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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: wawrzon on January 22, 2017, 02:04:40 PM
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The only experience worse than Linux on a desktop, is Linux on a laptop.
even though im pretty new to linux native, i have mostly ran it in vm as compiler environment tilllately, i cant agree with it. i was pretty surprised how useful and simple it may be even for creative tasks like multitrack audio recording or graphics. i consider it even more handy than windows i must admit. the problem is a choice of not overloaded distribution. for me it has been lubuntu so far.
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even though im pretty new to linux native, i have mostly ran it in vm as compiler environment tilllately, i cant agree with it. i was pretty surprised how useful and simple it may be even for creative tasks like multitrack audio recording or graphics. i consider it even more handy than windows i must admit. the problem is a choice of not overloaded distribution. for me it has been lubuntu so far.
Until something goes wrong. And it will.
The greatest tragedy in the opens source movement is it chose Linux.
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The only experience worse than Linux on a desktop, is Linux on a laptop.
I've been running Linux on my laptop since 2002. Its much faster and more stable than windows.
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The only experience worse than Linux on a desktop, is Linux on a laptop
Depends on the laptop. Some are better than others, and you can get surprisingly good performance for e-chatter work with a very cheap second hand laptop.
If you want to 3D game, I take your point.
I can't see raspberry pi users etc going for it though.
Except maybe to play games on 3D mobile devices? :)
Technically my laptop is a mobile device, but it isn't Pi sized and not much cheaper and it's OK to awful sometimes at 3D work. Not enough horses. It is however very easy to replace if stolen. Always a consideration with shiny shiny gear.
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Until something goes wrong. And it will.
The greatest tragedy in the opens source movement is it chose Linux.
My eldest son is 18 and has used nothing but GNU/Linux on laptops his entire life.
My 14yr old has used nothing but GNU/Linux her entire life.
My 8yr old has used nothing but GNU/Linux his entire life and he has autism.
My 5yr old has used nothing but GNU/Linux for her entire life.
None of them have ever had any problems that they can't fix themselves and they've never had any trouble doing anything they have ever needed to do.
Even my 3yr old uses only GNU/Linux and he has Down Syndrome.
You must not have the same levels of intellectual capacity as them.
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Until something goes wrong. And it will.
The greatest tragedy in the opens source movement is it chose Linux.
I've been running Linux since 2002. Something went wrong in 2006 and I got a kernel panic. Turns out it was hardware so I had to spend some $ to replace it. Haven't had anything go wrong since then.
Wife's windows 10 laptop hung coming out of suspend last week so I had to force it to cold boot. Daughters netbook got the forced upgrade from windows 7 to 10 and then took 28 minutes to boot. I bought her a 'new' laptop for $200 and stuck Linux on her old one and it boots in 28 seconds so now I have a spare in case I need it. I have one other running AROS.
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The greatest tragedy in the opens source movement is it chose Linux.
What is that supposed to mean?
"the open source movement", whatever you want to call it, did not chose Linux, it chose whatever people find interesting, useful and profitable. There are plenty of kernels and operating systems to pick from.
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Until something goes wrong. And it will.
wonder what would that be that should go wrong. i have set up countless different linux vms across different machines i am compiling aros with, and while i might not like this or that or have minor issues with some of them, i have not experienced any critical breakdown till now.
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What is that supposed to mean?
"the open source movement", whatever you want to call it, did not chose Linux, it chose whatever people find interesting, useful and profitable. There are plenty of kernels and operating systems to pick from.
It means what its says.
Countless man hours wasted on Linux for no good reason than "its free". Except its not. People's time isn't free. And lots of users have wasted countless hours to fix simple things in Linux. A CD ROM driver update for example broke PCLOS- "Really? Works here fine, YOU must be the problem"..boots up Windows to get online to find a fix, 1 week later. NO THANKS- life's too short.
Then there is Linux's "amateurishness" that leads to user frustration: I'm looking at my Mint 17.3 log in screen: It says stefceplinuxStefceplinux. Right under it there is a dialog box: It says in medium fonts"Login" underneath that a blinking cursor and in small fonts "Please enter your username". Now I won't tell you as a user what is wrong with that, I'll let you work it out. Let me say Linux's User-friendliness goes out the window from the very first login screen, in its "most user friendly" distro too. Its a joke.
It was "gonna go mainstream" after Vista. No, wait. That was gonna happen "after Win 8". No wait...now that 10 is stealing everyone's identity and sending to M$, its sure go mainstream any day now....
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It means what its says.
Countless man hours wasted on Linux for no good reason than "its free". Except its not. People's time isn't free. And lots of users have wasted countless hours to fix simple things in Linux. A CD ROM driver update for example broke PCLOS- "Really? Works here fine, YOU must be the problem"..boots up Windows to get online to find a fix, 1 week later. NO THANKS- life's too short.
Then there is Linux's "amateurishness" that leads to user frustration: I'm looking at my Mint 17.3 log in screen: It says stefceplinuxStefceplinux. Right under it there is a dialog box: It says in medium fonts"Login" underneath that a blinking cursor and in small fonts "Please enter your username". Now I won't tell you as a user what is wrong with that, I'll let you work it out. Let me say Linux's User-friendliness goes out the window from the very first login screen, in its "most user friendly" distro too. Its a joke.
It was "gonna go mainstream" after Vista. No, wait. That was gonna happen "after Win 8". No wait...now that 10 is stealing everyone's identity and sending to M$, its sure go mainstream any day now....
Enlighten those of us that don't have your astounding levels of technical competence and understanding, how is your name not displaying correctly on the Mint Display Manager the fault of Linux?
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I've been running Linux since 2002. Something went wrong in 2006 and I got a kernel panic. Turns out it was hardware so I had to spend some $ to replace it. Haven't had anything go wrong since then.
Wife's windows 10 laptop hung coming out of suspend last week so I had to force it to cold boot. Daughters netbook got the forced upgrade from windows 7 to 10 and then took 28 minutes to boot. I bought her a 'new' laptop for $200 and stuck Linux on her old one and it boots in 28 seconds so now I have a spare in case I need it. I have one other running AROS.
Meh. I'm running Win 10 on Core2Duo Thinkpad T500 I picked up in a recycle skip. Boots Win 10 in under 10 seconds. Yeah I splurged on a $35 SSD. Rock solid- and I can stream Foxtel fullscreen by simply downloading a 6 MB app. Linux- nope.
We can sit here all day sharing anecdotes...
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Enlighten those of us that don't have your astounding levels of technical competence and understanding, how is your name not displaying correctly on the Mint Display Manager the fault of Linux?
Knew it.
You DON"T get it.
My user name is correct....the issue is why the F is the dialog asking for my user name, when my username is written right there on the screen just above the Login dialog box, FFS?
So what does the user think when they see this? Well the word LOGIN inside a dialog box that has ones username above it intuitively means that user account is selected and it now wants the password, but NOOOOOOOOO, it actually wants my username. Again.
So what do users do at the login prompt when they see their username already written above the dialog box? They enter their password. Which appears on screen for all to see AND is then written in BIG Fonts on a new password dialog box
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Knew it.
You DON"T get it.
My user name is correct....the issue is why the F is the dialog asking for my user name, when my username is written right there on the screen just above the Login dialog box, FFS?
So what does the user think when they see this? Well the word LOGIN inside a dialog box that has ones username above it intuitively means that user account is selected and it now wants the password, but NOOOOOOOOO, it actually wants my username. Again.
So what do users do at the login prompt when they see their username already written above the dialog box? They enter their password. Which appears on screen for all to see AND is then written in BIG Fonts on a new password dialog box
I repeat, "why is that the fault of Linux"?
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It means what its says.
Countless man hours wasted on Linux for no good reason than "its free". Except its not. People's time isn't free.
Thats the #1 reason I switched to Linux. I was wasting so much time keeping windows updated and working. Linux has saved me so much time and frustration over the years by not breaking something every other update like Windows does, by not getting infected with malware despite not running as administrator. Just because one or two distros that try to be windows like have window like issues doesn't mean all of linux is like that. Or to put it simply just use with slackware already :)
A bit of time is spent by the rasbian maintainers taking debian and stripping it down to make it run efficiently on the Pi (one of the reasons I ruin slackware-arm on mine is its already efficient) so thats why I think a Amiga/AROS could find a fit in the Arm world as its already a lightweight OS.
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Wow. Pretty amazing that some of you complain on Linux. Sounds like basic problems with understanding how computer OS works. If you want convenience, poor stability, countless security holes and surveillance then buddy by all means go for Windows 10. Best choice ever for somebody who wants to be convenient.
Don't complain on Linux simply because you obviously don't understand basic differences in how it works vs Windows.
Just for your information Unix derivatives (OSX, Linux, Solaris and many others) run on majority of computers on this planet, especially the ones that are important for internet and industrial infrastructure.
Without Linux you would not have internet access, online gaming, your PS4 would not have OS, your forum would not work (so you can complain on Linux) etc.
I have around 17 different computers, SGI, Amiga, Laptops, Desktops, countless game consoles. None of them need windows to do their job.
I don't even understand your complains... so what you are upset with Linux because of what? It did not do something for you? You did not understand how to use simple terminal command which makes life easier? What was the problem? To install debian on computer that is not even specifically designed for it (HP workstation) takes 20min. Have done it just yesterday and I am writing this post from it.
Maybe instead of wasting your time on bitching you should get "Teach yourself Linux in 24h" from amazon and read it. It's not much of effort. Don't expect Unix based system to work the same way as your Windows. They are not the same. It's like jumping into Porsche 911 Turbo and expecting it to be as easy to drive as your Geo Metro.
Seriously. Don't complain. Try to learn. Or if you don't like it, just stick with your Geo Metro.
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Na. Not interested, I did HP UX, Solaris and Redhat for 10 years at work. But I'm a classic user. And use Win10 for everything else. :) Works flawlessly with all the software I brought from Win7-8.1-10.
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It means what its says.
Countless man hours wasted on Linux for no good reason than "its free". Except its not. People's time isn't free. And lots of users have wasted countless hours to fix simple things in Linux. A CD ROM driver update for example broke PCLOS- "Really? Works here fine, YOU must be the problem"..boots up Windows to get online to find a fix, 1 week later. NO THANKS- life's too short.
Then there is Linux's "amateurishness" that leads to user frustration: I'm looking at my Mint 17.3 log in screen: It says stefceplinuxStefceplinux. Right under it there is a dialog box: It says in medium fonts"Login" underneath that a blinking cursor and in small fonts "Please enter your username". Now I won't tell you as a user what is wrong with that, I'll let you work it out. Let me say Linux's User-friendliness goes out the window from the very first login screen, in its "most user friendly" distro too. Its a joke.
It was "gonna go mainstream" after Vista. No, wait. That was gonna happen "after Win 8". No wait...now that 10 is stealing everyone's identity and sending to M$, its sure go mainstream any day now....
Wtf are you on about? There is no such thing as a 'cd rom driver update'. That's all built into the kernel. Not to mention if a patch that the distribution put into their kernel broke your system, then that is entirely the fault of that particular distribution, NOT Linux. As nicholas said, "why is that the fault of Linux?"
Same for the login screen, use proper Gnome, not that bastardized thing that Mint uses. Even if you don't like Gnome-Shell, fallback mode is pretty damned close to old gnome 2.0 and is officially supported instead of some 'omg, changes, lets fork!' side project supported by Mint.
Sounds to me like you just need to use a GOOD distribution. Preferably one that doesn't try to do all the hand-holding (I've learned that while they have decent defaults, much like Windows, if you try to do anything cool with them, they break.)
Slackware was mentioned, though oddly through all my years of using Linux, I haven't really tried Slackware, but I have always ended up going back to Debian. I've tried all the derivatives of it, and they just end up sucking because they take from Debian, but then break the packaging compatibility so lose all of the great talent that goes into a proper Debian package.
It really sounds like all of your complaints are distribution specific. Also Arch is fantastic for learning, and you can keep the same install for years!
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Na. Not interested, I did HP UX, Solaris and Redhat for 10 years at work. But I'm a classic user. And use Win10 for everything else. :) Works flawlessly with all the software I brought from Win7-8.1-10.
Ha, reminds me of when I got Windows 7.... for the life of me I could not get Interstate '76 (from GoG) working on it, but it works wonderfully under wine.
Only time I ever boot into Windows 10 these days is to play the games that haven't been released for Linux. And even then the %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! thing gets in my way. Granted I won't blame Windows for Kasperky trying to block VorpX (a program to try to route GPU calls to a VR headset), but yet games locking up on it is a pretty common experience. Oddly enough Windows 10 itself rarely locks up, but the software on it certainly likes to freeze.
Granted, my favorite is the 'oh, well you normally schedule updates at this time, and you randomly can't sleep so you're working on something, but I'm going to reboot even if you're actively using your computer. Tough %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!!' situation. Though I think they may have fixed that in one of the updates, it did that to me even during the day when it was first released.
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Wtf are you on about? There is no such thing as a 'cd rom driver update'. That's all built into the kernel. Not to mention if a patch that the distribution put into their kernel broke your system, then that is entirely the fault of that particular distribution, NOT Linux. As nicholas said, "why is that the fault of Linux?"
Same for the login screen, use proper Gnome, not that bastardized thing that Mint uses. Even if you don't like Gnome-Shell, fallback mode is pretty damned close to old gnome 2.0 and is officially supported instead of some 'omg, changes, lets fork!' side project supported by Mint.
Sounds to me like you just need to use a GOOD distribution. Preferably one that doesn't try to do all the hand-holding (I've learned that while they have decent defaults, much like Windows, if you try to do anything cool with them, they break.)
Slackware was mentioned, though oddly through all my years of using Linux, I haven't really tried Slackware, but I have always ended up going back to Debian. I've tried all the derivatives of it, and they just end up sucking because they take from Debian, but then break the packaging compatibility so lose all of the great talent that goes into a proper Debian package.
It really sounds like all of your complaints are distribution specific. Also Arch is fantastic for learning, and you can keep the same install for years!
1. Stop blaming the user. Distro's without a simple login screen are not the users fault. Its not because "its not like Windows"- its because its a brain dead login screen. And this is on THE most popular distro...
2. An issue with the cd-rom driver support did in fact break PCLOS. Yes was fixed eventually by some friggin' around with the kernel.
But the kernel is not an operating system "Wow this kernel is so much better than the Windows kernel, or the Macos kernel"- Said no user ever. The kernel is nothing without the software that runs on top of it. Thats what makes the computer useful.
The operating system is how Linux gets judged by most end users. A well designed OS is intuitive to use without needing to read a tome about it. Never needed to read an Amiga manual, a Windows manual, or Macos manual or even a Beos manual-but I need to to use Linux? And that's my fault?
3. Just need a good distro, you say? But not Mint, the most popular? Not any derivatives of Debian- that would mean no Ubuntu, second most popular. Arch you say- a bit of digging tells me it will dump me into a cli by default, and then I have to manually:
create disk partitions
establish MRB or EFI
setup network with ( or without) DHCP, including wired or wireless network
optimize gcc for the specific CPU
config(and even compile) the main Linux kernel
config, compile, and install kernel modules
do some environmental essential configuration
setup X server and GUI
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And then all the other essentials. Luckily there is a beginners guide- 26 pages LONG.
Why would I want to waste time reading all that when Windows will do it in under 20 minutes?
4. Yes my complaints are distro-specific. ALL have their own specific issues. I've been there, done that. Life's too short to waste on fixing RST's on Linux.
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Seeing as Linux is apparently the cause of all your issues with the GNU OS use this instead. No Linux to be found in it whatsoever.
https://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/netboot-10/mini.iso
Or this. No Linux contained either.
https://www.osdyson.org/projects/dyson/wiki
Let us know how you get on without that terrible Linux causing all your problems.
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even though im pretty new to linux native, i have mostly ran it in vm as compiler environment tilllately, i cant agree with it. i was pretty surprised how useful and simple it may be even for creative tasks like multitrack audio recording or graphics. i consider it even more handy than windows i must admit. the problem is a choice of not overloaded distribution. for me it has been lubuntu so far.
My elderly parents used a first generation Intel iMac for ten years and when that finally packed up my uncle gave them his old core2duo laptop running Windows 7 and they could not use it without constantly ringing me for help.
I got sick of the calls so travelled the 100 mile round trip to their house and installed Lubuntu on it for them with Docky and a Snow Leopard icon theme to make it more visually familiar.
That was last summer and they've not called me for support once.
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My elderly parents used a first generation Intel iMac for ten years and when that finally packed up my uncle gave them his old core2duo laptop running Windows 7 and they could not use it without constantly ringing me for help.
I got sick of the calls so travelled the 100 mile round trip to their house and installed Lubuntu on it for them with Docky and a Snow Leopard icon theme to make it more visually familiar.
That was last summer and they've not called me for support once.
I guess ur saying that's because they can use it fully without need of telephony support and that you don't go over once a week to fix issues and problems so they don't have a need to call. Yeah?
You know you could have just enabled RDS.
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My parents run windows. Every month I had to clean some kind of malware. I finally got them to use firefox instead of IE so it goes about 6 months between malware infections now and thats mainly because my mother will still use bing/msn for something and one of the ads was smart enough to write their crap for more than one browser.
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So the choices were:
Remote Desktop and fix the pile of sh1te every single bloody day (usually more than once) or install Lubuntu and never ever have to fix it at all.
You would choose the first choice?
I'm not a masochist, nor am I a sadist wishing to inflict that level of pain upon pensioners.
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So the choices were:
Remote Desktop and fix the pile of sh1te every single bloody day (usually more than once) or install Lubuntu and never ever have to fix it at all.
You would choose the first choice?
I'm not a masochist, nor am I a sadist wishing to inflict that level of pain upon pensioners.
Nup probably not. If I was in your situation, in your shoes, I likely would have done exactly what you did do. If you are the one who generally ends up sorting their sh1te out. And that's an OS you are comfortable, familiar and happy with, why not.
The thread probably got way off topic, which is normal for OS flavour threads on AORG.
There are many things I would do if it was me; not in your situation. There are things you need and should do on all OSes when setting them up for normal "user" access. Living on an 8yo OS and Browser is asking for trouble generally. Logging in on as root/admin another thing that should never be done, but something that is generally done and accepted on Windows against install and support advice, which gets most people into trouble most of the time.
Anyway each to their own and viva la difference.
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1. Stop blaming the user. Distro's without a simple login screen are not the users fault. Its not because "its not like Windows"- its because its a brain dead login screen. And this is on THE most popular distro...
2. An issue with the cd-rom driver support did in fact break PCLOS. Yes was fixed eventually by some friggin' around with the kernel.
But the kernel is not an operating system "Wow this kernel is so much better than the Windows kernel, or the Macos kernel"- Said no user ever. The kernel is nothing without the software that runs on top of it. Thats what makes the computer useful.
The operating system is how Linux gets judged by most end users. A well designed OS is intuitive to use without needing to read a tome about it. Never needed to read an Amiga manual, a Windows manual, or Macos manual or even a Beos manual-but I need to to use Linux? And that's my fault?
3. Just need a good distro, you say? But not Mint, the most popular? Not any derivatives of Debian- that would mean no Ubuntu, second most popular. Arch you say- a bit of digging tells me it will dump me into a cli by default, and then I have to manually:
create disk partitions
establish MRB or EFI
setup network with ( or without) DHCP, including wired or wireless network
optimize gcc for the specific CPU
config(and even compile) the main Linux kernel
config, compile, and install kernel modules
do some environmental essential configuration
setup X server and GUI
…
And then all the other essentials. Luckily there is a beginners guide- 26 pages LONG.
Why would I want to waste time reading all that when Windows will do it in under 20 minutes?
4. Yes my complaints are distro-specific. ALL have their own specific issues. I've been there, done that. Life's too short to waste on fixing RST's on Linux.
1. No where did I blame the user, I specifically was saying the distro. The only blame on the user in this case is choosing a distribution that is a fork of a fork.
2. While the point still remains, distributions maintain their own patches in the kernel. very few people just take the source off of kernel.org and compile it on their own. I would occasionally back in the day, but haven't had to do that for 15+ years...
3. Just use Debian. Not a fork / derivative. Install Debian Jessie, you can choose whatever major desktop at install time, and you can enable backports if you need newer video drivers.
Arch is very much a "build your own system", but once it is built, runs forever. Only reason mine finally died was because my hard drive decided to start clicking in the middle of the night, and I had that install updated from about 6 years of use.
I can get a full Arch install with desktop in 20-30 min, depending on download speeds, and it will stay running forever. Windows... hell I am already considering re-installing mine because some random software doesn't uninstall itself correctly.
4. All software has bugs. Just depends if said bugs are the kind where you want to rip the sisk out and stomp on it or not. Windows has done terrible things to me in the past and present to make me not want to use it for anything serious. Windows 10 will spontaneously teboot because of forced updates. They took away the "wait another hour" option.
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I was just thinking...
It's kind of funny that it was mentioned that Linux Mint is the most popular distribution.
Chronology went something like this;
Debian=OMG hard to install, old gnome in stable release! >
Ubuntu=Goal, to bring out a set release every 6 months of Debian Unstable, and keep Gnome current for desktop usage... (server edition using same Debian installer, because Debian reallyi wasn't hard to install, just for a long time was curses based, so had bad rep. Strangely enough, Ubuntu server install still uses the curses based installer, rather than the gtk based one)
Then Gnome-shell was progressing and "OMG, we don't like this. We'll create our own clone and call it Unity!" But of course that's pretty much %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!tier than Gnome-shell, there is a reason no other distro adopted it.
Then came Mint... which then forked Gnome-shell to make Mate or Cinnamon (for some reason I can never remember which is the gtk2 based straight fork of Gnome2 or which one is basically GTK3+some gnome-shell stuff, but with gnome2's style of interface)
So Debian > Ubuntu > Mint. Problem is that Mint (with the exception of their poorly maintained Debian Edition) is based off of Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has, much like PCLOS it seems, makes terrible kernel patches that causes issues.
I'd installed Ubuntu as a 'friendlier' Linux on a friends laptop and it literally ate the extended partitions that it was installed on. I thought for sure that the drive was dying (it was kicking up a ton of I/O errors, when I mounted it with a liveCD). I ended up formatting the corrupted partitions and it was 100% fine after that. Installed Debian and he's perfectly happy with it.
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I was just thinking...
It's kind of funny that it was mentioned that Linux Mint is the most popular distribution.
Chronology went something like this;
Debian=OMG hard to install, old gnome in stable release! >
Ubuntu=Goal, to bring out a set release every 6 months of Debian Unstable, and keep Gnome current for desktop usage... (server edition using same Debian installer, because Debian reallyi wasn't hard to install, just for a long time was curses based, so had bad rep. Strangely enough, Ubuntu server install still uses the curses based installer, rather than the gtk based one)
Then Gnome-shell was progressing and "OMG, we don't like this. We'll create our own clone and call it Unity!" But of course that's pretty much %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!tier than Gnome-shell, there is a reason no other distro adopted it.
Then came Mint... which then forked Gnome-shell to make Mate or Cinnamon (for some reason I can never remember which is the gtk2 based straight fork of Gnome2 or which one is basically GTK3+some gnome-shell stuff, but with gnome2's style of interface)
So Debian > Ubuntu > Mint. Problem is that Mint (with the exception of their poorly maintained Debian Edition) is based off of Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has, much like PCLOS it seems, makes terrible kernel patches that causes issues.
I'd installed Ubuntu as a 'friendlier' Linux on a friends laptop and it literally ate the extended partitions that it was installed on. I thought for sure that the drive was dying (it was kicking up a ton of I/O errors, when I mounted it with a liveCD). I ended up formatting the corrupted partitions and it was 100% fine after that. Installed Debian and he's perfectly happy with it.
You really should try the Liquorix kernel on any Debian derivative that is used as a desktop/workstation.
https://liquorix.net/
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Hmm, I wonder how many of those tweaks are in the SteamOS kernel.
Not sure how much they change over the stock Debian one. I had thought liquorix as a distribution had died long ago.
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Hmm, I wonder how many of those tweaks are in the SteamOS kernel.
Not sure how much they change over the stock Debian one. I had thought liquorix as a distribution had died long ago.
Liquorix has never been a distribution. It's a debian repo with builds of the Zen Kernel for easy updates.
Are you thinking of Lycoris Linux from the early naughties? They are unrelated projects.
This kernel build is much more noticeably responsive than the SteamOS kernel on the same hardware. It's kinda BeOS/Amiga style responsiveness.
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Arch is very much a "build your own system", but once it is built, runs forever. Only reason mine finally died was because my hard drive decided to start clicking in the middle of the night, and I had that install updated from about 6 years of use.
I can get a full Arch install with desktop in 20-30 min, depending on download speeds, and it will stay running forever. Windows... hell I am already considering re-installing mine because some random software doesn't uninstall itself correctly.
Only downside with Arch is the rolling version, there isn't any stop and snapshot a 'stable' version. Thats why I went Slackware. on all my 'production' boxen I run the stable snapshot version (14.2 currently) and just slackupg update for any security/bug fixes. Arch is like always running slackware-current and always getting the latest software no matter what reason.
Either are still more stable than windows though. Any either one you still have to tell it when to update not the other way around like windows.
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Liquorix has never been a distribution. It's a debian repo with builds of the Zen Kernel for easy updates.
Are you thinking of Lycoris Linux from the early naughties? They are unrelated projects.
This kernel build is much more noticeably responsive than the SteamOS kernel on the same hardware. It's kinda BeOS/Amiga style responsiveness.
You're right, I was thinking of Lycoris. interesting, I will have to give that a try, i genereally just stick to sid on my desktop and stesting on my more work related desktop systems.
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You're right, I was thinking of Lycoris. interesting, I will have to give that a try, i genereally just stick to sid on my desktop and stesting on my more work related desktop systems.
The repo is supposed to be for sid so you are in luck, but it works on any debian version or derivative tbh. It only contains the kernel image and the headers. My kids and missus run it on their machines which range from core2duo with igp to sandybridge with nvidia pascal gpu and core m3 ultrabooks. All of them run a flavour of Mint.
I have it on a little Quadcore Atom Transformer T100 from ASUS with only 2GB RAM and a poxy IGP running GNUStep and the difference is like night and day.
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Only downside with Arch is the rolling version, there isn't any stop and snapshot a 'stable' version. Thats why I went Slackware. on all my 'production' boxen I run the stable snapshot version (14.2 currently) and just slackupg update for any security/bug fixes. Arch is like always running slackware-current and always getting the latest software no matter what reason.
Either are still more stable than windows though. Any either one you still have to tell it when to update not the other way around like windows.
With Arch being a derivative of Slackware you might be able to get away with installing this package. Saves on compiling Zen yourself. :)
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-lqx/
Yes I'm on a pimping spree, can't praise Liquorix / Zen enough. :)
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With Arch being a derivative of Slackware you might be able to get away with installing this package. Saves on compiling Zen yourself. :)
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-lqx/
Yes I'm on a pimping spree, can't praise Liquorix / Zen enough. :)
Pimp away! installed the liquorix kernel and it does seem a bit snappier! Oddly it feels much like it did when I first installed my Debian system. I think I probably went install crazy and have set stuff up that I don't really use, and should purge it out, but this reminds me of when I first got an SSD. nice and snappy. On the other hand my non-SSD installed Arch feels snappier than my Debian install does currently (seriously need to spend some time to figure out why, or just dump package list, re-install, then install what I actually use...)
Anyhow, thanks for the heads up, this is working quite nicely.
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Pimp away! installed the liquorix kernel and it does seem a bit snappier! Oddly it feels much like it did when I first installed my Debian system. I think I probably went install crazy and have set stuff up that I don't really use, and should purge it out, but this reminds me of when I first got an SSD. nice and snappy. On the other hand my non-SSD installed Arch feels snappier than my Debian install does currently (seriously need to spend some time to figure out why, or just dump package list, re-install, then install what I actually use...)
Anyhow, thanks for the heads up, this is working quite nicely.
Glad you found it useful! :)
It's been the first thing I install on any newly installed system for many years now.
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With Arch being a derivative of Slackware you might be able to get away with installing this package. Saves on compiling Zen yourself. :)
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-lqx/
Yes I'm on a pimping spree, can't praise Liquorix / Zen enough. :)
Don't need to, I run Slackware :)
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Don't need to, I run Slackware :)
Well that's why I mentioned it.
There are no prebuilt Slackware packages of it AFAIK but the Arch package might work on Slackware.
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Linux for idiots: https://www.fosshub.com/Remix-OS.html/Remix_OS_for_PC_Android_M_64bit_B2016112101.zip
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My parents run windows. Every month I had to clean some kind of malware. I finally got them to use firefox instead of IE so it goes about 6 months between malware infections now and thats mainly because my mother will still use bing/msn for something and one of the ads was smart enough to write their crap for more than one browser.
My mum used to be exactly the same, I ended up buying her a chromebox as all she was doing was browsing the web anyway. thats something like 4 years without incident now.
Personally I made the shift to Linux in 2009 after one too many blue screens from Vista and its worked out quicker and more reliable for me.
I'm glad... because now I spend most of my workdays upgrading or troubleshooting windows servers and desktops so its a breath of fresh air when I get home! :laughing:
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Did a fresh installation of Windows 7 sp1 last night. Ran windows update at 10pm-ish and the were 207 critical updates. Left it running over night for 12 hours and it's still running now currently at update 174.
I have 47Mb fibre the machine has 2GB RAM, a 2GHz Core2Duo and an SSD so it's definitely Windows that's at fault.
Upgraded my son's laptop from Mint 18 to 18.1 at the same time and it took less than 10 minutes to download and install the entire operating system and upgrade every application he has installed.
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Oh and neither the WiFi Chipset nor the Ethernet had drivers from a fresh install.
Very amateur. Not impressed.
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Windows is awesome.
https://youtu.be/Zu0l-Ac7fTU
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Linux sucks.
https://youtu.be/WipM3SAYqK4