Post by: MaximvsPayne on March 07, 2011, 05:36:47 PM
London, 7th March 2011
Penguins anyone?
As part of the pre-qualification process Varisys have created a minimal PowerPC Linux kernel to ensure that all components and subsystems are working as expected on the revision 2 Nemo motherboard. Understandably, Linux driver support is far more extensive and by creating a minimal Linux system Varisys can demonstrate that the board they deliver to the AmigaOS4 developers it fit for purpose. As an extension of this testing process we have commissioned Varisys to create a desktop Linux port complete with GUI. Although we realize that many Amigans will exclusively run AmigaOS4 we thought that giving the AmigaOne X1000 a working Linux option would add extra value and allow users to run software and utilities that may not be currently available under AmigaOS4.
"It don't matter if you're black or white"
We have been working very closely with AmigaKit to produce "AmigaOne X1000" and "Boing Ball" branded peripherals and merchandise to compliment the excellent A1-X1000 tower case design created by Andrew Korn. In July 2010, AmigaKit began selling a matching black A1-X1000 PS/2 & USB compatible "Boing Ball" keyboard and mouse. These peripherals can be used with the SAM range as well as PC or Mac computers and are also compatible with Classic Amigas by using Cocolino, Micromys, Subway USB or Deneb USB devices. The original A1-X1000 design was based around a black tower case but, after receiving many requests from customers, we decided to also produce a white version with matching keyboard and mouse combination. AmigaKit began stocking the white mouse at the end of 2010 and hope to be in a position to offer customers and Amiga resellers a choice of the black or white "Boing Ball" tower case in the near future.
A-EON Technology CVBA
Post by: Piru on March 07, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
In fact there isn't much news about X1000 itself here at all. X1000 boards being delivered to the beta testers would be real news. Well there's still 3 weeks left of Q1.
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 07, 2011, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: Piru;620217
I can't help but to get a déjà vu feeling from all this: It sounds like AmigaOne SE all over again.
In fact there isn't much news about X1000 itself here at all. Beta boards being delivered to the beta testers would be real news.
+1
Post by: wawrzon on March 07, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
Post by: jorkany on March 07, 2011, 08:15:57 PM
Post by: wawrzon on March 07, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
Post by: Zac67 on March 07, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
Don't get me wrong: I'm wishing them the best of success with the X1000 but unfortunately I'm not near fanatic enough to shell out that much for a machine of that caliber. Just wishing there'd be more 'productive' news...
Linux otoh is good news - as it appears you get more options for maxing out the hardware (for its level that is). If there were Xen for PPC you'd even be able to run both OSes side-by-side.
Post by: TheGoose on March 07, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
What!?#!#3
Cases!? We don't need no stinkin cases, we make our own cases.
Lock all phasers on X1000, launch all torpedo bays on my mark!
Post by: Norway on March 07, 2011, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620218
+1
OMG. Did you just do the +1 ??
Post by: klx300r on March 07, 2011, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: TheGoose;620234
"branded peripherals and merchandise to compliment the excellent A1-X1000 tower case design"
What!?#!#3
Cases!? We don't need no stinkin cases, we make our own cases....
no really..amigans modding stuff you say:rolleyes:...hehe don't care much for black case but the white one I just might get and 'customize' it to my style:)
Post by: Norway on March 07, 2011, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620218
+1
IF you did the +1. Can i use the -1 then?
Post by: klx300r on March 07, 2011, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: Piru;620217
I can't help but to get a déjà vu feeling from all this: It sounds like AmigaOne SE all over again.
In fact there isn't much news about X1000 itself here at all. X1000 boards being delivered to the beta testers would be real news. Well there's still 3 weeks left of Q1.
man I love you Piru ! consistent as ever:)
Post by: Dragster on March 07, 2011, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620218
+1
+2...
Post by: Norway on March 07, 2011, 09:54:37 PM
Post by: commodorejohn on March 07, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Norway;620236
OMG. Did you just do the +1 ??Would you prefer agreement++; instead?
Post by: SysAdmin on March 07, 2011, 10:05:42 PM
Post by: itix on March 07, 2011, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: Norway;620243
"Remaining revision 2 boards will reach beta testers during Q2..." so thats anywhere between 25-86 days away. So if all goes to plan the Amiga X1000 will be available to buy May/June. Pg. 17 of AF.
Well, no. You didnt count beta testing.
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on March 07, 2011, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: itix;620246
Well, no. You didnt count beta testing.
You're forgetting that they have no trouble in selling hardware with OS that doesn't provide all of the needed drivers and functionality(Sam460). So, it could be on sale by that time... at least they'll have a bigger beta testing team that way:)
Post by: actung_bab on March 07, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
do this step with linux work with base know os , that way can discount any glitchs that
chould be software related, hopefully the beta testers will be informed whats going on
and when they can expect there boards . am not a beta tester
exciting times as for negtive cooments comparing to a1 boards never owned one
but basically l owned phase 5 blizzrad card and whould brought a A1 mb
but the stop making them when had money actually micor bard looked my thing
am sure the Mr redhouse behind the baords did his best no point going on about errors made , l actually read where said it whould been easier to give the people ordered them
a good amount money and just leave it of course he honorned his commiment and produced the boards a good amount l belive and they alot in use today
Know to the x1000 amiga sure Mr dicksion and his team will do there best and be
great design give them time though , there not apple or microsoft
and microsoft desined a flawed design in xbox 360 and took many years to correct
so dont theink any design is perfect , but also sure x1000 will work fine
ditto my ps3 60gb has also after many years come to show faults with its orginal design
also many amiga models had mb revsions and they had way bigger desisng team
well l assume so l did watch dave hyne interview recently very intresting
end the day people are not perfect none of us
But am really excited about this news and hope to see maybe be x1000 owner
One day maybe run my Cnet bbs software on one even have freind design a card or software to run on xena chip , after all he managed to program for usb with no previous exp for commerical company his company is contracted to work for.
aprently the prsevious inhouse peop-le been trying fo months and he did in 2 weeks
he uses pic programer at present and has done many led desisns and circuit baord
designs himeslf so power of one person dont discount.
Post by: haywirepc on March 07, 2011, 10:48:11 PM
First of all, the specs were shit compared to x86/amd pcs when they announced the specs how long ago? Now its a year behind their announced release date and they have linux running on it, but not os4?
I can buy a 3ghz dual core dell on ebay for 50$ thats as fast as this thing, faster maybe because it can use both cores.
2500-3000$ for this thing is ludicrous, and apparently by the time they actually release it I can get a 12 core intel/amd machine for the same price, running linux of course, with all drivers, and all 12 processor cores working.
All of this, plus the "timberwolf" port of firefox is no where near completion, meaning you can't even view youtube (or many other modern sites) on os4. Wait, you want us to pay 3,000$ for a computer that can't do what my phone can do?
NG amiga? NG amiga is a nice idea, if its affordable.
Make mine AROS or MorphOS. At least those platforms are affordable (And both better to if you ask me, even if you take the cost of hardware out of the equation)
Steven
Post by: amiga92570 on March 07, 2011, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Piru;620217
I can't help but to get a déjà vu feeling from all this: It sounds like AmigaOne SE all over again.
In fact there isn't much news about X1000 itself here at all. X1000 boards being delivered to the beta testers would be real news. Well there's still 3 weeks left of Q1.
Oh come now Piru, You know deep inside everyone wants a $2000.00 PC that needs Linux to fully utilize the Hardware. I mean, Yeah you can buy a Intel quad core PC for $400.00 and do the same thing but it doesn't have the Boing Ball Logo. hahahha
Post by: persia on March 07, 2011, 11:26:45 PM
Post by: NovaCoder on March 07, 2011, 11:41:28 PM
I still hope that it will be available for retail one day but the longer it drags on, then the less likely it will actually happen. This venture was always a little 'out there' but it still would have been nice to see it delivered on-time, on-budget and fully supported.
Post by: actung_bab on March 08, 2011, 01:15:11 AM
And the whole point the X1000 Like mr dicksion said was for him to have a modern amiga
after that point its up to inviduals to choose what they want
bit silly comparing a old mb of ebay fir start its second hand l got old pcs here too
but if l want to run Amiga os 4.1 l need to buy a combaible mb just like l have to if
want mac os x
Post by: actung_bab on March 08, 2011, 01:22:32 AM
Quote from: amiga92570;620253
Oh come now Piru, You know deep inside everyone wants a $2000.00 PC that needs Linux to fully utilize the Hardware. I mean, Yeah you can buy a Intel quad core PC for $400.00 and do the same thing but it doesn't have the Boing Ball Logo. hahahhaTo be honest with alot people whould never support os4 anyway no matter what
you gave them just human nature , remmber back in the day people complaining
they didnt have wb 3 hd but did nothing for themselves to change that.
I have mac mini G4 l brought it just so l chould run Morphos it was cheap option with 400 nz then first one broke down (broken mb ) cost 300 nz plus not worth it
brought another one that was 300.00 nz so total so far nz 600.00 thats along way
to new sam 460 mb , am afraid nothing like buying new machine.
I found in past even with pcs , which never owned new one, always made them from new parts mind you. who wants other people probs.
so Know got mac ppc L still want os 4.1 machine WHY because l want run my old cnet
4 bbs software , and l know it run because l ran on my blizzrd ppc card b4 sold it
and to be honest with you l dont really like mac linux or windows thats
why want a amiga modern machine running os 4.1 l prefer to spend nz 2000 if thats what it takes
and done this in past on my blizzrd ppc 240mhz scsi bvison combo and that was in 1996 prices
so my choice to me that makes more sence to spend big and get what you want than dick
around buy this and that and end up not happy because you know in heart x1000 a better
machine in long term
so to me l have least put my money where my mouth is l dont compain about blizzard ppc
card loved that board okay some things werent done but l glad brought it hell yes
To me still remember fondly reading up about the ppc and amiga was exciting days chouldint wait
for come out seems like year maybe more , but really commited your wait.
The ps3 was the same for me it was surposed to be world wide release yet here nz we had wait
months while americans got it first , when first got was dispointed with to be sure mind you felt
that way about my 1200 too , things are always sorted hyped in your own mind too.
I just made the most what l did enjoy about this machine media blu ray etc uploading pics
my son to the net via facebook so user friendly comapred to pc Play tv etc psp great
but chould look ps3 or esp psp as bit of lemon games wise anyway esp psp but l amde use what
l can do with not complaining winging hehe
okay l had my rant for month promise
oh ps thank you to people run this site for years of supporting amiga
hehe
Post by: Tension on March 08, 2011, 01:25:55 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;620276
To be honest with alot people whould never support os4 anyway no matter what
you gave them just human nature , remmber back in the day people complaining
they didnt have wb 3 hd but did nothing for themselves to change that.
I have mac mini G4 l brought it just so l chould run Morphos it was cheap option with 400 nz then first one broke down (broken mb ) cost 300 nz plus not worth it
brought another one that was 300.00 nz so total so far nz 600.00 thats along way
to new sam 460 mb , am afraid nothing like buying new machine.
I found in past even with pcs , which never owned new one, always made them from new parts mind you. who wants other people probs.
so Know got mac ppc L still want os 4.1 machine WHY because l want run my old cnet
4 bbs software , and l know it run because l ran on my blizzrd ppc card b4 sold it
hehe
Pardon?
Post by: Kesa on March 08, 2011, 01:35:15 AM
Post by: Duce on March 08, 2011, 01:35:49 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;620249
Great to have news sounds
One day maybe run my Cnet bbs software on one even
Hope the x1000 sees the light of day.
For the record, CNet BBS SW runs pretty good on the PPC/OS 4.1 machines.
Now if I could just get ahold of the author to SELL me a copy, I'd be happy.
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 08, 2011, 01:48:00 AM
Yaaayy!!!!
What's this, then? wasting no time debating the merits of X1000? :laughing:
Post by: SysAdmin on March 08, 2011, 01:49:56 AM
I don't think English is his native language.
Post by: actung_bab on March 08, 2011, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Duce;620280
Hope the x1000 sees the light of day.yeah thanks buddy well good news sorta just been on bbs that runs amiga cnet 5 510.b
For the record, CNet BBS SW runs pretty good on the PPC/OS 4.1 machines.
Now if I could just get ahold of the author to SELL me a copy, I'd be happy.
l belive and dl the archive of his bbs hasint serial but l leave message there about buying
a licenece he not the owner though or message me and l email you the file
http://telnet://dxrw.org
yes l ran cnet 4.60 on amiga 0s 4.0 classic l think been so long
thanks for info though, l know was running cnet 5 on a A1 machine as used to ring
it ran really quick too.
He has said the guy that owns cnet bbs software is hard to get hold dont know why
just google cnet amiga but like said if enough ask about licence we more likey to do
through that bbs site hes ruuning on his bbs on win uae
Post by: actung_bab on March 08, 2011, 01:53:17 AM
Quote from: Kesa;620279
@Actung bab. The last few posts you have made in this thread have been hard to understand as your typing is really bad. It's almost unreadable. So maybe you could proof read your posts so they are more readable? :)sorry will try l get carried away english is my only language too .
Post by: Iggy on March 08, 2011, 03:43:16 AM
Are the developers actively working on these ports?
Post by: Kesa on March 08, 2011, 05:01:12 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;620287
sorry will try l get carried away english is my only language too .
'Sorry. I will try. Sometimes i get carried away. How embarrasing because English is my first language too!'
D Minus. Detention. See you later... :rtfm:
Post by: dammy on March 08, 2011, 06:12:09 AM
Quote from: Transition;620245
Which will ship first a white iPhone 4 or a white X1000?
Throw in A500x as another possibility.
Post by: Framiga on March 08, 2011, 06:33:25 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;620247
You're forgetting that they have no trouble in selling hardware with OS that doesn't provide all of the needed drivers and functionality(Sam460). So, it could be on sale by that time... at least they'll have a bigger beta testing team that way:)
They who?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 08, 2011, 07:27:21 AM
Quote from: persia;620257
Trevor says everything is going to plan
Easy to say, when they regularly postpone the plan one quarter at a quarterly basis... :lol:
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so expect a June 2010 release.
Why would anyone expect that?
:rolleyes:
Post by: AmigaNG on March 08, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
Plus why do people think OS4 is not ready for it yet, did no one go to any amiga show this year and watch all them vids of the OS4 running on the system. ok it still maybe alpha stage but it was up and running.
Post by: MaximvsPayne on March 08, 2011, 07:53:22 AM
![]("http://www.a-eon.com/pics/X1000_Case2_thumb.jpg")
im so stupid, i always forget that html isnt working here.. tztz
Post by: gertsy on March 08, 2011, 10:13:59 AM
Post by: DAX on March 08, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
If anyone would like further news and clarifications on this newsitem, you can have some HERE (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33322&forum=15&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0).
Post by: zylesea on March 08, 2011, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: actung_bab;620276
To be honest with alot people whould never support os4 anyway no matter what
you gave them just human nature , remmber back in the day people complaining
they didnt have wb 3 hd but did nothing for themselves to change that.
I have mac mini G4 l brought it just so l chould run Morphos it was cheap option with 400 nz then first one broke down (broken mb ) cost 300 nz plus not worth it
brought another one that was 300.00 nz so total so far nz 600.00 thats along way
to new sam 460 mb , am afraid nothing like buying new machine.
I found in past even with pcs , which never owned new one, always made them from new parts mind you. who wants other people probs.
That's bad luck, your mini broke. But to my knowledge yours is the first report of some fellow from the Amiga scene about a broken Mac mini G4. All in all they seem to be rather reliable. Mine runs fine at least - and it's already longer in my possession than the warranty would have lasted if it would have been new on purchase.
Post by: jorkany on March 08, 2011, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: AmigaNG;620318
This is good news, linux on x1000, its a shame its another delay, but really people do you have bring up price and every other fault on each x1000 thread.Then where is it? They just pushed the beta testers back to Q2. If OS4 is ready and the board is ready, why is testing being done just now using Linux? That should have been done months - heck almost a year - ago.
Plus why do people think OS4 is not ready for it yet, did no one go to any amiga show this year and watch all them vids of the OS4 running on the system. ok it still maybe alpha stage but it was up and running.
Look, you've got to admit something ain't right. This product was due before Summer 2010, then it became beta testers before end of 2010, then it became beta testers in Q1 2011, now it's Q2 2011. Surely you can spot the trend here?
Post by: Plaz on March 08, 2011, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: gertsy;620338
Black? white? What about A500 beige...?
Put the white one in the sun a while... it'll turn. :)
Plaz
Post by: DAX on March 08, 2011, 02:33:12 PM
It was explained at www.amigaworld.net (http://www.amigaworld.net) that it was a needed step to give the green light to production of a significantly higher amount of boards (compared to the very limited Rev.1 batch).
AmigaOS might be ready for testing, but not to check out if the motherboard is working 100% and not flawed itself (you don't want to use an OS in need of testing for that).
Hence the need for a finalized OS suite to check things out and give the green light.
Post by: jorkany on March 08, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: DAX;620372
@Jorkany
It was explained at www.amigaworld.net (http://www.amigaworld.net) that it was a needed step to give the green light to production of a significantly higher amount of boards (compared to the very limited Rev.1 batch).
Could you link to where someone from A-eon or Hyperion said that?
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AmigaOS might be ready for testing, but not to check out if the motherboard is working 100% and not flawed itself (you don't want to use an OS in need of testing for that).
Hence the need for a finalized OS suite to check things out and give the green light.
And of course the logical time to do this is after missing several stated release dates and just before ostensibly sending the first boards to the paid beta testers.
So what's been going on the past year or so as these release dates keep slipping? Just crappy management?
Post by: DAX on March 08, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
The presence of a rev.2 motherboard clearly is a sign that the work done last year on Rev.1 led to a revision.
Problems occur.
You seem to care a lot for this, as if you had your money ready and the delay is frustrating you.
If that is not the case, don't waste time and energy for the X1000, I'm sure you have better things to do.
Post by: Tension on March 08, 2011, 04:05:28 PM
Quote from: DAX;620381
@Jorkany
The presence of a rev.2 motherboard clearly is a sign that the work done last year on Rev.1 led to a revision.
Problems occur.
You seem to care a lot for this, as if you had your money ready and the delay is frustrating you.
If that is not the case, don't waste time and energy for the X1000, I'm sure you have better things to do.
Or maybe it's what CBM would call a 'CR' model.
Post by: itix on March 08, 2011, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: DAX;620372
@Jorkany
It was explained at www.amigaworld.net (http://www.amigaworld.net) that it was a needed step to give the green light to production of a significantly higher amount of boards (compared to the very limited Rev.1 batch).
AmigaOS might be ready for testing, but not to check out if the motherboard is working 100% and not flawed itself (you don't want to use an OS in need of testing for that).
Hence the need for a finalized OS suite to check things out and give the green light.
Hmm... why would the motherboard be flawed? According to A-eon and Hyperion almost everything was already working in May 2010 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=nocomments&order=0&item_id=5453):
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You may have read in various interviews that AmigaOS 4.1 has been booting to Workbench on the AmigaOne X1000 hardware for quite some time. We can also confirm that additional Nemo prototypes have been supplied to several OS4 developers to allow them to complete the necessary onboard hardware drivers (SATA, Ethernet and HD sound, USB is already mostly working). Meanwhile a revision 2 version of the Nemo motherboard is being finalised and to ensure we have the widest possible testing we are making 100 Rev 2 motherboards available to Beta testers under a special discount program.
Another update in 21st July (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5558) they are saying the design was finalized and OS4 running stably:
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We are pleased to announce that we have finalised the design of the revision 2 "Nemo" motherboard. Following an extensive testing programme, as well as implementing a number of minor hardware fixes, we have opted to specify an upgrade to the "Xena" XMOS subsystem to provide greater functionality and performance.
The revision 2 standard will be the version shipping under the AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Programme. With the design finalised, Hyperion Entertainment will soon be sending out the Beta Test information pack to everyone who registered their interest in joining the AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test programme.
In other good news, the Hyperion Entertainment software developers have made excellent progress since the AmigaOne X1000's public debut at the Vintage Computer Festival in June, and AmigaOS4 is now running stably at the fastest CPU speeds.
Since this board revision was finalized long ago and OS4 was already running stable we can conclude Linux was not ported to test the hardware ;-)
Post by: vox on March 08, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: MaximvsPayne;620200
(the original post is from amigaworld.net and not from me! but i think these news are also interesting for the users of amiga.org)
London, 7th March 2011
Penguins anyone?
As part of the pre-qualification process Varisys have created a minimal PowerPC Linux kernel to ensure that all components and subsystems are working as expected on the revision 2 Nemo motherboard. Understandably, Linux driver support is far more extensive and by creating a minimal Linux system Varisys can demonstrate that the board they deliver to the AmigaOS4 developers it fit for purpose. As an extension of this testing process we have commissioned Varisys to create a desktop Linux port complete with GUI. Although we realize that many Amigans will exclusively run AmigaOS4 we thought that giving the AmigaOne X1000 a working Linux option would add extra value and allow users to run software and utilities that may not be currently available under AmigaOS4.
"It don't matter if you're black or white"
We have been working very closely with AmigaKit to produce "AmigaOne X1000" and "Boing Ball" branded peripherals and merchandise to compliment the excellent A1-X1000 tower case design created by Andrew Korn. In July 2010, AmigaKit began selling a matching black A1-X1000 PS/2 & USB compatible "Boing Ball" keyboard and mouse. These peripherals can be used with the SAM range as well as PC or Mac computers and are also compatible with Classic Amigas by using Cocolino, Micromys, Subway USB or Deneb USB devices. The original A1-X1000 design was based around a black tower case but, after receiving many requests from customers, we decided to also produce a white version with matching keyboard and mouse combination. AmigaKit began stocking the white mouse at the end of 2010 and hope to be in a position to offer customers and Amiga resellers a choice of the black or white "Boing Ball" tower case in the near future.
A-EON Technology CVBA
If it was Yellow Dog Linux, would rocks. This is just a start, and yes, such machine should use Linux PPC as OpenOffice and Timberwolf are not anywhere near completition for OS 4.
Its nice to know there will be white skinned X1000, however, this really all sounds irrelevant to beta testing and OS4 for X1000 progress
Post by: Iggy on March 08, 2011, 07:03:18 PM
Also, does anyone know where A-eon sourced the PA6T processors used in the X1000? There have been conflicting statements made about this.
Varisys, the designer of the X1000, has removed all mention of the PA6T from their website (including the board they made with that processor).
How does Trevor intend to continue to build a board based on a processor that has a limited future?
Post by: jorkany on March 08, 2011, 07:14:03 PM
Quote from: Iggy;620405
Again, as I asked earlier, has there been some disruption in OS4 development (specifically for the X1000 and SAM460)?
Also, does anyone know where A-eon sourced the PA6T processors used in the X1000? There have been conflicting statements made about this.
Varisys, the designer of the X1000, has removed all mention of the PA6T from their website (including the board they made with that processor).
How does Trevor intend to continue to build a board based on a processor that has a limited future?
In one of the news items on the A-eon site (due to the crappy design of that site news items cannot be linked) it was explained that Varisys had an existing relationship with PA Semi, and they leveraged that to source the processors. It does not say what the actual source was however.
I've also read, either on a forum or an interview, that the followup to the X1000 isn't necessarily going to use PA6T. At the rate things are going that probably won't be this decade.
Post by: Norway on March 08, 2011, 07:16:54 PM
Quote from: Iggy;620405
Again, as I asked earlier, has there been some disruption in OS4 development (specifically for the X1000 and SAM460)?
Also, does anyone know where A-eon sourced the PA6T processors used in the X1000? There have been conflicting statements made about this.
Varisys, the designer of the X1000, has removed all mention of the PA6T from their website (including the board they made with that processor).
How does Trevor intend to continue to build a board based on a processor that has a limited future?
The PA6T CPU paves the way for the introduction of SMP with AmigaOS4.x. Also check out the new multi-core CPUs being developed by Freescale, in particular the 64-bit dual core, 2.2 GHz P5020 and the 8-core, 1.5GHz P4080.
A-EON Technology CVBA
Post by: DAX on March 08, 2011, 07:33:06 PM
It remains to be seen if what Varisys is building now, it's actually rev 2 or a "rev 2.5".
At AmiWest -October 2010- a rev3 mobo was mentioned but then they went hush hush.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the "finalized" rev-"2" board mentioned earlier, wasn't so finalized ending up in another revision.
I'm sure fine details about this will be divulged once there will be no more secrecy about the project.
Also consider they probably have a clause on the contract against defective boards, it is probably the Varisys guys that want a "proof" that what they will be building in numbers is good (with Linux at least), and therefore will have to be paid by A-Eon regardless if Aos4 runs perfectly or not.
Post by: eliyahu on March 08, 2011, 07:47:34 PM
Quote from: DAX;620414
It remains to be seen if what Varisys is building now, it's actually rev 2 or a "rev 2.5".ummm..... yeah... that was kinda my fault. i was writing a reply to someone on AWN while at amiwest, and in mentioning (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=32608&forum=16&start=180&viewmode=flat&order=0#586073) the rev2 boards, i accidentally hit '3' on the keyboard. there is no rev3, and none was planned as of last november.
At AmiWest -October 2010- a rev3 mobo was mentioned but then they went hush hush.
i've since cleared that up (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=32558&forum=2&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0#587148) at the other forum.
-- eliyahu
Post by: itix on March 08, 2011, 08:28:14 PM
Quote from: DAX;620414
@Itix
Also consider they probably have a clause on the contract against defective boards, it is probably the Varisys guys that want a "proof" that what they will be building in numbers is good (with Linux at least), and therefore will have to be paid by A-Eon regardless if Aos4 runs perfectly or not.
Port Linux 9 months after completion of design? Hell, I can not believe they would have wasted so much time only to prove the design is working.
More likely it is used for XMOS chip. I mean, to use their Linux based development tools.
Post by: DAX on March 08, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
Missed that one. we're clear about that issue at least.
@Itix
After 9 months? Well they are announcing it now, they didn't say the Linux thing started yesterday.
Anyway, when money are at stake I wouldn't be so quick in ruling out possibilities ;-)
Post by: actung_bab on March 08, 2011, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Tension;620383
Or maybe it's what CBM would call a 'CR' model.WHy dont you rent the movie finding nemo
yeah maybe bruce the shark ibm and other shark mac and your the dentist duaghter hehe
and amiga 1000 is marlyn
actually cr is also prefix for some best racing motorcross bikes and pure racing designs from
honda they rock
Post by: Iggy on March 08, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: jorkany;620406
In one of the news items on the A-eon site (due to the crappy design of that site news items cannot be linked) it was explained that Varisys had an existing relationship with PA Semi, and they leveraged that to source the processors. It does not say what the actual source was however.
I've also read, either on a forum or an interview, that the followup to the X1000 isn't necessarily going to use PA6T. At the rate things are going that probably won't be this decade.
You know that's strange because earlier Trevor was quoted as saying that his PA6T supplier recommended Varisys for the design work. At this point I have no idea where they got the processors, but chances are that they have a limited supply.
When I mentioned PPCs to a Varisys rep they recommended Freescale's QorIQ so the P5010 and P5020 would make good successors. These should be available this year and Freescale lists a T5020 and T5040 that are based on the same e5500 core but supplemented with AltiVec for the near future.
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 08, 2011, 10:29:51 PM
Now beta testers are said to get their boards during Q2 instead. After that, there ought to be a reasonable time frame to actually beta test the thing, and to correct any bugs reported by the participants in the beta test program, right? Given this, when can a consumer release be expected? Late Q3? Q4? In time for Christmas 2011?
I don't think many of us are particularly surprised, and it's kind of funny how it follows the "Amiga One" tradition in more ways than the name. But other than this, there is nothing new to see here, so can we please leave it now and move on? This one doesn't even have any "popcorn value"...
Post by: klx300r on March 08, 2011, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620449
.... But other than this, there is nothing new to see here, so can we please leave it now and move on? This one doesn't even have any "popcorn value"...
hmmm why did anyone force you to enter a thread entitled "News on the X1000" :angry:
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 08, 2011, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: klx300r;620451
hmmm why did anyone force you to enter a thread entitled "News on the X1000" :angry:
Eh, *nobody* forced me, what do you mean? I'm just commenting the fact that there aren't really any news here, only smoke and noise, and what we have is yet another pointless discussion about the "x1000" based on nothing but void and speculations, which is, frankly put, quite meaningless. The thing has quarterly been postponed one quarter for how many quarters now? Jeeez... But by all means, go ahead and continue these derailed speculations then! I mean, "What can be *the real* reason to its delays?"...
Post by: haywirepc on March 08, 2011, 11:08:53 PM
Lets see, posting some videos of the thing actually working and running software would be news.
Announcing that it will have a browser as capable as my 3 year old phone(or better) would be news.
Saying sorry no release date, no we won't discuss where we are getting this niche processor, or in what quantities, sorry we won't give any reason for the year+ delay in release... Thats just bullshit.
If they are already on a second revision board... Something major didn't work in the initial board design, can you guess what that is?
If anyone actually paid them money for this nightmare in advance of release, I think they will be pretty surprised at how incredible shitty this thing currently is, with little hope of being salvaged.
There is a reason they are making people sign non disclosure agreements. They don't want you posting here or elsewhere how much this POS crashes and how slow it is, or how it barely works for 30 minutes before heat problems cause a shutdown, and thats if it boots at all.
GURU meditations indeed.
Steven
Post by: Iggy on March 09, 2011, 12:29:13 AM
On this we really agree Haywire. When I talked to a Varisys employee, he told me A-eon had to source their own processors, now Trevor says they were obtained through Varisys? And since PA Semi is now owned by Apple, how long will the PA6T be available?
Don't pin your hopes on this one guys. It sounded neat on paper, but its rapidly becoming pointless.
Post by: lsmart on March 09, 2011, 04:46:15 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;620460
This is not news. A REAL release date would be news. Releasing benchmarks against a comparable mac, linux or windows pc would be news.
You obvously don´t know much about making hardware in small quantities. Slipping for a year when you found a bug in a board is very common. How can they know a release board if the Beta-Testers haven´t started their work yet?
Benchmarks at this point would be complete garbage. All you could have were estimates and they wouldn´t help you much - calculate for yourself.
There is a lot of information about the state of affairs in that post. And if anyone can ever built a new AmigaOne it´s these guys!
If you don´t like AmigaOne computers - fine, stick with classics or whatever. But I don´t see why you are criticizing a product for being late that harsh.
I for one would welcome the updated specs on the nemo2, if I find that at some point of the year I have enough cash to get it.
Post by: itix on March 09, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
Quote from: lsmart;620533
You obvously don´t know much about making hardware in small quantities. Slipping for a year when you found a bug in a board is very common. How can they know a release board if the Beta-Testers haven´t started their work yet?
Excuse me but you are inventing your own theories.
Nobody said there is a bug in the board. This revision 2 was finalized 9 months ago and nobody said there has been new revision since then.
Post by: Tension on March 09, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;620441
WHy dont you rent the movie finding nemo
yeah maybe bruce the shark ibm and other shark mac and your the dentist duaghter hehe
and amiga 1000 is marlyn
actually cr is also prefix for some best racing motorcross bikes and pure racing designs from
honda they rock
Pardon?
Post by: actung_bab on March 09, 2011, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: Tension;620579
Pardon?oh your such a wit arent you , whats matter got no nuts to reply
or just your always right oh yeah typical
Post by: Tension on March 09, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;620585
oh your such a wit arent you , whay matter got no nuts to reply
Are you fucking mental???
Post by: actung_bab on March 09, 2011, 10:32:17 AM
Post by: Franko on March 09, 2011, 10:33:28 AM
Post by: Tension on March 09, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;620589
are you ? irish prick
I'd love to jump on your face you fucking spastic. Learn to speak the fucking language or stop posting shite that doesn't even make sense. Now fuck off.
Post by: Kesa on March 09, 2011, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Tension;620591
I'd love to jump on your face you fucking spastic. Learn to speak the fucking language or stop posting shite that doesn't even make sense. Now fuck off.
Oi! Only i can criticise other peoples spelling and grammer on A.org!
Post by: Franko on March 09, 2011, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Kesa;620592
Oi! Only i can criticise other peoples spelling and grammer on A.org!
:roflmao: When are you going to realise ya numptie it's "GRAMMAR" not "GRAMMER"... :roflmao:
Queen Spelling Bee my rear end... :D
Post by: J-Golden on March 09, 2011, 11:29:11 AM
Post by: Kesa on March 09, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
In this world Grammar really is spelt as Grammer.
P.S. did you know that in Amiga World dog is really spelt cat? :kitty:
Post by: Kesa on March 09, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: J-Golden;620595
Please guys, let's all take a break and walk away for a bit. Maybe, go get a pint. :pint:
No, no please not. Let's all just sit back with a pint and enjoy the cock fight :)
Post by: kurkosdr on March 09, 2011, 12:50:52 PM
Are there any applications that can take advantage of the extra hardware power?
No intention to troll, just asking (yes, I am new to this).
Post by: klx300r on March 09, 2011, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: kurkosdr;620611
Out of curiosity, what are the practical benefits of the X1000 compared to your usual sam board, when running OS4.1?
Are there any applications that can take advantage of the extra hardware power?
No intention to troll, just asking (yes, I am new to this).
any/all XMOS apps plus any other area where extra speed would be required i.e 3D rendering, video applications etc.
also running old 68k apps/games with E-UAE (with integrated solutions like glUAE or RunInUAE) would drastically benefit from the extra speed
Post by: dammy on March 09, 2011, 02:07:28 PM
Quote from: kurkosdr;620611
Out of curiosity, what are the practical benefits of the X1000 compared to your usual sam board, when running OS4.1?
Are there any applications that can take advantage of the extra hardware power?
No intention to troll, just asking (yes, I am new to this).
One is a viable product, the other one is vapor.
Post by: zylesea on March 09, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: klx300r;620618
any/all XMOS apps plus any other area where extra speed would be required i.e 3D rendering, video applications etc.
also running old 68k apps/games with E-UAE (with integrated solutions like glUAE or RunInUAE) would drastically benefit from the extra speed
Which XMOS Application? There's none.
But extra cpu power is always welcome, for browsing, video, raytracing, compiling, UAE whatever. The more the better. But question remains: for what price. And taking the price into account the X1000... Well, it's up to each one¹ to either rob a bank, sell your stocks or take a mortage on the house.
--
¹ My answers to those questions: wouldn't tell here/keep them/get real.
Post by: jorkany on March 09, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: klx300r;620618
any/all XMOS apps plus any other area where extra speed would be required i.e 3D rendering, video applications etc.
also running old 68k apps/games with E-UAE (with integrated solutions like glUAE or RunInUAE) would drastically benefit from the extra speed
Of those which do you find to be of the most benefit on your X1000?
Post by: klx300r on March 09, 2011, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: jorkany;620633
Of those which do you find to be of the most benefit on your X1000?
I think 3D rendering times and modern 3d gaming would be the most noticable difference for me comparing to my old Samflex@800..of (Samflex@800..of) course glUAE will run even smoother on the X1000 as well with the extra speed:) though I must admit the XMOS & Xorro slots are the X factor for me as the possibilities are so endless.
Post by: drHirudo on March 09, 2011, 03:44:46 PM
Post by: Daedalus on March 09, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: dammy;620619
Quote
Originally Posted by kurkosdr
No intention to troll, just asking (yes, I am new to this).
One is a viable product, the other one is vapor.
Don't worry kurkosdr, if you don't intend to troll there are always others who are willing...
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 09, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
Quote from: klx300r;620641
I must admit the XMOS & Xorro slots are the X factor for me as the possibilities are so endless.
*You are* being sarcastic now, right?
Post by: klx300r on March 09, 2011, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620655
*You are* being sarcastic now, right?
huh..someone still forcing you to read this thread again:angry:..i thought you said nothing of interest to you here blah blah blah but yet you have such a 'passion' for any thread that is X1000 related
Post by: wawrzon on March 09, 2011, 05:02:53 PM
Post by: lsmart on March 09, 2011, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: itix;620549
Excuse me but you are inventing your own theories.
Not quite. I read in Amiga Future that while Hyperion needed more time to work on the software, AEON decided to fix a few small layout problems and offer better functionality and performance. It further mentions that Hyperion got the first five of the rev 2 boards in february of 2011.
Post by: Iggy on March 09, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: lsmart;620682
Not quite. I read in Amiga Future that while Hyperion needed more time to work on the software, AEON decided to fix a few small layout problems and offer better functionality and performance. It further mentions that Hyperion got the first five of the rev 2 boards in february of 2011.
So the CPU is out of production and A-eon is still revising the motherboard?
Post by: lsmart on March 09, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: Iggy;620695
So the CPU is out of production ... ?
Either it is still in production or Apple has stocked millions of them. But they won´t sell it on the open market.
Post by: actung_bab on March 09, 2011, 11:00:37 PM
Play Avis with hardware graphics support the sam baords just dont have enough
Apart from sam 460 .
but for me if going spend x amount of cash l rather spend more money get someting
am going keep for next 8 years . and before say it doesint suport secend cpu it will
The diffrence betwen my p4 and dual core cpu machine made for my nephew
Is quite large does everthing bit better smother l betting be same with x1000
faster ram better cpu chache it all adds up in small important ways, its
how it all works toghter . the sam 460 board is good but . for me l want x1000
just personall choice
Post by: zylesea on March 09, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
Quote from: actung_bab;620726
Well one reason for me is the dual core cpu and right amout horsepower to
Play Avis with hardware graphics support the sam baords just dont have enough
Apart from sam 460 .
but for me if going spend x amount of cash l rather spend more money get someting
am going keep for next 8 years . and before say it doesint suport secend cpu it will
The diffrence betwen my p4 and dual core cpu machine made for my nephew
Is quite large does everthing bit better smother l betting be same with x1000
faster ram better cpu chache it all adds up in small important ways, its
how it all works toghter . the sam 460 board is good but . for me l want x1000
just personall choice
Probably your nephew's machine uses an OS with proper SMP support. Something which will be rather unlikely for OS4. Except backwards compability gets thrown overboard.
Best hope is AMP. Not a bad thing per se, but requires the apps to take account of multiprocessing. Probably similarly done like PowerUp by phase5. But only new programs will benefit from multicore then. And - don't get this wrong - IMHO Hyperion were not too fast and successful yet to provide new and working OS functionalities. Providing a good multiprocessing support is messing at deep layers of the OS. I just have serious concerns they are capable of doing it in a sensible timeframe (say 12 months from now) with a decent result (no compabilty flaws, easy to use API).
Post by: magnetic on March 09, 2011, 11:52:53 PM
My main concern or I guess question is how can you justify needing a board of this power and cost to run OS4? I mean what apps are there to really take advantage of PCI e gfx cards, super fast cpu, ram, etc? The only thing I hear ppl say it will speed up emu but that is daft because you can do it with a dirt cheap x86 pentium iv box and agp card... or better yet get a Real amiga classic.
Where are the new software devlopments? There are virtually none, not even good ports lately.
if X1000 were launched with OS 4.3 with Timberwolf 4 alpha and Open office alpha you would have something.. but a broken Os4 on the board and a half ass ppc linux for that cost is not a good business plan.
Post by: NovaCoder on March 09, 2011, 11:59:57 PM
Quote from: magnetic;620742
if X1000 were launched with OS 4.3 with Timberwolf 4 alpha and Open office alpha you would have something
I'd like the re-phrase that for you if I may...
if X1000 launched with OS 4.3 with Timberwolf 4 BETA and Open office BETA last year you would have something
Post by: DAX on March 10, 2011, 12:17:57 AM
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.
Ah well, any publicity is good publicity or as Oscar Wilde said "the only worst thing than being talked about, is...not being talked about" :-)
Post by: magnetic on March 10, 2011, 12:51:04 AM
Post by: amoskodare on March 10, 2011, 12:53:51 AM
Post by: Iggy on March 10, 2011, 01:16:49 AM
Quote from: lsmart;620699
Either it is still in production or Apple has stocked millions of them. But they won´t sell it on the open market.
I don't see any proof for either of those suppositions, but Trevor has said that Apple has ceased production.
Post by: klx300r on March 10, 2011, 01:49:57 AM
Quote from: DAX;620751
@Klx300r
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.
Ah well, any publicity is good publicity or as Oscar Wilde said "the only worst thing than being talked about, is...not being talked about" :-)
ya well let's just say it's a tough crowd at the best of times when any new OS4.x hardware is mentioned around here:)...hey DAX don't forget we used to be only classic users too at one time;)
Post by: zylesea on March 10, 2011, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: DAX;620751
@Klx300r
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.
That makes at 90 posts so far (not considering that many posts are from the same folks) about 0.9 non classic or MorphOS ppl...
Post by: persia on March 10, 2011, 03:24:32 AM
Quote from: lsmart;620699
Either it is still in production or Apple has stocked millions of them. But they won´t sell it on the open market.
Post by: lsmart on March 10, 2011, 04:55:31 AM
Quote from: persia;620798
They aren't interested in continuing to produce an outdated chip that generates little or no profit.
Varisys isn´t the only customer, who is still using that chip, wich is far from outdated if you look beyond the PC and smartphone market. Apple has signed a contract when they bought PA-Semi. AEON won´t sell many X1000s, so Varisys could easily stock a supply that is enough for - say 5 years - enough time to plan for the furure.
Post by: Digiman on March 10, 2011, 05:22:17 AM
We all know it's just an OS4 box, flawed design too, but it may be enough CPU grunt to do really modern things.
Post by: Iggy on March 10, 2011, 05:26:16 AM
Quote from: lsmart;620810
Varisys isn´t the only customer, who is still using that chip, wich is far from outdated if you look beyond the PC and smartphone market. Apple has signed a contract when they bought PA-Semi. AEON won´t sell many X1000s, so Varisys could easily stock a supply that is enough for - say 5 years - enough time to plan for the furure.
No. There is no contract that requires Apple to continue to supply the PA6T.
Apple promised that it would be available till at least 2011 and possibly as long as 2013.
But PA Semi is a fab-less design firm and it appears that production of the processor has ceased.
No one knows how many of these chips remain, but all firm that formerly created hardware with the PA6T (including Varisys) have removed the processor fro their web pages and no longer recommend it for new designs.
And no one has a firm idea of where A-eon obtain their CPUs in the first place as there have been conflicting statements made about this.
Personally, I really like the design of the X10000, so I hope Trevor has a good supply of PA6Ts on hand.
Post by: magnetic on March 10, 2011, 09:02:52 AM
Post by: jorkany on March 10, 2011, 12:52:48 PM
Funny how this kind of stuff isn't on the A-eon site. They'll probably claim Adam Barnes violated their NDA or something!
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/187370.shtml
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 10, 2011, 01:06:08 PM
Post by: vidarh on March 10, 2011, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: jorkany;620870
X1000 progress report from Varisys.
They'll probably claim Adam Barnes violated their NDA or something!
Not very likely, since A-Eon e-mail the update out to everyone who's signed up for e-mail updates.
Post by: TrevorDick on March 10, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
TrevorD
Edit: typo
Post by: Franko on March 10, 2011, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: TrevorDick;620875
We always post to people who have registered with A-EON to receive news updates first. The website is updated a little later.
TrevorD
Edit: typo
I registered months ago and have never had one solitary single teeny weeny wee email from your site... :(
Post by: drHirudo on March 10, 2011, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: jorkany;620870
X1000 progress report from Varisys.
Funny how this kind of stuff isn't on the A-eon site. They'll probably claim Adam Barnes violated their NDA or something!
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com!
Jorkany is one of the two people in the world who looks at Moobunny as a reliable and up to date site for information and intelligent discussions!
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 10, 2011, 01:47:58 PM
Post by: DAX on March 10, 2011, 01:53:27 PM
They had some trouble with emails initially, a few addresses might have been lost.
I receive the emails all the time, maybe you could try signing up again (if you use more than one email address, try submitting a new/different one).
Soon a new tech brief should be out, about the upgraded Xmos subsystem (based on a dual core chip) maybe there are updates on the interconnections as well.
Post by: mongo on March 10, 2011, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;620871
Isnt PA6T supposed to be a SoC ? Why would an additional south bridge (SB600) be required?
PA6T isn't a SoC.
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 10, 2011, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: klx300r;620659
huh..someone still forcing you to read this thread again:angry:..i thought you said nothing of interest to you here blah blah blah but yet you have such a 'passion' for any thread that is X1000 related
Quote from: DAX;620751
@Klx300r
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.
Ah well, any publicity is good publicity or as Oscar Wilde said "the only worst thing than being talked about, is...not being talked about" :-)
Please keep your meta-discussions about *who* you think *should be allowed* to post *what* and *where* to "TOS.net", OK?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 10, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: jorkany;620870
X1000 progress report from Varisys.
Funny how this kind of stuff isn't on the A-eon site. They'll probably claim Adam Barnes violated their NDA or something!
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/187370.shtml
So the speculations of yet another delay is now officially confirmed...?
Post by: klx300r on March 10, 2011, 02:13:23 PM
Following the AmigaOne X1000 Update article in the current edition of "Amiga Future" magazine we asked Adam Barnes, the Technical Director of Varisys, to provide an official Nemo progress report.
London, 10th March 2011
Following the AmigaOne X1000 Update article in the current edition of "Amiga Future" magazine we asked Adam Barnes, the Technical Director of Varisys, to provide an official Nemo progress report.
"From the horse's mouth"
We have had some problems with procurement of certain items for the revision 2 Nemo board which delayed our production plan by about 4 weeks. The situation was not helped either by the Chinese New Year celebrations. However, I'm pleased to report that these difficulties have now been overcome. We've had one remaining issue with supply of the onboard PC99 audio connector. The best delivery we could obtain for the existing connector type was a minimum order quantity of 10,000 pieces and a lead time of 12 weeks. We had an option for a direct replacement which has 6 jacks (enough for 5.1 analogue out) but unfortunately the Taiwanese supplier did not respond to our communications. Our alternative compromise plan was a triple jack which would support simple stereo audio out through the back panel, with header pins on the board to support 5.1 audio for users who want this feature. However, this was not our preferred option and eventually we managed to source an almost identical PC99 HD audio connector from an Italian company to satisfy our demand for all the Beta test boards.
We already have enough PA6T CPUs in hand and we have also secured supplies of the SB600 south bridge chip and various other long lead parts, with deliveries of all due on or before the 15th of this month, in sufficient quantities for the current schedule of revision 2 beta test boards. Typically, the production time from full kit to assembled boards is 10 days for small batches (the 5 off for approval). This timescale will be confirmed once the kit is issued out for build. The estimated lead time for the balance of beta test boards will be around 20-25 days based on standard PCB fabrication and assembly lead times.
Barnes also confirmed he was in the process of writing up a technical brief of the new dual-core XMOS subsystem. This will include a block diagram and pinouts so prospective end users can start working on the XMOS side of things.
A-EON Technology CVBA(http://www.amigans.net/images/themes/2010/buttons/Read%20More.gif) (http://www.amigans.net/?function=viewcomments¬eid=43&full=true)
Comments
I must admit though that I'd prefer a dedicated sound card in the X1000 over any onboard sound..I know my trusty M-Audio card is going into mine the minute I get mine:biglaugh:
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 10, 2011, 02:20:11 PM
As for me wondering why a south bridge is neeed it appears PA6T has no intergrated pci controllers which probably plays a large part.
Post by: Franko on March 10, 2011, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: DAX;620882
@Franko
They had some trouble with emails initially, a few addresses might have been lost.
I receive the emails all the time, maybe you could try signing up again (if you use more than one email address, try submitting a new/different one).
Soon a new tech brief should be out, about the upgraded Xmos subsystem (based on a dual core chip) maybe there are updates on the interconnections as well.
Trevor just PMd me and has promised to check it out and put me on the updates list... :)
Post by: DAX on March 10, 2011, 02:31:40 PM
Glad to hear :)
@TMHG
everyone's welcome :)
Post by: number6 on March 10, 2011, 02:40:45 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620887
@klx300r & DAX
Please keep your meta-discussions about *who* you think *should be allowed* to post *what* and *where* to "TOS.net", OK?
If you're referring to AW with your "TOS.net", then I'll take this opportunity to genuinely praise you for this highly motivational post.
After wegster and I worked so hard to create exactly what you asked for in opening up the site to all people...this is the thanks we get. Nice. Thanks for this!
#6
Post by: jorkany on March 10, 2011, 02:44:32 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620888
So the speculations of yet another delay is now officially confirmed...?
A-eon had already confirmed a delay to 2nd quarter for the beta boards a few days ago.
Funny thing is how the people who were saying "give 'em until the end of March" when the last delay was announced are now backslapping about the explanation for this new delay. I wonder what it will be next time, around June?
Post by: mongo on March 10, 2011, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;620891
Onboard sound these days can be quite reasonable and will often be better than older dedicated solutions. Having said this though I cant say I know anything about what sound is being used for x1000.
As for me wondering why a south bridge is neeed it appears PA6T has no intergrated pci controllers which probably plays a large part.
SB600 gives you PATA, SATA, Audio, USB, PCI, RTC, LPC Bus and more. All of which the PA6T doesn't have.
Post by: jorkany on March 10, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: drHirudo;620879
Jorkany is one of the two people in the world who looks at Moobunny as a reliable and up to date site for information and intelligent discussions!
I have to admit I LOL'd at this.
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 10, 2011, 03:01:05 PM
I also noticed while doing a bit of research that its Wikipedia page is one of the few places that rates it so low in regards to power consumption. Most other sources rate it at roughly 4x the consumption its Wikipedia page says. (including some tech. sites that have had hands on experience).
Makes no difference to me at the end of the day though, but being that Im interested in hardware I'd be curious to get some real details on it.
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 10, 2011, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: drHirudo;620879
Jorkany is one of the two people in the world who looks at Moobunny as a reliable and up to date site for information and intelligent discussions!
One thing that moobunny does do well though is to demonstrate just how screwed up this community has become :)
New to Amiga ? Want a fair representation of Amiga in it's current day guise ? Simply read moobunny for 10 minutes. It wont tell you much about the actual system, but it'll give you good insight into the community :) The funny thing is that you could call moobunny a parody, or an accurate representation and both would be equally true :)
Post by: Norway on March 10, 2011, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620888
So the speculations of yet another delay is now officially confirmed...?
Yes, just like it is confirmed that you are a Troll
Post by: takemehomegrandma on March 10, 2011, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: number6;620898
If you're referring to AW with your "TOS.net", then I'll take this opportunity to genuinely praise you for this highly motivational post.
After wegster and I worked so hard to create exactly what you asked for in opening up the site to all people...this is the thanks we get. Nice. Thanks for this!
#6
Yes I was referring to AW.net as "TOS.net", because that site seems to be more about discussing the Terms Of Service than about discussing Amiga (and flavors). Every other thread (and poll for that matter) seems to be started by some crybaby moaning "Moderators, help, someone is saying something I don't approve of, why are people allowed to make posts I don't like, boohooo" and such. Outright painful to see, and I guess it's a long-lasting hangover from "the MikeyC-days", but it pictures everything that's wrong with that part (OS4) of the community, and I'm so glad that I left it several years ago. It's crazy! But it would be even better if the TOS-kind of meta discussions *would be kept* on the site where they were invented, instead of having them dragged over here, because I have a feeling that people here are more interested in discussing the *Amiga* (and flavors) than *who* should be allowed to post *what* and *where*!
Just my EUR 0.02...
Post by: number6 on March 10, 2011, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620917
Yes I was referring to AW.net as "TOS.net", because that site seems to be more about discussing the Terms Of Service than about discussing Amiga (and flavors). Every other thread (and poll for that matter) seems to be started by some crybaby moaning "Moderators, help, someone is saying something I don't approve of, why are people allowed to make posts I don't like, boohooo" and such. Outright painful to see, and I guess it's a long-lasting hangover from "the MikeyC-days", but it pictures everything that's wrong with that part (OS4) of the community, and I'm so glad that I left it several years ago. It's crazy! But it would be even better if the TOS-kind of meta discussions *would be kept* on the site where they were invented, instead of having them dragged over here, because I have a feeling that people here are more interested in discussing the *Amiga* (and flavors) than *who* should be allowed to post *what* and *where*!
Just my EUR 0.02...
Check the a.org "views" for threads about strictly argumentative topics like "C=USA" and "iContain".
Compare with "views" on what you term amiga topics from the same time period to understand where people devote their posting efforts.
Still feel this has more to do with a website, than with human nature?
#6
Post by: amoskodare on March 10, 2011, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620917
Yes I was referring to AW.net as "TOS.net", because that site seems to be more about discussing the Terms Of Service than about discussing Amiga (and flavors). Every other thread (and poll for that matter) seems to be started by some crybaby moaning "Moderators, help, someone is saying something I don't approve of, why are people allowed to make posts I don't like, boohooo" and such. Outright painful to see, and I guess it's a long-lasting hangover from "the MikeyC-days", but it pictures everything that's wrong with that part (OS4) of the community, and I'm so glad that I left it several years ago. It's crazy! But it would be even better if the TOS-kind of meta discussions *would be kept* on the site where they were invented, instead of having them dragged over here, because I have a feeling that people here are more interested in discussing the *Amiga* (and flavors) than *who* should be allowed to post *what* and *where*!Could you please keep your meta-discussion out of this thread, it's off topic, OK?
Post by: fishy_fiz on March 10, 2011, 04:04:30 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;620917
Yes I was referring to AW.net as "TOS.net", because that site seems to be more about discussing the Terms Of Service than about discussing Amiga (and flavors). Every other thread (and poll for that matter) seems to be started by some crybaby moaning "Moderators, help, someone is saying something I don't approve of, why are people allowed to make posts I don't like, boohooo" and such. Outright painful to see, and I guess it's a long-lasting hangover from "the MikeyC-days", but it pictures everything that's wrong with that part (OS4) of the community, and I'm so glad that I left it several years ago. It's crazy! But it would be even better if the TOS-kind of meta discussions *would be kept* on the site where they were invented, instead of having them dragged over here, because I have a feeling that people here are more interested in discussing the *Amiga* (and flavors) than *who* should be allowed to post *what* and *where*!
Just my EUR 0.02...
Sure, that's one side. The other side is that there are people who like to antagonise others on that site to get those types of reactions. It really has become a self fulfilling prophecy. Group "A" antagonises Group "B" until Group "A" gets the reaction they tried to get from Group "B". Group "A" then goes on to complain that they cant speak thier minds without Group "B" complaining about it. Group "A" effectively sets themselves up for something and then arent happy when they get the result theyre ultimately after.
Personally I find both groups equally annoying.
Post by: Iggy on March 10, 2011, 04:37:03 PM
I also received word today from Freescale that the P5020 and P5010 (the first e5500 cored products) are also on schedule for Q2 release along with an evaluation board (set at the usual high price of $4000).
So PPCs aren't dead and we've received some good news recently. I'm happy.
Post by: ferrellsl on March 10, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Iggy;620925
The reassurance that the X1000 is on schedule and that A-eon has secured adequate PA6T and SB600 components is a relief.
I also received word today from Freescale that the P5020 and P5010 (the first e5500 cored products) are also on schedule for Q2 release along with an evaluation board (set at the usual high price of $4000).
So PPCs aren't dead and we've received some good news recently. I'm happy.
What schedule would that be that you're talking about? The X1000 was supposed to released late last summer, then it slipped to the fall, now it's Spring of 2011 and it will continue to slip. It's vaporware just like the last NG Amiga system that was offered by Adam Kowalczyk of ACK Controls back in 2007. The X1000 is just a repeat of that fiasco and the specs for both systems are about equal. The X1000 will be a failure even if it does see the light of day. Not many people are willing to pay $3000-4000 USD for a systems that's already lagging by about 6 years. The only thing special about the X1000 is the lack of performance for the price.
Post by: HammerD on March 10, 2011, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;620929
What schedule would that be that you're talking about? The X1000 was supposed to released late last summer, then it slipped to the fall, now it's Spring of 2011 and it will continue to slip. It's vaporware just like the last NG Amiga system that was offered by Adam Kowalczyk of ACK Controls back in 2007. The X1000 is just a repeat of that fiasco and the specs for both systems are about equal. The X1000 will be a failure even if it does see the light of day. Not many people are willing to pay $3000-4000 USD for a systems that's already lagging by about 6 years. The only thing special about the X1000 is the lack of performance for the price.
Just to clarify here, the systems announced by Amiga Inc. to be produced/designed by ACK controls were contingent on funding from Amiga Inc. which never materialized.
Post by: number6 on March 10, 2011, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: HammerD;620937
Just to clarify here, the systems announced by Amiga Inc. to be produced/designed by ACK controls were contingent on funding from Amiga Inc. which never materialized.
Actually Adam was only responsible for design.
#6
Post by: HammerD on March 10, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: number6;620938
Actually Adam was only responsible for design.
#6
Yes, thank you, you are correct.
Post by: Iggy on March 10, 2011, 06:32:52 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;620929
What schedule would that be that you're talking about? The X1000 was supposed to released late last summer, then it slipped to the fall, now it's Spring of 2011 and it will continue to slip. It's vaporware just like the last NG Amiga system that was offered by Adam Kowalczyk of ACK Controls back in 2007. The X1000 is just a repeat of that fiasco and the specs for both systems are about equal. The X1000 will be a failure even if it does see the light of day. Not many people are willing to pay $3000-4000 USD for a systems that's already lagging by about 6 years. The only thing special about the X1000 is the lack of performance for the price.
It's a little harsh comparing a system that is known to exist with a Bill McEwen backed project that apparently never made it past the press announcement stage.
Yes, the infamous "I believe" ad lists availability as 2010 (doesn't look like they're going to make that one). But all recent statements have indicated that release to the beta testers is imminent and that Hyperion has received the first five boards.
So they seem to be back on track and meeting their revised time lines.
While I will not be a customer for this product (as apparently you won't either), I do think very highly of the firm that designed it (Varisys).
We're I to look for a partner to build a P5020/P5010 motherboard, this company would be one of my first choices.
And yes, the price is high, but you know if I had it I'd pay the $4000 for the Freescale evaluation board I previously mentioned and it doesn't have either AOS or MOS support.
No one's forced to buy the X1000 and its performance/price ratio isn't good. But when available it will be the highest performing PPC based NG system available.
Some people are willing to pay a premium for this.