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Title: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 08, 2011, 08:42:55 AM
I briefly used an OS that ran on the Atari ST, and classic Mac, but from within Mac OS.

I can not recall the name of it, but two come to mind.

MINT, which I do not believe is it.

Magic, which I believe is it, but I could be wrong.

Does anyone have any information about this?

Can anyone guess where I'm going with this? ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Kesa on November 08, 2011, 08:49:19 AM
out of curiosity why and what would you do with this os? :confused:
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 08, 2011, 09:00:11 AM
If my friend had an account here, he could tell you better. But in a nutshell, it was a very slick and very fast Pre-Emptive Multitasking OS for the Atari ST line of computers.

I do not recall how compatible was with software written for Gem or what ever, but I do know that it had a nice selections of apps already written for it which ran amazingly fast!

Nearly everything was in German, but with a Hex Editor, you were often able to go through and translate the programs (as well as the OS itself) into English.

As a side bonus, they ported the project over to work on the 68k Mac line of computers, though you could only launch it from within Mac OS. Amazingly enough, it still flew!!! I remember stripping down Mac OS down to the bare basics and setting this OS up to auto launch during boot time. One thing I remember is that I was able to go on-line with it, and I often forgot that Mac OS was running underneath because the speed increase is SO HUGE!
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 08, 2011, 09:11:23 AM
Then it is indeed MagiC.
MagiC had german origins and was ported to the Windows/PC and to the Macintosh 68k, where it was called MagiCMac. I still seem to have all three versions of it. And you could go online with it!
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 08, 2011, 09:23:41 AM
I knew someone here had to know about this and or had used it at one time! :)

I almost forgot the PC incarnation of this...

...sadly, not near as amazing.

Is there still any place to find this on the web?   (EDIT)

http://www.application-systems.de/magicmac/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagiC
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 08, 2011, 09:35:33 AM
WooHoo, the E-mail address is dead!!! :/

I REALLY wish I still had that CD my buddy burned off for me years ago. It was unsorted, but it was packed full of registered and free software of this nature. Evil I know, but it was given to me at a time when the ST scene was declared commercially deceased.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: soviet on November 08, 2011, 12:33:22 PM
MagicCmac could by a great way to have fun whit and old 68k mac. The problem is i looked for it for years and theres almost no information or references to it. If someone have the registered vercion or english vercion could PM me plase
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Colani1200 on November 08, 2011, 01:37:30 PM
Hm... while this might have been interesting "back then", I don't see much use of it nowadays where you have Aranym (http://aranym.org/) and AFROS.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 09, 2011, 06:16:12 AM
Here you have all three versions. I uploaded them for you.

Enjoy and tell us about your findings :)

BTW, the Atari version has already been converted to english.


http://www.mediafire.com/?33nafrs15jubr
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: commodorejohn on November 09, 2011, 06:25:26 AM
Well now this is interesting. What are the requirements? I might have to throw this on my SE/30 just for kicks when I get it up and running...
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 06:27:26 AM
I knew I liked you for some reason!!! :)

Thank you VERY VERY VERY MUCH!!!!
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 09, 2011, 06:32:53 AM
Just to wet your appetite:

http://gtello.pagesperso-orange.fr/tab_mothercard.gif

Look at the Quadra ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 06:53:15 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;667085
Well now this is interesting. What are the requirements? I might have to throw this on my SE/30 just for kicks when I get it up and running...

I've no idea actually, I've only seen it ran on an old 040 Mac Laptop, my friend's old STE, and my Quadra, though...

I think anything above a 68000 should work just fine, heck maybe a 68000 is enough, I dunno.

Of course this ground may be covered in the Wiki, but I've not gotten around to reading it yet. :)



I'm personally interested in seeing this run under Shape Shifter. I don't think I have room for a Mac in my house...

an Amiga yes, but Mac?
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 07:18:16 AM
Perm home for this collection now on my page:

http://starwarslegacy.net/Documents/MagiC.zip

Sorted and Zipped as well in case you are downloading in Windows.


ONLY UNZIP IN MAC OR AMIGA ENVIRONMENT OR SIT FILES MAY CORRUPT!!!!
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 10:05:11 AM
http://starwarslegacy.net/MagiC.aspx

:)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 10, 2011, 07:16:06 PM
Hmmm..

I installed MagiC under shape shifter, but when I launch it, it says something in German about 030/040 FPU and PPC.

I took a photo and was going to translate it but forgot to bring the photo with me.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Digiman on November 10, 2011, 08:12:12 PM
PC version never translated from German sadly.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 10, 2011, 08:15:53 PM
You can translate it your self (once it is installed) through a hex editor.

PC version is underwhelming btw. Best ran on a Quadra.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Reiknir on November 10, 2011, 08:45:59 PM
Support is at http://www.application-systems.de/atari/

Contains the last OSX version updates
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 10, 2011, 09:18:38 PM
I'd be curious to see how well this performs on OS X, though I only own Amigas so ShapeShifter it is...

...assuming I can get it to work.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Digiman on November 10, 2011, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;667310
You can translate it your self (once it is installed) through a hex editor.

PC version is underwhelming btw. Best ran on a Quadra.


Without knowing ANY German? I think not.

PC version is the only one that really interests me.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 10, 2011, 09:37:21 PM
Quote from: Digiman;667329
Without knowing ANY German? I think not.

PC version is the only one that really interests me.



Google translate is your friend! :)

http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 11, 2011, 01:44:10 AM
Here is the error I get on my A600 with ACA 030 board...

Lauft nur mit CPU 68030, 68040, 68020/68851 oder PowerPC.

Translated:

Run only with CPU 68030, 68040, 68020 / 68851 or PowerPC.

------------

Something tells me MagiCMac does not recognize what ShapeShifter is running on top of. ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 11, 2011, 08:22:06 PM
I don't think you can full MagiC Mac using Shape Shifter. It would certainly seem it needs to be run on real hardware.

The upside is that it appears that MagiCMac does support PPC processors so maybe, just maybe I can get it to work on my of my eMacs running on OS9.

If that does not work, maybe I can install OS X and give the OS X version a go.

It's really a wonder they never ported this OS to the Amiga.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: nicholas on November 11, 2011, 11:46:56 PM
The Atari version of MagiC runs on Aranym.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: slaapliedje on November 13, 2011, 06:25:18 PM
You guys rock!  I have been trying to find MagiC for my ST for years.  Could never find a place to buy it.  

Even after I had found large collections of Atari ST software, not a single one had the latest English version of MagiC.

Hmm, now maybe it'll be worth it to get my Atari Mega STe and Atari TT030 up and running again.

Though my Amiga 4000 is currently way better than either of them :D

slaapliedje
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Kronos on November 13, 2011, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;667378

Run only with CPU 68030, 68040, 68020 / 68851 or PowerPC.



68851 hints that it needs a working MMU which probraly isn't available under shapeshifter (even if the host-system has one).
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: saimon69 on November 13, 2011, 07:33:50 PM
Not the first time that i ask, just i wonder how hard might be to do a port of AROS for mac classic and other 68k/PPC old world non/amiga machines based on 68k Amiga port, and how good might perform...

Saimon69
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 13, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: saimon69;667724
Not the first time that i ask, just i wonder how hard might be to do a port of AROS for mac classic and other 68k/PPC old world non/amiga machines based on 68k Amiga port, and how good might perform...

Saimon69


I've thought about that too, but then realized that in the end all that we would have would be a Mac that could run Amiga software that never makes direct calls to the chip set...

...but only much slower than such software would run under MorphOS on a cheap eMac, thus making such a venture pointless.

On the other hand it would be nice to see AROS more fully developed for classic Amiga. Then we would be able to at least make free Emergency disks without the use of Work Bench files.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: nicholas on November 13, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: saimon69;667724
Not the first time that i ask, just i wonder how hard might be to do a port of AROS for mac classic and other 68k/PPC old world non/amiga machines based on 68k Amiga port, and how good might perform...

Saimon69

 One of the FreeMiNT developers is working on a 68k MiNT-hosted port of AROS.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 14, 2011, 12:07:58 AM
Quote from: saimon69;667724
Not the first time that i ask, just i wonder how hard might be to do a port of AROS for mac classic and other 68k/PPC old world non/amiga machines based on 68k Amiga port, and how good might perform...

Saimon69


I really think it would be a great idea.

68k Macs are cheap as hell and really easy to find. For example I bought mine for just $8 including shipping. I got a 68040 machine with 128MB of ram, that has both ide and scsi. On top of that it has ethernet and the chipset can handle 16 bit resolutions without any flicker. It is very well built hardware.

It makes a lot better Aros 68k machine in many aspects than most amigas, and at a fraction of their costs. Imagine finding an amiga with similar specs... How much would you have to pay to grab it?
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 14, 2011, 12:59:36 AM
Quadra is going for around $100 the last I looked.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 14, 2011, 01:57:01 AM
I do not have a Quadra, I have a Performa, which is a lot cheaper.
And then you have all the LC Mac line, which many of them have a 68040.

But anyway, mate, go ahead, make a hardware comparison between a $100 Quadra an a similarly specced Amiga and you will find a big difference in price and availability.

On the other hand, running Aros on a 68k Mac is as usefull as running MagiCMac on it ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: soviet on November 14, 2011, 02:43:26 PM
Wow gulliver you are the best :D i cant wait to try it im posting pics of it running on my quadra 950
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: soviet on November 14, 2011, 03:04:44 PM
Hey also what kind of atari software can by run on this ? theres some place having information recomended apps or someone can trow in some links to hot apps :D
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 14, 2011, 09:52:35 PM
Good points. :)


Quote from: Gulliver;667763
I do not have a Quadra, I have a Performa, which is a lot cheaper.
And then you have all the LC Mac line, which many of them have a 68040.

But anyway, mate, go ahead, make a hardware comparison between a $100 Quadra an a similarly specced Amiga and you will find a big difference in price and availability.

On the other hand, running Aros on a 68k Mac is as usefull as running MagiCMac on it ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 14, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: soviet;667806
Hey also what kind of atari software can by run on this ? theres some place having information recomended apps or someone can trow in some links to hot apps :D

You can run OS friendly programs. Programs that directly hit the Atari hardware will fail.
There are tcp-ip stacks, web browsers, video players, word processors, etc, that will work quite nicely. Many of them are free/shareware. Google is your friend :)

And then where are your pics? :)

@XDelusion and @Soviet
I will seek thru my dvds to find interesting Atari stuff for you. I will let you know when I find something ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 14, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Thank you again kind sir!!!


Quote from: Gulliver;667886
You can run OS friendly programs. Programs that directly hit the Atari hardware will fail.
There are tcp-ip stacks, web browsers, video players, word processors, etc, that will work quite nicely. Many of them are free/shareware. Google is your friend :)

And then where are your pics? :)

@XDelusion and @Soviet
I will seek thru my dvds to find interesting Atari stuff for you. I will let you know when I find something ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 15, 2011, 04:29:59 AM
Okay here we go:
Lots of applications for Atari 32bit machines. Games are easily found elsewhere on the net. Just check the Atariz.zip file for many cool apps :)


http://www.mediafire.com/?zw34o3s7y57db
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 15, 2011, 05:01:27 AM
Gasp!!! :)

I know I'm not going to be able to spend time with this for a while, but I'm excited.

Thank you once again!!!

BTW, ever hear of Lonny Pursell? (spelling?).

He's famous for writing up a single file IRC client in GFA Basic. Good friend of mine! Lives about 4 miles away. Can't think of the name of the app though, and I need to get in touch with Lonny, it's been a while.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 15, 2011, 05:40:30 AM
BTW, MagiC will not work under Basilisk II either. I just tried it under MorphOS. The mac side FLEW, but MagiC gave back the same error as Shape Shifter did.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Gulliver on November 15, 2011, 06:12:40 AM
@XDelusion

About your friend: Lonnie Purcell

His website: http://userpages.bright.net/~gfabasic/
His IRC client: AtarIRC


BTW, have you tried Mac emulation with Fusion 3.2?
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 15, 2011, 06:18:25 PM
Ha ha, that's Lonny!!!

As fate would have it, one of his relatives is in the home I work at and I was talking to one of his cousins last night which brought him to mind.

Anyhow, his IRC client is really nice, though it has been forever since I used it. I do remember Lonny saying something a long time ago about how he never liked libraries and this and that, and preferred to write programs that were all contained within one file.


Anyhow, Fusion...

I heard that Fusion is generally only good to use on a RTG based system and that it did not handle too well on standard AGA. I remember trying to set it up once years ago, but got no where.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: nicholas on November 15, 2011, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;667972
I do remember Lonny saying something a long time ago about how he never liked libraries and this and that, and preferred to write programs that were all contained within one file.
 OMG! Lonny is Franko! ;)
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 15, 2011, 09:19:01 PM
Nope, wrong country. :)

Why? Does Franko have a thing for single file apps too?
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: nicholas on November 15, 2011, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;667993
Nope, wrong country. :)

Why? Does Franko have a thing for single file apps too?

 I remember him saying so once.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: Karlos on November 15, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;667993
Nope, wrong country. :)

Why? Does Franko have a thing for single file apps too?

Well, there was a comment something along the lines of datatypes being "one of the worst things ever" in OS3.x...

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=597144&postcount=37
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 15, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
Aghh, I remember now.

Man I miss having him around. Writing privately via e-mail just ain't the same.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: soviet on November 16, 2011, 03:56:06 AM
Well here are the captures of magicmac running on a Centris 650 (lot smaller than the quadra) the performance is excellent, i don't understand German so all the preferences menus are really hard to get what you are doing.
This centris have 128mb (maxed out) ram scsi drive and onboard video (tops at 800x600 256) 68040@25mhz

http://bayimg.com/kAKKbAadP
http://bayimg.com/kAKkEAADp
http://bayimg.com/KAKKGaadp
http://bayimg.com/KakkHAADP
http://bayimg.com/KAKKIaAdP
http://bayimg.com/KaKkjaAdp

I belive that could by nice to build some kind of distribution out of this like Amigasys or ClassicWB working on magicmac, also hack out all the dialogs using resedit to translate from german to english i like to do that but it must by done by someone that knows german.
Add all the atari st apps that run good here/ games etc. to have a functional fast atari st out of any old mac.

Also i tried the pc vercion and runs on windows 7 32bit hell fast on a core i3, the diestro could by run on any vercion, mac ppc,mac 68,pc. I prefer the 68k vercion is the most "real" one.
Title: Re: Looking for alt OS for Atari/Mac Classic
Post by: XDelusion on November 16, 2011, 04:34:13 AM
Wow, I really didn't expect this thread to be so lively!

Thankx for sharing! :)