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Title: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: TheMagicM on October 17, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
So christmas is coming up.  I'm buying a 1080i tv for myself (LOL) and want to get my son a XBox 360 or a PS3.

If I have 2 games, they are the same one for each system, which will have the better graphics?

If I dont care about blue-ray, which system is better for my son?
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: jj on October 17, 2007, 03:33:57 PM
At this present moment in time Xbox 360 wins hands down.

Personally I dont really see that situation changing , thought it might.

I could list the reasons, but im sure they will get listed throughout the course of the arguemnts about to start on this thread  :-D
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: Crom00 on October 17, 2007, 03:36:25 PM
360 seems to have the current edge. A bigger games library, wider acceptance due to the 3 skews, and 1 year headstart. PS3 may make a dent this year with the $399 skew but be advised you have to get the 80 gig PS3 for backwards compatiblity where the XBOX only required a hard drive. Another option is getting the 20 GB model PS3 off ebay. IT's cheaper and has the full backwards compatibility. That's what I did and it's great.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: roguebeck on October 17, 2007, 03:38:48 PM
I think the xbox360 right now seems to be the winner based on the games I've seen.

The games look so good that I'm thinking of junking my only Windows PC that I have, since it's only used for gaming anyway.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on October 17, 2007, 04:08:45 PM
I have also been thinking xbox 360, but now I doubt.
Because of the red ring of death, which seems to occur quite often. Also, many xbox games will be released on the ps3 sooner or later.
Just the technical problems make me doubt.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: arnljot on October 17, 2007, 04:10:23 PM
Who said amigians are anti microsoft fanatics??

All who have spoken so far have spoken mostly in favour of the 360.

First off, I own an PS3.

Then, this is what I've read about the objective merrits of the two:
360: Good memory, DVD only for games. Yes it sports the HD-DVD but it will not now, or ever(?? can't understand why they say this) use HD-DVD for games

PS3: 7 cores, each 3.2 ghz. Good gpu from nvidia. Blueray for games and movies. But only 256 MB ram for the cpu, and 256 mb ram for the gpu.

So always when publishers that use both plaforms speak this is what they repeat. It's getting increasingly difficult to publish games for the 360 as the dual layer DVD gb limit is tight. This is no problem with 25GB and 50GB blyerays, and the future 100GB blue rays.

Memory: This is a dream on the 360, and you rarely get stuttering graphics, popups or tearing. Which you will find now on some games on the PS3 (most noriously the nfl08 or some sports game on ps3).

Even if coders learn how to do propper memory management, it seems to me wierd to think that 256MB RAM (512 total) is kick ass for the next 3-5 years.

For sure the 360 has the greater library of games. Hands down. But surely this will change. With the new low price SKUs Sony can't be far away from critical mass.

So which one do you want?

I can't tell you. But having access to the 360(friend) and the PS3 (mine). To me it came to a choice of gut feeling and lifestyle.

I have Ubuntu feisty fawn installed on it, and I'm trying to get E-UAE in and MythTV. Not because it's usefull - I have my MediaCentre PC that does that. But because it's great fun.

Games wise I love to play Buzz(PS2), Dirt and HEavenly Sword. Also to have Sprint downloaded legally from the PSN store along with Superstadust HD gives me a warm fuzzy feeling too :)

But I was close to buy a 360. Since the previous model got hacked so thourghouly and gave a lot of mame and uae fun for users everywhere.

But I have a PSP, and it interfaces so nicely with my PS3 (I can play my music on my DLink NAS 323 on the airport via the PS3, and see my photos etc).

So ask around. Try them if you can.

PS, 360 has a killer online community. PS3 is promising "Home", but it's delayed...
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: jimmyboy on October 17, 2007, 04:17:35 PM
I too have spoken to many X360 owners and they all complain about the same thing. Red ring of death just after warranty has finished.  :cry:  However most PS3 owners complain that the PS3 versions have the same graphics due to lazy programmers. :-? I would go with the PS3 for the blu-ray and free online gaming.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: Gav on October 17, 2007, 04:24:51 PM
Well i was always a sega/sony fanboy but now i own a 360 and i only bought it because of the choice of games compared to the PS3 aswell as the price diffrence at the time.

Much better selection in my opinion and me and my two brothers all have the white 360 and not one of them has had the ring of death...But even if they did i dont care because microsoft has extended the warranty to three years now anyways.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: swift240 on October 17, 2007, 04:30:43 PM
Ok as a matter of interest what about the graphics?

What is the better?

What is more versatile?

Penny for penny what is the best as to what it has?

What is the more reliable?

Is the games base the best thing to go for, as the PS3 is getting under way next year more so than this year.


Mike.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: TheMagicM on October 17, 2007, 04:35:30 PM
yea.. swift240's questions are what I'm interested in also.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: Shamus_ on October 17, 2007, 04:42:41 PM
I like the XBox and the only reason being is that it's easy to have modded. Aside from all the emulators and other great stuff you can dump on it, XBMC is hands-down the best media player available on any platform. Bonus: If you're lazy like me and can't quite stretch the necessary 6 inches to reach the XBox remote (or the missus has hidden it on you again), XBMC comes with its own webserver - meaning that you can play/stop/start media files from a web browser on your laptop or any other networked machine. XBMC also has hundreds of Python scripts to access web-tv, shoutcast and other goodies. It's a great piece of software.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: jimmyboy on October 17, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
The PS3 has more power under the hood, free online gaming except the big mulitplayer games. Fully functional web browser unlike the X360. It plays:

Memory Stick Audio Format(ATRAC)
MP3(MPEG-1/2 Audio Layer 3)
MP4(MPEG-4 AAC)
WAVE(Linear PCM)
WMA
Memory Stick Video Format
- MPEG-4 SP (AAC LC)
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC Main Profile (AAC LC)
MP4 file format
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
MPEG-1 (MPEG Audio Layer 2)
MPEG-2 PS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AAC LC, AC3(Dolby Digital), LPCM)
MPEG-2 TS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2)
AVI
- Motion JPEG (Linear PCM)
- Motion JPEG (μ-Law)
AVCHD (.m2ts / .mts
BD-ROM / BD-R / BD-RE
DVD-ROM / DVD-R / DVD+R / DVD-RW / DVD+RW
JPEG (DCF 2.0/Exif 2.21 compliant)
TIFF
BMP
GIF
PNG

With obvious growing support. Im gonna get one soon for the frontroom instead of a windoze entertainment box.

Look here. (http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/index.html)
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: g7syj on October 17, 2007, 04:59:08 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
nasty :-o
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: DonnyEMU on October 17, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
I would just say your posting covers graphics and audio formats, however one really big thing Xbox 360 has going for it, is XBox Live.. There are over a million subscribers that you can get online with chat with and play games with.

Plus the Xbox Live video and music store, like iTunes, but runs on the 360 gives you access to TV shows movies (including HD). All in downloadable broadband format right to your 360 hard drive. It also works with Windows Media Center to be a playback unit for your windows media center pc DVR..

There maybe more computing power in the PS3, but the experience (and I have had opportunity with both) leaves something to be desired for overall entertainment value, unless playing DVDs and HD DVDs and games is all you do.

Nothing like a game of Halo with your friend off at college in another state over the internet to keep the friendly rivalry going, and to laud your scores with your gamer card over them.. he he..

As for technical problems with the 360, this seems to be only with the original units. To remedy this Microsoft has upped the warranty on all 360 units retroactively to a year. Usually if they unit fails during this time it will be replaced for free. If the unit is gonna fail it's during the year warranty anyway, so this problem has been solved. Most of the problems were with overheating by owners who never turned their machines off.

Also Microsoft launched the higher-end Xbox 360 Elite with a bigger hard drive and HDMI port which don't have these issues and a Halo 3 branded one. Both haven't had reports of these issues.

It's a good console guys, give it a break.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: jorkany on October 17, 2007, 05:05:52 PM
For the original poster, you should probably try to find out which games your son is most interested in. If most of the games are available on both platforms though, then you still have a quandry.

For myself I got a 360, mostly because so far only one or two games have cropped up on the PS3 that I'm even vaguely interested in, aside from games that are also available on the 360. Plus, not one single other gamer I know has a PS3, so not sure who I would multiplayer with if I had gotten one! I've never been sitting around thinking: gee I wish I had gotten a PS3.

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I have also been thinking xbox 360, but now I doubt.
Because of the red ring of death, which seems to occur quite often. Also, many xbox games will be released on the ps3 sooner or later.
Just the technical problems make me doubt.

FWIW, Microsoft has finally admitted that this is a real problem and it affects every 360 that was made, at least up to a certain date. Google around for details, MS claims to have fixed the problem and newer 360s should be okay. I myself have a 360 which could be affected by the red ring at anytime, which doesn't make me happy but at least now that MS admits that it is their problem I'll be able to get it fixed if it ever occurs. BTW, I've had my 360 for over a year now with no problems.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: hooligan on October 17, 2007, 05:06:00 PM
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TheMagicM wrote:
If I have 2 games, they are the same one for each system, which will have the better graphics?

If I dont care about blue-ray, which system is better for my son?


Better graphics? What about better GAMES
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: kd7ota on October 17, 2007, 05:28:13 PM
I am really surprised on alot of the posts here. I remember before the release of the 360, most were sure that the PS3 was going to be a success.  :lol:

But I will not get into detail how many promises Sony broke.  Amiga Inc. does the same trait.  :-D


Xbox 360 will give you more of a greater gaming experience no doubt.  Xbox Live makes it really good if you ever wanted to go online and play some great games.  If your not even into playing games online, kick it over to Xbox live arcade.  :-D


As far as reliability, people seem to have ran into the 3 rings of death.  My brother has had his xbox since January of 2006, and the xbox still works like a charm, and he plays it alot since the release of Halo 3.  :-)  So to be sure, just make sure you got warranty on the 360, I thought some had a 1-2 year warranty.

As far as graphics, 360 does them amazing.  PS3 was by any means not impressive. Heck, I remember playing that offroad game on the ps3, and the first thing I noticed was the flat polygon people and the two polygon grass lol, and I didnt even go in to play and pick out the small things, it was that noticeable.  PS3's online experience is dull. I remember their claim to be better then Xbox Live! lol. Its been many months, nothing yet.  :-)

Lazy programmers or not, its probably hard to make games for the thing. I remember when Metal Gear Solid 4 was suppose to be a ps3 only exclusive, and a year later, already going to be chance for a 360 release.  :-)

But anyways, My vote is strictly 360. Unless you want a barbecue grill, buy the ps3.

(http://globalnerdy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/playstation-3-grill.jpg)
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: cv643d on October 17, 2007, 05:37:41 PM
Im no hardcore gamer but its quite obvious PS3 is the new Sega Saturn. Avoid Avoid Avoid unless you are a gaming dork who plays games in japanese to get the 'pure hart-core gaming experience' even though u dont know any japanese language.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: Louis Dias on October 17, 2007, 06:06:32 PM
ah, just buy a Wii...
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: Nickman on October 17, 2007, 06:24:23 PM
I have the Wii60 combo (Wii+Xbox 360). This is cheaper then just a PS3.. That was the selling point for me.

Hell the lowend 360 (Arcade modell,256mb memcard,HDMI) is even cheaper then the Wii now.

I think i will buy a PS3 in the future if the price goes down and there is some games that i want to play. Right now there isnt a single PS3 exclusive game that i want to play :( and i will never buy a PS3 if i cant get one that plays PS2 games. (never owned a PS2 and would like to play some of the games on that console.. But i dont want YET another console under my TV)


Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: amigakid on October 17, 2007, 06:33:03 PM
Xbox 360 hands down.  Sorry but Halo3 Rocks and games for it are way more than PS3.  
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: MskoDestny on October 17, 2007, 06:56:32 PM
Hardware wise, the two are probably pretty evenly matched. In theory, the PS3 has a more powerful CPU, but taking advantage of the extra power in the context of a game seems to be challenging. The 360 has a more modern GPU design (unified shader architecture), but seems to be similar in terms of raw power to the one in the PS3. The memory structure on the 360 is a bit more developer friendly.

So far the storage difference doesn't seem to have been a huge deal. There are quite a few games on the PS3 that are bigger than the 8 or 9 GB that will fit on a single DVD, but it's unclear how much of that is out of necessity and how much out of using less compression. So far the only games that have spanned multiple discs on the 360 had excessive amounts of pre-rendered video (something that has gotten less common now that in-engine cut scenes no longer look like crap).

Cross-platform games tend to look about the same graphically so far, but at the moment the 360 has a much better selection of good games than the PS3. Unless Sony pulls off a miracle this Christmas, I expect this trend will continue.

As far as value for your dollar is concerned, it largely depends on what's valuable to you. If you're primary interested in a gaming machine, it's hard to beat the new bundles that are coming out (may already be out, not sure) for the holiday season. There's the Arcade Bundle at $280 (only $30 more than the Wii) which comes with a 256MB memory card and 5 Live Arcade games (smaller games normally sold through the XBox Live Marketplace for $5-$15), though there seems to be some confusion as to whether or not these are full versions or demos. Then there's the Pro which comes with a 20GB HD, Forza 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance for $350.

The $400 PS3 is finally within striking distance of the 360 Premium/Pro. The complete lack of PS2 compatability is definately a minus for the sytem, but if you want a Blu-Ray player it's a good deal assuming there are games you want for the PS3.

As far as video playback is concerned, the PS3 supports more formats, but the 360's support is less anemic than it used to be. The 360 currently supports h.264, MPEG4 (but not DivX), and WMV formats.

Reliability has been a big issue on the 360 until recently. Seems there was a design flaw which resulted in a large percentage of units overheating usually resulting in the dreaded "Red Ring of Death." It would appear that this has been fixed in newer 360s, but no one will be 100% sure until these units have been around for a while. The good news is that the warranty for RRoD issues is now 3 years and 1 year for all other issues. If your console breaks, total turn-around time from when you call tech support to getting a new console is about a month with no shipping costs passed on to you (Microsoft ships you a pre-paid shipping box to send your broken unit in).

My vote would be for the 360.

Disclaimer: I am the owner of a 360. My 360 broke under warranty and was replaced.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: leirbag28 on October 17, 2007, 07:06:45 PM


Ahhh, I finally have proof that people here dont get out much.  At least here in USA.

Here in USA PS3 is killng the X-Box 360.   its no argument that the PS3 (Not because its winning) has more going for it.

it has PS3, PS2, and PS1 games for starters.   I know you said   "what if it didnt have Blue Ray"  but it does!  and its got freakin UBUNTU Linux and Yellow Dog (Nuff Freakin said")

PS3 is the NEW AMIGA!  this is going to be my replacement once I seel my AMiga stuff...........that is unles PS4 comes out by that time.

X-Box has a Few Extra good games yes..........but there are so many more for the PS3..........I mean heck............its practically what the Amiga was back in its day..........a Full Multimedia device.

Im always one to want ONE device that does everything so that I dont need 5 seperate units lying around my house. isnt his why we now buy LCD screens? because we dont want the clutter?  well I dont want some stupid HD-DVD crap hanging out of my X-Box if I had a choice.  Its like what the SX-1 is the the SX32 on the CD32.

WHen you get a PS3 and see it in action when you pop in a Digital Camera memory card and it does the slide show.........you will be hooked. Its presentation is nice.................You should see how COOL Lemmings is for the PS3!

PS3 has a brighter future than X-Box. And BlueRay is beating HD-DVD here in USA

Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: giZmo350 on October 17, 2007, 07:09:11 PM
Concerning Linux on the PS3, this seems amazing!

The PS3 is a powerful box....

Astrophysicist Replaces Supercomputer with Eight PlayStation 3s (http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/10/ps3_supercomputer)
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: jj on October 17, 2007, 07:21:07 PM
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WHen you get a PS3 and see it in action when you pop in a Digital Camera memory card and it does the slide show.........you will be hooked


ummm wii does that
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: kd7ota on October 17, 2007, 08:09:16 PM
PS3 beating 360 in the USA???

I dont know, but everyone I know either has a Wii or a Xbox 360.  About 1 friend I know owns a PS3, and he is playing his friend's xbox 360 most of the time.

BluRay is not that popular either.  I dont know a single person owning BluRay movies.  Most still buy plain DVDs anyways.

I like to think BluRay as Beta and DVD as VHS as far as comparing the popularity.  :-D

I about died laughing when I seen in Walmart when the PS3 was showing how superior a Bluray movie looked compared to a DVD  :lol:

Yea, have them compare it to a HD-DVD, then there would be no difference.


But anyways, in the longer run, you will be happier with the quality of online play and game library.  Even if you chose PS3, good luck.  I havent heard much action for that side of the game. I would rather play a Playstation 1 since alot of awsome games were made for that.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: MskoDestny on October 17, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
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leirbag28 wrote:


Ahhh, I finally have proof that people here dont get out much.  At least here in USA.

Here in USA PS3 is killng the X-Box 360.   its no argument that the PS3 (Not because its winning) has more going for it.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the NPD sales numbers. In the US, the 360 has had a substantial lead over the PS3 in units sold every month since the PS3 has been released and has a huge advantage in installed base both because of the larger sales while they were both on the market and the head start.

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it has PS3, PS2, and PS1 games for starters.

Not the new $400 40GB version. Backwards compatability has been removed to cut costs (though the more expensive 60 and 80GB versions still have this).

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I know you said   "what if it didnt have Blue Ray"  but it does!

I'm not sure exactly who you're referring to here so feel free to ignore this if it's not me, but I never said anything about "what if it didn't have blu-ray." Not everyone cares about blu-ray and if you don't, it doesn't really add much to the perceived value of the system.

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and its got freakin UBUNTU Linux and Yellow Dog (Nuff Freakin said")

But the GPU can't be used from Linux.

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X-Box has a Few Extra good games yes..........but there are so many more for the PS3..........

Err, like what? There are a few decent exclusives out like Heavenly Sword and Resistance, but nothing I would consider a must have. Meanwhile there are a bunch of great games that are either 360 exclusive or 360 and PC only like Gears of War, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Bioshock, Halo 3, Eternal Sonata etc.

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WHen you get a PS3 and see it in action when you pop in a Digital Camera memory card and it does the slide show.........you will be hooked. Its presentation is nice

My 360 does a nice little slideshow with my digital camera too, though I can't compare the presentation between it and the PS3 since I haven't seen the PS3's slideshow capabilities.

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PS3 has a brighter future than X-Box. And BlueRay is beating HD-DVD here in USA

I think I'll wait until the winner is clearer. Sales for both combined are still an insignificant drop in the bucket compared to DVD
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: amigamad on October 17, 2007, 10:03:40 PM
I don't know about the us but in the uk the xbox 360 has a far wider and larger range of games and the xbox 360 is far outselling the ps3.In the uk we now get 3 years warranty on a new xbox which if i was buying a console would sway me towards the 360 .One of my workmates bought a ps3 and tried to get his money back the following day but because he opened the box they would only offer him 200 pound so he is keeping it, I am not sure why he wanted to get his money back but it could be because he likes driving games and not shoot em ups or fps style games .More choice on the games front might be better for your son though I am not an expert on consoles i like my pc .
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: hooligan on October 17, 2007, 10:09:58 PM
Without taking sides wheter xb or ps is better, I will stay neutral and say Wii seems to suck big time. Crappy games, crappy looking games, controllers are kids toys (made of hardened foam with nothing inside?). And on top of that, the most important thing: how GAY you look playing wii-games :-/
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: oddmario on October 17, 2007, 10:32:55 PM
I have all the major consoles, so my advice (if you only can buy one) is.
Take the 15 most interesting games that you can find, then look at what you need to play them.
My current favourite console is the Nintendo DS. Last console games i enjoyed was Zelda Twilight Princess,God Of War 2,Super Paper Mario.
Currently playing Half Life episode 2.

Long story short, buy games first, then what you need later.
Title: Re: XBox 360 vs. PS3
Post by: stefcep2 on October 18, 2007, 01:49:02 PM
A mate3 of mine works at EB games and say sone in three xbox360's fail within 6 months...