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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: lassie on September 24, 2012, 07:46:16 AM
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
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Not possible :-)
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Not possible :-)
That was a shame. What do i need to get it? i thought i could emulate it
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OS4 is PPC only and cannot be emulated.
You would need one of the various PPC boards like the SAM, Peg, A1, or X1000, or alternatively a PPC powered legacy Amiga.
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If only Pear PC emulator supported it, however only OSX works on it at present.
AmigaOS 4.0 wont boot at all, have tried.
There is a macmini hack floating around the net for 4.0, it works but isn't perfect.
http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
OS4 doesn't support *any* laptop. It doesn't support no x86 machines either.
These are your options if you want OS4:
- X1000 (costs ~$3,000+ and can have up to a half year of delivery time after you succeed in making a pre-order of one). Drivers/support for key features of the motherboard isn't there yet.
- Sam 460 system/Amigaone 500 (ends up at about ~$1,500 including peripherals like case, HDD, etc, taxes and shipping). It performs like a Pegasos 2 (or slightly below), it has some oddities to its expansion options, and the driver situation still isn't 100% in all areas.
- Sam 440 system (ends up at about ~$1,100 including peripherals like case, HDD, etc, taxes and shipping). It's too slow to be meaningful in a modern context (watching todays video's, browsing complex web pages, etc)
- Pegasos 2 G4 (can only be bought second hand). Probably your best option, but can be difficult to find; it's great quality HW, performance is decent, and driver support is possibly best compared to the rest above.
- Amiga PowerUP boards. Obsolete. For masochists only.
If you want "Amiga NG" with Laptop support, your best option is MorphOS on a Mac PowerBook (PPC). MorphOS also runs on PPC PowerMac's, Mac Mini's etc, all easily available as second hand, at prices ranging between $50-$250, and their top level versions perform at the same level or better than the $3,000+ X1000 mentioned above. MorphOS per se also gives huge benefits over OS4, if you are interested in knowing about that you can ask by starting a new thread with that topic! ;)
There! Hopes that helps!
:)
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TMHG, the guy asked a simple question. I know you're the designated cheerleader for MOS, but tone it down.
I swear, sometimes I figure you have a MOS tattoo on your forehead and an altar dedicated to "The One True Light".
We're talking about obsolete kit that no one else in the free world cares about, regardless of variant.
Does MOS on the PB support built in wifi yet? I've still got a nice paperweight here with an Apple logo on it that I can't use.
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Does MOS on the PB support built in wifi yet?
Interesting what will happen first, support for this built-in PowerBook WiFi in MorphOS, or support for any built-in WiFi in any AmigaOS 4 compatible hardware (assuming such hardware, having built-in WiFi, will ever emerge).
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If they made OS 4.0 so it could be used on all Computers, i think they will sell a lot more i think :-) of course i like the Original Amigas best, but it could be cool if OS 4.0 could run on all newer Computers :)
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TMHG, the guy asked a simple question.
...and I gave him a simple answer covering all his OS4 options, followed by a brief addendum covering his best Amiga NG Laptop option. So everything was properly covered, and his simple question was fully answered! :)
Interesting what will happen first, support for this built-in PowerBook WiFi in MorphOS, or support for any built-in WiFi in any AmigaOS 4 compatible hardware (assuming such hardware, having built-in WiFi, will ever emerge).
Good point! :lol: ;)
If they made OS 4.0 so it could be used on all Computers, i think they will sell a lot more i think :-) of course i like the Original Amigas best, but it could be cool if OS 4.0 could run on all newer Computers :)
I think that is a great idea, that would definitely be the best thing, wouldn't it? You should tell them this!
:)
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OS4 doesn't support *any* laptop. It doesn't support no x86 machines either.
These are your options if you want OS4:
- X1000 (costs ~$3,000+ and can have up to a half year of delivery time after you succeed in making a pre-order of one). Drivers/support for key features of the motherboard isn't there yet.
- Sam 460 system/Amigaone 500 (ends up at about ~$1,500 including peripherals like case, HDD, etc, taxes and shipping). It performs like a Pegasos 2 (or slightly below), it has some oddities to its expansion options, and the driver situation still isn't 100% in all areas.
- Sam 440 system (ends up at about ~$1,100 including peripherals like case, HDD, etc, taxes and shipping). It's too slow to be meaningful in a modern context (watching todays video's, browsing complex web pages, etc)
- Pegasos 2 G4 (can only be bought second hand). Probably your best option, but can be difficult to find; it's great quality HW, performance is decent, and driver support is possibly best compared to the rest above.
- Amiga PowerUP boards. Obsolete. For masochists only.
If you want "Amiga NG" with Laptop support, your best option is MorphOS on a Mac PowerBook (PPC). MorphOS also runs on PPC PowerMac's, Mac Mini's etc, all easily available as second hand, at prices ranging between $50-$250, and their top level versions perform at the same level or better than the $3,000+ X1000 mentioned above. MorphOS per se also gives huge benefits over OS4, if you are interested in knowing about that you can ask by starting a new thread with that topic! ;)
There! Hopes that helps!
:)
Yes that helps, many thanks :)
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Interesting what will happen first, support for this built-in PowerBook WiFi in MorphOS, or support for any built-in WiFi in any AmigaOS 4 compatible hardware (assuming such hardware, having built-in WiFi, will ever emerge).
ahh support for wireless on AROS will be first. :P
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You didn't answer my question though, TMHG.
I've been itching to reg MOS on my PB, as I do really enjoy the OS and heartily recommend it to anyone who will listen - is inbuilt wifi supported?
A laptop I need to plug into ethernet is effectively a paperweight to me.
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If you want "Amiga NG" with Laptop support, your best option is MorphOS on a Mac PowerBook (PPC).
:)
Or AROS of course which should run on most bog-standard PCs including the laptop the OP probably already has.
http://vmwaros.blogspot.co.uk/
If you just want to run classic Amiga apps, you can run up to AmigaOS 3.9 on WinUAE, the best way to get it (and all the roms legally and easy to use) is to buy Amiga Forever:
http://www.amigaforever.com/
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
No OS4 on a laptop.
You may try AROS on your Acer. Or if you get hold of a Powerbok you may try MorphOS on that. With OS4 there's no way to use it on a laptop. The mysterious OS4 netbook (aka the Limebook) is probably vapor only and ridiculously underpowered anyway.
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
Not possible with OS4, but you can run AROS (with seamless UAE ) either as native or hosted on Win7.
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That was a shame. What do i need to get it? i thought i could emulate it
i suggest if you're interested in next-generation amiga computing, you visit a site that hasn't been taken over completely by whack-jobs and ask your question there, such as amigaworld.net (http://www.amigaworld.net) or amigans.net (http://www.amigans.net). you can also visit the official amigaOS website (http://www.amigaos.net) for a basic introduction or intuitionbase.com (http://www.intuitionbase.com).
there are loads of other sites, too. just search on the 'net. :)
now to try and answer your question directly: there are plenty of both new and used next-gen amiga systems which run amigaOS 4.x for you to choose from. among the systems shipping today include the amigaone X1000 (http://www.a-eon.com/?page=x1000) at the high-end and the amigaone 500 (http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=7) in the middle. both offer good performance but are a tad pricey. moreover although they both support much newer technologies than any other amiga NG systems -- such as PCIe-hosted radeonHD video cards -- those cards don't currently have working 3D support, so you'd have to wait for OS4.2 for that.
other systems include the SAM440ep-flex (http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=2) boards, which can be had new for under e300. those systems work quite well, but are quite a bit slower than modern PC hardware or indeed any of the other amiga NG systems. i have one, and really enjoy it for playing games, watching standard-resolution videos, and the like. web browsing is a bit poky, though, in my experience.
then you have systems from the previous generation of amiga NG machines. the amigaone XE is a good option, but you need to be careful. a few of these boards had hardware issues, so only purchase one if the seller is someone well-known in the community. a mini-ITX version, the micro-A1, is a lovely little board, but unfortunately you're limited to only 32MB of video memory, so using it with a huge display is a bit tough. and of course there is the pegasos2 board from genesi, which i also have. a good compromise and all-rounder, the G4-based board works great as a next-gen amiga and can also run linux, morphos, and even older versions of mac OS X.
you might find this comparison table (http://amigaworld.net/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=806) useful in your investigations.
lastly there was a netbook announced at amiwest last year which would ship for around $400USD inclusive; we haven't heard anything since, though, so keep your eyes and ears open as news from amiwest 2012 trickles in next month.
-- eliyahu
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You didn't answer my question though, TMHG.
I've been itching to reg MOS on my PB, as I do really enjoy the OS and heartily recommend it to anyone who will listen - is inbuilt wifi supported?
A laptop I need to plug into ethernet is effectively a paperweight to me.
no, it isn't; at least not yet. neither is 3D graphics supported either with the R300 chipsets. both are coming eventually, though.
-- eliyahu
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I've been itching to reg MOS on my PB, as I do really enjoy the OS and heartily recommend it to anyone who will listen - is inbuilt wifi supported?
Not yet
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Super, thanks a bunch, Dan.
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You didn't answer my question though, TMHG.
Krashan did, in the post following right after yours, so why should I? ;)
If you want "Amiga NG" with Laptop support, your best option is MorphOS on a Mac PowerBook (PPC).
:)
Or AROS of course
Yes of course, AROS on a virtual machine. However, while similar in some ways (most prominently the 3.1 legacy background and API), AROS is something different than what both OS4 and MorphOS is today and aims to be, not only philosophically, but also technologically; it doesn't play in the same league! Please note that I'm not saying it's bad/worse or anything like that, not at all, I'm not saying you can't have fun with AROS, not at all (so please don't try to make it like I would be flaming AROS here, that's not what it's about), just that there are fundamental differences, and if you are talking about "Best option for Amiga NG with Laptop support in the context of what OS4 is [hence also MorphOS but not AROS]" (which kind of is what you commented on above, as well as the OP question), then the answer can *only* be MorphOS on a PowerBook! And that's even before you start considering the actual features of the various OS's; OS4 simply lacks all kind of laptop support and AROS doesn't qualify the conditions of the quote(*). Then of course, if you start comparing the actual features of the OS's, the "your best option" only becomes more obvious!
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(* = Edited for clarity)
Yes that helps, many thanks :)
Glad I could help, good luck!
:)
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We see the question in post #1:
Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop?
Then we see an answer, which starts from:
now to try and answer your question directly:
After that, we read three lenghty paragraphs about six computers (three with links), none of which even resembles a laptop. AmigaOS 4 marketing at its best :-). But hey, finally we can learn that...
there was a netbook announced at amiwest last year which would ship for around $400USD inclusive; we haven't heard anything since
So, after all we know what the direct answer is. Anyway, don't forget that MorphOS does not yet support AirPort module in PowerBooks, and incoming 3D support for its Radeon 9700 chip must be vapourware. :roflmao:
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OS4 simply lacks all kind of laptop support and AROS doesn't qualify the conditions of the question.
I really hate to say this, TMHG, but you need to read better. :)
The original question was: Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop?
and it included this qualifier:It is an Acer and has Windows 7
That means the answer "can *only* be" AROS, not MorphOS and not OS 4.0.
And bear in mind, I support BOTH AROS and MorphOS. The only reason I don't support OS 4.0 is because total cost of ownership is just too damn pricey.
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Emulation IS possible. Some users with patience and skills enough have already tweaked a version of QEMU (http://wiki.qemu.org) to run it.
PearPC should also be easy to tweak in order to run AOS.
The problem is that no one would give you (or me) that version of QEMU, and if you're crazy enough to code it by yourself, you'll be crucified by several users only by telling the community you have it.
The best way to try something Amiga-like (IMHO) is to buy a 2nd hand Powerbook G4 and wait for the release of MorphOS 3d and internal wireless drivers...
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I really hate to say this, TMHG, but you need to read better. :)
So do you, or more specifically you need to pay attention to following the comments in the discussion as it evolves, since your comment would suit the OP but not as a comment to my post:
Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop?
OS4 doesn't support *any* laptop. It doesn't support no x86 machines either.
Best option for Amiga NG with Laptop support in the context of what OS4 is
OS4 ~ MorphOS != AROS
;)
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@TMHG
"OS4 ~ MorphOS != AROS"
Yes you are right. Aros runs natively on classic hardware without needing additional PPC or used Macs so Aros is different to OS4 and MorphOS :razz:
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
There is allegedly a netbook mini laptop in the works, allegedly for release in 2012. I think we were originally to expect that to come out this past summer. I'm looking forward to whenever it actually does come out.
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But it is still not his Notebook but a new and different hardware
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@EDanaII
Just as a follow-up:
Re-reading the OP once again, I guess you can have two points of view/focuses for interest:
- Hardware focus:
- The most important thing to you is x86 hardware, preferably HW you already own
- The OS must be free of charge
- The OS must be open source
- The OS is of less importance, but an OS that in some way resembles the Amiga instead of being just another Linux distro would be nice
- Then the answer can *only* be AROS, and you install your virtual machine hosted AROS distro!
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- Amiga (NG) focus:
- The most important thing is the OS (like the level of Amiga compatibility, features, what Amiga standards/API's it includes (CGX, MUI, Poseidon, etc), the user environment (Ambient), stability, evolution, old/new application symbiosis, etc)
- It is of less importance whether your hobby costs some money
- It is of less importance whether it's closed source
- Then the answer can *only* be MorphOS, and you start here (http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware) to write a shopping list, then head over here (http://www.ebay.com/) to shop.
If you choose to pay more attention to the second part of the OP post, then you have a x86 HW focus. You did that.
If you choose to pay more attention to the first part of the OP post, then you have an Amiga/OS focus. I did that.
Both can of course be "right for you", it's a matter of Point of View and what's most important to you.
:)
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- Then the answer can *only* be MorphOS
Or AmigaOS 4.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :) But it's up to the OP whether he prefers AOS or MOS... but saying it's *only* MorphOS - well, even you must admit that that's not true!
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Or AmigaOS 4.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :) But it's up to the OP whether he prefers AOS or MOS... but saying it's *only* MorphOS - well, even you must admit that that's not true!
For certain persons there is only one "choice" be it MOS or AmigaOS. In case of TMHG it can only be MOS (the other choices are technical inferior and/or too expensive in his view). Simple as that...
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@TMHG
"OS4 ~ MorphOS != AROS"
Yes you are right. Aros runs natively on classic hardware without needing additional PPC or used Macs so Aros is different to OS4 and MorphOS :razz:
I guess you tried to make some kind of point there (not sure about what exactly though), but it still doesn't change the fact that OS4 ~ MorphOS != AROS. Not saying that AROS is bad or worse than OS4/MorphOS in any way, just that the two former has philosophical and technological features and ambitions that are similar, and that fundamentally differs from the latter. For this reason, the former two can (in a sense) be "grouped together", and they kind of compete about the same target audience. The latter doesn't. So when someone asks about whether there is some kind of laptop for OS4, it's not technically wrong to say "unfortunately no" but hint about the fact that MorphOS offers exactly that. Of course you (and everyone else) is free to hint about AROS on virtual machines as well (as has been done many times already in this thread), but chances are actually kind of big that this isn't at all what the OP cares about!
;)
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Netbook are supported for a long time already (at least some)
And yes Aros and MOS/AOS have different concepts f.e. in the integration of 68k (that is necessary because of Aros supporting lots of different hardware-platforms).
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Or AmigaOS 4.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
Well, the *only* way the answer could *ever* be "OS4" is if you have the third (unmentioned above) focus: The Boing Ball (TM) focus! :p :lol:
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
but saying it's *only* MorphOS - well, even you must admit that that's not true!
Eeh, Really?
The MorphOS laptops are here (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1311&_nkw=power+book+g4&_sacat=0)!
Where can I find an OS4 laptop?
:confused:
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TMHG >> People like you have the opposite effect on me, you only make shy away from MOS.
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@TMHG
OK, fair point, I forgot he said laptop.
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
No, but you could give AROS a try. ;)
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Never mind. Didn't realise the thread was +1 page.
@Admins - I'm not a fan of the change to 15-posts per page. It's not the same as other Amiga forums (20-per page) and I'm sure it's not the same as it used to be. Hence not realisoing the thread had gone to >1 pages.
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you might find this comparison table (http://amigaworld.net/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=806) useful in your investigations.
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just a small note:
PA6T supports at least 16GB of RAM. Is nemo somehow limited? The comparisson table indicates that maximum is 4GB???
and... ;-)
Memory bandwidth might be interesting to some buyer.
Most have 64bit interface, but IIRC SAM440ep has 32bit interface and x1000 has 128bit (2x64) interface.
and another note:
The x1000 CPU is dualcore, some buyer might be interested to be ready for multicore aware AOS.
and SAM440ep PCI slot is 33Mhz, not 66. The onboard GPU is on the 66Mhz interface of the SoC.
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OS4, being a 32-bit operating system which reserves half the address space for error messages, is limited to (2^32)/2 = 2GB.
It would be surprising if Nemo was limited to 4GB though...
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You didn't answer my question though, TMHG.
You are violating the we-don't-talk-to-TMHGM-about-AmigaNG-matters rule. This thread's painful death is on you, and you only.
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And people wonder why amiga is doomed to obscurity.
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@runequester
Because the actual "amiga" its a shame for the amiga.
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@runequester
Because the actual "amiga" its a shame for the amiga.
???
Could you run that one by me again?
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Never mind. Didn't realise the thread was +1 page.
@Admins - I'm not a fan of the change to 15-posts per page. It's not the same as other Amiga forums (20-per page) and I'm sure it's not the same as it used to be. Hence not realisoing the thread had gone to >1 pages.
No change has been made to the site to limit it to 15 posts per page.
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@lassie
Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
No. Amiga OS 4.0 runs on certain specific PPC system cards.
To run Amiga OS 4.0 you will have to purchase a compatible PPC system, or add a compatible PPC accelerator card to your existing Amiga 4000 or Amiga 1200 system.
For example:
Amiga 1200 plus Blizzard PPC 603e
Amiga 4000 plus Cyberstorm PPC604e
AmigaOS 4.1 for Classic Amigas is available at http://www.amigakit.com
Please read the system requirements before you purchase the CD.
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redfox
MicroA1 + Amiga OS 4.1 Update 5
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@lassie
No. Amiga OS 4.0 runs on certain specific PPC system cards.
To run Amiga OS 4.0 you will have to purchase a compatible PPC system, or add a compatible PPC accelerator card to your existing Amiga 4000 or Amiga 1200 system.
For example:
Amiga 1200 plus Blizzard PPC 603e
Amiga 4000 plus Cyberstorm PPC604e
AmigaOS 4.1 for Classic Amigas is available at http://www.amigakit.com
Please read the system requirements before you purchase the CD.
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redfox
MicroA1 + Amiga OS 4.1 Update 5
Okay thanks i will have a look there :)
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@lassie
No. Amiga OS 4.0 runs on certain specific PPC system cards.
To run Amiga OS 4.0 you will have to purchase a compatible PPC system, or add a compatible PPC accelerator card to your existing Amiga 4000 or Amiga 1200 system.
For example:
Amiga 1200 plus Blizzard PPC 603e
Amiga 4000 plus Cyberstorm PPC604e
AmigaOS 4.1 for Classic Amigas is available at http://www.amigakit.com
Please read the system requirements before you purchase the CD.
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redfox
MicroA1 + Amiga OS 4.1 Update 5
I can see i must upgrade my Amiga quite a bit to get it to run :)
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I think, knowing you're not a terribly technical person, a second hand Sam 440 is the best option for you.
They're cheap, stable and very economical with power, well supported and easily fast enough to play around with. The only downside is that they're too slow for demanding apps or videos, but you can always upgrade to a faster machine if you feel it's worth the money.
I recommend getting an SSD for it instead of a normal hard disk, then they're silent and really responsive.
AmigaOS 4 is very cool on classics, but I can't recommend it unless you already have a PPC card, and it isn't really suitable for those of us with less experience. :)
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OS4, being a 32-bit operating system which reserves half the address space for error messages, is limited to (2^32)/2 = 2GB.
It would be surprising if Nemo was limited to 4GB though...
AOS4 developers also plan to support more than 2GB, but perhaps not full 64bit yet.
Anyway, if nemo can support only 4GB, it would seem like a major HW bug.
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AOS4 developers also plan to support more than 2GB, but perhaps not full 64bit yet.
Anyway, if nemo can support only 4GB, it would seem like a major HW bug.
Supporting more than that is useless because Amiga operating systems can support only up to 4 GB.
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Supporting more than that is useless because Amiga operating systems can support only up to 4 GB.
AROS 64bit exist already. I'm sure all AOS variants will follow... hopefully AOS4 does it before PA6T silicon dies. ;-)
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AROS 64bit exist already. I'm sure all AOS variants will follow... hopefully AOS4 does it before PA6T silicon dies. ;-)
Yeah yeah yeah... but AROS 64-bit cant run 32-bit binaries. Even if it could those 32-bit applications are still limited to a shared 32-bit address space. In practise it is not even possible use full 4 GB ram because some address space is required for gfx card VMEM and IO.
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Yeah yeah yeah... but AROS 64-bit cant run 32-bit binaries. Even if it could those 32-bit applications are still limited to a shared 32-bit address space. In practise it is not even possible use full 4 GB ram because some address space is required for gfx card VMEM and IO.
3.8 Gigs is addressable on AROS 32Bit ;P
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The point is, if you want to use an intel laptop, you really only have two choices Classic on UAE or AROS. If you add old Mac laptops then you add Morphos. That's all that's available currently.
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Hi can i get Amiga OS 4.0 to run on my laptop? It is an Acer and has Windows 7
well for the many reasons already stated you can't run AmigaOS4.1 on your Acer laptop right now but I suggest you check out http://www.aspireos.com as it's an AROS distro and might just work with your laptop configuration.
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The point is, if you want to use an intel laptop, you really only have two choices Classic on UAE or AROS. If you add old Mac laptops then you add Morphos. That's all that's available currently.
I've got one of those and its a nice performer.
My 1.67 7447 way outperforms the processors used in Acube boards (its almost as fast as a PA6T).
And, of course, when I get MorphOS for my 2.5 GHz G5 Power mac, I'll be way ahead of the X1000 (in performance).
Then again, this isn't OS4 (and I must admit OS4's 3.1 compatibility is getting impressive).