Sure, the conversions often werent great conversions, but some good games were made from them (salamander,rtype,nemesis,forgotten worlds, etc, etc.). However, conversions were often inferiror to the c64's original titles. Still one of the best 2d shooter platforms around. C64 vs. nes or msx for shooters ? You're joking right ? The c64 blitzed them both. One or 2 excpetions doesnt change this fact. Also, I never understood how the MSX received a good reputation for shooters. Speccy style graphics with inferior movement isnt the best formula for a good 2d shooter.