what! this is too good to be true! none of the usual suspects trolling on this thread yet :-)
what! this is too good to be true! none of the usual suspects trolling on this thread yet :-)
people that have purchased a received a amiga x-1000 are happy. At the end of the day that's all that really matters. Trolls will be trolls and were never going to buy anything anyway. I bet many trolls never even owned an amiga.
april fools!
I am going to spare them the effort:
"Overpriced piece of junk and OS."
There... ;)
And again. Trolling.
And as far as overpriced junk goes, there's plenty of legacy hardware available on Ebay right now.
How much does the X1000 retail for ?
This much:
This much:(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6892045166_eae890172c_b.jpg)
@ takemehomegrandma
Isn't that an image of a PowerMac G4? Weren't those about $3000 USD new?
@ takemehomegrandma
Isn't that an image of a PowerMac G4? Weren't those about $3000 USD new?
What is an A1X1K?
Don't confuse him with facts or we are likely to get more graphs and diagrams based on false logic and tall tales.
graphs and diagrams based on false logic and tall tales.
Sorry, can't help you there... :)
Who knows, who cares, they cost about $25-$250 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=powermac+g4&_sacat=See-All-Categories) now, mostly seem around the $100 mark, give or take.
With the content of your posts on threads such as these, I'm fairly sure you can't help me anywhere! :-)
Seriously, why are you so bothered by the X1000? Why do you care so much if people want to buy it or not? I'm genuinely interested in your motivation. It doesn't make any difference to me if people want to buy this, a power mac or a dead parrot as long as they're happy with their purchase, that's great.
As for any performance of the X1000, I quote from http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=580
"Given the rushed nature of this AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 release, there are still some bugs and a few rough edges. Remember, the X1000 was originally planned to be released only with AmigaOS 4.2 installed. Also please keep in mind most of the X1000 system is still unoptimized. This is truly the most powerful Amiga Operating System hardware platform ever released and we plan to utilize this hardware to its full potential in due course."
Basically wait until the software is fully optimized for the X1000 before analysing performance too deeply.
How much does the X1000 retail for ?
"Given the rushed nature of this AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 release, there are still some bugs and a few rough edges. Remember, the X1000 was originally planned to be released only with AmigaOS 4.2 installed. Also please keep in mind most of the X1000 system is still unoptimized. This is truly the most powerful Amiga Operating System hardware platform ever released and we plan to utilize this hardware to its full potential in due course."
Try to figure it out! :) (Hint, it's a short for the name of the machine the topic is about ;))Sorry, can't help you there... :)
Someone asked how much A1X1K costs and so far takemehomegrandma's answer was closest one.
The performance figure "A1X1K is roughly as fast as PowerMac" is also correct and not contradicting with the official Hyperion statement "the most powerful Amiga Operating System hardware platform ever released" at all. A1X1K is the fastest Amiga Operating System Hardware you can buy. Not fastest Amiga obviously but Hyperion never claimed that :-)
That's better. This thread is now complete.
I was worried for a moment, it seemed like the trolls had forgotten us. :)
Now can we please get back on topic?
So you're comparing two debatably over-priced items (when new), but to try and validate your point about price
you're comparing a second-hand approx. ten year old Mac with a brand-new X1000.
Which graphs you're referring to?
Any of the below have something wrong with them?
l
.... I'm trying to figure out why you care so much that you regularly have to come here and troll, because that's what you're doing. Having said that, I think it's more likely that you simply do it for your own amusement, hence your "who knows, who cares" comment.
The topic is...
"Registering Interest for AmigaOne X1000".
Awesome! Maybe somebody can start a bounty to get the drivers written and OS4 out of beta!
By the way, whatever happened to the contractor who was writing the XMOS support for OS4?
This is a discussion board, meant for discussions...
can you please start a new thread entiled "benchmark graphs outlining the X1000 in an unoptimized state and only running one one 1 core"I'll rather post it to "comparing MorphOS on quad core G5 vs AmigaOS 4 on dual core X1000" thread which would make as much sense, i.e. none.
even better please post it at the Apple recycling website.I know it's hard to accept that 5+ years old apple HW can beat your favorite, and is a lot cheaper, and is more easily available, and has better support and repair possibilities...
at least you accept your inferiority and your defeat :-)oh, absolutely. if only i would listen to the magnificent, cogent arguments of the holy piru and his disciple TMHG, who try in vain at every opportunity to turn me from my wicked path.
It's really not very complicated at all mikeymike, the only relevant comparison for anyone thinking of buying a NG system *today*, are what options are available *today* (not a decade ago, not a decade into the future when/if OS4 finally supports the HW fully)! I'm talking about hardware availability, hardware price, hardware performance, hardware quality, what features the OS has, what Amiga Standards (like MUI, Poseidon, CGX, etc) the OS has, the performance of the OS, the level of Amiga compatibility in the OS, the stability of the OS, etc. Learning things like this, might help you make a well educated purchase decision, *not* having access to this kind of info may lead to people being fooled to buy a $3,000+ system while being of the wrong impression that it would be the only or the best alternative. Knowledge is good! :)
The motherboard design may be new, but the core PA6T was created in 2005 to be ready for laptops in 2007, but got shelved after Apple went x86 and bought PA Semi for the competence and pulled the plug on the PPC things, so it's at least half a decade old technology, aimed for mobile/power saving applications, and all this clearly shows in benchmarks.
..I know it's hard to accept that 5+ years old apple HW can beat your favorite, and is a lot cheaper, and is more easily available, and has better support and repair possibilities...
30 PowerMacs? As currency goes, it's a little bit cumbersome! :-)
I DON'T CAREFunny I was certain I could read you post
why do you care so much about something that you clearly have no intention of buying
..Certainly I have nothing against anyone spending their hard earned money as they see fit. Even if it's something as silly as a $3200 custom built HW with no support after couple of years. If you can't stand me pointing out how silly it is, please ignore me or something.
I'm providing a critical view in a community where
criticism aren't allowed
and has better support and repair possibilities...
LOL, it's like Burma here isn't it.Bad analogy there I'd say.
And how would you know? Always nioce to hear from the experts.http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+powerpc+repair
LOL, it's like Burma here isn't it. However do you manage to keep up your heroic efforts and spirits in the face of all this oppression.i know, i know. saint TMHG continues the good fight on behalf of all that is beautiful and noble in the world against the hoards of evil OS4 users. aren't we so fortunate to have the MOS team and their crusaders here to show us the light? :rolleyes:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+powerpc+repair
Now try to get your X1000 repaired 5+ years from now...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+powerpc+repairwhy, piru, i didn't realize your god-like abilities extended even so far as to divine the future! hail, hail, o all-seeing lord of the butterfly! we humbly submit to your superior wit and wisdom! :crazy:
Now try to get your X1000 repaired 5+ years from now...
piru, i didn't realize abilities extended even so far as to divine the future
You don't need to be an Nostradamus incarnate to realize that computer with maybe 500 units sold will have way worse support than computer that sold millions.indeed. and how fortunate we have you to point that out and freely share your heavenly genius with us wayward folks who have yet to adopt the path. i so enjoy your astounding insights every time i read a thread even remotely related to OS4 or OS4 hardware platforms on this site. please, what other fascinating bits of badger-sputumly inconsequential MOS propaganda will you assail us with next? i can hardly wait!
Really.
Where are you getting your "20-30" buyers numbers from, TMHG?his. the source of most of his 'knowledge' of the other guys.
I doubt the X1000 sold a boatload off the first production run, so they are likely indeed low - just curious who's ass you are pulling numbers out of this time.
Having a motherboard only option would not only lower the cost (face it, they *are* making a premium on the components - that's only basic business sense), but would have actually got me on the sign up sheet regarding pre-orders if the price on the mobo was acceptable. Can't help but think a lot more people would have been interested if a bare mobo was available like the SAM boards - and yes, system builders are well aware of the risks of them killing boards if they build systems in a stupid fashion.i have to agree with you, there. i really wish they'd offer just the board. of course i could have signed up to be a tester, but i don't really like the idea of paying for the privilege of testing someone else's product. usually it's the other way around.
I was signed up on their email mailing list before it was announced that they would only be coming in prebuilt form. I wouldn't have bought my SAM 440ep is a bare mobo option wasn't available. While I can't say price isn't a factor, I was truly interested in the X1000 when I was going under the assumption I could throw it together with my own components. Sadly them not offering that lost them a customer and a developer, as meager and niche as my coding efforts are (face it, no one is buying OS4 machines to run PPC native telnet BBS software on, lol).
@eliyahuoh, come on. is that the best you can come up with? :lol:
I usually post facts with little sugar coating. Intolerable, I know.
The irony is that all this would have taken was some 20-30 buyers of the A1X1K placing their money towards that instead.
*snip*
So no, youre not "informing people", youre doing damage and making the amiga scene appear as screwed up as it really is.
As I have already said...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=669526&postcount=179
@mikeymike
It is quite hard to avoid the impression that certain parties should be considered avoid any and all criticism.
The relevant part was actually "Also please keep in mind most of the X1000 system is still unoptimized." My point is, as with any software, when it's in beta, it's not generally going to be running at the same speed as in its final polished state.
I'll rather post it to "comparing MorphOS on quad core G5 vs AmigaOS 4 on dual core X1000" thread which would make as much sense, i.e. none.
I know it's hard to accept that 5+ years old apple HW can beat your favorite, and is a lot cheaper, and is more easily available, and has better support and repair possibilities...
I do have more the impression that the sole existence of some people is to criticize anything related to OS4.
But then I am a weird person.
MorphOS is a great piece of work, but it doesn't belong in a thread about the X1000 - at all.
I'm providing a critical view in a community where criticism aren't allowed, consumer awareness about better alternatives in a community with a long tradition of shifting semi-functional products to gullible trade mark followers at an overprice, and rational thinking in a community where all rationality and logic seemingly left over a decade ago. "The usual suspects" always come moaning abou this, as we see in this thread as well.
Let's look at the "provocative" picture again, that made some of them cough their Kool-Aid all over their Boing-Ball branded keyboard from Amigakit:
What provokes them aren't the fact that this is roughly how many (depending on your search abilities) PPC NG computers you can get for *the same* amount of money as one single A1X1K system. No, what provokes them is the fact that someone has the nerve to actually point this out!
Billyfish, I will keep enlighten the world about things like this, about the alternatives you can choose instead. Don't like this? Well, too bad...
The point is that measuring in PowerMacs is pointless. You may as well say it costs 7,000 grapefruit - a grapefruit can run OS4 just as well as a Powermac, after all.
The problem is that every time - and I mean every time - someone mentions OS4, the thread gets derailed by the same people with the same unrelated posts.
We know MOS runs on Powermacs. We get that.
We also get that the X1000 costs a lot more than 10-year-old Powermacs. We get that too.
We also get that the X1000 runs AmigaOS 4 which Powermacs don't.
But do the MOS people get the fact that some people want to run AmigaOS 4 and not MOS?
MorphOS is a great piece of work, but it doesn't belong in a thread about the X1000 - at all.
@billyfish
Thanks, I enjoyed that. Funniest thing in the entire thread, and anyone who read the entire thread will appreciate the competition for laughs contained within :)
It's a scary day when *IM* marvelling at the stupidity and immaturity on display :)
Where are you getting your "20-30" buyers numbers from, TMHG?
Having a motherboard only option would not only lower the cost (face it, they *are* making a premium on the components - that's only basic business sense), but would have actually got me on the sign up sheet regarding pre-orders if the price on the mobo was acceptable.
Instead of playing usual pissing contest why not just say what it costs, what it does and that is it? You dont have to care what Mac costs of what MorphOS does. TMHGM didnt even mention MorphOS in his post. So please stop your witch hunt and learn to read.
None of my business. AmigaKit is selling and advertising AmigaOne here. Someone asks what it does, what it costs, whatever and we answer. Yup, tmhgm loves MorphOS, is evangelising here but you dont have to feel so insecure whenever MorphOS is mentioned on this site. Maybe annoying to you sometimes but the best counter argument is facts.
So no, youre not "informing people", youre doing damage and making the amiga scene appear as screwed up as it really is.
O...amateur wanna-be OS called MOS...
the X1000 software is still unoptimised.This claim keeps resurfacing, but I haven't seen any valid data to back this up. I have a feeling this is the same old claim that has always been thrown around when MorphOS has beaten AmigaOS4. If you follow this line of reasoning AmigaOS4 is still unoptimized, not only X1000 but classics, AmigaONE GE/XE/Micro, Sam440 and Sam460, too.
I'd suggest that a more accurate representation *as the software stands at the minute* would beDepends on the speed of the PowerMac CPU of course.
1. Code running on a single core on the PowerMacs is probably slightly quicker a single core of the X1000.
2. The memory access speeds on the X1000 are much faster than on the PowerMac.This is true.
3. The graphics card capabilities of the x1000 are much ahead of the Mac Mini.This makes little practical difference as there are no 3D drivers for the new cards. MorphOS is massively ahead in 3D.
4. All these are subject to change as OS4 and MorphOS code gets more optimised for these systems.I don't see much performance improvements coming from code optimizations at this point, at least for MorphOS. MorphOS has been fairly optimal for years.
you don't like Macs and MorphOS.
Its funny, as a MorphOS user I can still exchange pleasant messages with OS4 developer Steve Solie,
As we still have plenty of Pegasos machines available on the used market and have the advantage of being able to use low cost hardware from Apple I'm not particularly worried about not having new hardware.
In fact in some benchmarks, my ten year old Powermac outperforms an X1000.
In others its not far behind.
This claim keeps resurfacing, but I haven't seen any valid data to back this up.
This makes little practical difference as there are no 3D drivers for the new cards. MorphOS is massively ahead in 3D.
I don't see much performance improvements coming from code optimizations at this point, at least for MorphOS. MorphOS has been fairly optimal for years.
Now, it might be that OS4 is still lagging behind in numerous ways but considering it has been way over 10 years now I can't see how it would change anytime soon.
I'm going by Steve Solie's comment on the Hyperion blog.
I disagree on this being of little practical difference since this is currently being worked on by Hans de Ruiter and the Friedens on the OpenGL implementation means we'll see a leap in performance when this comes into play.
On this I'll agree that MorphOS appears to be more optimised but I disagree that OS4 can't catch up. I think one of the reasons that OS4 took longer to get going is that prior to the SAMs being released, OS4 was limited to cyberstorm boards, whereas MorphOS had made the leap to the PPC macs.
I think that there's definitely the potential for OS4 on the X1000 to take up some of this slack.
Why not?
Can you link to it? I find it interesting that PA-6T would require specific optimizations, though.
In fact my AmigaOne outperforms the Turbo Chameleon 64. Your point being?
You don't need to be an Nostradamus incarnate to realize that computer with maybe 500 units sold will have way worse support than computer that sold millions.
Really.
Yeah, every time I walk down the highstreet I'm tripping over Commodore 64 service centers at every corner.You're much more likely to find support, repair, spare parts and new hardware devices (and complete reimplementation in FPGA!) for Commodore 64 than Jupiter ACE.
I'll rather post it to "comparing MorphOS on quad core G5 vs AmigaOS 4 on dual core X1000" thread which would make as much sense, i.e. none.
I know it's hard to accept that 5+ years old apple HW can beat your favorite, and is a lot cheaper, and is more easily available, and has better support and repair possibilities...
Quote:QuoteOriginally Posted by spirantho
MorphOS is a great piece of work, but it doesn't belong in a thread about the X1000 - at all.
Why not?
It's not like MorphOS has been standing still regarding 3D either, but I assumed "accurate representation *as the software stands at the minute*". So we'll consider "future tech" after all?
I'd say it's rather the opposite. Most of the MorphOS optimizations were already done by the time MorphOS was ported to Mac mini. Bulk of the work was done on the slower systems where the difference in optimization could be easily felt in practice.
I think it's rather the opposite that might happen. With all the raw CPU crunch and especially fast memory bus around it is IMHO more likely that basic optimizations are not done because performance is already adequate with less optimal code. Similar progression has happened with Linux for instance where for instance reliance on large CPU caches and fast memory bus has severely hurt performance on low end systems.
Piru, i agree with this completely. But it's still an apple therefore it is crap. I use Mos on a MacMini and i can't stand the thing...
The Mac Mini is just slightly bigger than an Efika in a case (or slightly bigger than a CD, meaning *tiny*!), it's virtually noiseless, it has a built-in optical device etc, perfectly adequate graphics, it's way more powerful than any AmigaOne from Eyetech, any Pegasos, any Sam 440 or Sam 460 (meaning, it's much more powerful than anything that any "NG" folks traditionally has had to live with during the last decade), it's very cheap, it runs MorphOS very nicely (it plays x264 720p HD streams in SW), and you "can't stand the thing" because... it was *originally* made by Apple (even though you don't use MacOS on it now)? I'm curious, surely there must be some other reasons, or are you really *that* irrational?
Don't forget about i (eye) pollution! Everytime i look at the thing i want to puke!
Also the sound is crap from the 3.5mm output because of interference
and leopard is as slow as a GIANT snail. It is also noisy because of that stupid optical drive.
Don't forget about i (eye) pollution! Everytime i look at the thing i want to puke! Also the sound is crap from the 3.5mm output because of interference and leopard is as slow as a GIANT snail. It is also noisy because of that stupid optical drive.
Why this über-sensitiveness about topics all the sudden? Judging by your über-strict views on topic-discipline, only post #2 was on topic (since it was Darrin "Registering Interest for AmigaOne X1000",
Buying ONE A1X1K for $3,000, or buying THIRTY computers of roughly A1X1K performance for the same amount of money, or buying one computer .
ya great now to top it off this thread has gone to discussing apple products:quickdraw:
Certainly I have nothing against anyone spending their hard earned money as they see fit. Even if it's something as silly as a $3200 custom built HW with no support after couple of years. If you can't stand me pointing out how silly it is, please ignore me or something.
take into account X1000 has dual core CPU that is yet to be used, much faster RAM, R700 video chip with a ton of VRAM, much more and is quite expandable board, especially when onboard drivers will be done. Board also supports 8GB RAM I believe, so might drive OS4 to brake its own limits in many, many ways (from RAM barreir, SMP, XMOS support, RadeonHD drivers ...)
this is no cheap hobby
if you really want a cheap Amiga ng type of experices then I would personally recommend getting an old pc and installing Aros on it, not a PowerMac.
you are my king. How can anyone compare with your knowledge. You play in another league too...
because when you say Morphos is unbeatable and everywhere the best (Gallium?, poseidon is from Aros?, TCP is ArosTCP?, support of different processors?, drivers?, can be combined with Linux?, running on modern hardware? ...) what should we discuss?
MorphOS has modern 3D support? Have I missed something?
All camps have strength and weaknesses and none is "unbeatable" with no room for improvement
This thread is (was) about X1000
Instead of making pointless grumpy posts that just increases the noise, why not try to answer the question instead? (Edit) By "recommending getting an old pc and installing Aros on it, not a PowerMac", you are solely focusing on x86 hardware *for the sake of it*, totally neglecting the differences in features of the two OS's, which probably is the most important variable of them all for the user experience and *usability* at all. "An old PC" is hardly any cheaper than an old PowerMac, and if it's the user experience you want (i.e. really being able to *use* it as an Amiga), then MorphOS is the one NG solution that has the most to offer...
So based on this post can you understand why people who are interested in getting an OS4 machine are a bit confused when you recommend a PowerMac on a AmigaOS4 related thread.
So based on this post can you understand why people who are interested in getting an OS4 machine are a bit confused when you recommend a PowerMac on a AmigaOS4 related thread.
Actually, that makes sense to me.what offer are you referring to? i must have missed that one.
It would make more sense to reference Transitions offer on AmigaOne XE systems.
i.e. a system with roughly the same performance, running an OS with more and better features, better Amiga compatibility, higher stability, etc, for 1/30th of the asking price in the original post.
Am I missing something?
AROS doesn't support the latest 3D GPUs either.
An Nvidia 7600GT (like mine) or a 9600GSO? Sure.
Buy not much higher.
And compared to OS4, both MorphOSand AROS support adequate 3D support.
Either you are VERY BAD at mathematics or you talk about MacOS X, which comes for free with PowerMacs.just FYI, at least with the 'first contact' systems, you had to purchase the OS license additionally. the free copy of OS4 is the copy of OS4.2 when it ships.
According to MorphOS Help Desk (http://www.morphos-team.net/faq), MorphOS keyfile is currently available at an price of 111.11 EUR (includes 19% VAT).
Googling todays (as Piru loves to use Google) EUR/USD conversion - 111.11 Euros = 147.94 USD.
So with 3000 USD, you can buy - 3000/147,94 - 20,27 MOS licenses (assuming you get the hardware for free).
So, your arithmetics are wrong and fabricated as usual, but this is nothing new in the MOS propaganda that floods the site all day long.
With X1000 you receive bundled copy of AmigaOS 4.1 - worth 124.95 Euro including VAT (http://www.vesalia.de/e_amigaos41.htm), and you are entitled for free copy of AmigaOS 4.2 when it arrives.
On top of that AmigaOS 4.1 comes in professional made box on labeled CD (something called collector's item for people like me who have all public AmigaOS versions on original disks, along with manuals, so it's worth for me).
Yeah, it's always this "is yet to be used", "might", "future", yada, yada. Anyone knowing Hyperion, should really know by now that they love to sell unhatched chickens with great promises, long before the chickens are hatched. Sometimes it turns out in the end that the eggs never was laid, and never will be. Was the Micro A1 GX ever sorted out/fully supported?
Will you *never* learn I ask myself?
Yeah, it's always this "is yet to be used", "might", "future", yada, yada. Anyone knowing Hyperion, should really know by now that they love to sell unhatched chickens with great promises, long before the chickens are hatched. Sometimes it turns out in the end that the eggs never was laid, and never will be. Was the Micro A1 GX ever sorted out/fully supported?
MOS team builds only MorphOS and yet is late with MorphOS 3, while Hyperion does support and bugfixing of current AmigaOS 4.1, development of new features of OS 4.2 and Timberwolf simultaneously. Would love to see them throwing
Surely there will be some solution for SMP in both MorphOS and AmigaOS 4.x. It might make 68k compatibility go away, but since such hardware as SAM 460, MacMini or X1000 should run 68k software well with JIT - that could not be a shame, but way forward. Before X1000 there was no need to consider it at all.
snip
just FYI, at least with the 'first contact' systems, you had to purchase the OS license additionally. the free copy of OS4 is the copy of OS4.2 when it ships.
-- eliyahu
If you go that way, MorphOS team also bugfixed 2.x and developped 3.x at the same time. Many of the developers of MorphOS team (including myself) have "pet" projects/applications beyond the core of MorphOS (that sometimes get integrated to MorphOS, course). And actually, Odyssey is part of MorphOS distribution.
If 68k compatibility has to be dropped, then going x86 is a much better solution, don't you think?
So with 3000 USD, you can buy - 3000/147,94 - 20,27 MOS licenses
just FYI, at least with the 'first contact' systems, you had to purchase the OS license additionally.
But in reality for price of one OS licence you get both OS 4.1.5 now and OS 4.2 in the future.
But what if people want expand ability
and ability to use dual core in the future and only X1000 offers it?
@drHirudo
FYI Odyssey a.k.a. MUIOWB is the most popular browser for Amiga.
Isn't a platform migration the natural thing to do at that point? There is no "Power" in PowerPC, not in the year 2012 and beyond! ARM and/or x86, but not PPC! Since those features would require a break from the past, why continue with PPC at all? Why not bring the new platform onto a modern architecture? For example, if MorphOS developers would want to start exploring 64-bit support for the future (as suggested by Fab in his presentation of MorphOS future), why would they do that on a *dead* G5 platform (or PA6T for that matter)? I mean, if the legacy is to be broken anyway, why not migrate to greener pastures while you are at it?
Really?? I think it's a fine piece of work and hats off to Fab and co for it, but for example netsurf-m68k has 13760 downloads. Don't you think that there are more classic systems (especially including amikit, etc.) and consequently it's 68k-based browsers that are in use the most. Checking the logs of places such as here, amigaword, amigans, will give a better indication I guess.
Isn't a platform migration the natural thing to do at that point? There is no "Power" in PowerPC, not in the year 2012 and beyond! ARM and/or x86, but not PPC! Since those features would require a break from the past, why continue with PPC at all? Why not bring the new platform onto a modern architecture? For example, if MorphOS developers would want to start exploring 64-bit support for the future (as suggested by Fab in his presentation of MorphOS future), why would they do that on a *dead* G5 platform (or PA6T for that matter)? I mean, if the legacy is to be broken anyway, why not migrate to greener pastures while you are at it?
Didnt you piss off OS4 core developers on that Timberwolf thread at AWN...?
I think we are still on speaking terms. At least I am.
But then I am a weird person.
greets,
Staf.
Forgot to mention X1000 is first platform to offer 64-bit transition path to AmigaOS. In my opinion, its more likely both advanced features might first be used on existing PPC systems being X1000 and likely G5 for MorphOS then we know of any real x86 transition.
Isn't a platform migration the natural thing to do at that point? There is no "Power" in PowerPC, not in the year 2012 and beyond! ARM and/or x86, but not PPC! Since those features would require a break from the past, why continue with PPC at all? Why not bring the new platform onto a modern architecture? For example, if MorphOS developers would want to start exploring 64-bit support for the future (as suggested by Fab in his presentation of MorphOS future), why would they do that on a *dead* G5 platform (or PA6T for that matter)? I mean, if the legacy is to be broken anyway, why not migrate to greener pastures while you are at it?Clearly the only sensible option is to migrate to modern operating systems with plenty of software support. Take your choice Windows, OS X or Linux.
Maybe you are, but I'm huddling in a corner of my home waiting for two seriously pissed off Germans to knock on my door.
Yes you might be right on that. Although... never mind, lets discuss it on another thread another time :)
[country hick accent]
We dont want none o' your kind 'round here. We calls 'em "logicals" an' they aint fit in with us NG ameegans
[/country hick accent]
translation:
That makes way too much sense for this place :)
Firstly, I have no interest in NG "amiga" options anymore. If I want a machine to deal with the modern world, I'll use a modern machine, simple as that (and I'll get it for cheaper than either OS4 or MOS' cost of entry). Now I say this so people are under no illusions as to my agenda. This said:
This is an amiga website. There's few outside eyes watching. People know what theyre buying into, they know the stories, they know prices/pros/cons.
Do all the clowns that keep posting the same **** over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (yes, its excessive to type the same thing so often, but some people think this is normal) is enlightening anyone? Do they think theyre providing any revalations? Are they really so stupid as to think people dont see right through any feeble attempts to cover thier real agenda? People who are interested in something arent going to be swayed by people so transparent they irritate even those with no interest. Want to promote your system of choice? Great, but these negative tactics lose any value pretty quickly, to a point that any interest someone originally had in the product promoted by those using negative tactics also fades pretty quickly.
Personally I love my a1200 still. It cost me a pretty penny to upgrade it to a point its on par with a mac or pc Id have thown away 15 years ago, but guess what? I dont give a ****, it's my hobby and I enjoy it. No amount ot negativity from strangers who by now sound either like turrets sufferers stuck on a groove, or mentally challenged will change that.
This isnt to say I dont find some benchmarks interesting, I do, but there's only so many times a person can find a tenuous segue and repeat the same thing before they make people like me lose interest (someone who was previously interested in all amiga options until the community changed his mind with all the bull****(and make no mistake this isnt just one camp either)).
So no, youre not "informing people", youre doing damage and making the amiga scene appear as screwed up as it really is.
LOL, it's like Burma here isn't it. However do you manage to keep up your heroic efforts and spirits in the face of all this oppression.
Sorry, Middleman. Do your homework, and for God's sakes either disclose if you have an official relationship business wise with C-USA, or quit speaking for them. We already have one Dammy, we don't need another.