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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: my_pc_is_amiga on December 10, 2019, 03:50:34 AM
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Does WarpOS work with MMULib and 3.1.4 combination? I'm hitting into some issues and so wondering if there is some warpos env. settings I need to change?
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In the tools directory of WarpOS, there is a command called "showinfo" When I run this after MuGa is started in my startup, I get a crash. But if I do a "showinfo" and then startup MuGa, all seems to be okay. And running "showinfo" again after MuGa is started later it is okay as well.
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In the tools directory of WarpOS, there is a command called "showinfo" When I run this after MuGa is started in my startup, I get a crash. But if I do a "showinfo" and then startup MuGa, all seems to be okay. And running "showinfo" again after MuGa is started later it is okay as well.
This I think is a better capture.
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Adding a capture now with the warpos debug=3 option turned on.
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Can anybody reproduce this hit or is it just my system?
Basically, I'm enabling MuForce and MuGuardianAngel in the startup-sequence after setpatch and then once workbench is loaded, I execute the "showinfo" from the WarpUP distribution (though anything that opens powerpc.library I think will cause a hit).
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Sorry, I only bought one copy of 3.1.4 for my Minimig, the software license prevents me from buying more copies for my other Amiga systems, like my A3000/CSPPC/CVPPC. To get help, you may consider applying for the Hyperion OS3 beta tester team.
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Sorry, I only bought one copy of 3.1.4 for my Minimig, the software license prevents me from buying more copies for my other Amiga systems, like my A3000/CSPPC/CVPPC. To get help, you may consider applying for the Hyperion OS3 beta tester team.
What a nonsense. Nobody prevents you from buying another copy for another system.
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Are you suggesting I should just ignore the software license?
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Are you suggesting I should just ignore the software license?
No. Get one for the A3000, all is good. One license per system. (Not one per user).
Oh, you didn't ask that, right? Thanks for trolling.
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Are you suggesting I should just ignore the software license?
No. Get one for the A3000, all is good. One license per system. (Not one per user).
Oh, you didn't ask that, right? Thanks for trolling.
No, you are the one trolling here - I will not, and can not, accept the conditions stated in the license, so hence I can not buy it. It is this simple.
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No, you are the one trolling here - I will not, and can not, accept the conditions stated in the license, so hence I can not buy it. It is this simple.
You already bought one. So you accepted one. So what's the point here? Kolla, again, what's your problem?
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This has to be per copy I actually bought 3 licenses
2. Permitted Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to install and use the AmigaOS on a single computer at a time. This License does not allow the AmigaOS to exist on more than one computer at a time.
I assume there are some beta testers that have ppc cards.
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No, you are the one trolling here - I will not, and can not, accept the conditions stated in the license, so hence I can not buy it. It is this simple.
You already bought one. So you accepted one. So what's the point here? Kolla, again, what's your problem?
When I bought the one copy I have, the license was not presented to me at point of sale - it was only available inside the archive that I downloaded - a so called "shrinkwrap license" which by itself is not legal.
Hence I complained to the European Commission via their online dispute resolution system, Hyperion recognised the issue, and within a few weeks, the web site changed to its current state, where license is presented *BEFORE* sale takes place.
(Strangely, this is only the situation for OS 3.1.4, for OS 4.1FE the situation is still that no license is presented before point of sale - I guess because noone reported it yet)
However, the license itself is just as ridiculous as it ever was - for example it says You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the AmigaOS
a rather insane requirement.
Btw - during the dispute resolution, I learned why AmigaOS is priced as it is, it is right below the point where consumer disputes would much more risky for Hyperion...
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To bring back to topic this can be tried with 3.1 os/roms if you can kolla
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I was trying to see if I could narrow down where it is coming from but haven't yet.
I did try to load up OS3.9 with warpos with MuGa enabled before showinfo and there I haven't seen a hit yet.
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No, you are the one trolling here - I will not, and can not, accept the conditions stated in the license, so hence I can not buy it. It is this simple.
You already bought one. So you accepted one. So what's the point here? Kolla, again, what's your problem?
When I bought the one copy I have, the license was not presented to me at point of sale - it was only available inside the archive that I downloaded - a so called "shrinkwrap license" which by itself is not legal.
Hence I complained to the European Commission via their online dispute resolution system, Hyperion recognised the issue, and within a few weeks, the web site changed to its current state, where license is presented *BEFORE* sale takes place.
(Strangely, this is only the situation for OS 3.1.4, for OS 4.1FE the situation is still that no license is presented before point of sale - I guess because noone reported it yet)
However, the license itself is just as ridiculous as it ever was - for example it says You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the AmigaOS
a rather insane requirement.
Btw - during the dispute resolution, I learned why AmigaOS is priced as it is, it is right below the point where consumer disputes would much more risky for Hyperion...
Really, Kolla. I think you are being a drama queen about the license. Who cares what it says anyway? Does anyone really ever read the software licenses anyway? You buy one copy per each Amiga you have, that is fair and as it should be. Amiga OS 3.1.4 is not expensive. If you can afford to maintain and keep mupltiple different types of Amigas then you can afford to buy the OS for each of them. Set it up for any locale that you want, do you really think Hyperion is actually spying on you as (or cares) to what local or other settings you select? Do you really think Hyperion has any nefarious intent here? I can tell you they don't. They truely love the platform and want to keep seeing the software develop. If they didn't they would have been gone a LONG LONG time ago after all the BS lawsuits they have faced over the years (and continue to face). You should be enjoying this as your hobby and having fun. Excited to be able to have a very comprehensive bug fixed and updated version of Amiga OS 3.1, after what, 30+ years? I think it is great news, and you are nitpicking about things that really are going to have zero affect on you. Lighten up.
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So I you’re all saying I can just disregard the entire software license? I am fine with that, it’s a load of BS anyhow. Why would I buy more copies then? Not like I use more than one system at a time anyways. Also, who in their right mind would buy Os 3.1.4 now, when bugs only get fixed in 3.2, which will have to be bought again?
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So I you’re all saying I can just disregard the entire software license? I am fine with that, it’s a load of BS anyhow. Why would I buy more copies then? Not like I use more than one system at a time anyways. Also, who in their right mind would buy Os 3.1.4 now, when bugs only get fixed in 3.2, which will have to be bought again?
You could certainly wait until 3.2, if that is coming out? (I hope so). There could be a free update to 3.2 or a reduced "upgrade" price if coming from 3.1.4, I don't think we know yet.
The MorphOS team handles this situation differently. You can install MorphOS on as many machines as you want, you get a time limited demo before it slows down to almost being unusable. So you buy a keyfile bound to the mac address of your computer. That method seems to work, but that is never the way C= or even companies beyond C= like Escom etc. sold their OS's. They were either bundled with the computer or sold as separate paid products to existing owners of Amigas.
Hyperion could move to the keyfile model if they so chose. For me personally I don't mind to buy a copy for each of my Amigas (I'm down to two that support 3.1.4 - an A2000 and an A4000). More sales means more chances of furture updates and some of that profit will go to paying developers in the future. I bought 2.0 when it came out from C= and it was a massive update. 3.0 came with the A1200/4000, then 3.1 again was a paid update (exeption: A4000T/Escom 1200 - shipped with 3.1) if you already had an amiga, as was 3.5, and 3.9. So you are going to have to pay one way or the other. If you own 3.1.4 hopefully at a reduced price unless 3.2 is a massive upgrade which would justify a full re-purchase. And if you are buying 3.2 and already own 3.1.4 you are paying for the updates/fixes/changes, not re-buying what you already bought in 3.1.4, thus hopefully it will be at an "upgrade" price.
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Does ANYONE know if 3.2 is actually coming out? ;-)
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@HammerD:
Yes, it is being worked on. No point releasing it until it is ready.
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No point releasing it until it is ready.
That didn't stop 3.1.4...
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No point releasing it until it is ready.
That didn't stop 3.1.4...
That is great news! I have my 3.1.4.1 setup installed now and it seems to be very stable. Looking forward to 3.2!
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To bring it back to topic---has anybody with a PPC card on the classic been able to reproduce this hit?
I'm just wondering if it is my system, or something software issue related with WarpUp?
Can anybody reproduce this hit or is it just my system?
Basically, I'm enabling MuForce and MuGuardianAngel in the startup-sequence after setpatch and then once workbench is loaded, I execute the "showinfo" from the WarpUP distribution (though anything that opens powerpc.library I think will cause a hit).
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To bring it back to topic---has anybody with a PPC card on the classic been able to reproduce this hit?
I'm just wondering if it is my system, or something software issue related with WarpUp?
Can anybody reproduce this hit or is it just my system?
Basically, I'm enabling MuForce and MuGuardianAngel in the startup-sequence after setpatch and then once workbench is loaded, I execute the "showinfo" from the WarpUP distribution (though anything that opens powerpc.library I think will cause a hit).
Hi,
There is a thread at EAB were a lot of people are using WarpOS and MMULib with 3.1.4.
Beware that they are also hacking it to work on other PPC PCI cards using a Mediator. But that is probably the best place to look for support on WarpOS.
Latest posts seem to suggest that combo works fine.
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=76633