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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: asian1 on November 03, 2002, 05:25:54 PM
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>Amiga1 with G4
Hi
I want to ask:
1. Can AmigaOS 4 or Linux PowerPC use Altivec unit on G4?
Is there any application that use this FP Vector unit?
2. Pegasos plan to release Dual G4 CPU module.
Is there any similar CPU module for Amiga1?
3. I want to use Amiga1 with Video Capture card / external USB Video Capture device. Is this possible?
Any driver for the card / USB device?
Thank you.
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1) I think there's Altivec support in the latest version of GCC, so I think taking use of Altivec will be possible almost immediately. None of the existing Amiga apps use altivec, I do not know about LinuxPPC apps.
2) I think A1 can use same CPU cards than some apple models (like the G4 Cube). There exists such cards also from third parties (up to dual 1.2Ghz)... Surely some driver/HAL work is needed, though. And kernel support for SMP. I do not think we se SMP support on OS4 anytime soon, but I bet some geek will implement some weird WarpUP2 library that enables AMP...
3) Not possible untill the needed SW is ready. I have no idea when...
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3. I want to use Amiga1 with Video Capture card / external USB Video Capture device. Is this possible?
You and me both !!
I want to migrate (repatriate?) My capture/editing back to Amiga asap.
Someone in a previous thread said there was a rumour Matrox was coding the RT.X10 for A1....
(http://www.matrox.com/vid_images/rtx10/rtx10_bundle_cds.gif)
If only that were true... I'd put up with poxy Premiere to get that EQ on A1.
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Well what prime configuration do most of you Amigans think would be the ultimate AmigaOne setup?
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Is there an "Ultimate" possible ??
I've got a couple of 120gig drives to go into my A1-Xe..
Probably get the 256mb Parhelia as well (running G550 atm)
2gig ram ( In for a penny, in for a pound)
Afformentioned Edit suite (or better)
Already got one 21" Monitor so, Another would be cool.
Sony DVD burner
This case
(http://www.thermaltake.com/images/products/cases/6000/a6000aplus.jpg) ( as mentioned previously by VortexAU)
That'll do to be starting with !!
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-G4/800 (preferably with 2MB of L3 cache)
-2GB RAM
-Radeon9700PRO (AIW model with firewire when it appears)
-SB Audigy (with firewire)
-PCI-A1200 bridge
-one slot free for SCSI RAID system or something
+ the usual bunch of stuff (a few 60GB 7200rpm IDE drives in SW RAID configuration, DVD drive, CD-RW, Antec tower case, 3D sound system, dual LCD monitors, etc...)
(I do not plan any use for the fourth PCI slot untill it is clear how well it works with the 2xAGP slot)
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@ksk
I kinda have a similiar setup in mind, but as long as we are figuring the "Ultimate AmigaOne" Then lets make it like this:
-Dual G4/1GHz or better (preferably with 2MB of L3 cache)
-2GB RAM
-Radeon9700PRO (AIW model with firewire when it appears)
-SoundBlaster Audigy2
-PCI LVD Ultra160 SCSI
-Two LVD Ultra160 SCSI 120GB drives (stripped for speed)
---> THIS CASE <---- (http://www.frozencase.com/frozen.asp?menu=home)
---> THIS MONITOR <--- (http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_x9g_agama.htm)
---> THESE SPEAKERS <--- (http://www.klipsch.com/index.asp?path=/products/productdetail.asp?frame=y&id=398&line=Promedia&1)
And of course matching keyboard, mouse.
Oh yeah, and toss in that Matrox RT.X10 Paul was talking about just for fun!
:-P
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1) Linux/PPC's gcc toolchain has supported VMX (AltiVec) for a very long time, but there aren't many Linux/PPC developers to begin with and they typically use older Macs so there hasn't been much development. Some codecs may use VMX for FFT and whatnot.
VMX is actually pretty easy to optimize for. You can even do it in C as opposed to assembly. You can also use a compiler known as VAST to auto-vectorize your C or FORTRAN source for VMX and/or SMP.
2) Not yet. Somebody on this forum speculated that dual G4 cards for Macs would work, I *highly* doubt this is true.
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@Herewegoagain:
That case look AWESOME, but it doesn't seem to be for sale yet...
If you have money to burn, THIS (http://www.enermax.com.tw/cs-5190al001.htm) is a cool case ($380 though!)
Unless I see something better, I'm getting either one of these (http://www.lian-li.com/product.php?action=viewPD&prdid=771) or maybe one of these (http://www.lian-li.com/product.php?action=viewPD&prdid=944). The second in particular is supposed to be pretty quiet, cos it's only got 2 case fans. It's also a bit smaller than a standard minitower (but deeper).
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The_Editor wrote:
This case
(http://www.thermaltake.com/images/products/cases/6000/a6000aplus.jpg) ( as mentioned previously by VortexAU)
That'll do to be starting with !!
Isn't that just a modded Chieftec/Antec case?
In that case (har har) I prefer the original.
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if someone would port a dvb-s driver/capture prog, and a decent svcd encoder, like Tsunami mpeg encoder... I would be all happy :-)
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@codesmith
Yeah, those cases are pretty cool. There is a company here in the states that has these (http://www.colorcases.com/cases/0204.html) as well as some that are similiar to that other one you liked (scroll down the list). (http://www.colorcases.com/cases/cases.html)
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I might be ordering a case tomorrow (as well as an AmigaOne and all the other stuff I need). Seems you guys are into fancy cases. I myself would prefer something plainer. Basically, I'm looking for something which:
*Is approximately the same color as the rest of my computer equipment, including my CDRW (pot black case with light grey drives - bad idea).
*Isn't noisy, and not too susceptible for vibrating (some sort of rubber dampening in the bays is a good idea).
*Can be opened easily from the side.
*Is spacious, but not too large (my old PowerTower is about the right size).
*Has an elegant design. Nothing lavish. A flat top is an advantage (I might want to put stuff there).
*is available in Norway.
Currently my eyes are on a Chieftech Dragon aluminium midi-tower, but suggestions are welcome.
Kay
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@Herewegoagain:
Thanks for the info, there's a shop near where I live that stocks it as well - every now and then I go pretending to look at motherboards etc, but primarily to drool at that case :-D
I guess if I really wanted to I could save a bit and buy it (I'm going to have to save up for the price difference between the G3 and G4 anyway - that was a surprise announcement!), but I just can't justify to myself the ~$400 pricetag for a glorified shoebox :-P
In case anyone's wondering what all the fuss is about, here's a picture of that case (yes, the front *is* slanted):
(http://www.enermax.com.tw/images/cs-5190-3.jpg)
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Blomberg wrote:
The_Editor wrote:
This case
(http://www.thermaltake.com/images/products/cases/6000/a6000aplus.jpg) ( as mentioned previously by VortexAU)
That'll do to be starting with !!
Well, according to most net reviews (like
Isn't that just a modded Chieftec/Antec case?
In that case (har har) I prefer the original.
Well, according to most net reviews (like this one (http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/cases/thermaltake_xaserII/1.php)), it's a pretty cool case mod. I've been considering it, but it's kinda big - I already have a PC under my table, so my new Amiga would sit on top (since it will be more silent and run cooler), and a full-size tower like that is a bit much to sit on my desk...
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Seems you guys are into fancy cases.
Not necessarily Kay. I like the simple but elegant cases too. And the brushed aluminum on a case with nice clean lines usually does that for me as well (notice "The Frozen Case") It really is kinda plain except the cutouts and the neon light. I tend to like stuff that matches the other stuff too.
The Dragon cases are really popular, and I don't think you would go wrong with it.
but I just can't justify to myself the ~$400 pricetag for a glorified shoebox
I hear ya man. That's almost the cost of the AmigaOne SE, lol. Better try to go with a cheaper case and get the higher spec'd XE to put it in.
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@Herewegoagain
---> THESE SPEAKERS <--- (http://www.klipsch.com/index.asp?path=/products/productdetail.asp?frame=y&id=398&line=Promedia&1)
Those are the speakers I currently have and I am here to tell you that you WON'T be disappointed with the sound these babies kick out. The sub will remove all fixtures from your walls! :-D
Blitter
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AmigaOne XE in a case like Draco Cube (http://amiga.emugaming.com/draco.html) :-)
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these speakers are the shiznad:
Harmon Multimedia (http://www.harmanmultimedia.com/shop_detail.html?cart=HK2%5F103392679063411&sku=creature&id1=2)
8-)
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Im a wee bit nonconformist, so ;
case = www.xoxide.com/clearacatxca.html
screen = www.panoramtech.com/products/pv230.html
sound = http://www.klipsch.com/
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DethKnight,
The clear case is awesome and I have had much seriousness in getting one of those, but I hear it doesn't protect you from electromagnetic death rays :crazy:
WARNING:
This product is meant for education purposes only. It is unknown how much protection it provides EMR (electromagnetic radiation), if it provides any protection at all.
now the above warning is from this site:
PCmods (http://www.pcmods.com/details.asp?ProdID=551)
If you find out that it's not as bad as it sounds and that we're getting zapped daily from other radioactive materials anyways, let me know!
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It's not you that needs protecting from "death rays" coming from your PC - it's the quality of reception of any radio/TV equipment you (or your neighbours) may have. An AmigaOne with an 800MHz G4 CPU will radiate EM waves at the 800MHz spectrum from the CPU itself and 133MHz from all the traces in the motherboard. There are some components on the mobo itself to stop this (it weakens the signals going from chip to chip if it's all radiated away), but you need some form of shielding to block the rest. On a radio tuned to that frequency you will hear all sorts of interesting white noise, and on a TV you will get 'snow'.
Cool avatar, BTW :-D
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If ya sit within 3 feet of your monitor, providing its not LcD/TFT then, game's over anyway.
Why worry about mobo/drives/psu
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CodeSmith,
Me was being sarcastic, but thanks for the information/insight though :-D
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CodeSmith wrote:
In case anyone's wondering what all the fuss is about, here's a picture of that case (yes, the front *is* slanted):
It looks like the bottom half of a Dalek!
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@The_Editor
I'm on the Matrox ML and I got sent a CD with mini clips on showing off what the RTx10 and x100 can do, impressive stuff! That's why I mentioned it in my post, it'd be a great bonus to have something like that on the A1. Since Matrox and Amiga have some kind of 'relationship', it wouldn't be out of the question for an Amiga developer to get the hardware details.
@Thomas
An Amiga equivelant of TMPEnc would be cool,as would a clone of VirtualDub.
-john
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DethKnght wrote:
screen www.panoramtech.com/products/pv230.html
Now that`s what I call monitor!!!! :-)
Does anyone knows how much does it costs?
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@AmigaMac
The clear case is awesome and I have had much seriousness in getting one of those, but I hear it doesn't protect you from electromagnetic death rays
Well you could always contact NASA and ask the for the details of the company that make the visors for the astronauts.
They're coated with a special 24 carat gold film which stops all kind of 'death rays'. The same technology is used on the cockpit windows on Concorde.
Not only would it protect you, but it would look pretty cool as well.
"Titanium-schmanium, my A1's case is 24 carat gold!"*
-john
*coated
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@Dagon
well, it's a bit price-prohibitive, but they were asking "ultimate"
http://www4.tomshardware.com/smoke/01q2/010622/smoke-07.html
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A in-core multitasking multiplatforming (AmigaDE-in-a-flash-chip) with as much gigaherzes as you may willing to pay for, A custom chipse for adressing memory and expansions (five expansion slots that'll do me) in a slick CDTV case and a cordless keyboard + mouse (using bluetooth to annihilate interference) and two good custom made joypads (one pure digital Atari2600 stick and on the other side a tiny trackball and on the front two "balls" (like on modern mouses in the middle) and four buttons on the back. The interface of AmigaDE must be a bit redesigned, but my wishes for that costs another page (while I only want it far smaller with no "pre-installed" stuff to struggle with and a very direct "usable file handling"), Of course a DVD-burner (SCSI) and a harddisk built-in, Also must there be an apart custom expansion slot for the video card. And of course all this stuff must be QUIET I do not like noise through my delicate sensible music and I do not wish to fuss around with drivers etcetera I want next-gen Amiga :pint:
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@Speelgoedmannetje
Your sig - The average IQ is 100. Thats why windows is so popular.
What an excellent Sig :-)