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This article suggests you create a ram disk and tell Windows to use that as a swap file. Faster than a hard drive, but slower than regular memory access.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-3.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-3.html)
If ever Amiga becomes the number one operating system again... remember simplicity, logic, ease of use mean nothing. Just market the thing like crazy and the sheeple will buy it up without even thinking.
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If ever Amiga becomes the number one operating system again...
Is this the new "If pigs can fly and the earth is flat ..." ?
Just market the thing like crazy and the sheeple will buy it up without even thinking.
Yep! This is precisely what Apple is doing today and Microsoft did in the past. Microsotfs problem today is: because they are everywhere they tend to become invisible. If it weren´t for the penguin, I bet most people wouldn´t know about Linux.
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This article suggests you create a ram disk and tell Windows to use that as a swap file. Faster than a hard drive, but slower than regular memory access.
This is a solution looking for a problem, Microsoft already have a solution. Install a 64 bit version of Windows that will happily use more than 4gb of ram, no fudging required.
If you're using software that needs alot of ram then it's probably already available as a 64 bit application itself.
I only run a 32bit OS on my netbook because it doesn't have an x64 compatible chip and the chipset only supports 2gb max.
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This article suggests you create a ram disk and tell Windows to use that as a swap file. Faster than a hard drive, but slower than regular memory access.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-3.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-3.html)
PAE works just fine, but there are caveats that even this method won't fix: There is still a hard limit for how much ram any single program can use. This is a limitation of a 32bit OS that neither PAE or the above suggestion will get around.
If you honestly have need for more than 4Gb of ram, you should use a 64bit OS. There simply isn't any good reason not to these days.
If ever Amiga becomes the number one operating system again.
Hahahahahahaha!
.. remember simplicity, logic, ease of use mean nothing.
Not if they come at the expense of you know, actually getting the job done.
Just market the thing like crazy and the sheeple will buy it up without even thinking.
Sheeple? You actually wrote that?
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Sheeple mean Sheep People. I'm referring to the average Joe who buys the most marketed product he's heard of as opposed to doing some research first.
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Sheeple mean Sheep People. I'm referring to the average Joe who buys the most marketed product he's heard of as opposed to doing some research first.
I'm well aware of what it means, I was asking if you'd actually written that.
The last time I saw that word used in a non ironic context was when dealing with loonspud conspiracy theorists.
Make of that what you will.
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No. 1 operating system again is asking way too much, BUT (and yes its a big but) any further improvement to Windoze and Mac Os is purely cosmetic from now on in, so AmigaOS if given enough resources and can stay financially viable will certainly catch up on what the average joe wants from a computer which I believe is Hyperion's current goal.
By making a competent fit-for-purpose browser, make a modern OS, build-in place strong 3d/graphic support and provide common internet applications as standard.
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There is another way to increase program speed and decrease memory usage on a 32 Bit Windows machine.
Remove the bloat.
Run a dos or early windows program on a high end machine. The results are amazing. Functionally and in basic usage there's not a lot of difference between some programs with conterparts from the early 90s yet the ones from the 90s are 1 tenth the size and 50 times faster. As we develop new and faster ways to develop there's a proportional drop in performance and increase in size. When they invented DLLs they didn't mean for them to actually contain as much bloat as a real Library.
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There is another way to increase program speed and decrease memory usage on a 32 Bit Windows machine.
Remove the bloat.
Run a dos or early windows program on a high end machine. The results are amazing. Functionally and in basic usage there's not a lot of difference between some programs with conterparts from the early 90s yet the ones from the 90s are 1 tenth the size and 50 times faster.
There I don't agree. A lot of the old programs have limitations, bugs and missing features. Most are actually incompatible with new operating systems and only work under emulation. Putting old operating systems on new hardware is another nightmare in its own right.
It's an old argument many Linux distros have used over the years: use slimmed down software to gain speed, because you don't need those new features. Anyone tried viewing modern web sites with Dillo?
Seriously, things have moved on. Eventually, 32-bit computing will be as obsolete as C64 BASIC is today - or indeed as obsolete as Amigas have become.
That the 32-bit memory limitation of Windows is an issue as a result of Microsoft's success in penetrating such a huge slice of the market. Developers don't want to abandon the existing user base (mostly 32-bit) and some can't afford the development costs of releasing 64-bit versions of their stuff just yet. This leads to users sticking with 32-bit because they don't want the hassle of (partially or fully) incompatible applications and you have a vicious circle. To a lesser extent the same vicious circle applies to Linux too, though that's improved a lot of late.
The fact that most systems now selling with pre-installed Windows 7 come with the 64-bit version will accelerate the transition to 64-bit as software developers are forced to get their finger out and the current memory limitation on 32-bit Windows systems will be pretty much irrelevant in a couple of years' time.
As for the research the OP mentioned, let's face facts: if people did their research, they'd probably make the same choice. Some would choose a Mac and some would use Linux, again depending on what their prime requirement would be.
Very few people would have their needs met by an Amiga, or by something running AmigaOS. Mostly those people are... well... here.
The article on Tom's Hardware is useful and interesting and yes, it's a kludge, but before we laugh too hard we should remember what they say about people living in glass houses.
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Functionally and in basic usage there's not a lot of difference between some programs with conterparts from the early 90s yet the ones from the 90s are 1 tenth the size and 50 times faster. As we develop new and faster ways to develop there's a proportional drop in performance and increase in size. When they invented DLLs they didn't mean for them to actually contain as much bloat as a real Library.
I do agree, people I work with (in a university) don't know how to use Excel or Word to any better degree than they did in 1995. Or use a computer in general with any more proficiency than they did in 1995. They are no better with a quad-core machine than a 486. CPU Power is really just off-set with glossy icons and sliding screens and widgets. How is that "Advancement"?
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This article suggests you create a ram disk and tell Windows to use that as a swap file. Faster than a hard drive, but slower than regular memory access.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-3.html
If ever Amiga becomes the number one operating system again... remember simplicity, logic, ease of use mean nothing. Just market the thing like crazy and the sheeple will buy it up without even thinking.
When was AmigaOS the number one OS. I must have missed that nano-second :)
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Actually if you read the whole article it makes a lot of sense even fro 64bit os , to have ram disk/swpa file/tmp files in extra ram.
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When was AmigaOS the number one OS. I must have missed that nano-second :)
Probably depends what you are rating it on. People seem to automatically think #1 of something should be based on sales. When we all know the most popular thing is not the best thing and the best thing is not the best selling. I'm sure we can all list some technologies that were better, but lost out to lesser technology because of marketing.
I would definitely say for a while, Amiga was the #1 choice computer for personal use, for graphics use, for gaming, and for video editing.
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The method described really does seem like a clever way to let a 32 bit OS with a bucketload of RAM actually make use of that RAM. The question would ofcourse be why not switch to a 64 bit OS but oh well. Windows bashing is so 90s, bashing Apple is all the new rage today kids.
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Windows is great!
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Windows is great!
LOL u troll :)
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I do agree, people I work with (in a university) don't know how to use Excel or Word to any better degree than they did in 1995. Or use a computer in general with any more proficiency than they did in 1995. They are no better with a quad-core machine than a 486. CPU Power is really just off-set with glossy icons and sliding screens and widgets. How is that "Advancement"?
because there are people using computers for other things besides jacking off in Office? Important things!
You want NASA to run on 486s, or your bank? How about the hospitals?
Yeah lets just throw out all the newest technology and slam down some frigging IMSAIs all over the place, just because the people you work with are frigging retards.
If you can afford >4gb of RAM, you can probably afford a 64bit CPU and OS installation, so stop whining and fix the problem.
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except cyberporn generally requires more computational power than office work, so...
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Did you all read the aracticle all way through ?????
Even with a 64bit OS it goes on to say that 8G is the sweet spot and there is still an advantage if you have anymore than this to assign it to a ram disk and put swap file/temp files there.
And yes Windows is a good OS, if you cant see that then blinkers much
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Did you all read the aracticle all way through ?????
Even with a 64bit OS it goes on to say that 8G is the sweet spot and there is still an advantage if you have anymore than this to assign it to a ram disk and put swap file/temp files there.
And yes Windows is a good OS, if you cant see that then blinkers much
I have no problem with Windows. Ive used it constantly in my work and at home since 3.0 and 3.11. Before that DOS. Yes I'm old.
But just the ring of "8GB is the sweet spot" makes me laugh. Just think how much end user data would be in 8 GB. We are talking encylopedias of information.
Efficiency is the key in everything we do.
Learn to be efficient we must ... yeessss... or die out we will...... hmmmm.
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All depends what you use your pc for I suppose.
This article is biased towards the latest and greatest games and things that use a large amount of data like video etc
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And yes Windows is a good OS, if you cant see that then blinkers much
Windows is a good product. It's not great, mind you, and it's not without glaring faults, but it's good enough. The company that produces it, on the other hand, is whole other story..
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because there are people using computers for other things besides jacking off in Office? Important things!
You want NASA to run on 486s, or your bank? How about the hospitals?
WTF? The number of people that work for NASA or a bank are minuscule subset of the world's computer users. Just coz they might find a use for more than a gig of two of ram doesn't mean 99.99% of everyone else will.
And what were the specs of the computers used to send men to the moon?
Most hospitals around us run fairly low spec'd machines, beacsue its all they need for a patient database-yeah and i know about remote live video for diagnostics is A Good Thing, but its a niche thing that is mostly never needed.
Yeah lets just throw out all the newest technology and slam down some frigging IMSAIs all over the place, just because the people you work with are frigging retards.
Newer technology has its place-in the not too distant past, there were users who NEEDED the power of a Cray, now people are logging on to facebook or watching a poor quality you-tube of someone's cat with the a better-specced machine, saying they NEED that 8 Gig 8 core behemoth.
If you can afford >4gb of RAM, you can probably afford a 64bit CPU and OS installation, so stop whining and fix the problem.
AAh the motto upon which the PC market is built on:"If it doesn't run fast enough, buy new hardware", which really means "make it run slow, so you HAVE to". And the only reason why people accept it is because its cheap to upgrade so people just shrug and do it.
Except there is a looming shortage of rare earth metals, so unless they find another way to make the circuitry, it aint gonna be so cheap to upgrade forever.
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AAh the motto upon which the PC market is built on:"If it doesn't run fast enough, buy new hardware", which really means "make it run slow, so you HAVE to". And the only reason why people accept it is because its cheap to upgrade so people just shrug and do it.
Except there is a looming shortage of rare earth metals, so unless they find another way to make the circuitry, it aint gonna be so cheap to upgrade forever.
Obviously most people will take the cheapest route to better performance. I don't buy into the conspiracy theories that anyone is trying to force you to upgrade by making their software slow. It is impossible to write software that does more, without requiring more processor power.
Some software is poorly written, but writing it better would take more time and money. If you're trying to get software to market, then you have to ship it sometime. Nobody has unlimited pots of money, not even microsoft. You can't solve the time problem with money either. Even if you don't run out of money, is anyone going to pay your extortionate prices for software if you spend ten times longer to write the software by making it run slightly quicker?
There is a huge difference between modern hardware and 1992 amigas, but there is a huge difference between what you can do with them. My 50mhz 68030 struggled to play mp3's, I dread to think what it would make of a bluray. No matter how much you tried to optimise it, you'd get nowhere. AGA can't even output 1080p60.
I still get enjoyment out of my C128, so I can see why 8gb of ram would seem outrageous in comparison. However I don't try to import 2gb of price matrixes on it either.
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I don't think I'd even want to play MP3s on an Amiga. Stick a modern HDD in one and you could have a sizeable collection of uncompressed music that requires very little computational power to play.
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WTF? The number of people that work for NASA or a bank are minuscule subset of the world's computer users. Just coz they might find a use for more than a gig of two of ram doesn't mean 99.99% of everyone else will.
NASA sends humans into space. They need state of the art technology. If I were an astronaut and I saw a C64 w/ cables and shit hanging out of the back as the device responsible for sending me hurtling through the atmosphere, I would quit my job immediately.
And what were the specs of the computers used to send men to the moon?
Yes, that was STATE OF THE ART. It was also dangerous, risky, and HOLY SHIT caliber to do what they did back then.. Theres alot better technology now. Lets use it, k? We don't need another Apollo 13 debacle because nostalgic zealots don't want to use new gear and would rather use Fossiltron9000 to send people to the moon.
Most hospitals around us run fairly low spec'd machines, beacsue its all they need for a patient database-yeah and i know about remote live video for diagnostics is A Good Thing, but its a niche thing that is mostly never needed.
I worked for the Cleveland Clinic. Its a pretty big deal, that clinic. They exist overseas. They're everywhere. They don't use low spec'd machines. Shit is top notch. It's like that for a reason. Cutting edge technology = success and efficiency. Good luck running patient databases on a Pentium II w/ 128mb RAM.
Or those real-time monitoring databases with alert software. Yeah that will go well.
"HOW DID THE PATIENT DIE?"
"WELL YOU SEE, THE AMIGA CRASHED BECAUSE WE DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH RAM TO DO A TRIPLE BYPASS SURGERY AND STORE ALL THE DATA IN REAL TIME AND THEN THE MONITORS FROM 1982 STARTED FLICKERING AND WE COULDN'T SEE HIS VITALS. WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE 286 RUNNING ALL THE OTHER GEAR WOULD WORK OUT BUT WIN 3.1 CRASHED. SRY"
Newer technology has its place-in the not too distant past, there were users who NEEDED the power of a Cray, now people are logging on to facebook or watching a poor quality you-tube of someone's cat with the a better-specced machine, saying they NEED that 8 Gig 8 core behemoth.
No they're not. Sounds like you're just jealous your Amiga doesnt run youtube so well.
AAh the motto upon which the PC market is built on:"If it doesn't run fast enough, buy new hardware", which really means "make it run slow, so you HAVE to". And the only reason why people accept it is because its cheap to upgrade so people just shrug and do it.
Yet again, you bust out the fail. What do you do when your Amiga isn't fast enough? YOU BUY MORE RAM AND ACCELERATORS. JUICE IT UP, GO GO GO.
The "if it isnt fast enough, upgrade" motto has existed since computers were made. Apple, Commodore, Amiga, IBM, all of them. Quit being a bigot. You updated your Amiga at least once when it needed more oomph, and you know it.
Except there is a looming shortage of rare earth metals, so unless they find another way to make the circuitry, it aint gonna be so cheap to upgrade forever.
get out. I think there are chimps with higher levels of thought than you. :laughing:
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Let me just finish... Yeah read the whole article it is interesting. By installing a RAMDisk you can use more than the 3GB of memory in 32 bit windows. Also with the virtual memory turned off it crashed in some tests. Unacceptable and kludgy.
I'm sticking with 32-bit for at least two more years, I shouldn't have to mess around with virtual machines to run old software, one example being Mavis Beacon typing of Windows 95 era. Pirates from Windows XP era is another example that doesn't like 64-bit.
The only thing that ever requires more than 3GB is some seriously huge productivity stuff. Why not just keep that away from your general purpose home computer.
Lastly: Hey if apple could have seamless emulation why can't windows?
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Lastly: Hey if apple could have seamless emulation why can't windows?
Windows 7 has an Windows XP compatibility mode:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/features/windows-xp-mode.aspx
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I don't think I'd even want to play MP3s on an Amiga. Stick a modern HDD in one and you could have a sizeable collection of uncompressed music that requires very little computational power to play.
Isn't it hypocritical to put a modern huge hard drive in an amiga to allow you store audio in an inefficient format? If using modern hardware in a PC is so bad.
Also with the virtual memory turned off it crashed in some tests. Unacceptable and kludgy.
I'm sticking with 32-bit for at least two more years, I shouldn't have to mess around with virtual machines to run old software,
Yeah, I wouldn't disable virtual memory or limit it to a ram disk, no computer handles resource exhaustion well. The reason of course is that it's very expensive to write software that copes, when the easier solution is to make sure you have a large enough margin that you don't need to worry.
Windows handles low memory situations better than AmigaOS ever did. I don't use virtual machines for compatibility, because there isn't any old software that I would want to use. If a company doesn't think it's worth making a windows 7 64 bit compatible version then the software probably isn't very useful.
Windows 7 64 is generally more stable than 32 bit. Device drivers must be signed & they seem to get tested better. It's also more resistant to virus'
Going from kickstart 1.2 to 1.3 affected compatiblity, so did going from 1.3 to 2 & 3. The solution to that was a kickstart switcher, or softkicking/loading via mmu. I don't see how this would be different to a dual boot or virtual machine.
The main difference between windows and amigaos, is that windows is under active development to keep it modern. For amigaos we have 4.0, which needs to use a virutal machine to run old software.
Windows 7 64 bit ultimate/enterprise comes with xp mode, which pretty seemlessly runs software in a VM (like MacOS does for old software). You can have 32 bit applications in windows on your desktop, 32bit tray icons even appear in the system tray.
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NASA sends humans into space. They need state of the art technology.
What NASA needs is anything but state-of-the-art. For mission critical projects they will only use parts that are made with a stable process and that has proven their reliability over time. They won't use the latest, greatest multi-core CPU.
If I were an astronaut and I saw a C64 w/ cables and shit hanging out of the back as the device responsible for sending me hurtling through the atmosphere, I would quit my job immediately.
AFAIK you are not an astronaut so you won't need to quit. When you would be an astronaut you would know that you have to use the equipment they provide to you and that it would be tested in-depth to be sure it fulfills the military specs.
greets,
Staf.
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What NASA needs is anything but state-of-the-art. For mission critical projects they will only use parts that are made with a stable process and that has proven their reliability over time. They won't use the latest, greatest multi-core CPU.
I seem to recall they used radiation-hardened PPC running at around 33MHz for many of their recent probes.
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I seem to recall they used radiation-hardened PPC running at around 33MHz for many of their recent probes.
Actually I think it was slower than that.
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Actually I think it was slower than that.
You're probably right, I think 33MHz was the upper limit even: Info here (http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/documents/bae_publication/bae_pdf_eis_sfrwre.pdf) (PDF document).
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Holy crap, it's tolerant to over 1M rad (10,000 Gy)...
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You're probably right, I think 33MHz was the upper limit even: Info here (http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/documents/bae_publication/bae_pdf_eis_sfrwre.pdf) (PDF document).
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Holy crap, it's tolerant to over 1M rad (10,000 Gy)...
What is a more beautiful thought (for me at least), is that once the Earth and human race have been destroyed by our dying sun... one of the few things that will survive is the odd little RCA1802 CPU that has faithfully powered the Voyager spacecraft for over 30years...
It could well be that the two Voyager's will be the only evidence of our ever having existed... It's like a gothic romance in it's beauty :)
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What is a more beautiful thought (for me at least), is that once the Earth and human race have been destroyed by our dying sun... one of the few things that will survive is the odd little RCA1802 CPU that has faithfully powered the Voyager spacecraft for over 30years...
It could well be that the two Voyager's will be the only evidence of our ever having existed... It's like a gothic romance in it's beauty :)
Well, it will survive, but the radiological thermocouple power supplies that keep them functioning will have long decayed past the point where the probe operates. Travelling at the speed they do, any chance meeting with a lump of Oort cloud debris (remote, but there is a huge thickness of it to traverse) would presumably leave only a slowly expanding shell of particles as the evidence of our ever having existed.
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Well, it will survive, but the radiological thermocouple power supplies that keep them functioning will have long decayed past the point where the probe operates. Travelling at the speed they do, any chance meeting with a lump of Oort cloud debris (remote, but there is a huge thickness of it to traverse) would presumably leave only a slowly expanding shell of particles as the evidence of our ever having existed.
Not quite as beautiful... but tragic none the less.. :-D
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Not quite as beautiful... but tragic none the less.. :-D
The Earth and our race with it (if we don't become properly space-faring by then) will have been killed off by the Sun long before it's epic final expansion. IIRC, within about 2G years, thermal output will have increased enough to heat the Earth to levels uninhabitable to all but the toughest extremophile micro-organisms anyway. Well, at least those that can survive in water vapour droplets, since we're talking about total evaporation of the oceans here.
That's assuming that the gradual changes of the inner planet orbits haven't resulted in a massive collision incident between any of them by then, either.
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NASA sends humans into space. They need state of the art technology. If I were an astronaut and I saw a C64 w/ cables and shit hanging out of the back as the device responsible for sending me hurtling through the atmosphere, I would quit my job immediately.
Yes, that was STATE OF THE ART. It was also dangerous, risky, and HOLY SHIT caliber to do what they did back then.. Theres alot better technology now. Lets use it, k? We don't need another Apollo 13 debacle because nostalgic zealots don't want to use new gear and would rather use Fossiltron9000 to send people to the moon.
I worked for the Cleveland Clinic. Its a pretty big deal, that clinic. They exist overseas. They're everywhere. They don't use low spec'd machines. Shit is top notch. It's like that for a reason. Cutting edge technology = success and efficiency. Good luck running patient databases on a Pentium II w/ 128mb RAM.
Or those real-time monitoring databases with alert software. Yeah that will go well.
"HOW DID THE PATIENT DIE?"
"WELL YOU SEE, THE AMIGA CRASHED BECAUSE WE DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH RAM TO DO A TRIPLE BYPASS SURGERY AND STORE ALL THE DATA IN REAL TIME AND THEN THE MONITORS FROM 1982 STARTED FLICKERING AND WE COULDN'T SEE HIS VITALS. WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE 286 RUNNING ALL THE OTHER GEAR WOULD WORK OUT BUT WIN 3.1 CRASHED. SRY"
No they're not. Sounds like you're just jealous your Amiga doesnt run youtube so well.
Yet again, you bust out the fail. What do you do when your Amiga isn't fast enough? YOU BUY MORE RAM AND ACCELERATORS. JUICE IT UP, GO GO GO.
The "if it isnt fast enough, upgrade" motto has existed since computers were made. Apple, Commodore, Amiga, IBM, all of them. Quit being a bigot. You updated your Amiga at least once when it needed more oomph, and you know it.
get out. I think there are chimps with higher levels of thought than you. :laughing:
QFSPE
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The Earth and our race with it (if we don't become properly space-faring by then) will have been killed off by the Sun long before it's epic final expansion. IIRC, within about 2G years, thermal output will have increased enough to heat the Earth to levels uninhabitable to all but the toughest extremophile micro-organisms anyway. Well, at least those that can survive in water vapour droplets, since we're talking about total evaporation of the oceans here.
That's assuming that the gradual changes of the inner planet orbits haven't resulted in a massive collision incident between any of them by then, either.
Ooooh, this is a cheery thread...
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Ooooh, this is a cheery thread...
Don't worry, I expect we'll have wiped ourselves out with an all-out global thermonuclear war and concurrent release of doomsday biological / chemical agents long before any of that happens.
In spite of which, life itself will go on. In the glacial, radioactive wasteland that ensue, deinococcus radiodurans will almost certainly live on along with a range of other unusually hardy organisms. After the dirt laden skies eventually clear, photosynthesis will pick up again. At least in those organisms that can withstand the new UV rich daylight. And in the hundreds of millions of years it takes sapient life to develop, you, I and the rest of the complex life that once inhabited the planet should have formed a nice new hydrocarbon resource for them to wipe themselves out over too...
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Look on the bright side though. Microsoft will die with us...
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Look on the bright side though. Microsoft will die with us...
Yay! Every cloud has a silver lining...
cue Karlos photoshopping an image of the death of Khan with Steve Balmers distended face pasted in...
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Yay! Every cloud has a silver lining...
cue Karlos photoshopping an image of the death of Khan with Steve Balmers distended face pasted in...
No time. Will this do?
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/ffffuuuu.jpg)
Btw, photoshop? What do you think I am, a graphic designer or summat? :lol:
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No time. Will this do?
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/ffffuuuu.jpg)
Btw, photoshop? What do you think I am, a graphic designer or summat? :lol:
Photoshopping the verb, not the application ;)
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What NASA needs is anything but state-of-the-art. For mission critical projects they will only use parts that are made with a stable process and that has proven their reliability over time. They won't use the latest, greatest multi-core CPU.
AFAIK you are not an astronaut so you won't need to quit. When you would be an astronaut you would know that you have to use the equipment they provide to you and that it would be tested in-depth to be sure it fulfills the military specs.
greets,
Staf.
You ever been in their research labs and crap? They're not exactly using vintage equipment...some of it may be a few years old, but its still "new".
Alot of the things done at NASA are using state of the art gear. Maybe the probes aren't, but a tonnnnnnnnnn of stuff is. Go there and see for yourself, they give frigging tours of some of the research places ffs.
same with the government itself. You think they're running the country on some VIC-20's or something? No. They aren't.
QFSPE
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How so? If all you are going to do is quote it and say its stupid without a reason, then well, you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about.
Some of it was exaggerated for effect, and if you missed that well... then.. yet again, you're stupid, and don't know what you're talking about.
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You ever been in their research labs and crap? They're not exactly using vintage equipment...some of it may be a few years old, but its still "new".
Alot of the things done at NASA are using state of the art gear. Maybe the probes aren't, but a tonnnnnnnnnn of stuff is. Go there and see for yourself, they give frigging tours of some of the research places ffs.
I was talking about the stuff they send into space not the compute equipment on the ground, e.g. the stuff an astronaut has to work with. For the latter they use the most cost effective, e.g. state-of-the-art equipment.
I live in Europe and did not have much contact with NASA. I am doing radiation hardened chip design for ESA (the European counterpart) though. We use 0.18um technology, not really state-of-the-art.
greets,
Staf.
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Isn't it hypocritical to put a modern huge hard drive in an amiga to allow you store audio in an inefficient format? If using modern hardware in a PC is so bad.
I never said anything about PCs being bad. Use whatever you want.
As for raw bitstream audio being inefficient, that's just not correct. It's the most computationally efficient way to do it, not to mention the best quality.
Storage is so cheap now that I can't understand why anyone would bother with compressed music on anything other than portable devices.
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Storage is so cheap now that I can't understand why anyone would bother with compressed music on anything other than portable devices.
Fast processors are so cheap that nobody bothers to write highly optimised code these days.
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Don't worry, I expect we'll have wiped ourselves out with an all-out global thermonuclear war and concurrent release of doomsday biological / chemical agents long before any of that happens.
In spite of which, life itself will go on. In the glacial, radioactive wasteland that ensue, deinococcus radiodurans will almost certainly live on along with a range of other unusually hardy organisms. After the dirt laden skies eventually clear, photosynthesis will pick up again. At least in those organisms that can withstand the new UV rich daylight. And in the hundreds of millions of years it takes sapient life to develop, you, I and the rest of the complex life that once inhabited the planet should have formed a nice new hydrocarbon resource for them to wipe themselves out over too...
On the last day nothing will survive.
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Fast processors are so cheap that nobody bothers to write highly optimised code these days.
Speak for yourself!
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I was talking about the stuff they send into space not the compute equipment on the ground, e.g. the stuff an astronaut has to work with. For the latter they use the most cost effective, e.g. state-of-the-art equipment.
I live in Europe and did not have much contact with NASA. I am doing radiation hardened chip design for ESA (the European counterpart) though. We use 0.18um technology, not really state-of-the-art.
greets,
Staf.
oh, I was talking about all the stuff in the research center like 10 minutes from my house.
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Fast processors are so cheap that nobody bothers to write highly optimised code these days.
HUH? You obviously haven't priced the latest Intel OR AMD CPUs! I also think you missed the mark with your comment about code. There are still some programmers who write very tight code, and are damned proud of it.
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oh, I was talking about all the stuff in the research center like 10 minutes from my house.
...where you hang out all the time to tell them what's what and sing the virtues of the PC Engine, amirite?
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...where you hang out all the time to tell them what's what and sing the virtues of the PC Engine, amirite?
where I had an internship, toured like 20 times, and have family that works there you mean?
uamrong.
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How's the food there?
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How's the food there?
aeronautic.
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(http://i.techrepublic.com.com/gallery/165725-500-666.jpg)
Mmm, Windows fudge.
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I usually just read, not really a big poster. But after reading this thread it appears some people are still stuck in the 80's/90's...
The Amiga is a great machine but to me it's just a hobby now. Working in a defence environment vintage tech would prove to be a big mistake.
If I could rewind time back to being a kid with my Amiga/C64 I would but in the real world time moves on.
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i usually just read, not really a big poster. But after reading this thread it appears some people are still stuck in the 80's/90's...
The amiga is a great machine but to me it's just a hobby now. Working in a defence environment vintage tech would prove to be a big mistake.
If i could rewind time back to being a kid with my amiga/c64 i would but in the real world time moves on.
fire the agnus missiles! The enemy ships are inbound.
We cant sir. The amiga is out of ram and the accelerator just blew out.
fall back on the breadbin defense mechanisms!!!!!
sir, we cant! The 1541 is misaligned and the program wont load, and hopkins just tripped and unplugged the supercpu. Its prolly broke now.
fools, what about the vic 20 shield pods?
sir, now youre just talking stupid.
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Modern computers never fail!
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Modern computers never fail!
I wish :lol:
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at least when they fail, you can cheaply replace the problem hardware with a few clicks on the googlemachine.