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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: XDelusion on December 10, 2002, 04:51:23 AM

Title: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: XDelusion on December 10, 2002, 04:51:23 AM
 What FPS' were on the classic Amiga?

 I remember Genetic Species which made the smart move and went open source.

 Then there was Alien Breed 3D which is highly outdated, but I want a copy bad, unfortunatly it's owners are dead, and you can't find a copy anywhere.

 There was Gloom, which seems available on some of the ADF sites (thank gawd).


 And of course we have Quake (can't find), Quake 2 (too expensive (is only $10 for PC atm), and the legendary DOOM, but no Legacy or ZDOOM type ports. :/


 Other than that, I forget what else there was, can anyone help with this list?
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: R2D2 on December 10, 2002, 05:03:57 AM
Alien Breed 3D 2, Gloom Deluxe, Hexen and Heretic. There were more but I can't remember them now..
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Kay on December 10, 2002, 05:58:47 AM
Let's see:
Nemac IV (which I think was very good), Fears (which was quite good too), Testament (which I haven't really played), Hexen 2 (I think), Doom 2, Heretic 2, and Shogo.

Kay
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: on December 10, 2002, 06:48:56 AM
Breathless worked pretty fast with a good resolution. Not sure if it worked with RTG instead of just AGA.
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: XDelusion on December 10, 2002, 07:59:21 AM
 I recall there was once a ECS based FPS out there that even ran pretty well on a 68000 with some details turned off.
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: JurassicCamper on December 10, 2002, 08:08:37 AM
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XDelusion wrote:
 What FPS' were on the classic Amiga?

 I remember Genetic Species which made the smart move and went open source.

 


Personally i'm fed up with games on the Amiga, because appart from Wipeout 2097 and Payback (which I cant play now until i get OS4) all we have a first person shooters and real time stratergy games.

What we need are games like :-

Gran Turismo 3
Tony Hawks pro Skater
Mat Hoffman pro BMX
SSX Tricky
Fifa 2003

my 2 pence.
 :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: XDelusion on December 10, 2002, 06:11:47 PM
 Actually the Amiga game collection was mostly made of console type games, and I was always upset at the lack of quality RPG's and FPS' out there, but ya anyhow you look at the game collection, half that crap was on the Genesis and SNES or something like that, so perhaps you'll get your wish and Amiga will some day become consoleish again in its future, that is if it does not die first.
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Nick on December 10, 2002, 06:54:20 PM
Well I like FPSers, but as MANY have you have heard a hundred times. I really want flightsims. Yes
things like the excellent GT3 would be cool for the Amiga, but that is asking a little much at the
moment. I actually find it quite hard to open my wallet for Amiga games. Ever since having my PSX,
then PS2 its been difficult. I have a few. Things like Napalm (WAHOO I found my CD today, Been lost
for months), Myst and Foundation DC. My PS2 games whoop anything currently available for the Amiga.
This is a shame. I REALLY do want a flight simulation though. A proper, complex flightsim. Something
to get my teeth into.

As for whats available at the moment, after playing Quake 2 at the WOASE I was impressed. I may even
get this when I have the money. Yes it costs, but we do have to buy some games. Something I hope to
do more of in the future. Breathless was a damn good game. I got to one of the last levels. I think
it was the penultimate level, then I lost the security sheet. ANNOYING!

Title: Re: Frag!
Post by: blobrana on December 10, 2002, 07:30:50 PM
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: MagicSN on December 11, 2002, 03:16:58 AM
About the price of Quake 2: If you compare it to the price of Heretic II for Amiga, which
was released looooong ago, you will find out that Quake 2 is *cheaper*. And it was
released just recently.

I am starting to be seriously p*ssed off with any person claiming Quake 2 for Amiga would be expensive. With dealer margin and Taxes it was really not possible to make it cheaper. The alternative would have been not releasing it at all, not even for download (I could still play it, even if I wouldn't have released it...).

If you only buy games, which are not cheaper on the PC, you won't buy many games,
BTW. Any games ported from the PC will ALWAYS be noticably cheaper on the PC
at the time the Amiga version is released.

I think 39 EUR for a new game (and on Amiga Quake 2 *is* a new game) is a fine
price. And now let's end this discussion for always.

Steffen Haeuser
Hyperion Entertainment
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters - one more for the list?
Post by: tomfin on December 11, 2002, 08:22:09 AM
Anyone remember Behind the Iron Gate?  Surely it counts, it *was* a FPS, albeit an early one in '95, and it ran on the humble A500 too.  You can get yourself an ADF from here, it seems: AP53 Disks (http://amigacoverdisks.emuunlim.com/AP53.shtml)

Don't expect huge layers of prettiness - blue bad guys on blue floors with blue walls fading into the blue distance, if i remember correctly :-)  Didn't stop us from playing the demo to death, though... I only had a 500 at that time.

- tomfin
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters - one more for the list?
Post by: Guyver on December 11, 2002, 09:02:15 AM
aren't you forgetting the first FPS for the Amiga. Called Deathmask, was more ugly than, a cow getting beat with a dead rat. Well i dont if that even qualifies, but it was very ugly. I haven't played it though, but i cant belive that is was any good.

Others FPS games for Amiga.....hhmm lets thimk, there was:
Death Mask
Testament 1+2
Gloom 1+2+3+Deluxe
Genetic Species
Breathless
Fears
Alien Breed 3D 1+2
Newmac IV
Doom
Heretic 1+2
Hexen
Shogo
Quake 1+2

Hope i'm not forgetting any1.

Oohh and by the way i have Alien Breed 3D 1+2 on ADF-files if any1 has an interest. Although I havent tried them much, since the only performed about 1 frames per minuter...well maybe not that slow....but it was very ssllooooooooowwwww :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D .
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: KennyR on December 11, 2002, 10:10:23 AM
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I remember Genetic Species which made the smart move and went open source.


Why was that smart? So far we're hardly innundated with games coded using the GS engine. I think more people were more interested by the fact you could download it for free. The people who really wanted it bought it at the time; by the time it was made freely downloadable it was looking rather dated, even for an Amiga game. Perhaps if more people would have actually bought it we'd have Genetic Species 2...

I'm still puzzled why people think open-sourcing is a good thing when it actually kills the project 9 times out of 10...  :-?
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters - one more for the list?
Post by: KennyR on December 11, 2002, 10:12:11 AM
There was also Citadel, but that was also ugly as hell and to be honest not very good.
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters - one more for the list?
Post by: Lodbro on December 11, 2002, 10:22:53 AM
how many of the games mentioned in this thread can be run on a standard a3k with no expansions?
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters - one more for the list?
Post by: Desolator on December 11, 2002, 10:30:09 AM
"I really want flightsims"

Yeah, Falcon 5 (when it comes.) for OS4 would be a blast. Or Falcon 4 too for that matter... then I could tick off yet another reason not to have a PC.  :-D
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Herewegoagain on December 11, 2002, 12:18:44 PM
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My PS2 games whoop anything currently available for the Amiga.


Yeah, of course.  But an AmigaOne with Radeon 8500 will be able to kick your PS2's butt!  :)


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If you only buy games, which are not cheaper on the PC, you won't buy many games,
BTW. Any games ported from the PC will ALWAYS be noticably cheaper on the PC
at the time the Amiga version is released.


Very true Steffen.  That's the case for anything, even the Mac has this problem.

Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: dezignersrepublic on December 11, 2002, 05:16:13 PM
Ahh I remember the days when everyone was trying to produce their own textmap engine, anyway the best ones (form aminet) were:

Poom (great graphics for the time)
Speed (very kewl, you can even use 3d glasses and get a true 3d mode)
Trick or treat (horrible graphics but great mulitplayer game and I think it works on an a500)
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Nick on December 11, 2002, 06:34:27 PM
Well I only have two reasons why I would want a PC.

1 Flight sims. I don`t really care about any of the other games.

2 Lightwave 7.5. Though hopefully Realsoft3D will be good enough to stop that craving.

There are so many gaps in the games market on the Amiga. He have no upto date simulations of any kind.

Another game to add to your list of FPSers is Corporation. OK graphics for then, but with a control system which made it horrible. It may be a good game, but I`ll be damned if I`ll play it.
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: AmiDelf on December 11, 2002, 07:30:23 PM
Shadow Of The Third Moon is a great flight simulator.. I loved it...

The best firstperson shooter for Amiga must be Gloom Deluxe. Never had so much fun and it got splitmode in 2 players mode also, wich is really, really fun..

Then we have Breathless.. Loved that game, but wich fool found up such stupid code paper... I cant find my red paper anywhere wich irritates me a lot.

Hrmf...
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: ikir on December 11, 2002, 07:39:25 PM
SHOGO is fantastic :-)
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: SlimJim on December 11, 2002, 07:41:55 PM
Shadow of the Third moon was very good. But for some reason
I was never able to save the game, so I never had the chance
to get into it. Very dull to be forced to replay the training missions
each time you start the game...
 And eventually it just refused to work. A very quirky and unstable
game that, from the very beginning.
.
SlimJim
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Kay on December 11, 2002, 08:01:25 PM
Hyperion has indeed made the best contributions to this genre on the Amiga. I have both Heretic 2 and Shogo, and I am planning to buy Quake 2, as soon as I find someone to buy it from. The only downside is speed, although that's not Hyperion's fault. My BlizzardPPC200MHz isn't really fast enough to play Shogo satisfactorily, and H2 is close to unplayable. Looking forward to see them running on the AmigaOne though!

Oh, btw, Steffen: Was that Majesty I saw on one of those ARC2002 photos? Any ETA on that game?

Kay
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: XDelusion on December 12, 2002, 08:37:34 AM
 Sorry, no offence met about the price deal, I just ment that it is too expensive for me, sorry, I just play games no matter what it is on, well unless it is PS2. :)
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Darmaster70 on December 12, 2002, 11:20:38 PM
Alien Breed 3D AGA                  Ocean                   $  9.00
I saw it on sofhut's website. Click on daily specials and scroll down to the software section.
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: Darmaster70 on December 12, 2002, 11:23:54 PM
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=used_hardware/used_index.html&cart_id=8266957_23802
Title: Re: Amiga First Person Shooters
Post by: XDelusion on December 13, 2002, 08:57:35 PM
 Wish the Amiga had an Unreal port for me to look foward to, now that is one port I'd pay a few extra bucks to play on Amiga over the PC version, as the PC version just seems too damn flakey. Anyhow if you have not played the expansion pack on this one, you should, it is nice as hell!