Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS

[Motormouth]

Motormouth, I would recommend you post on the eab thread. A bunch of people have had similar issues to what you're seeing, most of which have been resolved.

Have you tried a fresh workbench install? It is recommended to start with no more than wb3.9 + bb1 and bb2 to try and rule out a dodgy patch causing issues.

Have you tried tweaking the setcmemdiv parameter? Sometimes allowing the sonnet to autodetect the cachemem speed causes instability.

SetCMemDiv (0-5): Sets the speed divider of the L2 Cache memory. 5 = 3, 4 = 2.5, 3 = 2, 2 = 1.5, 1 = 1, 0 = Handled by library. Default = 0. For example: A Sonnet with speed 500 MHz and setting 5 will run the L2 cache at 166 MHz (500/3).

@trixster  thanks for the advise.  I finally made an EAB account.  The EAB threads are quite good.  I am going through them.  I have the setcmemdiv unset.  getinfo says it is a its default value,  I might however attempt to set the setcmemdiv at what would be the default.

[kev711]

sonnet is dead rapture-g4 is the new and we need better support r300+

[pVC]

Pity, under OS4 or MorphOS the Radeon would dust a Voodoo3. And both of those OS' support Warp3D funtionality with the Radeon.

I haven't made any tests recently, but in old times (MorphOS 1.4.5) Voodoo3 wasn't that bad compared to Radeons, actually pretty same level beating some Radeons

Here's my old test with Peg1 and MorphOS 1.4.5:

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              Quake I fps    Quake III fps
R7000              36               1
R9200 SE           71              22
Voodoo3 3000       71              25
R7500 Club3D       85              23
R8500 LE          100              24
R7500 ATI         100              25

One thing to consider is that Voodoo3 only has 16 bit depths, while Radeons have 24/32bit.

[Motormouth]

sonnet is dead rapture-g4 is the new and we need better support r300+

Not for the lucky few that have them  but understood,  However getting video cards working with what ever solution is useful even with rapture-g4  

I haven't made any tests recently, but in old times (MorphOS 1.4.5) Voodoo3 wasn't that bad compared to Radeons, actually pretty same level beating some Radeons

Here's my old test with Peg1 and MorphOS 1.4.5:

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               Quake I fps    Quake III fps
R7000              36               1
R9200 SE           71              22
Voodoo3 3000       71              25
R7500 Club3D       85              23
R8500 LE          100              24
R7500 ATI         100              25


One thing to consider is that Voodoo3 only has 16 bit depths, while Radeons have 24/32bit.

To be fair you picked the fastest Voodoo 3 (ie the 3000) and picked the slowest r200's (ie the R8500LE and R9200 SE,  with the 9200 you would want the faster model with the 128 bit transfer ram (not the SE with slower gpu and 64 bit transfer).

However the real reason to be interested in the 9200 is that it is available (voodoo's are become rare like sonnets) and cheap.  Additionally they run much cooler than the voodoos.

[amiadudeorwat]

Also, what resolution is that?

To be fair you picked the fastest Voodoo 3 (ie the 3000) and picked the slowest r200's (ie the R8500LE and R9200 SE,  with the 9200 you would want the faster model with the 128 bit transfer ram (not the SE with slower gpu and 64 bit transfer).

However the real reason to be interested in the 9200 is that it is available (voodoo's are become rare like sonnets) and cheap.  Additionally they run much cooler than the voodoos.

[kev711]

reason i say this is cause the rapture-g4 will be 7447/7457 PPC with DDR cache those radeons are underpowered we need x series or better support

[Motormouth]

reason i say this is cause the rapture-g4 will be 7447/7457 PPC with DDR cache those radeons are underpowered we need x series or better support

I do agree in principle, but radeon r200 already has picasso drivers and elbox support.  Only need warp3d drivers.  

Additionally, as Iggy has indicated, W3D do already exist for MorphOS and OS4.

For the X radeon you would need to write a bunch of stuff (even MorphOS 3D support of these are non-W3D).

[kev711]

I do agree in principle, but radeon r200 already has picasso drivers and elbox support.  Only need warp3d drivers.  

Additionally, as Iggy has indicated, W3D do already exist for MorphOS and OS4.

For the X radeon you would need to write a bunch of stuff (even MorphOS 3D support of these are non-W3D).

doesnt matter thats what is needed or its pointless also on top of that we will run a 32bit@66mhz pci bus
the voodoo now is garbage for the 450mhz rapture even more with altivec

issue also now is W3D on classic and running higher resolutions

[kev711]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDFPg2ELo4

[kev711]

also just fyi i might have some extra sonnets was gonna upgrade them to g4's just never got around too it as im a very busy man:)
but sonnet is way slower due to g3(no altivec) uses 168pin dram and the bus runs at 66mhz
the rapture 450mhz is 100mhz and the 7447/7457 is 133mhz 60xbus

[Motormouth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDFPg2ELo4

Very Cool,  How did you get the Radeon working with warp3d in classic OS!!!!!

Are you going to make this available??

[klx300r]

Very Cool,  How did you get the Radeon working with warp3d in classic OS!!!!!

Are you going to make this available??

+ 1 trillion..I'd love to get my radeon 9250 working with Warp3D in my 1200T:hammer::pint:

[Motormouth]

@kev711

Please tell us you are not using

Warp3D_CPU_PPC
or
Wazp3D

[amiadudeorwat]

Very Cool,  How did you get the Radeon working with warp3d in classic OS!!!!!

Are you going to make this available??

That video is from Hedeon from the Sonnet Amiga project.

[Motormouth]

That video is from Hedeon from the Sonnet Amiga project.

@amiadudeorwat and trixster

It is obvious that I need to keep up with the EAB amiga sonnet thread........

[Motormouth]

@amiadudeorwat and trixster

It is obvious that I need to keep up with the EAB amiga sonnet thread........

@Iggy

I looks like the other side of the pond wants an R200 driver too.