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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: XDelusion on April 07, 2003, 08:33:32 AM
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The Giana Sisters are returning, and there on the rag worse than before...
...I think that's where they got all there strength?
Anyhow the coders are looking for the guys who made the orginal, so they can get permisssion to release there sequal. It will be on the Game Park 32 (open source hand held), and the Sega Dreamcast among others.
I foget the link at the moment, but I got the news off dcemulation.com a few days ago.
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w00t! :-o :-o :-D
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He he. last time they released it, it was forced to be drawn back because of the mario resemblance. nice game tho' :-D
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What was the old C64 mario clone version called, I foget
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Ehm...
by XDelusion on 2003/5/3 13:05:25
What was the old C64 mario clone version called, I foget
Mario came after Giana Sisters...
Mario is a clone of Giana Sisters...
It's actually the makers of Giana Sisters who should sew Nintendo for stealing their game idea!
Think if they won... Then there wouldn't be a sh*t machine called Nintendo any more...
I hate that platform... :-x
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sh*t machine called Nintendo any more...
Hmmm....
PowerPC CPU with an ATI Radeon GPU...... remind you of anything? ;-)
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Im sorry but if i remember correctly and i think i do it was nintendo that sued the Giana sister guys wich got them to withdraw the game for both C64 and Amiga! but the game was already out and back then most guys having an Amiga/C64 used cracks wich is why the game got very good spread across the world.
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Its not ATI Radeon at all, its a totally different architecture, but it is made by ATI.
But Nintendo have always had really good games, so I don't understand why anyone would "hate" their systems.
Right, i'm off to play Super Monkey Ball :-D
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chrono trigger/super mario RPG/starfox/ super mario world... they reached their zenith with the SNES :P ohhh yeah
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SNES kicked ass! Super Street Fighter II wasted much of my youth!
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Nintendo has an unprecedented track record for
quality games and hardware in the industry, dont
know how anyone could not like them. "Giana Sisters"
was an attempt to clone "SuperMario Bros." on
several computer platforms, since Nintendo did not
produce games for computers. They were sued and
withdrew "Giana" from market, it still became
popular amongst computer users through widespread
"piracy" of the title. Giana sisters never really
competed with SMB in my opinion though, since it
lacked the physics and control, Mario could speed
up while the button was held and had real inertia
etc. that Giana sisters did not capture. In fact
one of the things nearly every platform style game
on computer systems lacked was that perfect control
and feel of inertia that Mario could capture...
Now off to play: "Zelda: The Wind Waker." and
"Ikaruga" :)
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Aaaaactually Super Mario Bros was released in 1985 and The Great Giana Sisters in 1987.
Mario was first, but Giana was better 8-)
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HEY, I found the link to the site with the sequal, it is also going to be on the Dreamcast and other systems, that is if they can track down the original authors and get permission to release it:
http://chn.roarvgm.com/
Please I know it ain't for Amiga, but E-mail them anyhow and let them know what you think about the whole idea.
I just saw a page where it said that the SMB clone was a Sprite hack to Giana Sisters, that is pretty kool. Has this been done to the Amjiga version, if so does anyone have it, or know how to do this sort of thing.
Giana blew Super Mario 1 away for the record. No you could not run, but that did not take away from the game at all, and the play mechanics were fine!
I am really looking foward to this sequal, and hope they release more.
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c'mon boys... Don't tell me you prefere a Nintendo for eg. a PS2? The Nintendo game titles are mostly for children, while PS2 titles aren't...
See my point now?
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c'mon boys... Don't tell me you prefere a Nintendo for eg. a PS2? The Nintendo game titles are mostly for children, while PS2 titles aren't...
I bought a GBA for my 4 yr old son last christmas. It's ace. The next one I get for him will be a GameCube. We can play the games together. Father/Son bonding time.
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sega dreamcast - are games still being released for this console? the last magazine closed over a year ago and there were next to no games in development back then. :-?
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I really hated Nintendo's back in the days, like any C64 users I guess. Last week I played both Giana Sisters and Super Mario Bros to compare, and now there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that SMB comes out on top as the better game. Miyamoto is the biggest game design genious there is. Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda! :-D
(Giana Sisters is still a great game though)
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LP wrote:
c'mon boys... Don't tell me you prefere a Nintendo for eg. a PS2? The Nintendo game titles are mostly for children, while PS2 titles aren't...
See my point now?
No I don't, the Gamecube has way better hardware than the PS2 and Nintendo makes better games than Sony. Just look at Metroid Prime for example, runs incredibly smooth at 60hz and looks way better than any PS2 game I have ever seen.
See my point now?
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I really loved the playstation when it came out... it was a blessing...cheap 3D for the masses... but I always loved Nintendo games much better...they had good 'titles' where Playstation had good graphics...now its not just titles/graphics it's also features... so you have the gamecube..it has good graphics, good titles, and bad features... the playstation2 has bad graphics, some good titles but not to many in my opinon...and great features... the Xbox has almost no titles... it has excellent graphics and loads of features....
I'm not buying any of them but if I bought a machine to play games it would be another nintendo...
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The sad thing is that Playstation2 wouldn't have become so big if it wasn't for Sony and their economical backup. In theory the Playstation2 wasn't at all the ultimate gaming console by any means. Hard to develop on, decent processor but less good graphic capabilites than say the Dreamcast.
If Sony would have been the ones to release the Dreamcast the world would probably have been greeted with better looking and smoother running games, and the developers would have had a marvelous and simple console to develop games on. Instead, the Playstation2 took the place as the best selling console and it is to me so illogical...
...but what to expect? The masses have never bothered about quality, just quantity, and thus the Playstation2 was the obvious choiche back then (and today to a lesser extent) simply because it had a larger game catalogue to offer (abeit the quality is obviously lacking in many titles, not to mention the horrid framerate in the oh so popular GTA - Vice City or the pathetic PAL conversion of Final Fantasy with black screen borders bigger than hell itself and a noticable speed loss).
The world works in mysterious, although extremely predictable ways.
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so you have the gamecube..it has good graphics, good titles, and bad features... the playstation2 has bad graphics, some good titles but not to many in my opinon...and great features... the Xbox has almost no titles... it has excellent graphics and loads of features....
What kind of features are you talking about here? Like the Playstation2 being able to play both music CD:s and movie DVD:s? The X-Box capable of doing the same?
Personally I do prefer a solid game-only system which is cheap and does what it is supposed to do in a good way. The Playstation2 has never done that according to me, and the graphics are really suffering due to the "not-so-extensively-implented" graphics effects one is being able to use with the graphics card inside the console.
The X-Box isn't really much more interesting as a gaming console, to me at least, 'cause it is all but a success in Japan and playing fast-paced-FPS I do prefer to do on a extensive PC-system. I mean, there isn't much power inside the X-Box... neither CPU nor graphics. It's a cheap end PC, more or less.
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...double posting. Weeeird.
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There is not any commecial software being released for the Dreamcast anymore that I know of, only the free stuff at sites like www.dcemulation.com
and
consolevision.com.
Legerdemain: You are hitting the nail right on the head when you talk about the PS2, it IS definatly an overrated piece of crap, and no the consumer does not care about quality, otherwise we would all be running Amigas instead of PC's and Macs, and we would live in a world we're people don't think that muti-tasking was something Bill Gates came up with in 95. :)
As for the XBOX, it is definatly better than the Gamecube, not only does the Hard Drive give it more capabilities than a non-hard drive system such as faster loading times, and more random events per level, costum musick, ect. But the crappy CPU is faster then the PS2 by FAR, and perhaps still faster than the Cube's PPC, though I am not totally sure on that part. On the other hand ATI could not compare graphically at the time, thus the XBOX does provide more polys per second, and has lighting effects, and other extra effects that did not exsist on any other graphic chips during the period these 3 systems were made. On top of all this the XBOX has double the RAM of the PS2, and about 20Mb more than the Cube, so you can not say a system with less RAM can pull off the same feats, in Sony's case you can't do a THING cause you are stuck with 4Mb video RAM, and on top of that there is no compression, which means you are going to use that 4MB up QUICK, which is somethign the Dreamcast was good at, it had 8Mb video RAM with compression to boot which basically means the Dreamcast could infact pull off quite a number of stunts the PS2 will NEVER do! :)
I am not saying the Cube sux though, I am just saying the XBOX is the best bang for the buck, ecspecially once you mod it.... :)
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Yes, I do so see your point here. But, I still can't help feeling that I yet haven't seen anything (?) that have impressed me on the X-Box... when compared to a fat PC it doesn't do much, and overall I think the lack of games and the quite often crappy programming of the games that makes them lag so tremendously much (I do prefer a game that run at a stable 15 FPS than a game that runs at 60 FPS but then suffers from these -20 FPS slowdowns at an annoyingly frequent rate... Halo, for example, isn't really the most pleasurable game to play if it is smoothness one wants) makes it for me an uneccessary investement.
I think of the X-Box more like a possible little cheap computer to install stuff on and run as a server... play around with Linux, emulators and stuff on. But, in the end, I guess it is a matter of taste. Besides, I wouldn't want to support Microsoft to the extent of buying the console (yeah, maybe second-hand, since no money is going back to them then).
Oh well.
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back on topic:
(http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/scans3/giana.jpg)
why is this stuff on the net? :-)
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i invested in a ps2 in december 2001... it was ok at first but i havent touched the thing in months. i think i will sell it and take a break from consoles for a while. none of them look particularly great from what i can see. the sega megadrive had to be one of the best games consoles ever..the games were fantastic. i did own a dreamcast (did i already say that?) which was very good fun.
of course the amiga had some cool games too :-D
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Some cool games? SOME COOL GAMES!?!
If I recall correctly, Amiga had THE coolest games.
And I agree, Dreamcast got killed off by those blithering ignoranuses, who waited and waited for the PS2 to come out. Rather than buy a then superior Dreamcast. Too bad, we all lost in the end. We could have had a 4 horse console race today.
As for the PS2 vs Xbox vs Gamecube. I think that GameCube is the most original out of the three, but suffers from the kiddy appeal factor. Not many adult gamers consider the Gamecube for this very reason. Altho I do find Super Smash Meelee refreshing. Expect this to be their last console tho. Otherwise we will be lucky to see one more effort for 2004/5 but no more after that. Nintendo looks shaky at best these days.
Quite sad really, the day nintendo dies. We will be left with only microsoft and sony. And after one of them fails (most likely Sony) we will only have m$. And that will be a day of mourning for all of us. The day the true consoles giants died. M$ may be technically superior, but it just feels so labored, it is a console without soul. And being an Amigan who resents m$ for killing alternate computer platforms. I will most likely leave computing and gaming for good when that day finally arrives.
Unless of course Amiga rises again like the proverbial Phoenix it is! And heralds a new wave of gaming bliss.
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Unless of course Amiga rises again like the proverbial Phoenix it is! And heralds a new wave of gaming bliss.
And you'd get better odds at the bookies on the Pope turning Muslim! ;-)
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For the note...
... I bought my XBOX used, and have not purchased a single game aside of Jedi Knight, and Red Faction 2, and I WILL MOST CERTAINLY buy DOOM 3 for it, because I am a DOOM collector. I simply could not live with myself if I supporte M$. :)
As for the system being souless, ya I agree, the Sony always felt that way to me too, I am not sure why, but both these systems feel somehow...
...un-cute? Not like a cool techy toy? The SNES, Turbo GFX, Sega CD, ect. They had some sort of kool appeal to them, perhaps because of the expansion slots? I am not sure. I love the GBA adaptor that the Game Cube has though, now that is kool as is the E-Reader! Though I am a man of low income, so I use the XBOX A: Because it is easy to MOD and copy games onto, B: It also works as a computer. C: It lets me relive ALL of my favorite classics on one unit.
As for Halo and other games being choppy, and poorly programmed, I'd say definatly not more than any other system. It depends upon the game. Halo played smoothe as hell and had the best loading time for a HUGE game that I have EVER seen. I really can not wait to see what they do with part 2.
I wonder how soon this Giana Sister's sequal is going to be till it comes out? It has beena while since I 1st heard about it. :/
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the commodore 64 had the most innovative and unique game IMHO
there was some STRAAAAAANGE stuff on the 64! :-o
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I wish they would bring it to the GBA. I recently bought me Wings for it and it is great. one of my favorite games at that time and now in my palm. :)))
They should convert all those cool (great) old games to the GBA.
Unfortunality i don't have a dreamcast.
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Look at http://www.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~sinsch/DownloadGianaWorlds.htm for the original version on the pc. This isn an enhanced version that really looks like the one I saw in your link, but these guys can use the name. They contacted the original creator. So I think the ones in your link are fake and made a conversion without asking first.
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the commodore 64 had the most innovative and unique game IMHO there was some STRAAAAAANGE stuff on the 64!
What do you mean 'was'? A kind soul just gave me a bunch of C64 stuff and I can assure you that it is STILL here, plugged into my sony trinitron 32" 100hz widescreen tv where it belongs :-)
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
Oh, and it makes a nice addition to the livingroom as well, blending in nicely :)
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What is that about nintendo looking shaky, btw? Do you have any sources? I am not trying to flame you, I would just like to know, since I think Nintendo rocks (though I have never bought ANYTHING from them, because I would never in my right mind pay 50usd for a lame console game back in the days). My friend has a gamecube and that is one cool machine. Games supporting widescreen and surround and the 'worlds' it makes you play in some games, very large, very pretty, very non-static and very non-lagging.
Oh, I think I forgot to mention that my friend has no tv, so guess where his gamecube is placed. Poor sucker :)
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup
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Sega Megadrive games are the best still and nothing out there i have seen even comes close to Streets of Rage 1,2,3 and i am glad emulators are around for Megadrive because it offers the ability to save the game at any point and other goodies like being able to play MD games online using netplay what comes with Gens.
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i think the only system it was made for that is actually missing, unlike the c64, amiga, and amstrad cpc and atar st i think, is the zx spectrum version. it was made, and was reviewed and given a very high rating in a spectrum magazine, problem though i think is that it wasn't released along with the other versions and before the law suit, so it's locked away somewhere and no one has it, except maybe for a few lucky half dozen in the world, like the creators and the people at those magazines who got a copy to review. id like to get in touch with the original authors myself and see if they would donate it to the world of spectrum. damn. :-(
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Look closer at the pics from the PC version and the GP32 version, there is NO WAY this is fake dude, that PC version is crap and does not even have near the graphical quality of the GP32 version. Just look at the amount of detail and colors man, it is simple and plain to see.
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Hello,
Sorry this thread is pretty old, I hope you don't mind if I reply to it anyway :-)
I'm the programmer of "Giana's Return" so I can tell you, this is not a fake. I've been struggling to get the permission from the original author of the game, and a few weeks ago, I finally got it. I've also been in contact with the authors of Giant Worlds, and I am allowed to use their graphics. At the moment I'm working hard to finish a first version for the GP32 and shortly after that for the Dreamcast. It's possible that other systems will follow. I'm really looking forward to releasing it, one year after starting the project.
The game will be available here:
http://www.gianas-return.de/ (http://www.gianas-return.de/)
It will also feature levels designed by Kojote (http://www.pdroms.com/) and music by Alexander Oldemeier and me.
If you're interested in my other projects, have a look here:
http://chn.roarvgm.com/ (http://chn.roarvgm.com/)
See ya :-)
Chris
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giana sisters ROXX on c64 ...amiga version was OK but not as good.
beyond that i really liked mario 1 and 2 , the 3rd wasnt as fun....and i hated Mario64 , and sunshine wasnt much in my opinion.....
i like oldschool stuff :D
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it would suck if amiga didnt get this game!!
chn! port it ...
NOW!
:)
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Also people, remember that the ps2 is much older than both xbox and gamecube, it is starting to get outdate, was good when it came out..
I still like it though, loads of good games, now with the latest modchips, you can even play xvid/divx with even ac3! I think that is pretty good for such old console... You can even legally use it as a computer running linux.
But yeah, gamecube has much better gfx and such, due to it being newer... I hate the choice of media they choose though, why i did not get a gamecube instead.
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You can even legally use it as a computer running linux.
PS2 is officially classed as a computer according to Sony who have just won a court case. It seems that the reason Sony released Linux for the PS2 is so its freely programable which in turn makes it a Computer and not a games machine which means Sony pays lower taxes to import/export the machine.
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lempkee,
I will try and port it to the Amiga when the GP32 and Dreamcast versions are out. The problem is, the best Amiga I have is an A4000/030 with 17 (or so) MB RAM, Retina Z3 and 170MB harddisk. The game needs a 66MHz CPU to run well, and an 8bit linear frame buffer to render its graphics into. I hope the Amiga version of SDL offers that...
Anyway, I'll try it :-)
/chris
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chn: ok , if its SDL then no prob , but atm we have only a slow sdl port for 68k , but chaozer is still working on warpsdl which should be alot faster + support for PPC cards etc , there is a mos version allready which runs ok.
(chaozer will do 68k,ppc,mos and os4 versions of warpsdl)
so as long as you do it for SDL , then it will work on amiga , but it wont work on slower ones that good i guess, but i guess that can be tweaked over time.
let us know how the project goes and please post some news on here from time to time :D
thanx