AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

Well that just Prime

DAMMIT EVEN I PRIME LEFT AMIGA. ITS NOT AMIGA ANYMORE. Dam misleading,  misinformation from Amiga inc .,  and their cronies have killed off Amiga. Although, the topology  and  Ideas still live. The core Amgia people are the ones that dont kiss ass and  know what to do, and we are doing it.
Thank GOD Amiga is going BANKRUPT :-P  :-x  :-D

 :-D

[olegil]

Couple of facts for the idiots:

The "AmigaOne" doesn't have a soldered on CPU. The "AmigaOneG3-SE" does. I've actually played with an "AmigaOneG3-XE" that _didn't_ have a soldered on CPU (the fact that it booted Linux in Gothenburg with no effort whatsoever should be a hint as to how long it'll take before they're on sale :-D ).

I've decided I want one so badly I'm saving money for it as we speak :-P


So please, no more "soldered on CPU" talk, ok?

Oh, and Rose is mislead when it comes to the number of CPU's in the XE. It's 2, not 3. outstanding requests != number of processors. Rose, bad girl! :-)

On the other hand, a dual G4 should be plenty of juice for most applications.

Oh, and "oh for crying out loud. Is Shawn back out of the loonie bin?". God damn.

does the 'AmigaOne' that people will recieve for their pre-order money have a solderd on CPU? if so that's what i meant.

Shawn is back from the loonie bin

and he's pretty funny

[Kronos]

he fact that it booted Linux in Gothenburg

Just prooves that MAI has send a working proto of there TeronPX (MK2)
to Eyetech, big deal !

with no effort whatsoever should be a hint as to how long it'll take before they're on sale

How long has it been since the TeronCX bootet Linux for the 1st
time ? How long since Alan annouced the CX-MK2 aka A1.5 aka A1-SE ?

Alan had been very clear from the start that the "XE" would only be
produced if the actual sales of the SE were good enough to justify it.

A1-SE (without OS4) is planned for December, but sales will be pretty
low till OS4 runs on it (and when that is gonne happen is everyones
guess). So when will the "XE" be produced in numbers ?

[amigamad]

i want an amiga one but the Pegasos is also looking like a good alternative but i want os4 if i had the money id buy both.  :-D

[DaveP]

"A1-SE (without OS4) is planned for December, "

Where do you get this one from? #morphos?

I dont see you on the a1g3 dev list Kronos.

[Kronos]

@DaveP

Well December is what has been said on that finnish show, and
that it won't come with OS4 at that time is just common sense based
on what has been shown sofar by Hyperion.

The December date isn't really important, but the date when OS4 runs
on it. Following Alan's  statemnets about the XE its pretty obvious
that it will be relaesed well after OS4 is out.

[DaveP]

@Kronos

I don't think you can really base much on what you have seen so far.

From my own knowledge ( and I cant back this up with publically available facts ) there are just two things standing in the way of AOS4.0 being completed for A1G3.

OTOH Hyperion have said December, Alan has said December. We can be cynical about those dates as much as we like.

Perhaps we will also see a non beta MorphOS and Pegasos by December too.

@those that claimed that the Teron CX has been "working for two years"

Really? You don't know much do you? Being in existance != working - as we have seen with the Pegasos which still is not working to the level of bug free reliability that Thendic wants.

[Kronos]

@DaveP
Publically known facts:

Christmas is only 2 months away.
Producing the CD and boxes does take some time.
Hyperion haven't even shown a working alpha on a CS_PPC (emphasis on PPC).
Big project NEVER work by just putting some (tested) pieces together.
Decent betatesting of "the real thing" does take months (thats what MOS is doing
right now).
Hyperion are not the kind of guys that would keep something working hidden
esspacially not in a competetive situation. Hyperion has been talking about
OS4 in December, and it has been quite a while since Ben talked about OS4_4_A1
in December.

A somewhat working alpha running on exactly one A4000-config is the best I would
expect to see in Aachen (early December).

Well the TeronCX HAS existed some time before the A1, and it was even running
Linux. Removing a few HW-bugs and replacing parts with newer models is  good,
but not really exiting.

The Pegasos_HW in the mATX-version has been working since allmost a year,
and had reached final status this summer. It's the SW (MorphOS/Ambient/BIOS)
that are not 100% consumer-ready.

[DaveP]

"Christmas is only 2 months away."
Oh sh!t Ive got presents to buy.

"Producing the CD and boxes does take some time."
4 days.

"Hyperion haven't even shown a working alpha on a CS_PPC (emphasis on PPC)."
To the public.

"Big project NEVER work by just putting some (tested) pieces together."
Duuh thats why you have integration testing.  ;-)

"Decent betatesting of "the real thing" does take months (thats what MOS is doing
right now)."
Well depends, if it has been betatested in a sandbox
to a level of component reliability and everyone was working to the same spec then there is a good chance that the only task left is integration testing and bug testing.

"Hyperion are not the kind of guys that would keep something working hidden
esspacially not in a competetive situation. "
Speculation and not fact.

"Hyperion has been talking about
OS4 in December, and it has been quite a while since Ben talked about OS4_4_A1
in December."
Its been a long while since Ben talked about anything in public other than navel gazing with trolls over minute technical details on ANN.

"A somewhat working alpha running on exactly one A4000-config is the best I would
expect to see in Aachen (early December)."
You may be right. You may be wrong. I don't expect to see a production quality MorphOS in December in the same way as I didnt expect to say it in May ( prior deadline ) or in February ( prior deadline ) or....

"Well the TeronCX HAS existed some time before the A1, and it was even running
Linux."
Oh yes, it ran Linux but how well and for how long? Anyone else remember?

" Removing a few HW-bugs and replacing parts with newer models is good,  but not really exiting."
But makes a significant difference. You earlier stated that migrating 68k to PPC means that you have a big testing effort ahead of you and bug extraction ( paraphrased but that was the import. I put it to you that the upgrade caused a similar testing effort and if you were on the A1G3 mailing list you would know yet more.

"The Pegasos_HW in the mATX-version has been working since allmost a year,"
According to Thendic it has been bug ridden and unreliable. In their so called "press releases".

"and had reached final status this summer."
Hmmm so "working" has a low burden of proof when
its the Pegasos? Final status -> removed most of the problems.

" It's the SW (MorphOS/Ambient/BIOS)
that are not 100% consumer-ready."

Oh so MOS have not got a reliable BIOS then? ;-)

One up for Hyperion and the lads behind PPCBoot.

You see none of this helps anyone. Lets stick to the FUDBUSTER as its pretty good.

[Kronos]

@DaveP

It's beginning to get funny  :-P

The Peagsos-BIOS is quite reliable, but just not 100% finished.
Same could be said about PPCBoot.

In the past months Ben has made some pretty odd statements of what
we should expect in the 1st OS4-release.

Like:
"I won't hold it back because of a missing driver for the on-board-audio"

O.k. no prob since the AMR is still vapor anyway  :-P , but on-board
sound did work on the old MOS-beta I've tested in Bremen.

"Drivers for the Radeon won't be in the initiall release"

Guess what card was installed in Bremen  ;-)

He even talked about delievering a non-FPU-68k-emu !
(yes I know that won't happen)

Looks like both sides have a somewhat differnt opinion on what is
a beta and what is a consumer release.

The priot MOS-deadline were still based on the (stupid) idea of using
an AmigaOS-WB, and a full OS including WB-replacement has been
announced for late 02 since mid 01.

[The_Editor]

Ole-Egil said

Oh, and "oh for crying out loud. Is Shawn back out of the loonie bin?". God damn.

Someone remarkably similer to Shawn was spouting off about Pegasos in Cheetachats Computer forums the other day !!

Silly Bugger !!     Shawn,  The only people in that forum are those that cant get their printers  etc to work under XP.   :-D

Theres NO way you could've had a decent argument with them about the "Merits/Shortcomings" od ANY O/s cos they dont have a clue !!

Now if you had changed into the "Linux" Rooms ..

They'd have ripped your head off and Sheet in your neck !!  :-o

There ARE quite a number of knowledgable people in those forums who ARE watching the progress our new Mobos are making (Both Pegasos & A1).

[DaveP]

@Kronos

Yeah,

"The priot MOS-deadline were still based on the (stupid) idea of using
an AmigaOS-WB, and a full OS including WB-replacement has been
announced for late 02 since mid 01."

The first part I agree with and is an interesting insight.

The second part hmmm... not according to Thendic but then they don't have much credibility with me either. Slightly less than Mr Hermans ;-)

[Kronos]

@DaveP

The "late 02" statements on the "Mosbench" (Ambient) have been
made long before Thendic got involved, and I'm sure you could find
them if would take the time to search through the ann.lu-archives.
Thrusting me on this is the easier method  :-D

But if you do, you might also find out that my "conversion" was based
on two things: MOS dropped the plans for using AOS-WB, and OS4 went
from "any suitable HW" to "any licenced and dongled HW".