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Title: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 01:46:34 AM
i have WINuae 0.8.2.2. 6, all rom's, terrible headache because i can't find a way to install WHDload on my WinXP and afterwards to install Genesia. If someone knows how to solv my problem, pleaseeeeeee let me know...tired and thankfull Peter.:huh:
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: DoomMaster on October 26, 2003, 01:57:50 AM
- edited by mikeymike - utterly irrelevant and will only help digress into a useless discussion
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 26, 2003, 02:16:42 AM
@Doomy

Stop being such a penis. For a start, the Windows version in use isn't even relevant! Secondly, Windows 2000 is much more secure and stable than 98SE.

Right, the only thing I can say is do you know if the game's copy protected? If it is you might have a problem installing it from anything other than the original disks, which you need a real Amiga to read. If it's not copy protected, it might be easier just to make ADF images of each disk and play it on UAE as if it were on floppy. IIRC you can tweak the floppy speed in UAE, so it hopefully won't be too frustrating.

Afraid I can't help you anymore, but that's better than spouting random crap, right Doomy?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: KennyR on October 26, 2003, 02:22:52 AM
Win98 can't make use of newer hardware anyway, so the point is moot. It was upgrade or die.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Tomas on October 26, 2003, 04:40:28 AM
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First of all, Windows XP SUCKS !!!! Windows 98 Second Edition is the BEST Windows for home use and for playing games.

Yeah... XP sucks! But from my experience with games, then 2k is just as good if not even better than 98... 2k is much more stable than win98se and even xp also.. Only reason i see for using 98 over 2k is very old dos games... Nearly all newer windows games works perfectly fine on win2k  :-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: T_Bone on October 26, 2003, 04:53:25 AM
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DoomMaster wrote:
First of all, Windows XP SUCKS !!!!  Windows 98 Second Edition is the BEST Windows for home use and for playing games.    I suggest that you re-format your hard disk and install Windows 98 Second Edition.  You will be glad that you did.  I have heard nothing but complaints from people using Windows XP.  Most of these people have went back to using Windows 98SE, 2000, or NT 4.0.     :-D
:lol:
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Linchpin on October 26, 2003, 10:17:48 AM
Sorry DoomMaster Mr Kickstart 1.3 ibet you his windows XP beats your Amiga 20000000 PROFESSIONAL SUPER NASA SPACE COMPUTER PROBE WITH 10 LIGHTS!! Doomy! We Know Windows XP Sucks!

There aint no need to always point it out! But for some of us who dont have 25 amiga 2000's running at 7.15mhz, a 1 gig PC has to do.

Are you for real? Or do you just come here to p~#s everyone off?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: AmiGR on October 26, 2003, 11:15:10 AM
Just use Win2k... XP sucks, indeed:-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Mad-Matt on October 26, 2003, 11:36:38 AM
Dont even think of Utilising Win2K. Its slow and far too memory hungry for its own good.  WindowsXP isthe way to go as it retains the speed of Win98 and more compatable with games then 2k.

sure XP looks like ####, which is why they included the windows classic interface to make it even faster and nicer ;)

now to the real point of the thread.  whdload should install just fine if youve setup a bootable Harddrive Workbench. Its probably best if you install it on a real Amiga and then simply trasfer the installed game over.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 26, 2003, 12:42:17 PM
Windows XP is okay as long as you have the system to run it and you configure it well. For goodness sake DONT get Windows 98! As this is buggy and crap! Choose either Windows 2000 or XP!
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: AmiGR on October 26, 2003, 02:58:23 PM
Win2k because:
You can make it as memory hungry or light as you wish, as you can stop ALL services...
It's *NOT* slow... I use them for years... They are FASTER than XP, whatever people may say...
It doesn't "decide" that your settings suck and replace them with it's own autoconfigurated crap...
That last thing irritated me A LOT while I was setting
up a school network... Reboot and WinXP would
change the API and gateways to it's own network
crap, that worked between the WinXP machines but
not with the manually setup Win2k and Linux servers...
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 26, 2003, 03:10:52 PM
Ok guys, here are the rules of this thread:

 - No insulting DoomMaster, even if you do come out with exceptionally funny things to say.

 - No "this version of Windows is better than that".  It's been done to extinction and I really can't be bothered to hear you all go over your experiences that turn into gospel because you think so.

 - I'm having a bad day.  Give me a break.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 10:11:17 PM
As Mickey said no point discussing Wins.
I managed to setup winUAE so I can see the "hand"
/w floppy disk showing the Workbench 1.3, afterwards instead of kick 1.3 I put in 3.1 and it showed me disk goin' into DF0 or smtng like that and said 3.1 ROM 40.063. So what do i do now ?
Guys honestly, can someone tell me each step how to install damn game? Then I will be able to make other HD games work on my XP. Tnx ;-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 10:30:31 PM
U might use this info whilst helpin' me. I got new R9 version of WinUAE.
I set RAM (chp:2, fast:2, slow:1), CHIPSET (full ECS, fast copper, sprites & sprites vs. Playfield), HD properites (D:\Amiga\DH0.hdf, device: HD0, surfaces:1, reserved:2, sectors:32, boot pri.:0, block size 512, R/W,100 mb), DF0: kick31.zip ! The other things are set to default.  :-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: bloodline on October 26, 2003, 10:35:08 PM
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demios wrote:
U might use this info whilst helpin' me. I got new R9 version of WinUAE.
I set RAM (chp:2, fast:2, slow:1), CHIPSET (full ECS, fast copper, sprites & sprites vs. Playfield), HD properites (D:\Amiga\DH0.hdf, device: HD0, surfaces:1, reserved:2, sectors:32, boot pri.:0, block size 512, R/W,100 mb), DF0: kick31.zip ! The other things are set to default.  :-)


I suggest you use the "File System" Hard drive rather than a Hardfile. (This is done by clicking the add directory button)

That way you can just use windows to copy files you download into the Amiga (UAE)  harddrive.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 26, 2003, 10:37:48 PM
...So, do you have a working Workbench installation on the UAE hard disk image, or are we starting from scratch here...?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 10:44:57 PM
I'm affraid SCRATCH.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Paul_Gadd on October 26, 2003, 11:21:06 PM
Go and download the workbench adf files (if you own the original floppies).
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 11:25:39 PM
No i took them of da net.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Paul_Gadd on October 26, 2003, 11:29:03 PM
You should have 6 ADF files, set install31.adf as DFO drive and boot up UAE, your hardfile should say something like DH0:????, format it then give it a name (workbench etc).

When format is finished open install disk (DF0) install workbench using the installer, pause UAE and give DF1: - DF3, Extras31, storage31,fonts31.

Reboot then enjoy AOS  :-) .
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 11:41:37 PM
I downloaded BoingBag 3.9-2 (2mb) what da hell is that ?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 26, 2003, 11:49:18 PM
I don't mean to be rude, but i'm completely beginer in this, so I would ask U to be a little more precise, like how to format disk or stuff liek that
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 27, 2003, 12:35:56 AM
Once again I'll remind people.

No "this version of Windows is better than that version".
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 12:38:30 AM
Uh... mikeymike where did my post go?

 :-?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 27, 2003, 12:40:44 AM
If you replied to one of the "no this Windows version is much better and all my friends say so" posts, your post will have been destroyed in the wake of the delete command :-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 12:43:42 AM
Well, my post went something like 'take the Windows discussion into another thread if you must'... followed by some helpful (well, i thought so ;-)) advice for demios.

I won't bother typing it again, I've had a bad day too...

:-(
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 12:45:12 AM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo his post was very important to me, noooooooooooooooo. :)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 12:53:31 AM
He he he :-D just give me a second to gather my thoughts...
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 01:13:42 AM
Okay...

Your kick31.rom file is an image of a ROM that's built into every Amiga. It contains the core of the Amiga's operating system, but in order to boot the system you need a Workbench disk. You can find these on the internet, if you search for 'Workbench+adf' in Google for instance, something should come up. If possible, download the complete set of 6 disks:

Workbench, Extras, Locale, Fonts, Storage and Install

If you can't get all six, just the Workbench disk will do for minimal use.

Start up WinUAE and use UAE's Floppies tab to insert the Install disk into df0:. If you don't have the install disk, put the Workbench disk in there instead. Click Ok to start the Amiga and wait for it to boot. It should take about a minute.

When the Workbench screen appears, you should see a disk icon with the caption 'DH0:????' below it. Click on this once and then use the right mouse button to choose 'Icons > Format Disk' from the menu bar at the top of the screen. Give the disk a name ('Boot' or something, it doesn't really matter) leave all the other options and choose 'Format'. Confirm this when you are asked and wait for the format to complete.

Now, if you have the full set of Workbench disks hit F12 and open the Floppies tab to insert the Extras, Locale, and Fonts disks into the empty floppy drives. Press Ok to go back to the Amiga, then open up the Install disk by double-clicking its icon and then double-click the 'Install' icon that should be there. During the install process, you will probably be asked for the other disks (it will say 'Please insert the volume 'Storage'' for example) and you will have to go back to the Floppies tab in UAE to swap disks.

If you only have a Workbench disk, and not the full set, once you've formatted the Amiga's hard drive, use the right mouse button to choose 'Workbench > Execute command' from the menu, and type:

copy df0:#? dh0: ALL

Then wait for the files to finish transferring.

When you're complete, hit F12 and choose 'Reset Amiga' from UAE's Misc tab, eject all the floppy disk images from the Floppies tab, and then click Ok. The Amiga should then boot from the hard disk image... Fingers crossed ;-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 01:48:11 AM
Quote

demios wrote:
I downloaded BoingBag 3.9-2 (2mb) what da hell is that ?


You don't need the BoingBag.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: StormLord on October 27, 2003, 02:59:15 AM
I'm an experienced amiga user But before I try I prefer to ask first...
Is it possible to install AOS 3.5 or 3.9 on UAE?
because I 've heard about some problems with that...
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: meerschaum on October 27, 2003, 03:35:42 AM
EDITED
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 03:37:01 AM
@StormLord

Yeah, I believe there are some things that make it complicated, but it is possible AFAIK. I haven't done it myself though, I suggest you dig through some of the old threads on here and if you can't find any help, start a new thread, that way people will give your problem more attention.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Animagic on October 27, 2003, 08:57:11 AM
Yes you can install OS3.9 on UAE
Done it myself allready
All you have to do is buy the original CD
The rest is up to the installer  :-D
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 12:49:50 PM
I looked yesterday on the net but couldn't find .adf files I need, so I'll try today again. Fingers crossed. :-D ****************CORRECTION***********
I found Workbench 1.3.2 and extras so far
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: bloodline on October 27, 2003, 01:12:50 PM
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meerschaum wrote:
This site is slowly turning into a mirror of what it once stood against, censorship, etc... the conversation has to follow the path the 'admin' wants it to now. how sad is that?


With all due respect, I think that it was right to remove the pointless posts about My windows being bigger than your windows... which really weren't going to help any one.


For the Record, Wine is waaaaaaaay better than any version of windows :-P
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 01:54:44 PM
Thanx Punk, I did everything you said when i resetted "amiga" the screen turned black, and finally the window opened it said:

Amiga DOS
AMIGA ROM Operating System and Libraries
Copyright @ 1985-1993 Commodore-Amiga Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
1>

So, how to start Genesia now, it's in d:\amiga\HDGenesia dir.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 27, 2003, 03:15:14 PM
Hmm... The boot should have progressed further than you've indicated. Try typing 'dir' at the prompt and tell me what it says.

Also, what are the contents of your d:\amiga\hdgenesia directory? do you have ADFs in there or what...?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 04:06:57 PM
GenesiaHD [DIR]:
Gsave [DIR]: 0.A0, 0.dat, 0.nam
Source[DIR]: genesia.asm
Root of directory Genesia HD: Genesia.exoticon, Genesia.glowicon, Genesia.newexot, Genesia.newicon, Genesia.slave, HDpath.inf, install(no extension), install.info, manual(no ext.), manual.info, readme(no ext.), readme.info ;

That's all what dir has.

Maybe i made mistake whilst making HD file in winUAE.
 I chose Hard Dirves tab, Add Hardfile button, Create Hadrfile size 10mb, Create. And that's all, correct me please if I made a mistake.

When I start Workbench 1.3, under the DH0 icon it says: DH0:COPY, so I "made" another HDD, named it DH1, when I started Wb 1.3 it said: empty
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 04:30:38 PM
Oh, I allmost forgot when it starts copying files he copies 11 of them and then it stops, active (copying) window remains w/o any action, is that normal ?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: Mad-Matt on October 27, 2003, 04:58:10 PM
Ya know its probably easier to go out and buy a copy of AmigaForever, the emu is fully setup with all you need and its just a case of installing whdload and then working out how your gonna get ya games across.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 27, 2003, 06:23:08 PM
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meerschaum wrote:
This site is slowly turning into a mirror of what it once stood against, censorship, etc... the conversation has to follow the path the 'admin' wants it to now. how sad is that?


@ anyone who agrees with the above quote

Presumably you find yet another discussion where people whine about different versions of Windows being "totally unstable and no-one should use them" somehow useful and interesting?

I don't know about most people here, but I go to forums such as Amiga.org's to get answers to technical questions, and to help other people out by answering their technical questions.  Discussion might ensue, but I'll only read and contribute to it if it's actually INTERESTING.  Hearing people whine because they have no clue or experience regarding a certain operating system is NOT my idea of interesting.  Apart from the usual guidelines of moderation, I'm trying to keep and increase Amiga.org's accessibility to more than just people who talk at great length about anything off-topic, whether the majority is interested in what they're saying or not.

If you want to whine about Windows, either create a new thread in 'Alternative Operating Systems' where people can make a conscious choice to read it or not (then I won't moderate it in the way I have here), or find another site to post your opinions on.

In short, you choose to come here.  Perhaps you should review that choice if you don't like the status quo.  If you don't think what I'm doing is for the best for Amiga.org, please feel free to email Kees or another staff member.

And on the subject of censorship.  Guess what?  "Censorship" in the way you refer to it happens on Amiga.org and most moderated forums EVERY DAY.  See the posting guidelines of this or any other moderated forum site.  If you don't like them, and a complaint gets you nowhere, then leave.  For the average person who has half a brain, and knows what the meaning and history of the term 'censorship', being that you don't have a grave dug for you specifically because you voiced certain opinions.  It's not about your "God-given right to show your single-figure mental age in public".

Some of this may be conveyed strongly, but is not intended to be a specific personal attack on anyone.  It's just how I feel about this.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: gnarly on October 27, 2003, 06:28:15 PM
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DoomMaster wrote:
- edited by mikeymike - utterly irrelevant and will only help digress into a useless discussion
Oh look, it did anyway... :(
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: on October 27, 2003, 06:56:17 PM
@meers

I find myself very shocked at your statements and actions as of late.  Particularly the cries of censorship.  

Saddening to think that you've started to believe the tripe.

Wayne
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: meerschaum on October 27, 2003, 06:59:06 PM
I apologise to ya Wayne, maybe I am in the wrong to bring up censorship here.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 11:45:11 PM
I can't by Amiga 4 Ever cause that CD doesn't exist in my city where 1.9 mil. people use only PC and nothing else. I would by it trust me.

Anyhows, does anyone know the reason 4 this failure of reboting or not.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 27, 2003, 11:53:52 PM
Guys, can u tell me how to install whdload and how to make DH0 work?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 28, 2003, 12:06:10 AM
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demios wrote:
Oh, I allmost forgot when it starts copying files he copies 11 of them and then it stops, active (copying) window remains w/o any action, is that normal ?


Yep that's fine, the Window doesn't close automatically.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 28, 2003, 12:07:59 AM
Did you try typing 'dir' after the Amiga boots like I suggested, 'cause I don't think the OS has installed properly. Try it and tell us what output you get.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 28, 2003, 12:14:44 AM
I did the whole process again and typed "dir" after restarting amiga and it said "unknown command" !?
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 28, 2003, 12:39:07 AM
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I can't by Amiga 4 Ever cause that CD doesn't exist in my city where 1.9 mil. people use only PC and nothing else. I would by it trust me.


Well, with this wonderful thing called "The Internet", you can buy stuff online...
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 28, 2003, 12:44:22 AM
in my contry 25-30 bucks is a lot of money, especially 4 me. :), i don't have the money, so i'm not able to by the cd
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 28, 2003, 12:56:18 AM
@demios

I p-mailed you.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: jjans on October 28, 2003, 04:16:01 AM
Try Jaybees Amiga in a Box at:

http://aiab.emuunlim.com/

His installation comes with WHDLOAD already installed and configured.  I also use Cloanto's Amiga Forever Online Edition (reasonably priced and they are definitely an organisation worth supporting).

By the way, at risk of stirring the debate, I am ashamed to state that sadly, I have absolutely no problems running WINUAE, or any Windoze games on my Windows XP. I can't even get Game Commander to freeze fer X's sake....
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 28, 2003, 11:54:22 AM
Thanks guys 4 all, You've helped me overcome my ignorance. Now ve're moving to "game won't work" section :))) Tnx a lot.  :-(  :-D  ;-)  :-o  8-)  :-P  :-x  :-P  :-?  8-)  :-o  ;-)  :-D  :-(  :-)
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 28, 2003, 12:06:10 PM
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in my contry 25-30 bucks is a lot of money, especially 4 me. :), i don't have the money, so i'm not able to by the cd


Yet you have a computer.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 28, 2003, 12:13:19 PM
Yes but there's a funny fact that we don't pay for software :)), when I say we I mean 95% of computer users in Serbia&Montenegro, it has allways been that way,  but it's going to change very fats due to entrance in EU.

Oh, btw, during installation genesia reports error statement on line 337 ? WTH is that? This just keeps getting worse :) :-x
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: mikeymike on October 28, 2003, 12:28:20 PM
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Yes but there's a funny fact that we don't pay for software :)


I'm surprised you can admit to that and smile.  I'm not going to start preaching btw.
Title: Re: How to make Genesia to work on XP
Post by: demios on October 29, 2003, 12:07:22 AM
Software legalisation is a slow process especially in poor, post-war contries (in our case 1990-1995 war, all together 11 yrs of isolation, and finally bombing in 1999 - it's wonder we didn't starv to death :) so we had to remain sain and had to find ways that are out of the ordinary. Before that we had one of the best standards in the world, with our passeport you could go to over 150 contrys w/o visa, and today we can't by ourselves used car (irony, isn't it). But the life goes on and everything that was remains behind us. But, at the moment I really don't have 30$ to spend, i don't where i'm gonna find 10$ for the teather tomorrow :)) Wish ya all d best.