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Title: apple great desing
Post by: kickstart on September 15, 2012, 02:43:26 AM
Sorry this is not amiga related or computer related... but at this ages of apple saying that others copied their products, apple show a ipod with dessing too similar to a Nokia Lumia and no one will say that apple copy, just because they are apple, so sad.
Title: Re: apple great design
Post by: amiman99 on September 15, 2012, 04:51:25 AM
They do look the same, maybe Nokia can sue Apple now?

That's why design patents should not be granted, just look at the flat screen TVs, they ALL look the same.

Few years back I saw 2005 KIA Sorento SUV, then one day I saw exactly same car with Mercedes logo and it was the M Class. Both look exactly the same.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 15, 2012, 06:21:18 AM
First of all i am going to state i am anti Apple and pro Samsung. In fact seeing my Blackberry is about to giveup on me i am thinking about getting the new Galaxy s3 next week. Maybe.

But i am going to defend Apple in that Samsung did copy Apple and are right to take action against them. The green phone icon through to the pinching for zoom in/out is out right theft. Samsung deserve to be sued. They should be innovative and do something original.

Pyromania is a poo poo face.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 15, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
You forgot to do your homework and see who Nokia nicked the design from in the first place.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Linde on September 15, 2012, 09:04:52 AM
Quote from: Kesa;708182
First of all i am going to state i am anti Apple and pro Samsung. In fact seeing my Blackberry is about to giveup on me i am thinking about getting the new Galaxy s3 next week. Maybe.

But i am going to defend Apple in that Samsung did copy Apple and are right to take action against them. The green phone icon through to the pinching for zoom in/out is out right theft. Samsung deserve to be sued. They should be innovative and do something original.

Pyromania is a poo poo face.

Yeah, while the iPhone is COMPLETELY ORIGINAL and made up out of the blue by designers who were raised in a closed-off environment not to get any impressions from the world around them.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: TheDaddy on September 15, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
So funny teasing Apple...  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwFgqwzFDU

"IFhone Cincooooo"

"Bullsh**! It's the same phone as before"

"Not true,it's got a new power cord"

"We switched the dock up arbitrarily, so I hope you like buyin' new accessories"

"Plus the screen's two millimiters taller, that's gotta be worth at least 400 dollars!"

"I have a turtleneck for you!"

:D
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 15, 2012, 10:21:21 AM
Quote from: Kesa;708182
First of all i am going to state i am anti Apple and pro Samsung. In fact seeing my Blackberry is about to giveup on me i am thinking about getting the new Galaxy s3 next week. Maybe.

But i am going to defend Apple in that Samsung did copy Apple and are right to take action against them. The green phone icon through to the pinching for zoom in/out is out right theft. Samsung deserve to be sued. They should be innovative and do something original.

Pyromania is a poo poo face.


Anyone that took 5 minutes to read the Apple vs. Samsung case file will tell you outright that Samsung bold faced ripped Apple off with their first Android phones.  They were dead knockoffs, admittedly so by upper management at Samsung.  Things have changed drastically since those days, and Samsung are now building very nice, distinct phones.  I am curious if anything will come from the LTE patents that Samsung holds in regards to Apple in the near future, though.  All in all, about all these lawsuits do is stifle innovation and piss the consumers off, it's essentially mutually assured destruction.

That being said, I switched to a Galaxy S3 from my iPhone 2 months ago and I really like the thing.  My only gripe is the crapware on it I can't get rid of - I really prefer the vanilla Android experience, and the third party ROM's for the S3 to get a vanilla ICS install aren't quite up to snuff yet.

I still do prefer the Apple marketplace, though.  I dislike using credit cards for app purchases, and Google Play store gift cards are not available in my country yet, where as iTunes cards can be bought at any gas station/convenience store around.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: CritAnime on September 15, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
I am not anti-apple nor am I a fanboi but I do like some apple products. Namely the iPod classic. but I have to agree that its a bit dodgy that apple can botch about people using their designs yet can seem to get away with using a similar design to another company.  But people will buy their products regardless.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: gertsy on September 15, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
I like eggs. Even the famous iPod was an idea nick:
1.  LCD Display MP3 Player
2.  Circular Jog Shuttle controls.
Diamond Rio 1998. Granted not very elegant.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Crom00 on September 15, 2012, 02:50:57 PM
It's ok when apple steals. Just ask xerox. The galaxy s3 is awesome I have one with the mhl adapter, Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, connected to a 42" LCD tv. Great for movies and games. You can pair wii controllers and ps3 controllers although I have not tired that. Android has a great range of reto emulators. The Amiga emu is lacking and needs more development.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 15, 2012, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: gertsy;708218
I like eggs. Even the famous iPod was an idea nick:
1.  LCD Display MP3 Player
2.  Circular Jog Shuttle controls.
Diamond Rio 1998. Granted not very elegant.

I actually have one of these. I bought one when i was 15 i believe. They came with 32MB and upgradable to 64MB for about an extra $250. Dodgy software though.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 16, 2012, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Crom00;708220
It's ok when apple steals. Just ask xerox.

Glad somebody mentioned that.
Apple designers are SO original.
Get off it.
This is the company that sued the Beatles (even though the Beatles logo predated the start of their company).
 
Apple's intent is about market control, not competition or intellectual property rights.
In this regard they should be seriously chastisied.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 16, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Apple Corps (The Beatles label) sued Apple Computers, Apple Computers did not sue The Beatles/Apple Corps.  First suit was in 1978.  Apple Corps sued Apple Computers several times over the years, with one or two settlements in there from Apple Computers.

Apple can be chastised and berated for a lot of things, but the statements above simply aren't factual, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Akiko on September 16, 2012, 12:28:58 AM
Almost everything in my house is Samsung, laptop,TV to microwave, but when it comes to tablets they are rip off merchants and I hope Apple prevails.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 16, 2012, 03:48:48 AM
Quote from: Duce;708283
Apple Corps (The Beatles label) sued Apple Computers, Apple Computers did not sue The Beatles/Apple Corps. First suit was in 1978. Apple Corps sued Apple Computers several times over the years, with one or two settlements in there from Apple Computers.
 
Apple can be chastised and berated for a lot of things, but the statements above simply aren't factual, lol.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

I stand quite corrected. Thank you (great use of reference material - btw).
 
As to tablet design (not phones), many elements go back (once again) to PARC designs which could not be relized at the times.
 
Apple strip mines other company's ideas.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 16, 2012, 04:01:03 AM
I don't deny that Apple borrow ideas from other companies but it is important to note that the definition of innovaton means value must be added to existing resources already available in the economy. Sure, mp3 players have been around for while but what made the ipod different was that it had increased in value at the end of the transformation phase. In other words, it made a profit which other mp3 players before it failed to do.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 16, 2012, 05:04:24 AM
Quote from: Kesa;708289
..it had increased in value at the end of the transformation phase.

You sound like one of my economics professors, Kesa.
 
Can you tell me exactly what makes the iPod stand out above all other mp3 players? I've never owned one and can't really see any unusual features except for iTunes.
 
In which case, its the marketing model, not the device that has added value (uh, I went to school too).
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 16, 2012, 05:27:35 AM
Quote from: Iggy;708292
You sound like one of my economics professors, Kesa.
 
Can you tell me exactly what makes the iPod stand out above all other mp3 players? I've never owned one and can't really see any unusual features except for iTunes.
 
In which case, its the marketing model, not the device that has added value (uh, I went to school too).



When MP3 players came out, the Ipod was crap but the competition was ****e? :)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 16, 2012, 05:57:42 AM
Quote from: runequester;708293
When MP3 players came out, the Ipod was crap but the competition was ****e? :)

Actually, isn't it facinating that they've managed to convince us to pay for a reduced quality format?
 
Man we must be stupid.
 
But, then, many of us keep buying Apple products.
 
I actually have some music stored on one of my players in .wav format (doesn't take up that much extra space).
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 16, 2012, 06:01:01 AM
Quote from: runequester;708293
****e? :)

btw - what the heck does that mean?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 16, 2012, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: Iggy;708292
You sound like one of my economics professors, Kesa.
 
Can you tell me exactly what makes the iPod stand out above all other mp3 players? I've never owned one and can't really see any unusual features except for iTunes.
 
In which case, its the marketing model, not the device that has added value (uh, I went to school too).

HAHA! I actually majored in economics at uni. So i have all the concepts still running around in my head.

I too have never used an ipod because i always thought they were over priced compared to everything else. Besides i already had one. The ipod is no different to any other mp3 player but what made it different was the way you uploaded files onto it. My Rio Diamond pmp300 came with software that turned out to be only a trial to see if you like it. They actually expected you to spend money on something you already owned just so you can use it proper! The software was crap anyway. Wankers...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: lsmart on September 16, 2012, 07:23:31 AM
Quote from: runequester;708293
When MP3 players came out, the Ipod was crap but the competition was ****e? :)

The first generation iPod actually is the best of all MP3-Players ever released! It even outshines todays offerings from any company. It had only 4 flaws:
1) It wasn't designed for heavy duty outdoor use, like offroad biking
2) It wouldn't fit your entire music library
3) It was formatted in HFS+
4) It was expensive - like crazy!

It had the perfect user interface. Did its job well and was open to be used as a harddrive. It was small enough to be taken everywhere. The battery would last through an entire multi-volume audiobook and then some.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 16, 2012, 08:44:06 AM
The absolutely terrible software offerings of the non Apple MP3 players doomed them.  You were lucky if you could even get music onto your brand new MP3 player in those days once you got it home.  There was really no diskmode, just a janky trialware SW app that rarely worked.  I owned a Creative Nomad 20 GB model before iTunes came out for the PC, and while it was a great MP3 player, the software made it nearly unusable.  I spent $100 on third party apps to get my music onto the damned thing and it was still like jumping through rings of fire.

They were beyond crap, and I assure you, the first version of iTunes itself was pretty crappy and it was stunning compared to the competition.

Was always curious what would have happened if Jobs had got his way and had kept iTunes Mac only for longer than it was.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 16, 2012, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: Duce;708308

Was always curious what would have happened if Jobs had got his way and had kept iTunes Mac only for longer than it was.

Why would he want that?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 16, 2012, 10:23:07 AM
It's quite well known Jobs fought the Windows version of iTunes tooth and nail.

His theory was that the iPod was so great and since it was Mac only for quite a long time, both products would feed the larger Apple machine.

If people lusted after the iPod, they would in turn purchase a Mac just in order to own an iPod.  In the Jobs bio, sounds like he clued in eventually and realized that the single digit market shares the Mac has/had was not going to suddenly balloon to 90% market share just because their MP3 player was so much better that the competitions.

I tried every MP3 player under the sun, and found all the software that came with them to be complete crap.  That still wasn't enough to make me want to buy a Mac just so I could own an iPod, but I did pick up an iPod once the Windows version of iTunes launched.

I've got a lot of gripes about the way Apple has always done business, but it simply cannot be underestimated how great of a solution the iPod and iTunes combo was when it hit Windows vs. the other products.  It was just so, so much better, warts and all.  Only other MP3 player I even liked remotely as much as the iPod/iTunes combo was the second gen Zune, and unfortunately the one I bought died about 8 weeks after I bought it and MS refused to warranty it, despite the fact the hard disk in it outright packed it in due to no fault of my own :/

I still however despise the locked down, walled garden iTunes ecosystem.
I recently got a Galaxy S3, and went to transfer all my old iPhone media to it, only to find that all my purchased books were entirely DRM'ed from Apple.  Ended up torrenting un-DRM'ed versions just to be able to use them on the Android device, which was inconvenient and I shouldn't have to be forced to essentially steal things I already paid for once.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Thorham on September 16, 2012, 12:06:55 PM
Apple just plain old SUCKS. Hope they rot in hell.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: lsmart on September 16, 2012, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Thorham;708322
Apple just plain old SUCKS. Hope they rot in hell.

Yeah, in a way Apple is just like Microsoft, they just don' t care about anyone who is not them and consequently alienate everyone who is not a diehard supporter.

The sad thing is, when you looked at Apple at the end of the Gil Amelio aera, you'd think they changed for the better. But Apple is still a hardware company who just happens to make their own software, because they are not satisfied with anybopdy elses. They wholeheartedly take the money from their customers, but they don' t expect them to use the computer for anything clever or original.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: toRus on September 16, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
I confess that I am less anti-Apple than I am anti-Microsoft, anti-Intel, anti-Samsung, anti-HTC, and a whole bunch of other lame companies. Their fanboys do not understand that copycat also means that you rely on others to innovate in products and marketing, then rely on others' success to promote their lame unoriginal product portfolio. There is no denying that Apple is good at marketing but they do make innovative advances on the ideas they "borrow". Lesser companies would either use their monopolistic power to enforce crap products to customers (like M$ has mostly done) or wait for companies like Apple to "come" with an idea, spend lots of money on R&D AND marketing on it because they believe it is good and THEN try to steal from the already successful model (like Samsung does).

Nevertheless, I will always be an Amigan first so I do not really care if all of these companies including Apple rot in hell. But I can understand an Amiga user/enthusiast that now uses Apple products, what I don't understand is Amiga users bashing everyone when in fact they have using Wintel computers as their machines for more than 10 years now while there were clearly better alternatives elsewhere.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Karlos on September 16, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: toRus;708337
...what I don't understand is Amiga users bashing everyone when in fact they have using Wintel computers as their machines for more than 10 years now while there were clearly better alternatives elsewhere.


I have a Windows install for gaming, because like it or not, that's what it excels at. The rest of the time that I use x86, I do do so with linux.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 16, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: Iggy;708299
btw - what the heck does that mean?


Shi'ite?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 16, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
Say what you like, those Apple shares I bought around the turn of the century for $20 are making me consider my retirement plans....
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: AmigaMac on September 16, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
I'm anti-Samsung myself and have already told the wife that we need to rid ourselves of our old Samsung microwave (good excuse to get a new one, which she's all for).  Though Samsung obviously copied Apple a couple of years ago with their initial line of Android phones and tablets, I feel that Apple should just leave well enough alone and just keep on innovating and the imitators such as Samsung will have their day in hell.

Besides, Samsung should just pay the same thug money to Apple as they're paying to Microsoft (for undisclosed and questionable patents concerning Android) and it would never have gotten to this level of ridiculousness.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Karlos on September 16, 2012, 02:41:26 PM
Anti Samsung guys take note

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-13/samsung-supplies-apple-with-touch-screen-for-new-ipad.html
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Karlos on September 16, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: persia;708342
Say what you like, those Apple shares I bought around the turn of the century for $20 are making me consider my retirement plans....


With all the apple stuff you doubtless bought over the years, I bet you haven't even broken even :p
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 16, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
Good luck retiring with C= stock...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Karlos on September 16, 2012, 11:34:44 PM
Quote from: persia;708418
Good luck retiring with C= stock...


You must be tripping if you think anybody has that idea.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: pwermonger on September 17, 2012, 01:37:35 AM
Quote from: Kesa;708182
First of all i am going to state i am anti Apple and pro Samsung. In fact seeing my Blackberry is about to giveup on me i am thinking about getting the new Galaxy s3 next week. Maybe.
 
But i am going to defend Apple in that Samsung did copy Apple and are right to take action against them. The green phone icon through to the pinching for zoom in/out is out right theft. Samsung deserve to be sued. They should be innovative and do something original.
 
Pyromania is a poo poo face.

The green phone icon came from the buttons on pretty much all cell phones well before apple's iPhone. They either had a green button with white phone handset image, or colored the same as the other phone butons with green phone handset image. But, always green. Just as the button to hang up on all cell pones is red.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: AmigaMac on September 17, 2012, 02:22:19 AM
@Karlos

I know that Samsung is a component supplier to Apple, heck they also produce Apple's ARM CPUs.  Doesn't mean I have to support Samsung's brand beyond their components and beyond what's inside Apple's products!
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 17, 2012, 04:42:21 AM
Quote from: pwermonger;708430
The green phone icon came from the buttons on pretty much all cell phones well before apple's iPhone. They either had a green button with white phone handset image, or colored the same as the other phone butons with green phone handset image. But, always green. Just as the button to hang up on all cell pones is red.

The thing i don't understand is how Apple can put a patent on something that is a natural assumption. For example, red is accepted by everyone as meaning danger or at least something that should be taken more seriously, vice versa green is accepted as something positive by everyone. These are what i would call natural assumptions. I notice that traffic lights are the same colours all over the world. The same goes for features on the iphone, the green phone button and red hangup are both natural assumptions. How can you put a patent on that? It's like someone putting a patent on the order of the colours on traffic lights!

Also the same goes for the zooming by pinching. The pinching is something that anyone would automatically do to zoom in and out. It is a natural assumption. I don't get it.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 17, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
My iPhone has likely begun it's journey out of China sunday.  This is exciting!
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 17, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
I have an HTC phone with a bigger screen and faster CPU than an iphone, a Nexus 7 tablet, etc.

No Apple gear in my house.

Steve Jobs was an awful, awful person and there's no way I'd willingly and directly line his coffers further.

As an actual computing enthusiast there's nothing Apple has to offer me.  Despite stealing an open-source OS their works are closed up tighter than a snake's butt, both software and hardware wise.  Especially hardware wise.  Once upon a time, Apple made stuff you could tinker in and get expansions for.  But then, I dunno, around '84 or so Jobs took the brown acid and started turning out hermetically sealed computers and physically threatening engineers to tried to make the original Mac expandable.  Apple fired his child-neglecting ass and released the Macintosh-II and other systems with actual expandability.  Then he came back, slobbered all over Ive's Little Blue Toilet and the rest is history.

Fun facts: he demanded some expensive-as-hell motorcycle and piano be put on display in the main Apple campus supposedly as examples of great design (excuse me, desing) but the truth was the motorcycle was there because he broke the clutch cable because he didn't know how to ride a performance bike and he pushed it into the lobby in a fit of pique, then convinced himself he could be a piano virtuoso and when that didn't work out had the piano dumped there next to it.  As a matter of course he always parked in the handicapped spots next to the front door because, hey, "**** you I'm Steve Jobs".  Nobody in his entire ******* company had the guts to stand up for someone who might actually need the spot and call the cops to have him towed or even ticketed.

He raped Wozniak's ideas time and again, ripped Wozniak off, and once Woz hit a bad time due to his plane crash injuries Jobs actually physically threw him out of the company.  One of Jobs' first acts as Apple Dictator For Life (well...his life!) when he came back to the company was to end all contributions by Apple to various charities.

Jobs wasn't an ******* he was the ******* and I won't have a dime of my money directly going to his legacy.  Oh and before anyone says YEAH BUT HE WAS SUCCESSFUL AND WELL KNOWN THE WORLD OVER so was Charles Manson and that's not precisely what I'd consider admirable behavior.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: desiv on September 17, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
Why I really really like Woz:

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2012/09/13/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-samsung-patent-verdict-i-hate-i-dont-agree-it/

desiv
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: TheDaddy on September 17, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;708483
I have an HTC phone with a bigger screen and faster CPU than an iphone, a Nexus 7 tablet, etc.

No Apple gear in my house.

Steve Jobs was an awful, awful person and there's no way I'd willingly and directly line his coffers further.

As an actual computing enthusiast there's nothing Apple has to offer me.  Despite stealing an open-source OS their works are closed up tighter than a snake's butt, both software and hardware wise.  Especially hardware wise.  Once upon a time, Apple made stuff you could tinker in and get expansions for.  But then, I dunno, around '84 or so Jobs took the brown acid and started turning out hermetically sealed computers and physically threatening engineers to tried to make the original Mac expandable.  Apple fired his child-neglecting ass and released the Macintosh-II and other systems with actual expandability.  Then he came back, slobbered all over Ive's Little Blue Toilet and the rest is history.

Fun facts: he demanded some expensive-as-hell motorcycle and piano be put on display in the main Apple campus supposedly as examples of great design (excuse me, desing) but the truth was the motorcycle was there because he broke the clutch cable because he didn't know how to ride a performance bike and he pushed it into the lobby in a fit of pique, then convinced himself he could be a piano virtuoso and when that didn't work out had the piano dumped there next to it.  As a matter of course he always parked in the handicapped spots next to the front door because, hey, "**** you I'm Steve Jobs".  Nobody in his entire ******* company had the guts to stand up for someone who might actually need the spot and call the cops to have him towed or even ticketed.

He raped Wozniak's ideas time and again, ripped Wozniak off, and once Woz hit a bad time due to his plane crash injuries Jobs actually physically threw him out of the company.  One of Jobs' first acts as Apple Dictator For Life (well...his life!) when he came back to the company was to end all contributions by Apple to various charities.

Jobs wasn't an ******* he was the ******* and I won't have a dime of my money directly going to his legacy.  Oh and before anyone says YEAH BUT HE WAS SUCCESSFUL AND WELL KNOWN THE WORLD OVER so was Charles Manson and that's not precisely what I'd consider admirable behavior.



Made my day! :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 17, 2012, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: TheDaddy;708486
Made my day! :)

Thanks!

You're quite welcome.  I really, really don't ****ing well like Steve Jobs.  At.  All.  In a better world, Microsoft would have let them die in the 1990s.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 17, 2012, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: persia;708469
My iPhone has likely begun it's journey out of China sunday.  This is exciting!


How fun!  A lump of inert plastic made by wage slaves (literally, slaves) gets to leave an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship and come to a free society so you can be Mayor of Starbucks on Foursquare, and post Twitter updates from The Gap, meanwhile the people who made it at gunpoint get to make another 99,999 this month in a factory with bars over the windows and suicide prevention nets over the factory floor.

Go you!
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Thorham on September 17, 2012, 06:08:37 PM
Like I said before: Apple sucks, and I hope they rot in hell.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: pwermonger on September 17, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Kesa;708442
The thing i don't understand is how Apple can put a patent on something that is a natural assumption. For example, red is accepted by everyone as meaning danger or at least something that should be taken more seriously, vice versa green is accepted as something positive by everyone. These are what i would call natural assumptions. I notice that traffic lights are the same colours all over the world. The same goes for features on the iphone, the green phone button and red hangup are both natural assumptions. How can you put a patent on that? It's like someone putting a patent on the order of the colours on traffic lights!
 
Also the same goes for the zooming by pinching. The pinching is something that anyone would automatically do to zoom in and out. It is a natural assumption. I don't get it.

Notjust that green means start and red means stop, on cell phones way back before smart phones, on my old Treo phone, the call button was either green, or had a green handset. It is an accepted control on phones to have the button to initiate calls be green. Just like it is accepted for the steering wheel on a car to be round, for the brake lights to be red, for the gas pedal to be on the right and brake on left.
 
For pinch to zoom, Samsung is moving away from that with the SIII anyway. Place two fingers on either side of the screen and tilt the phone forward and back to zoom. Much better than pinch, move fingers, then have to reposition fingers and repeat over and over. You have the entire zoom range available in one motion.
 
This all is likely to be reversed (at least in part) in appeal. I have a feeling the jury foreman had as much to do with the verdict than the trial itself. Statements by Steve Wozniak seem to indicate even he thinks much of this will be overturned. O course, Apple went and tried to toss in some current phones like the SIII that look nothing like the iPhones.
 
Samsung likely tried to make their early smartphones look similar to iPhones, sure. Before that similar to Blackberres. But then the Motorola Q looked very similar to a blackberry. Some layouts for things just make sense and if its what consumers want, and is familiar to them, then thats what you make.
 
This is all corp silliness, meanwhile Samsung makes chips and displays for Apple, and Apple continues to use Samsung as a supplier. Money, makes the world go round.
 
Apple seems inclined now to go into a 'maintenance mode' as a lot of corporations with a highly sucessfull product do. Protect your product, make little tweaks to it, try to keep customers hooked on it (or simply unable to go elsewhere). This is where Blackberry was. Where Palm was. Where Commodore was with the 64. Where Atari was with the 2600.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on September 17, 2012, 06:44:25 PM
next: Braun sues Apple? (http://visual.ly/braun-or-apple)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: paul1981 on September 17, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: Speelgoedmannetje;708497
next: Braun sues Apple? (http://visual.ly/braun-or-apple)

Let's hope so.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 17, 2012, 07:20:06 PM
I'm really glad they took the idea from XEROX. XEROX would not do anything with that and evolution would be delayed. I'm not a fan of Apple, but they did the same with iPODs, touch-screen phones, digital music distribution and software distribution. I could even say that Jobs did all that, not Apple. Now Apple will live from Jobs legacy for a while just incrementally boosting specs of what they already did until they became too expensive and arrogant to compete with the others just like what happened back in the early 90s.
In my opinion Microsoft will prevail once again. Google needs a new "good" CEO and Facebook's fate is ORKUT...

:)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 17, 2012, 07:54:14 PM
Good luck young lads, the fate of the economy of the Free World depends on you!

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/384985/20120917/apple-iphone-5-pre-orders-shipping-china.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/384985/20120917/apple-iphone-5-pre-orders-shipping-china.htm)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: kickstart on September 17, 2012, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: Thorham;708493
Like I said before: Apple sucks, and I hope they rot in hell.


Yes... apple sucks but the bad part is all this people that buy these products just for "be cool", and none of them blame apple for copy or sell overpriced compuers, bad quality mp3 players or cellular phones as if they had invented the mobile phone.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Fats on September 17, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
Quote from: toRus;708337
I confess that I am less anti-Apple than I am anti-Microsoft, anti-Intel, anti-Samsung, anti-HTC, and a whole bunch of other lame companies.


I just like my 75EUR Samsung Pocket smart phone (non-subsidized!); good replacement for my not-so-smart phone. It can text and call people so it is OK; it even can do GPS which is a plus and in the next year I can even try to get AROS running on this thing.
Up to now Apple hasn't produced a phone that is in my range of money I want to spend on such a commodity.

greets,
Staf.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Linde on September 17, 2012, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: toRus;708337
Lesser companies would either use their monopolistic power to enforce crap products to customers (like M$ has mostly done)

Oh, so you mean I didn't HAVE TO install iTunes on my PC to be able to register an account to purchase software for my phone or transfer music to it?

I guess I come across as very anti-Apple in this thread, but I use OSX for development at work daily and I love it. It just strikes me as more Apple-like than Microsoft-like to try to herd its users into using the same software and centralized distribution systems.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Linde on September 17, 2012, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: AmigaMac;708344
I'm anti-Samsung myself and have already told the wife that we need to rid ourselves of our old Samsung microwave

That's just pathetic brand tribalism and irresponsible consumerism to boot. Why don't you put your keyboard in that microwave oven and set it to 10 minutes?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 17, 2012, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Linde;708513
That's just pathetic brand tribalism and irresponsible consumerism to boot. Why don't you put your keyboard in that microwave oven and set it to 10 minutes?


C'mon guys, can't we discuss with ARGUMENTS! Instead of pure stupid passion?
A guy was saying that a non-smartphone is enough... Right, just like an old guy from the 80s saying that Amiga was bull**** and a typing machine was enough.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: lsmart on September 17, 2012, 10:09:10 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;708483
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Steve Jobs was an awful, awful person and there's no way I'd willingly and directly line his coffers further.


I don't think you are doing the man justice. Steve Jobs was no villain. While he certainly wasn't particularly nice to many people, Wozniak wasn't one of them. Jobs was a positive force in many situations, because he didn't accept any authority. So neither IBM nor the MPAA could scare him. The iTunes motto "Rip, Mix, Burn" would never have happened under a more cautious person. Steve wanted the computers to be perfect. If he bought a computer, he didn't want them to be expandable, because he didn't want to buy accessories or expansions. Everything had to be inside the box from day one. He just couldn't think of anyone to really want something else.

Steve was often misunderstood and misquoted, but he also trusted in the opinions of some people, whom we wouldn't and had a way of not thinking about the things that many of us find hard to accept. But I have to give the man credit: he pushed technology forward into the spotlight, that might have been ignored for the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 17, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
The market made justice to Jobs. He was an idiot, but that does not remove the fact that the guy was a game changer for technology.
Only a small group of individuals still don't see that. Why? Because they once we're right and now, they refuse to learn new stuff and keep fighting for unknown reason. That's quite common in ppl around 40's like us.
Reminds me this:
Quote
A group of scientists put five monkeys in a cage, and inside it, they placed a ladder with a bunch of bananas. When one of the monkeys climbed up the ladder to get a banana, they hosed the rest with ice-cold water.

After a while when a monkey climbed on the ladder, it got beaten up by the others.

Later on, none of the monkeys climbed up the ladder to get the bananas, then the scientists replaced one of the monkeys.

The first thing the new monkey did was to climb up the ladder; the rest beat it up right away. After a few beatings, the new monkey did not climb on the ladder at all.

The same thing happened with a second new monkey. The first substitute participated gladly in the beatings. A third monkey was changed with the same results. The fourth and the last one were finally substituted.

Then the scientists had five monkeys that never had been hosed with cold water, yet, they beat up any monkey that tried to reach the bananas.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5RjunTUQHEE/SfzTJgeFo7I/AAAAAAAAEFo/rySkYi-6Og0/s400/macacos.jpg)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 17, 2012, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: lsmart;708534
I don't think you are doing the man justice. Steve Jobs was no villain.


Yes he ****ing well was.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Thorham on September 17, 2012, 11:52:36 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;708521
A guy was saying that a non-smartphone is enough... Right, just like an old guy from the 80s saying that Amiga was bull**** and a typing machine was enough.

A non-smartphone is enough for me. I don't even take the phone I have anywhere (except to work, and only so I can call them if I get delayed on my way there), I only have it so I can make calls from home when I have to.

Old fashioned? No, I just don't care about having a mini tablet computer with phone functionality built in.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Digiman on September 18, 2012, 06:32:05 AM
Quote from: Iggy;708282
Glad somebody mentioned that.
Apple designers are SO original.
Get off it.
This is the company that sued the Beatles (even though the Beatles logo predated the start of their company).
 
Apple's intent is about market control, not competition or intellectual property rights.
In this regard they should be seriously chastisied.


So how about those bastids Microsoft? Surely the worst thing to happen to computers since 1994 when Commodore went belly up. Rip M$ to shreds into tiny companies. 360 consoles, Kinect division, MS Office division, MS Games studios, OS development division and force each to run on it's own ISOLATED profits not from the profits for that putrid sh1t Windows which got an illegal monopoly and the limp wristed courts did not punish them enough for.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 18, 2012, 08:09:46 AM
Sorry to break it to you guys but i am seriously comtemplating buying an iphone5 next week when they come out. My reasons are:

1 - I need a new phone. My Blackberry is about shot. It is 2G internet only (useless for internet), crap reception, broken buttons, cracked screen, annoying design flaws, Etc.

2 - I have decided on either a Samsung Galaxy s3 or an iphone5. Tough one. But i think i am leaning over to the iphone. Here's why:

I'm sick of everybody dissing Apple for everything. Today i watched on Youtube comparisons between the Galaxy 3 and the iphone 4s and then read the comments below. It's all filled with hate comments against Apple. I can't decide who is worse, the Apple fanbhoys or the haters? I think at the moment there are definitely more haters than lovers of Apple. If you ask me it's getting a little tiresome. Mention Apple then the haters come flying in from all directions with abuse at the mere mention of Apple. I dislike Apple as much as any hater but and i am going to get the iphone just to annoy the haters. They are starting to get on my nerves  :rant:
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 18, 2012, 08:13:49 AM
Quote from: hbarcellos;708535


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5RjunTUQHEE/SfzTJgeFo7I/AAAAAAAAEFo/rySkYi-6Og0/s400/macacos.jpg)

This also applies to the haters of Apple. Mention Apple or iphone, whatever, and the haters come running in abusing anything that can be associated with Crapple. My question is who is worse? Apple zealots, or the Apple haters?

:rant:
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: orange on September 18, 2012, 10:05:54 AM
yeah apple dressing salads are great :)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 18, 2012, 11:18:16 AM
I'd go with the iPhone 5 personally, Kesa.

I got a S3 recently, and while I do like the thing, I've found the wifi on it to be erratic at best.  Randomly loses authentication and passwords and randomly drops off my wireless networks, and it's not an operator error issue, lol.  I find the Android settings mechanisms on the handset to be overly complex compared to the iPhone.  GPS on my old iPhone was better as well.  Apps selection is pretty comparable, but I find Android "free" apps to be so burdened with crapware and adverts they are often unusable.  I find the iPhone "multitasking" superior to Android as well.
Having the Google ecosystem crammed down my face on the handset is a little unpleasant as well, but so is the iTunes/Apple walled garden ecosystem.

I dislike the TouchWiz UI a great deal.  When I initially got the phone, I liked TouchWiz, but now that I've got used to it I find it infuriating.  Many of the Samsung add ons like S Voice are just absolutely useless, and I thought Siri was flaky.  I'd be far happier with a vanilla ICS or Jellybean install on the phone, there's just too much crapware you can't get rid of with the Samsung UI.  Battery life is terrible as well, but that's more likely to be a LTE/4G wide issue itself.  Chances are I'll be trading this phone in for an iPhone 5 in the near future unless I can get a vanilla Jellybean or even ICS install onto it.

While it's a very nice phone (S3) hardware wise, it is a little cheap feeling and I likely would have dropped it 10 times over if I didn't get a rubberized back bumper case for it.

The Samsung Kies sync software leaves a lot to be desired as well, but there's plenty of gripes with iTunes as well.  Kies uses extortionate amounts of memory.

It's a good phone, but all in all I still think I prefer my old iPhone to this S3, and I'm by no means an Apple loyalist.  Pricewise I could have bought the new iPhone for what I paid for this, and I am beginning to wish I had.  If I had to buy another Android phone I'd likely buy into the vanilla Android Nexus from Google to avoid the TouchWiz/Samsung UI trainwreck.

Being able to replace the battery and add a memory card is a big bonus, though, will never have that option with an iphone.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Thorham on September 18, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
Man am I happy I don't need nor want a smart phone :)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 18, 2012, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: Kesa;708572
Sorry to break it to you guys but i am seriously comtemplating buying an iphone5 next week when they come out. My reasons are:

1 - I need a new phone. My Blackberry is about shot. It is 2G internet only (useless for internet), crap reception, broken buttons, cracked screen, annoying design flaws, Etc.

2 - I have decided on either a Samsung Galaxy s3 or an iphone5. Tough one. But i think i am leaning over to the iphone. Here's why:

I'm sick of everybody dissing Apple for everything. Today i watched on Youtube comparisons between the Galaxy 3 and the iphone 4s and then read the comments below. It's all filled with hate comments against Apple. I can't decide who is worse, the Apple fanbhoys or the haters? I think at the moment there are definitely more haters than lovers of Apple. If you ask me it's getting a little tiresome. Mention Apple then the haters come flying in from all directions with abuse at the mere mention of Apple. I dislike Apple as much as any hater but and i am going to get the iphone just to annoy the haters. They are starting to get on my nerves  :rant:


I would take the iPhone 5 too.
Reason? I love operating systems. I love to try several different flavors: BeOS, QNX, MorphOS, AROS, Bootable Amithlon, Linux (even compiling everything from scratch like Gentoo) and even SymbOS on my MSX Turbo-R.
But for my phone?? I just want something that works, something fast, responsive and easy to use. Android is not even close the iOS on that. Even on a marvelous hardware like the S3  lags behind the 4S or even the iPhone4.
As I said before, maybe new Nokia's would offer a similar experience.

*Not to mention that the tight control on official app distribution + few differences on HW models for developers makes the software base way more stable.
And, to sweeten the pie, as Developers make more money on the iOS, software offer is BETTER...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 18, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
You know what, I was a Microsoft Hater in the '80s.  I wouldn't buy a PC, I wouldn't touch M$ stock even though I knew they'd win and be dominant.  Had I not hated M$ with a passion I would have bought a ton of M$ stock and would have retired a decade ago.  Hater's lose, I lost because I was a hater....
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 18, 2012, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: Kesa;708573
This also applies to the haters of Apple. Mention Apple or iphone, whatever, and the haters come running in abusing anything that can be associated with Crapple. My question is who is worse? Apple zealots, or the Apple haters?
:rant:


As someone once said: Too far east is already west.
Absolutely no difference. Anything not based on "arguments" or "facts" is just crap coming from people that's lazy enough not to even think on their own opinion or ideas.

In my humble opinion, the only "non conditional love" you're allowed to have is with your offspring.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: TheDaddy on September 18, 2012, 02:43:31 PM
I can't stand Apple because:

1) They are patronising (what is with those awkward adverts where THE designer explains to you (in his soft voice) what they have done and the difference between 0.5mm and 1mm thickness, "BUY THIS, it's good for you" ah, and their turtlenecks! ARGH!

2) They have this close, elitist mentality which gets on my nerves, the kids and those mad people rushing outside the shops, camping for hours, madness, what a dodgy cult.

3) Only after a lot of noise from users/customers they decided to do "something" towards the working conditions of their factories

4) Steve Jobs...it's been said enough about the man.

5) I use Apple products (imacs etc...) and I have access to an iphone and to be honest they aren't that great, they are good but not great

6) Hype and overpriced

I might do the same with my computer case, going to put a nice, black turtleneck on and price it at £500, there. :)

Oh and I forgot, who spends £500+ for a phone? A phone! :D
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: bloodline on September 18, 2012, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: TheDaddy;708597
I can't stand Apple because:

1) They are patronising (what is with those awkward adverts where THE designer explains to you (in his soft voice) what they have done and the difference between 0.5mm and 1mm thickness, "BUY THIS, it's good for you" ah, and their turtlenecks! ARGH!

2) They have this close, elitist mentality which gets on my nerves, the kids and those mad people rushing outside the shops, camping for hours, madness, what a dodgy cult.

3) Only after a lot of noise from users/customers they decided to do "something" towards the working conditions of their factories

4) Steve Jobs...it's been said enough about the man.

5) I use Apple products (imacs etc...) and I have access to an iphone and to be honest they aren't that great, they are good but not great

6) Hype and overpriced

I might do the same with my computer case, going to put a nice, black turtleneck on and price it at £500, there. :)

Oh and I forgot, who spends £500+ for a phone? A phone! :D



1. Advertising is advertising... At least Apple don't lie (and get caught out!) like Nokia did in their last Advert!

2. Lol!! We are Amiga users and above all that ;)

3. I want to call you out on this one, at least Apple are doing something about working conditions... None of the other tech companies (who all use the same factories) have bothered to do anything!

4. The guy was an a$$hole, but he did what he had to for Apple to survive... Think of how all the other computer companies were destroyed... Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, Acorn, Digital, Sun, the list goes on...

5. A computer is a tool, it's as good as the person using it know how to get the best out of it.

6. Hype, is that another term for Marketing? Overpriced, yes in the PPC days... Now definitely not! :)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 18, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
@TheDaddy

Yet there are some on this board that will plunk down £1,700 on a desktop that isn't as powerful as the £500 phone.  People will buy what they want to buy.  You don't like iPhones, don't buy iPhones, personally I don't have time for the hate, but whatever floats your boat.

Computers in a keyboard were an idea who's time has come and gone, if you think you can hawk them with a turtleneck, by all means try.  But I won't be queuing for one anytime soon.  

Yes, part of the appeal of Apple is Apple itself, but, even they couldn't sell a keyboard computer in 2013...  There's an element of timeliness in all of Apple's products.  An iPhone 5 in 2023 won't even merit a "meh," but by then they'll be on to something else anyway.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: TheDaddy on September 18, 2012, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: bloodline;708599
1. Advertising is advertising... At least Apple don't lie (and get caught out!) like Nokia did in their last Advert!

2. Lol!! We are Amiga users and above all that ;)

3. I want to call you out on this one, at least Apple are doing something about working conditions... None of the other tech companies (who all use the same factories) have bothered to do anything!

4. The guy was an a$$hole, but he did what he had to for Apple to survive... Think of how all the other computer companies were destroyed... Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, Acorn, Digital, Sun, the list goes on...

5. A computer is a tool, it's as good as the person using it know how to get the best out of it.

6. Hype, is that another term for Marketing? Overpriced, yes in the PPC days... Now definitely not! :)



1) Creepy, patronising advertising is creepy, patronising advertising. Apple don't lie? Really?  I understand you defending it because you are an Apple user but please Apple has been telling porkies since the '70s, first home computer, first this, first that.

3) They are doing something because they got caught out. Other companies have been implementing better working conditions for years

4) I give you that, SJ did ALL he could to save Apple, ALL he could. Created this aura of sainthood about Apple. Great marketeer though.

6) They are overpriced, all Apple products cost a lot more. It's absurd. Also "Apple people" really believe that they are spending more for the "quality", wow!

Just buy, don't ask why ;)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: TheDaddy on September 18, 2012, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: persia;708601
@TheDaddy

Yet there are some on this board that will plunk down £1,700 on a desktop that isn't as powerful as the £500 phone.  People will buy what they want to buy.  You don't like iPhones, don't buy iPhones, personally I don't have time for the hate, but whatever floats your boat.

Computers in a keyboard were an idea who's time has come and gone, if you think you can hawk them with a turtleneck, by all means try.  But I won't be queuing for one anytime soon.  

Yes, part of the appeal of Apple is Apple itself, but, even they couldn't sell a keyboard computer in 2013...  There's an element of timeliness in all of Apple's products.  An iPhone 5 in 2023 won't even merit a "meh," but by then they'll be on to something else anyway.



See the difference is, these people spend £1700 on a X1000 because they like the idea of using OS4. They love the idea of continuing with Amiga. At the moment OS4 runs on SAMs and X1000 (which is the fastest machine). Had OS4 been available for other machines they would have spent less or even more, depending on the machine.

You're right there, I don't like iphones and anything to do with Apple, I have used the stuff, it leaves me cold. I have little time to dedicate to the Apple piss taking, not as much as I'd like to though :D

Computers in a keyboard were all the rage in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Like Minis were all the rage in the 60s and 70s. You can still buy Minis, although in different clothing and made by BMW.

I'll sell my computer case in a keyboard without a turtleneck, pretty sure I'd get sued by Apple, for stealing "the " image! :)

I am sure Apple could sell turds rolled in expensive glitter and sprayed in Chanel n5 and people would still buy it because there are those people around.

Hopefully they'll be gone by 2023 ;)
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: kickstart on September 18, 2012, 05:56:20 PM
@bloodline

Apple makes you blind and your opinions arent fair.

@thedaddy

Now apple quality is worse, at least on ppc days machines were better build.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: zylesea on September 18, 2012, 10:04:25 PM
Quote from: Kesa;708572
Sorry to break it to you guys but i am seriously comtemplating buying an iphone5 next week when they come out. My reasons are:

1 - I need a new phone. My Blackberry is about shot. It is 2G internet only (useless for internet), crap reception, broken buttons, cracked screen, annoying design flaws, Etc.

2 - I have decided on either a Samsung Galaxy s3 or an iphone5. Tough one. But i think i am leaning over to the iphone. Here's why:

I'm sick of everybody dissing Apple for everything. Today i watched on Youtube comparisons between the Galaxy 3 and the iphone 4s and then read the comments below. It's all filled with hate comments against Apple. I can't decide who is worse, the Apple fanbhoys or the haters? I think at the moment there are definitely more haters than lovers of Apple. If you ask me it's getting a little tiresome. Mention Apple then the haters come flying in from all directions with abuse at the mere mention of Apple. I dislike Apple as much as any hater but and i am going to get the iphone just to annoy the haters. They are starting to get on my nerves  :rant:


I'd wait for release of the Nokia Lumia 920. From what I've seen I think WP8 seems rather good (who thought that I would ever say so...) and you don't need to do everything via the cloud (local sync, local apps), the cam is probaly pretty good and if you happen to live in an area where it isn't always warm it will be a huge plus that you actually will be able to use the touchsreen with gloves. And I like the fresh colours.

On the end of day it will not matter anyway which one you'll get, they are all working.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 18, 2012, 10:48:58 PM
WP8 is heavily cloud based, integrated SkyDrive and all that.

That being said, it's a sharp looking phone, but the software on the PC for it stinks.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: SysAdmin on September 19, 2012, 12:16:45 AM
I don't the Zune phone will sell any better than it has, about 2% of the market. We shall see I guess.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: toRus on September 19, 2012, 12:20:20 AM
Jobs was not a fool. Just because he was not one of the thousands of software/hardware developers he hired does not make him stupid or irrelevant in the technology business. Just because he was not the top stock holder in the company he co-funded and managed for several years does not mean he was yet another employee. Call him megalomaniac, selfish, cruel, etc but he made excellent decisions for his companies and he forced his own ideas and philosophy into a company that, unlike the competition, strives to promote "quality" and maintain a good corporate image. Jobs wanted Apple to be like Sony, only better/cooler, Bill Gates wanted Microsoft to be like IBM, only smarter and more bloodthirsty, Samsung just wants to make a profit even if it only comes from selling AA batteries. They don't care as much about marketing and promoting innovation and design as far as they can sell in bunches and cheaper.

Apple is a lame company but no more than Samsung, HTC, et al. It IS an evil company (towards both consumers and the opposition) but probably less than what Google is nowdays and certainly looks like an angel compared to Microsoft or Intel.

Nevertheless, I would never touch anything Microsoft (thus Nokia is out of the question) but I have chosen Samsung Galaxy smartphones instead for example iPhones because I prefer to develop in Java rather than Objective-C. Still, my SGS3 sucks and it's not only Android's fault.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 19, 2012, 12:34:19 AM
Plus, Windows Phone 8 is securely locked down like iOS.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 19, 2012, 12:52:39 AM
Quote from: toRus;708635
but probably less than what ...

 
yeah, right. tell that to a Foxconn employee.
Apple uses slave labor.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 19, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
What's SysAdmin?

Pyromania? Bot? :confused:
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 19, 2012, 03:50:23 AM
Foxconn accounts for something like 40% of the consumer electronics being sold. It's inescapable.
It has nothing to do with Apple, it's all of us.

We chose lives that are held up by slave labour, but we pretend that "moral shopping" and brand loyalty will make it okay.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 19, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
Yep, it's virtually impossible to buy a bit of tech gear that doesn't have some foxconn connection.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: mongo on September 19, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: persia;708693
Yep, it's virtually impossible to buy a bit of tech gear that doesn't have some foxconn connection.


Ever take a look at who made the connectors on the back of your Amiga?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 20, 2012, 12:10:57 AM
Quote from: runequester;708654
Foxconn accounts for something like 40% of the consumer electronics being sold. It's inescapable.
It has nothing to do with Apple, it's all of us.
 
We chose lives that are held up by slave labour, but we pretend that "moral shopping" and brand loyalty will make it okay.

OK, you and Persia have made me reach for the first beer of the day.
That's depressing stuff.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: zylesea on September 20, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: persia;708693
Yep, it's virtually impossible to buy a bit of tech gear that doesn't have some foxconn connection.
That was one of those things I really liked on the bplan ppc hardware - it was made in Germany. Probably that would have changed if only production runs would have been bigger. But as they were these boards were products made a few kilometers away from me.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Methuselas on September 20, 2012, 01:01:41 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;708487
You're quite welcome.  I really, really don't ****ing well like Steve Jobs.  At.  All.  In a better world, Microsoft would have let them die in the 1990s.


Bill Gates didn't kill Apple in the 90's, 'cos he was smart enough to know that if they were gone, Microsoft really would *BE* a monopoly and they would have torn his company to pieces.


Jobs, is, was and will always be, a douche! Personally, I kinda wish I was old enough to be working for Apple during their heyday. If that SOB got in *MY* face and slammed me up against a wall for working 19 hours straight and "not producing" anything, I would have smiled and said "that's assault - I never gave you permission to physically touch me" and slammed him with a major lawsuit.

The best thing about it is, many people that had quit previously would have heard about the lawsuit and probably jumped on, making it a class-action suit. Once that happened, the board at Apple would be going "Here, take this money. Settle out of court."

But my attitude and mentality would have been "Nope. I don't want your money. I want his head."

I met him once. He was a prick to even his fans...... I have zero respect for him. Apple, I have a little, but until they prove to me that they're not following in the footsteps of their "Messiah", I'm not interested in any product they have to offer......
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Pyromania on September 20, 2012, 01:09:47 AM
Quote from: Kesa;708652
What's SysAdmin?

Pyromania? Bot? :confused:


Yes
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 20, 2012, 01:31:21 AM
Quote from: Methuselas;708731
Bill Gates didn't kill Apple in the 90's, 'cos he was smart enough to know that if they were gone, Microsoft really would *BE* a monopoly and they would have torn his company to pieces.
 
 
Jobs, is, was and will always be, a douche! Personally, I kinda wish I was old enough to be working for Apple during their heyday. If that SOB got in *MY* face and slammed me up against a wall for working 19 hours straight and "not producing" anything, I would have smiled and said "that's assault - I never gave you permission to physically touch me" and slammed him with a major lawsuit.
 
The best thing about it is, many people that had quit previously would have heard about the lawsuit and probably jumped on, making it a class-action suit. Once that happened, the board at Apple would be going "Here, take this money. Settle out of court."
 
But my attitude and mentality would have been "Nope. I don't want your money. I want his head."
 
I met him once. He was a prick to even his fans...... I have zero respect for him. Apple, I have a little, but until they prove to me that they're not following in the footsteps of their "Messiah", I'm not interested in any product they have to offer......

 
Ah, someone with an unclouded view of what a complete a**hole this guy was.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 20, 2012, 04:33:44 AM
The hero worship is pretty nuts. What about the guys who designed and engineered and coded and...and...and...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 20, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
If there's anyone you should "worship" when it comes to modern computing, its these people:

Alan Turing
Grace Hopper
Douglas Engelbart

People like that.  Real pioneers.

And that's it.

I'd say something of a slur about Jobs being a mere fashion designer but for chrissake he wasn't even that.  Johnathan Ive kept Apple afloat with it's little plastic knickknacks, Jobs just gobbled it up and occasionally screamed at people over color shades or angles of a given piece of plastic.

Meanwhile, this interface we're all using?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIgzSoTMOs

1968.  Not 1986.  Not 1984.  Hell, not even 1980.  Nineteen sixty-eight.  Before NASA was sent men to the moon with a digital computer with less computing power than the first kit 8-bit computers from the mid '80s, Engelbart took a book titled As We May Think and moved the desktop from Memex Workstation to computerized metaphor.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Steve Jobs has no place in that arc of brilliance.  He was a whining salesman with a sadistic, hateful streak a mile wide who wouldn't cross the road to piss on his own mother if she were on fire.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Methuselas on September 20, 2012, 05:56:47 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;708762

Steve Jobs has no place in that arc of brilliance.  He was a whining salesman with a sadistic, hateful streak a mile wide who wouldn't cross the road to piss on his own mother if she were on fire.


+1


I couldn't agree more. He had no respect for anyone that worked for him. Many consensuses were that regardless of what he "did" for Apple, everyone that worked for him, hated him.....
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 20, 2012, 06:09:09 AM
Quote from: hbarcellos;708502
I'm really glad they took the idea from XEROX.


Check your computing history: Xerox put the Alto on sale in 1973, a decade prior to the Lisa.  They released the Xerox Star four years prior to the Macintosh.

The shouting, bespectacled Big Brother in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OYecfV3ubP8

...speaks of "a garden of pure Ideology".  Now you tell me if that doesn't sound like the entirely closed off "world" of iDevices and the AppStore, where Apple will kick handicapped children if it suits them (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/26/app_/)

One more note about Xerox: they gave the Alto and later Star away to schools that just asked for them.  Apple dropped all charitable offerings on Jobs' orders when he came back.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Methuselas on September 20, 2012, 06:20:54 AM
Yup. Supposedly, Jobs felt that since Apple was hemorrhaging money, the best thing to do to staunch the blood loss was to strip Apple's charitable contributions, which included sending computers to School Districts to use.

Ironically, most schools that I know about now use PCs instead..... At least, that's what many of my friends, whom are teachers tell me.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 20, 2012, 06:36:40 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;708762

Steve Jobs has no place in that arc of brilliance.  He was a whining salesman with a sadistic, hateful streak a mile wide who wouldn't cross the road to piss on his own mother if she were on fire.

That's an objective opinion alright. You can't make a statement like that without backing it up. Care to fill us all in why you hate Steve Jobs/Apple so much? Tell us your life story...

;)

People who hate Apple so much without any reason are starting to annoy me.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: rewlako on September 20, 2012, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: Iggy;708736
Ah, someone with an unclouded view of what a complete a**hole this guy was.


I don't care what kind of a guy he was, the products are great.

It works the other way around too: I don't like Windows, but think Bill Gates is a pretty nice guy.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: yssing on September 20, 2012, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: Kesa;708767
That's an objective opinion alright. You can't make a statement like that without backing it up. Care to fill us all in why you hate Steve Jobs/Apple so much? Tell us your life story...

;)

People who hate Apple so much without any reason are starting to annoy me.


Watch the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley"
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: B00tDisk on September 20, 2012, 02:26:35 PM
Why not read the words of the people who were actually there (http://www.folklore.org/index.py)?

Or as suggested watch Pirates of Silicon Valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI-nzUIYIX4)?

And in case you doubt the veracity of Pirates..., listen to what Steve Wozniak had to say about it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lx9JsSTklI)

So delightful scenes where he physically assaults a programmer who'd worked for over a full day (not a full work day, 24+ hours)?  Yeah, happened.  Throwing Woz out of the company?  Happened.  Mentally abusing an engineer applying for a job? (the infamous "Are you a virgin" scene)?  Happened.  Denying paternity not once but time and again up to the point where he went to court and testified that he was impotent so he wouldn't have to pay a single dime to support that little girl?  YEAH, HAPPENED.  

**** you if you're going to sit there and try to defend Steve Jobs.  There's tons of evidence to back up the fact that he was an *******, and there's no changing that.  Facts are stubborn things.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 20, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: rewlako;708784
I don't care what kind of a guy he was, the products are great.

It works the other way around too: I don't like Windows, but think Bill Gates is a pretty nice guy.



On the upside, Gates has donated tons of money to worthy causes. On the downside, he was the guy who lied to congress to get more immigrant visas
http://programmersguild.org/docs/bill_gates_lies_about_h1b_wages.html
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Methuselas on September 20, 2012, 03:38:33 PM
Steve Jobs was the Bill McEwen of Apple. He did nothing, but live off the innovations of others. He was a parasite.


Apple, on the other hand, well they really only have *ONE* chance to make this right. The Galaxy s3 is about the destroy the IPhone....... it's superior equipment. I *LOVE* OSX, but if I won't pay over 2gs to get an Amiga X1000 that has my *FAVORITE* OS in existence, what makes you think I'd spend nearly 3gs on a Mac? Apple needs to do a reboot. They seriously need to let go of the stain that was Steve Jobs.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 20, 2012, 04:22:14 PM
Yeah, Apple's doing so badly, the largest market cap of any company in history, people queuing 24+ hours for a new product, accolades in most every tech journal on the planet.  Yep, a sinking ship for sure.  

Seriously there are companies with far less scruples such as Walmart or BAIN or the Koch brothers business.  Why the hate for Apple?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: kolla on September 20, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: Kesa;708767

People who hate Apple so much without any reason are starting to annoy me.


Are you _sure_ you want to see all the reasons why people dislike Apple and Steve Jobs?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 20, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: persia;708809
Yeah, Apple's doing so badly, the largest market cap of any company in history, people queuing 24+ hours for a new product, accolades in most every tech journal on the planet.  Yep, a sinking ship for sure.  

Seriously there are companies with far less scruples such as Walmart or BAIN or the Koch brothers business.  Why the hate for Apple?



My guess is people bought into the idea of the "good corporation" and the image of apple being clean and slick and superior. Nobody had that illusion about walmart at any point.

So when reality comes through, people get pretty grim.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: yssing on September 20, 2012, 04:39:25 PM
I really don't want to waste my time and energy hating Apple. I won't buy an Apple product because they are way to expensive, plus I just don't want to learn yet an other system. Amiga, Linux and windows is enough for me.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 20, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;708765
Check your computing history: Xerox put the Alto on sale in 1973, a decade prior to the Lisa.  They released the Xerox Star four years prior to the Macintosh.

The shouting, bespectacled Big Brother in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OYecfV3ubP8

...speaks of "a garden of pure Ideology".  Now you tell me if that doesn't sound like the entirely closed off "world" of iDevices and the AppStore, where Apple will kick handicapped children if it suits them (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/26/app_/)

One more note about Xerox: they gave the Alto and later Star away to schools that just asked for them.  Apple dropped all charitable offerings on Jobs' orders when he came back.

looks like you're discussing good vs evil. Im not.
Takes 4 Ps for something to be sucessfull. Apple made three Ps better than xerox with 1/1000 of the money. Became too arrogant and crazy and it was surpassed by Microsoft.
It will happen again...

Im on the go. can discuss more tomorrow...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 20, 2012, 05:19:30 PM
It will be interesting to see what Windows 8 brings to the post pc world.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 20, 2012, 05:31:57 PM
I dont see as a post pc time. My opinion is that the internet brought a bunch of people to "our world". they were never happy with our machines. they dont like to deal with coding, drivers and configuration options. they want something that works like a blender to send emails, read books, edit pictures and video call their friends. Those guys are leaving with their tablets, and We'll be back to our niche!

too bad for us that, wihout scale, well be back to premium prices
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 20, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
Right. A lot of people got computers because they wanted to do specific things that computers let you do.

Now, that there's options to do those things, without having to **** about with a computer, they'll get those options instead.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Bif on September 20, 2012, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Duce;708584
I'd go with the iPhone 5 personally, Kesa.

I got a S3 recently, and while I do like the thing, I've found the wifi on it to be erratic at best.  Randomly loses authentication and passwords and randomly drops off my wireless networks, and it's not an operator error issue, lol.  I find the Android settings mechanisms on the handset to be overly complex compared to the iPhone.  GPS on my old iPhone was better as well.  Apps selection is pretty comparable, but I find Android "free" apps to be so burdened with crapware and adverts they are often unusable.  I find the iPhone "multitasking" superior to Android as well.
Having the Google ecosystem crammed down my face on the handset is a little unpleasant as well, but so is the iTunes/Apple walled garden ecosystem.


I've had a Galaxy Nexus for 6 months or so now. I've had mixed feelings about it so far, the negative being that it took until about 2 weeks ago before I got 4.0.2 (ICS) pushed out to me from 4.0.1. And it seemed like 4.0.1 probably had some bugs in it that should have been fixed a long long time ago, it was way too long to be stuck on it. The 4.0.2 update seemed to make my device less responsive. Then one week later I very surprisingly get 4.1.1 (Jelly Bean) or whatever finally pushed to me. It's a HUGE improvement over 4.0.x. My device is now incredibly snappy and smooth, and there are lots of usability improvements and new features. I'm now extremely satisfied with it.

I bought my wife a Galaxy S2 as it does everything she needs and it had dropped to $400 (from $600+) now that it wasn't the newest model. The TouchWiz stuff is a disaster, and the Kies thing is a disaster. However, I prefer the hardware of the S2 to my Galaxy Nexus. It's lighter, just the right size, and the camera takes better pictures (though it's slow).

Now that I know a bit more about all of this, what I'll probably do from now on when my current device has failed or got way too old is buy whatever Samsung model has been out for a year or so that is half the price of the latest one, and install my own ROM on it if need be to get rid of that TouchWiz crap. The hardware itself I think has gotten pretty much to a place where I am happy enough with it, as I just need something responsive, and with good camera/video. It's the software that is a real mess in droid land right now with all this TouchWiz add on crap. There's still a long way to go before Droid users can all get sensible software included out of the box.

I've done the iPhone/iPod thing before and never will again, completely turned off of Apple after living through that.

I still think the smartphone offerings are a bit of a cluster****, looking forward to the day when you can buy an open device that does what it should out of the box that you can get timely updates for and all the software works on it.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: zylesea on September 20, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: persia;708826
It will be interesting to see what Windows 8 brings to the post pc world.
Actualy I think W8 will be quite a success. Metro seems strange to many ppl on first sight, but the thing is Metro !=W8. Metro is part of W8 on normal computers you can always switch to the usual W7 alike environement.
I was working on something like Metro for my Efika pictureframe long ago (spend not too much work on that and came not very far). A simple interface to do most things conveniently and just switch to the full blown desktop when necessary. I think that aproach is a rather good one. Providing something simple, but don't restrict it to that.

For phones I already said I would not be too surprised if Nokia will make a comeback over the coming year or two. They build quality and have enough experience with phones. Of course it is sad they don't follow the Symbian and MeeGoo route any more, but the hardware and apps by Nokia will probably stay good.

And in the end of day it doesn't matter too much if it's an iOS, Android or WP8 phone - they are all pretty good. Heck, even my simple S60 phone does most the stuff I want it to do - albeit this device is really far from being perfect. But it works, and honestly if I got a replacement phone that would be no necessity but pure luxury.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 20, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
There seems to be a fair bit of mis-understanding about the post pc world and I'll admit Steve jobs was a part of the misunderstanding.  

It doesn't mean that the desktop or notebook will go away, it simply means that front and centre will be taken by another device, the tablet.  Before the post pc world we were in a post mainframe world, but there were and still are a large number of mainframes and likely will be for decades to come.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Karlos on September 20, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: persia;708877
There seems to be a fair bit of mis-understanding about the post pc world and I'll admit Steve jobs was a part of the misunderstanding.  

It doesn't mean that the desktop or notebook will go away, it simply means that front and centre will be taken by another device, the tablet.  Before the post pc world we were in a post mainframe world, but there were and still are a large number of mainframes and likely will be for decades to come.


Pity it doesn't mean PCWorld will go away :lol:
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: bloodline on September 21, 2012, 12:50:57 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 26, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Ahhhhhhhhh, btw, now looks like a major tech/geek news website agrees with me:

http://gizmodo.com/5946425/the-new-apple-it-doesnt-just-work

just to remind everyone:

Quote
Takes 4 Ps for something to be sucessfull. Apple made three Ps better than xerox with 1/1000 of the money. Became too arrogant and crazy and it was surpassed by Microsoft.
It will happen again...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 26, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;709482
Ahhhhhhhhh, btw, now looks like a major tech/geek news website agrees with me:

http://gizmodo.com/5946425/the-new-apple-it-doesnt-just-work

just to remind everyone:



You seem to have a mistaken belief that superior products is what determines commercial success. History would seem to disagree.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 27, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
Four P's? What's that? Is it the 7 P's for the marketing mix? :confused:
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: persia on September 27, 2012, 02:25:29 PM
Yeah, I've been playing with new iPhone 5 and while arguably it's as good as anything on the market, it isn't a leap above anything out there.  If next years 5s or whatever is the same incremental improvement, Apple will find itself playing catch up.

The lack of NFC, for example, is inexcusable.  NFC is coming and Apple has lost it's opportunity to lead that revolution.  That will be Samsung.

Steve Job's vision drove Apple, and right now they are running on momentum.  Tim Cook is just not a visionary.  Apple is in line to become another Microsoft, a once brilliant star reduced to a white dwarf.  

I hope that doesn't happen, but for the first time in years I can't say with any certainty what brand my next phone will be....
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 27, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: runequester;709494
You seem to have a mistaken belief that superior products is what determines commercial success. History would seem to disagree.


Me?? Have you took the time to look my previous replies on this topic or you're just randomly replying? What's next? Quote and describe the BETAMAX vs VHS case?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 27, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Kesa;709514
Four P's? What's that? Is it the 7 P's for the marketing mix? :confused:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Ps   ????

That's pure BS to sell more books. 4 P's are more than enough, and, IMHO, some p's are more important than other P's.

Quote
'Physical evidence' refers to elements within the store -- the store front, the uniforms employees wear, signboards, etc. 'People' refers to the employees of the organisation with whom customers come into contact with. 'Process' refers to the processes and systems within the organisation that affects its marketing process

Really?
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 27, 2012, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;709566
Me?? Have you took the time to look my previous replies on this topic or you're just randomly replying? What's next? Quote and describe the BETAMAX vs VHS case?


Every time a big company like Apple releases something, this or that tech site will line up to say why it's ****, and all the angry nerds will march in line. They're probably right too.

Meanwhile, Apple laughs all the way to the bank, because this or that theoretical short coming makes no difference whatsoever to whether people buy their newest gadget.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: zylesea on September 27, 2012, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: persia;709538

I hope that doesn't happen, but for the first time in years I can't say with any certainty what brand my next phone will be....


I tell you - Nokia. ;-)

Honestly: it's really not sure Nokia will make a comeback, but I guess chances are not too bad they may become the winning third.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Duce on September 28, 2012, 02:39:32 AM
The current trend of Apple shipping hideously under developed product is hard to ignore.

Siri came on the 4S in beta form.  It still stinks now.  That being said, Samsung's S Voice Siri knockoff sucks even worse.  Siri is usable, I find S Voice so useless I actually resent having it on my S3 and it annoys me that it kicks in when I double tap the home button.

Their switch to their own maps is another major blunder, and I cannot help but think Jobs is rolling in his grave a bit.  A lot of bad things can be said about Jobs, but one thing he was, he was absolutely pedantic about the finer details.  He saw how screwed up things got when they rushed features and tried to avoid that in the future, like the MobileMe debacle.

Apple for the most part used to ship a fairly solid product that worked out of the box without too many gripes, and it worries me that this rush to get features in is becoming a constant trend with them.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: hbarcellos on September 28, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: runequester;709571
Every time a big company like Apple releases something, this or that tech site will line up to say why it's ****, and all the angry nerds will march in line. They're probably right too.

Meanwhile, Apple laughs all the way to the bank, because this or that theoretical short coming makes no difference whatsoever to whether people buy their newest gadget.


Rune, sorry for the angry reply yesterday. I was a little upset with my 9to7 responsibilities....

Today I also think those angry nerds sleeping in the front of Apple stores are just ridiculous, but it's tough to judge those teenagers/young nerds. We would probably do the same back on the gold Amiga age. The difference is that Commodore was just not competent enough in marketing (the 4 or 7 P's).
BTW, I strongly think that the BEST marketing mix always wins (period).
So, you're right, not always the better product wins....
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Kesa on September 29, 2012, 11:18:57 PM
Can you be any more greedy? Why pay 30 pounds for a cable when you could get the same thing thing for 3.5 pounds?

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/21/authentication_chips_discovered_in_teardown_of_apples_new_lightning_connector
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 29, 2012, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: Kesa;709812
Can you be any more greedy? Why pay 30 pounds for a cable when you could get the same thing thing for 3.5 pounds?
 
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/21/authentication_chips_discovered_in_teardown_of_apples_new_lightning_connector

Thank you Kesa, for reminding me why I hate this company.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: runequester on September 29, 2012, 11:38:10 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;709669
Rune, sorry for the angry reply yesterday. I was a little upset with my 9to7 responsibilities....


No worries at all comrade.
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: _ThEcRoW on September 30, 2012, 01:41:42 AM
@Iggy

Yeah, Amiga is cheaper...
Title: Re: apple great desing
Post by: Iggy on September 30, 2012, 02:12:24 AM
Quote from: _ThEcRoW;709832
@Iggy
 
Yeah, Amiga is cheaper...

 
Overall, MorphOS is cheaper (dang, Apple again).
Amiga? Never was cheap, still isn't.