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Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« on: December 03, 2013, 06:03:53 AM »
Hi I already fixed my center adjustment. Now I'm usung SONY DSR-250's 2 of them
there is not a genlock port on the camera.

toaster input 1 clean clear video , add 2nd cam thru genlocked TBC " DPS IV"
2 cards in my unit , the 2nd cam is in sync just the hue is blue
and the TBC is ok if i change the config the other cam goes blue.

i have tried the loop genlock trick , now i'm going to look for Tees to drop genlock sync onto both TBC's DPS IV unit in a DPS-235

cam 1 is clear cam 2 is clear but blue ?
should i auto hue after installing the TBC 's and getting sync roll cleared up

WILL SOME ONE make a KISS Keep it simple stupid drawing showing the correct way to do more than one cam on a set of TBC's DPS IV?

Please Help I'm over 100 hrs into farting around with this thing .
I have check all kinds of stuff like shorts to the VT from the amiga , and even replaced the clock batt. , my caps all Look ok on this board and it is quicksysetm no gurus .

HELP !
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2013, 03:20:55 PM »
I don't know for sure but I think that one of your TBC's are not working, it should lock on to your signal and sync, I have several of these cards and never used them. I have Kitchen sync's now and it is a no brainer. I see them on E bay a lot and for not much coin.
 
 
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2013, 07:06:24 PM »
Ya i have TBC's comming out my barn , I keep changing the TBC and still get Blue hue on camrea 2 swap cams and the " new " input 2 camera is blue "
I have genlock lights on the DPS IV there green
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 10:32:56 PM »
Have you tried to use a black burst generator? Also are you sure your configuration is proper? The TBC IV manual shows 2 cam setup.
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 10:52:05 PM »
Um I dont have a book for the DPS IV ,
love to to have a PDF I have a book on the mainframe 2200 8 card with control
but that just " sums up what a IV looks like ,
PS I have a BB going into 2 other older TBC units there from way back in the day like 90Lbs and Full of boards
with this I can get a working setup , BUT I need the DPS to work as this will be a mobile cart. project,.


I did BB with the DPS and NO LUCK
I still might be wrong about my wiring with the DPS-235 duel TBC unit "
Tank's for the help in advanced
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 11:29:27 PM »
I would bet your cabling is wrong. Its not intuitive how 2 tbc interact with eachother as far as ins and outs goes..
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 05:19:15 AM »
does anyone have the TBC IV by DPS ? and how do you have your genlock chain
as there is only one GL in  and no Out , my old tanks have a GEN Sync loop and there working well , but I'd love to know what i'm doing wrong with this

i have read about daisy chain TBC 1 - TBC 2 but what am i getting stumbed on
I get one color cam and one smurf cam {blue ) hue ppl
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 04:38:27 PM »
I think you've got one bad TBC or the color balance is just way out of center.

That's a digital camera and they don't jitter like analog cameras so correction isn't needed.  If you only needed one, you could go directly into input 1.

That means that you're really just trying to get them in sync at this point and can get by with one genlock to sync the second camera to the first.

Split the output of camera one with a distribution box, not a T.  Ts screw up termination which would show up as either being too light or too dark.
Go out of the distribution box into the genlock in of the TBC.
Go out of the distribution box into input 1 on the Toaster.
Then run the other camera through the TBC to input 2 on the Toaster.

That should genlock the second camera to the first and since neither needs jitter correction, you should be good to go.

Normally you use a black burst generator going into both TBC's genlock input, but with a digital camera and a distribution box you can use the first camera as the blackburst generator.

If the camera has two composite outputs, forget the distribution box and run one to toaster input 1 and one to genlock in on the TBC.

Good luck.

Edit: It looks like you've got one RCA and one BNC composite output, so I'd forget the distribution box.  Use the RCA to connect to genlock in on the TBC and the BNC for connection to Toaster input 1.
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Re: Toaster TBC's and 2 Cameras Help
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 05:22:43 PM »
BOING ! one bad TBC DPS IV wonder if i can fix it ?

also
does anyone know where to look for tutorials on using the toaster as a live switcher

also what does a guy need t o make SONY BVW-75 and other decks edit control 422 from the amiga toaster ?

I thought there was a FTP site with " Video tuts " online somewhere
I have a toaster paint vid I share . if there were  a collection
tanks! again
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