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Title: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 09, 2009, 08:45:43 AM
I'm sorry but I just can't work this site out. Soneone said once that amiga.org had to go CSS to avoid modern hacking techniques but I find the result impossible! It all looks nice but I just can't work out how to do anything on it.

One thing is searching; I went to search here when I was on another machine (unlogged in) and was presented with a question.  As I wasn't logged in I understood it though it did seem extreme as other sites let you use their search engine without passing a phrase test. But today I was logged in and it still asks me a question! What the?! As a user why aren't I allow to freely search?

Another thing is tracking down my own threads. On other sites there is uusally a button I can press and I can get a list of my recent threads and posts. but here I am totally lost. There doesn't seem to be an account section where all this info is printed on one page. What is the standard way of doing this?

Finally trying to reply to posts has got me beat. I have used other modern CSS forums and usually you can drag select a section and press the Quote button. but here I see no such thing! The Quick Reply doesn't work for me as the "@User" isn't pasted in. And using "Quote message in reply?" didn't paste any quote in either. The other Quote just quotes the whole message forcing me to copy and paste quote codes by hand. Now this doesn't seem very modern!

I looked on site for instructions but none could tell me how to do normal stuff and reply to people. There were no examples. How on earth do I reply to a post and be able to quote and respond to different sections of text? It's got me beat! :-?
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: bloodline on August 09, 2009, 08:57:35 AM
Hmmm, Id be keen if Wayne would increase the level of quote nesting... it is hard to keep track of comments as currently only one level of quoting is allowed, but default... I know the "Multi Quote" is supposed to mitigate that, but honestly Multiquote is useless :)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 09, 2009, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: bloodline;518581
Hmmm, Id be keen if Wayne would increase the level of quote nesting... it is hard to keep track of comments as currently only one level of quoting is allowed, but default... I know the "Multi Quote" is supposed to mitigate that, but honestly Multiquote is useless :)
I've found another annoying thing. It let me start replying to a post then when I went to submit it said I wasn't logged in! What the? I was using OWB and tried to go back. It prevented me and said I wasn't logged in. So I logged in with the hope that it would have saved my post. It DELETED it!!! Mongrel!!

Had I been able to use IBrowse I simply could have gone back. I don't trust these supossedly modern CSS browsers and web sites!

Why did it log me out?! I can't work like this, not being able to trust my computer because it might freeze or crash is one thing, but loosing data to an ignorant website is another. I've never trusted typing on forums, too many things can go wrong. I only trust email where it can be saved and usually is in case of emergency and can be progressively editied. Nor forum, no matter how good can offer anything like that.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Cammy on August 09, 2009, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Vanilla;518582
I've found another annoying thing. It let me start replying to a post then when I went to submit it said I wasn't logged in! What the? I was using OWB and tried to go back. It prevented me and said I wasn't logged in. So I logged in with the hope that it would have saved my post. It DELETED it!!! Mongrel!!

Had I been able to use IBrowse I simply could have gone back. I don't trust these supossedly modern CSS browsers and web sites!


I spent over an hour typing up a huge post listing all the recent software that has been released for classic Amigas and got this exact same problem! So after I clicked back, my message was gone too! And this WAS in IBROWSE!!! I don't think it's the CSS that does that, I think it's Javascript. In any case, I know I should have saved the message on the hard drive before I submitted it, but it really crushed my spirits and made me not want to type up another post again. And that thread has gone dead since, and everyone still must assume there's no new software for classics.

To be honest, I prefer posting on AmigaWorld way more than here, but there's just a lot more going on here.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Framiga on August 09, 2009, 11:03:22 AM
@Cammy and Vanilla

deleting the cookies from time to time, helps with such kind of things (on both OWB and IB)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: A1260 on August 09, 2009, 11:35:29 AM
if they could put up a theme that looked more like the old theme instead of this mess of a theme they have now. things would be better but with no choice we are stuck with this shait, the whola site is a mess and very hard to find things, take a look at aw.net and amigans.net they got great themes and very easy to find what you want. its a shame that a.org have become a drag, i dont visit the site much anymore.............
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Karlos on August 09, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: A1260;518589
if they could put up a theme that looked more like the old theme instead of this mess of a theme they have now.

I'm sorry, were you saying something? I couldn't hear you for the histrionic whingeing sound.

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things would be better but with no choice we are stuck with this shait, the whola site is a mess and very hard to find things, take a look at aw.net and amigans.net they got great themes and very easy to find what you want.

Strange, most people have managed to find their way around. The fact is, the site had to be updated. The old one would simply not work after the server upgrade. I'd like to see you make a better job of migrating an obsolete xoops install with many custom modules to a completely different forum engine.

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its a shame that a.org have become a drag, i dont visit the site much anymore.............

Well, why don't you do us all a favour and continue that trend to the limit and stop visiting all together?

Just reading a few pages of your previous posts is enough to see what a great loss that would be.

@Vanilla & Cammy

If you need any help locating or using things, just ask.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Karlos on August 09, 2009, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: Framiga;518587
@Cammy and Vanilla

deleting the cookies from time to time, helps with such kind of things (on both OWB and IB)


I have found that opting to stay logged in forever (the "remember me" checkbox) is the best way of avoiding issues like that.

You don't see that checkbox on the brief login form at the top of the page. One way to get it, is to log out then directly attempt to go to your UserCP screen by pointing your browser directly at http://www.amiga.org/forums/usercp.php (http://www.amiga.org/forums/usercp.php).

This will require you to log in to view the screen and the main login form will be displayed, complete with the "remember me" option. Make sure it is set and you are good to go.

Also, in the past, I've noticed that when I get logged out whilst writing a post, simply submitting the post is enough. It asks you to put in your login credentials again, and if you do so correctly, your post is submitted. There's no need to try to "go back" in the browser, the forum software has a degree more intelligence in that regard and temporarily holds your post whilst you login.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Argo on August 09, 2009, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: Vanilla;518580
Another thing is tracking down my own threads. On other sites there is uusally a button I can press and I can get a list of my recent threads and posts. but here I am totally lost. There doesn't seem to be an account section where all this info is printed on one page. What is the standard way of doing this?


When logged in, click on your username in the page header (Welcome, Username). That will take you to your profile page. Then click on the Statistics tab in your profile. In the first section, "Total Posts", there are two links :
Find all posts by Username
Find all threads started by Username

I'll see about adding this to the site FAQ.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: F0LLETT on August 09, 2009, 02:15:22 PM
Quote from: Vanilla;518580
I'm sorry but I just can't work this site out. Soneone said once that amiga.org had to go CSS to avoid modern hacking techniques but I find the result impossible! It all looks nice but I just can't work out how to do anything on it.

One thing is searching; I went to search here when I was on another machine (unlogged in) and was presented with a question.  As I wasn't logged in I understood it though it did seem extreme as other sites let you use their search engine without passing a phrase test. But today I was logged in and it still asks me a question! What the?! As a user why aren't I allow to freely search?

Another thing is tracking down my own threads. On other sites there is uusally a button I can press and I can get a list of my recent threads and posts. but here I am totally lost. There doesn't seem to be an account section where all this info is printed on one page. What is the standard way of doing this?

Finally trying to reply to posts has got me beat. I have used other modern CSS forums and usually you can drag select a section and press the Quote button. but here I see no such thing! The Quick Reply doesn't work for me as the "@User" isn't pasted in. And using "Quote message in reply?" didn't paste any quote in either. The other Quote just quotes the whole message forcing me to copy and paste quote codes by hand. Now this doesn't seem very modern!

I looked on site for instructions but none could tell me how to do normal stuff and reply to people. There were no examples. How on earth do I reply to a post and be able to quote and respond to different sections of text? It's got me beat! :-?

I agree with the search function. I was logged in and it still asked me a dumb question like "who is the CTO of Amiga Inc." I was'nt sure, what it was. Never heard of a CTO before. So I typed Bill Mcewan, obviously I was spelling it wrong (didnt know at time). It refused to give me a another question, so I was stuck, lol.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Marcb on August 09, 2009, 02:16:14 PM
Well, I liked the old a.org and I like the new one.

Aside from that, I think the old axiom about a bad tradesman blaming his tools is true...

If I can't find something on here or can't see how to do something, I either ask nicely (as the op did) or keep looking until I learn...

Feeding trolls is fun though :-)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: F0LLETT on August 09, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Marcb;518598
Well, I liked the old a.org and I like the new one.

Aside from that, I think the old axiom about a bad tradesman blaming his tools is true...

If I can't find something on here or can't see how to do something, I either ask nicely (as the op did) or keep looking until I learn...

Feeding trolls is fun though :-)

lol, I wasnt complaining as such.
However making logged in users answer a question they might not know just to search site is crazy. Now if I wasnt logged in or a guest I would say fair enough.

Im sorry if you think searching the internet to get the answer to a question just to be able to search here (when logged in) is acceptable, then your nuts, ;).
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Marcb on August 09, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
:-)

Follet, I hadn't even read your post, must have posted at the same time.

I concur though, I'm nuts !
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: F0LLETT on August 09, 2009, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Marcb;518601
:-)

Follet, I hadn't even read your post, must have posted at the same time.

I concur though, I'm nuts !


lol, no probs. I have to ask though, why is it with my name.
I seem to have a missing T, is everyone blind to the extra T, ;).
Same thing happens with mail comming to my house.

On topic;

We are all nuts, Amiga NUTS!!!!!.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Marcb on August 09, 2009, 02:40:19 PM
Follett,
I think the t thing must be one of those weird reading peculiarities, I was blind to the second t until you pointed it out!


For some reason the search function on here doesn't work on my ipod touch so I don't have that particular problem:)
The way you all describe it though it makes it sound very Amiga like.. You know, kinda like installing a new card or app only to find you need version x of some lib :)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: cecilia on August 09, 2009, 02:40:29 PM
i'm on a variety of forums and for the most part they all use this basic template....so when amiga org changed over it felt like Old Home Week for me.

basically you can find what you need from your profile page (things like a list of your posts and so on). it's way better organized than the old forum.

frankly
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: F0LLETT on August 09, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: cecilia;518608
i'm on a variety of forums and for the most part they all use this basic template....so when amiga org changed over it felt like Old Home Week for me.

basically you can find what you need from your profile page (things like a list of your posts and so on). it's way better organized than the old forum.

frankly

Spose its what your used to, cant please everyone, ;).
So changes can annoy some people but make others happy.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Cammy on August 09, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: Karlos;518592
Also, in the past, I've noticed that when I get logged out whilst writing a post, simply submitting the post is enough. It asks you to put in your login credentials again, and if you do so correctly, your post is submitted. There's no need to try to "go back" in the browser, the forum software has a degree more intelligence in that regard and temporarily holds your post whilst you login.


That may have been the past, but now in the present this doesn't work, not in IBrowse at least. Once a message is submitted after you've been logged out, that message is lost forever. Logging back in at that point just takes me back to the forum with no message to submit.

And since we're here, I have sent a few private messages to people on this forum over the last few weeks, and half of them just didn't get through. I sent a message to someone, didn't get a reply, so sent another one and they replied saying they never got the first one. My next replies went unanswered too, and I wonder if they even got through. I had no login problems when doing this either, and I have submitted messages both from IBrowse in AmigaOS and Opera in Linux, and both times it seems the messages were never received and read.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Karlos on August 09, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: Cammy;518616
That may have been the past, but now in the present this doesn't work, not in IBrowse at least. Once a message is submitted after you've been logged out, that message is lost forever. Logging back in at that point just takes me back to the forum with no message to submit.


It worked for me when I was making that last post on how to set the "remember me" option.

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And since we're here, I have sent a few private messages to people on this forum over the last few weeks, and half of them just didn't get through. I sent a message to someone, didn't get a reply, so sent another one and they replied saying they never got the first one. My next replies went unanswered too, and I wonder if they even got through. I had no login problems when doing this either, and I have submitted messages both from IBrowse in AmigaOS and Opera in Linux, and both times it seems the messages were never received and read.


Is it possible the recipients inbox was full at the time?
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Tension on August 09, 2009, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: F0LLETT;518597
I agree with the search function. I was logged in and it still asked me a dumb question like "who is the CTO of Amiga Inc." I was'nt sure, what it was. Never heard of a CTO before. So I typed Bill Mcewan, obviously I was spelling it wrong (didnt know at time). It refused to give me a another question, so I was stuck, lol.


Haha, I got caught out by that Mcewan/Mcewen question as well.   :)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Wayne on August 09, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: Argo;518594
When logged in, click on your username in the page header (Welcome, Username). That will take you to your profile page. Then click on the Statistics tab in your profile. In the first section, "Total Posts", there are two links :
Find all posts by Username
Find all threads started by Username

I'll see about adding this to the site FAQ.

When you're logged in, you can also simply click on "Quick Links >> Your Posts"
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Wayne on August 09, 2009, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: F0LLETT;518597
I agree with the search function. I was logged in and it still asked me a dumb question like "who is the CTO of Amiga Inc." I was'nt sure, what it was. Never heard of a CTO before. So I typed Bill Mcewan, obviously I was spelling it wrong (didnt know at time). It refused to give me a another question, so I was stuck, lol.

I explained this in another thread, which subsequently got deleted, but it asks you a question,even when logged in, because bots can be logged in too.

Is it really so friggin hard to take 5 seconds to answer a basic question that any Amiga user should already know?  Spelling aside, that is.

I just cannot believe there is so much whining over such a simplistic feature.  It's like dealing with a bunch of 3 year olds who didn't get to slide down the slide at McDonalds.  Man up for God's sake and just enjoy.

Wayne
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: F0LLETT on August 09, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Wayne;518629
I explained this in another thread, which subsequently got deleted, but it asks you a question,even when logged in, because bots can be logged in too.

Is it really so friggin hard to take 5 seconds to answer a basic question that any Amiga user should already know?  Spelling aside, that is.

I just cannot believe there is so much whining over such a simplistic feature.  It's like dealing with a bunch of 3 year olds who didn't get to slide down the slide at McDonalds.  Man up for God's sake and just enjoy.

Wayne

Ouch!!!!

If you read my later reply, I explained why I commented on it.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Cammy on August 09, 2009, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Karlos;518617
It worked for me when I was making that last post on how to set the "remember me" option.



Is it possible the recipients inbox was full at the time?


You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but I have no need to make up a lie, and I'm not trying to start an argument. Maybe my IBrowse is different to yours. In any case, once I had logged back in my message was gone, and it was also gone when I pressed back. I WISH it was there once I had logged in, because then I would have posted it.

It is also quite possible the recipient's inbox was full, he's quite a popular guy on here. I guess I'll just have to hope he cleans out his inbox, or else lots of people might be wondering what's going on.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Karlos on August 09, 2009, 05:36:01 PM
Quote from: Cammy;518633
You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but I have no need to make up a lie, and I'm not trying to start an argument. Maybe my IBrowse is different to yours. In any case, once I had logged back in my message was gone, and it was also gone when I pressed back. I WISH it was there once I had logged in, because then I would have posted it.


Relax, I'm not accusing you of anything. If you say your post was gone, I've no reason to disbelieve you. For the record, I don't use IBrowse as I tend to use my linux box for browsing.

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It is also quite possible the recipient's inbox was full, he's quite a popular guy on here. I guess I'll just have to hope he cleans out his inbox, or else lots of people might be wondering what's going on.


It is possible, though I would expect some sort of notification when attempting to send the message.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: ZeBeeDee on August 09, 2009, 07:37:31 PM
Perhaps the question asked when searching a.org could be made both generic and consistant ... maybe it could even get changed once a week/month to foil any bots should the need arise.

A simple math question could be presented to the user to answer for example ...
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Wayne on August 09, 2009, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: ZeBeeDee;518649
A simple math question could be presented to the user to answer for example ...
Forgive me because this truly isn't meant to be as evil as it sounds, but really.   It's not that I'm aiming this at you good sir but I'm now officially frustrated by this..  Some idiots can't even read or use google for God's sake to answer a basic trivia question and you think they can somehow manage even basic arithmetic?

Color me doubtful.

There's a lot of "it would be great if Wayne could just" ideas out there, so feel free to bring them up to the authors of vBulletin and I'm sure they will make your dreams a reality.  

As for me, I grow weary of this stupidity.  15 years of it so far with no signs of recession, and yes,  I realize that it's only a couple of truly sad individuals whining here about being asked a simple question, but really.... Damn...  I thought we were long past all the moronic histrionics and whining as a community, but..  

I guess I underestimated..

Let me say this.  Things are what they are.  If anyone wants to make me what I consider to be a reasonable offer for this site, you can take it, put Xoops back up, color it pink and purple for all I care, but the site is, what it is, and it's a hell of a lot better than Xoops ever was -- despite the stupidity and resistance to change shown by a few here.

Wayne
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: ZeBeeDee on August 10, 2009, 12:53:34 AM
No worries Wayne :)

Do with the site as you wish, you do own it after all plus I agree 100% about the whingers and whiners. TBH it's never mattered to me what the site ran ... xoops or vbulliten or whatever, the place exists and thats all that really counts in my book.

*addendum*

pink and purple???? ewwwwwwwwwwwwww! lol
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Wayne on August 10, 2009, 01:01:11 AM
Quote from: ZeBeeDee;518670
No worries Wayne :)

Do with the site as you wish, you do own it after all plus I agree 100% about the whingers and whiners. TBH it's never mattered to me what the site ran ... xoops or vbulliten or whatever, the place exists and thats all that really counts in my book.
Sorry for the frustration but it sometimes amazes me that we put in all this effort over the span of 15 years to provide what is, and has always been, an essentially FREE service, only to have people whine, bitch, and cry about it.

I fully accept open ideas, if they're presented to me as such.  I'm no more perfect than the next guy, but everything I do normally has a very distinct reason.  That being said, I have no more patience than other webmasters such as Davey, or Targhan, or anyone else for people who want to anonymously bitch about a free service without contributing anything in return.

It's about as rude as my reply, and to you and the others in the right of this thread, I apologize.

The OP could have simply sent me an e-mail asking me to disable human verification for registered users.  We could have discussed the pros and cons politely, and quietly.  Instead, like the other wanker that got himself banned the other day, he (probably the same 12 year old idiot) gets online and has a public go at me, even creating what I can only presume is multiple accounts to do so.  The timing of it all is just too perfect to be otherwise.

At some point, I simply have to call "bullshit" and move on with my life.

Wayne
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: ZeBeeDee on August 10, 2009, 01:09:19 AM
@ Wayne

Thank you. Apology accepted (reluctantly) but it's not needed :)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: amigadave on August 10, 2009, 06:39:19 AM
@Wayne,

I understand your frustration and I truly don't understand all the fuss from some people about the function of this site.  I haven't had any trouble or complaints that I can remember at the moment.  I do think that any question posed by the site should be generic though, as we do have some newbie Amiga users that have little to no knowledge of the Amiga past and might not know the name of anyone at Amiga Inc. past, present, or future.

I don't think you would want to limit the access to this site only to those users who are knowledgeable of Amiga terms, people, etc. when there are sure to be some people that visit here out of curiosity, or are new Amiga users.

Just my 2 cents,



Edit:  I see your point about using Google to find the answer to any question posed, and agree that it is not too much to ask, if the person is really interested in browsing this site.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 10, 2009, 11:50:22 AM
@ all: Vbulletin works great.

It's the most popular forum software out there. Once you learn how to use it. You won't regret it.

Oh and it doesn't hurt to ask nicely if you want help.

@ Original Poster & A1260: Whining and saying you hate the site would earn you a ban elsewhere and doesn't help anyone. Be grateful you have this place for free and learn to respect someone else's hard work.

Suggestions or requests should be constructive and put forward maturely to the right people in the right way. If someone came and knocked on your door and said he hated your messy garden and the colour of your door it is ugly and it stinks would you listen to him?

On the other hand if someone suggested to you politely that it would suit the neighborhood if all houses kept within a certain colour scheme and that they were willing to help you clean up your garden wouldn't you prefer that over the whinger?
 
When you are typing on a forum you are talking directly to other people and what you type affects others just like it does in the real world. You should learn to respect that.

Enjoy interacting with people if you don't enjoy it here then find another forum where you will feel at home. Nobody is forcing you to like a particular site or its functions.

I can't beleive how inconsiderate some people can be. :bitch:
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: jj on August 10, 2009, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: A1260;518589
if they could put up a theme that looked more like the old theme instead of this mess of a theme they have now. things would be better but with no choice we are stuck with this shait, the whola site is a mess and very hard to find things, take a look at aw.net and amigans.net they got great themes and very easy to find what you want. its a shame that a.org have become a drag, i dont visit the site much anymore.............

 
 
 
 
I doubt anyone cares what you think to be honest. You are just an annoying fly
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: GadgetMaster on August 10, 2009, 05:04:55 PM
Quote from: A1260;518589
i dont visit the site much anymore.............


We can only hope and pray for such mercy. You couldn't do us a better favour.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: klx300r on August 10, 2009, 06:12:58 PM
@ Wayne

99% of Amiga.org users are happy so I wouldn't worry about it..I say take your bike out for a nice leisure ride and enjoy :-)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Firedawg on August 10, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
The GadgetMaster speaks with much wisdom and truth.  

The Dawg

Quote from: GadgetMaster;518701
@ all: Vbulletin works great.

It's the most popular forum software out there. Once you learn how to use it. You won't regret it.

Oh and it doesn't hurt to ask nicely if you want help.

@ Original Poster & A1260: Whining and saying you hate the site would earn you a ban elsewhere and doesn't help anyone. Be grateful you have this place for free and learn to respect someone else's hard work.

Suggestions or requests should be constructive and put forward maturely to the right people in the right way. If someone came and knocked on your door and said he hated your messy garden and the colour of your door it is ugly and it stinks would you listen to him?

On the other hand if someone suggested to you politely that it would suit the neighborhood if all houses kept within a certain colour scheme and that they were willing to help you clean up your garden wouldn't you prefer that over the whinger?
 
When you are typing on a forum you are talking directly to other people and what you type affects others just like it does in the real world. You should learn to respect that.

Enjoy interacting with people if you don't enjoy it here then find another forum where you will feel at home. Nobody is forcing you to like a particular site or its functions.

I can't beleive how inconsiderate some people can be. :bitch:
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Hattig on August 10, 2009, 10:30:19 PM
The new site is so much better than the old one it's practically incomparable.

Forum searching can put a high load upon the database server, so it's usually the feature that has the most bot-capturing logic applied to it.

It's a shame that the old Amiga browsers seem to be failing with some basic functionalities relating to the site. There's not much that can be done if the browsers are old or in development/alpha/beta except wait.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 13, 2009, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: Cammy;518584
I spent over an hour typing up a huge post listing all the recent software that has been released for classic Amigas and got this exact same problem! So after I clicked back, my message was gone too! And this WAS in IBROWSE!!!


:-O!

Can't believe it! IBrowse has always been good to me.

I see lots on AW.net but have't noticed much here. But I'm not looking all the time. Working on other things usually.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 13, 2009, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Framiga;518587
@Cammy and Vanilla

deleting the cookies from time to time, helps with such kind of things (on both OWB and IB)


By hand? OWB has no cookes in menu.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 13, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: Karlos;518592
If you need any help locating or using things, just ask.


I thought I did in the first thread but anyway, how do I reply to a person and quote to different sections of test?

On utilitybase I press "Quote" then drag select what I want and then have to paste it in between the codes, cluimsy, but works. Aw.net I drag select then click "Quote" and paste it in the box, prss return and it's in. Another non-Amiga forum I drag select what I want then press "Quote" and it's all done. Best I've sen yet! Because amiga.org is now modern I half expected it to work that way but it looks like it doesn't.

Not trying to compare here it's just what I'm used too. Also, what happened to the smileys? All I see is text. :-? Amiga.org still teething?

Quote from: Karlos;518592
Also, in the past, I've noticed that when I get logged out whilst writing a post, simply submitting the post is enough. It asks you to put in your login credentials again, and if you do so correctly, your post is submitted. There's no need to try to "go back" in the browser, the forum software has a degree more intelligence in that regard and temporarily holds your post whilst you login.


I tried this too but no post was posted.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 13, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
Quote from: Cammy;518616
And since we're here, I have sent a few private messages to people on this forum over the last few weeks, and half of them just didn't get through. I sent a message to someone, didn't get a reply, so sent another one and they replied saying they never got the first one. My next replies went unanswered too, and I wonder if they even got through. I had no login problems when doing this either, and I have submitted messages both from IBrowse in AmigaOS and Opera in Linux, and both times it seems the messages were never received and read.


Gee that's funny, I once sent you a message over at AW.net that remained replyless. :-) Hehe.

But I have noticed that sometimes if I reply as soon as I see it the other person will wait  a month when I have forgotten it.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 13, 2009, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: Wayne;518629
I just cannot believe there is so much whining over such a simplistic feature.


Can I ask what the feature is?
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 13, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: GadgetMaster;518701
@ Original Poster & A1260: Whining and saying you hate the site would earn you a ban elsewhere and doesn't help anyone.


When did I say this? Since I am the OP.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Wayne on August 13, 2009, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: Vanilla;519091
Can I ask what the feature is?
You're the one complaining about it.  If you don't know what you're whining about, why are you whining?
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Wayne on August 13, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: Vanilla;519088
Also, what happened to the smileys? All I see is text. :-? Amiga.org still teething?

Another feature that's been explained several times, but obviously since you missed it, it doesn't exist  

:laughing:

Quick Links >> Edit Options >> Miscellaneous Options >> Message Editor Interface

Use the Enhanced Interface (WYSIWYG).

Seriously though...  vBulletin is used twice as many sites as any other package on the planet.  The fact that you haven't run across it before is surprising, unless the ONLY sites you ever visit are confined to the now-antiquated Amiga.

Everything you're looking for is there, and is usually in plain site, as long as you bother to look for it with an open mind.

Replying with a quote is easy, just click "Quote" when reading a message.  If you want to reply to multiple messages in one, simply select each message you want to quote, then click "Multi "" which is right next to the Quote button.  The rest, meaning the [ quote ] and [ /quote ] tags work EXACTLY like they do at AmigaWorld or any other BBCODE compliant site.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: kvasir on August 13, 2009, 10:14:46 PM
I've had some trouble navigating about in A.org too, but have more or less gotten the hang of it. In Firefox, the site looks fine, the prob. seems to be with Ibrowse for me. I got NetSurf running on my 1200T, but its a bit slow on my system to use that much. I also look at the English Amiga Board (http://eab.abime.net/) from time to time, which lays out similar enough in IB that I suspect they're using the same software over there. I'm guessing there's going to be a bit of a shift of ppl from A.org to AW or Amigans who prefer the older interface, and perhaps more Abime ppl coming over here. (Just a guess) I'm on all four, and check the regularly. Not so much here and Abime because of the different interface, but thats just my preference. (If I'm looking for something in particular, I'll still search all 3, and I'm used to using the site: option in google for sites that have incompatible search engines anyway, while hoping they don't have an exclusive bots.txt file) Anyway, as far as the upgrade is concerned, its seems to work fine for me, and what I need out of an Amiga site. The number of sites dropping off the map for Ibrowse is increasing almost exponentially, and that would be the real problem. (To the point, I've considered coding my own browser, more appealing to me than contributing to an existing one, mostly due to my eyes going blurry when trying to read someone elses code)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: bloodline on August 13, 2009, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: Wayne;519103
Another feature that's been explained several times, but obviously since you missed it, it doesn't exist  

:laughing:

Quick Links >> Edit Options >> Miscellaneous Options >> Message Editor Interface

Use the Enhanced Interface (WYSIWYG).

Seriously though...  vBulletin is used twice as many sites as any other package on the planet.  The fact that you haven't run across it before is surprising, unless the ONLY sites you ever visit are confined to the now-antiquated Amiga.

Everything you're looking for is there, and is usually in plain site, as long as you bother to look for it with an open mind.

Replying with a quote is easy, just click "Quote" when reading a message.  If you want to reply to multiple messages in one, simply select each message you want to quote, then click "Multi "" which is right next to the Quote button.  The rest, meaning the [ quote ] and [ /quote ] tags work EXACTLY like they do at AmigaWorld or any other BBCODE compliant site.


I would really appreciate more than one level of quoting though, any chance you could increase to maybe about 8 or something? :)
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: kvasir on August 14, 2009, 12:13:27 AM
Kinda funny, when I try the "quick reply" button, It doesn't work in IBrowse unless I drag the link into the URL bar or the window. (Usually the window, just a flick of the wrist between pushing the button and releasing it that way) Not a big deal, and the mods probably have better things to worry about at this point. It might just be my config, too.
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 14, 2009, 03:58:52 AM
Quote from: Wayne;519102
You're the one complaining about it.  If you don't know what you're whining about, why are you whining?


Why do you think I am complaining and whining about it?!

A I said about it was:
Quote
But today I was logged in and it still asks me a question! What the?! As a user why aren't I allow to freely search?


Sorry if I thought that was a reasonable question to ask. Since it was answered I haven't said a thing since AFAIK so I don't know why this keeps coming back to me! :-D

Now, as to this feature, this a feature for the web master I take it? It certanly isn't a feature for the users. :-P
Title: Re: I don't know how to use the new amiga.org! :-o
Post by: Vanilla on August 14, 2009, 04:26:04 AM
@Wayne

That didn't seem right. :-?

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Another feature that's been explained several times, but obviously since you missed it, it doesn't exist


:-P

I only asked off hand since I had asked other things. So in effect I missed it!

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Use the Enhanced Interface (WYSIWYG).


Whoa! The big one. Currently using standard si will change again. Thanks for the tip. :-)

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Seriously though... vBulletin is used twice as many sites as any other package on the planet. The fact that you haven't run across it before is surprising, unless the ONLY sites you ever visit are confined to the now-antiquated Amiga.


No I go on other forums. I guess I don't try and go into detail about how the site works. Unless I don't know how to use it. Looks like I am having teething problems here now. ;-)

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Everything you're looking for is there, and is usually in plain site, as long as you bother to look for it with an open mind.


I did take a look, and look in the FAQ's. I didn't see any one about major changes and how to deal with it including setting up the quotes so it worked as before.

I haven't done much HTML in my time, so I'm sure you will find it easier to understand than myself.

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Replying with a quote is easy, just click "Quote" when reading a message. If you want to reply to multiple messages in one, simply select each message you want to quote, then click "Multi "" which is right next to the Quote button. The rest, meaning the [ quote ] and [ /quote ] tags work EXACTLY like they do at AmigaWorld or any other BBCODE compliant site.


Well it looks like I am getting somewhere finally thanks. I'm sure I have friends who are having the same issues getting used to things. :-)