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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2009, 06:07:56 PM »
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Hence the conclusion - AROS is for PCs as long as you are desktop. So statistically, not necessarily fully supported x86.


If you look closely, Pixie said, "Hosted" and he is right on the money.  As long as the host OS has something equal to vmware, it can run AROS hosted without issue.  Your thinking of natively running on notebooks which may indeed have issues because of the unusual hardware that maybe be found in a notebook.


That's right. But hosted OS is not OS, just a virtual guest.  Doesn't feel the same.

Notebooks being unusual hardware... Technically True, but statistically... False.  It is market that makes the definitions what is usual or not. Always.

BTW AROS Live doesn't boot on my notebook so it ain't hosted that way.
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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2009, 02:40:52 PM »
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BTW AROS Live doesn't boot on my notebook


Have you tried

1. booting with Icaros Desktop's "Emergency mode" kernel?

and

2. doing the "nodma trick"? just choose the boot line you want in early menu and press E. Move the cursor to "ATA=32bit" and replace it with "ATA=nodma", then press Ctrl+X to continue booting.

Once installed on the hard drive, you can edit AROS:boot/grub/grub.cfg to turn all the '32bit' to 'nodma' that you need. Another option that might help you, instead of 'nodma', is 'nopci'. Sorry, but some chipsets has to be treated like this to work properly.
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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2009, 04:28:50 PM »
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Linux is only a kernel. Anubis is a Linux distro, just possibly one that won't be compatible with any of the other ones.


Yeah, if you're using the Linux kernel for your OS, it's a Linux distro whether you want to call it that or not. It may have some freaky userland stuff in place of the GNU and other popular programs, but it's still Linux even if it isn't GNU/Linux.
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2009, 04:40:10 PM »
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Linux is only a kernel. Anubis is a Linux distro, just possibly one that won't be compatible with any of the other ones.


Yeah, if you're using the Linux kernel for your OS, it's a Linux distro whether you want to call it that or not. It may have some freaky userland stuff in place of the GNU and other popular programs, but it's still Linux even if it isn't GNU/Linux.


If that were true then MacOSX is no different from Darwin... Linux is just a kernel...

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2009, 05:06:50 PM »
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MOS.

What's charity about MorphOS exactly? And why this name calling, have I missed something?
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Those two I could easily see be threatened by Anubis-OS in the coming years.

I don't agree here. The target audiences are somewhat different: MorphOS is PPC, Anubis x86. MorphOS runs amiga apps directly, Anubis doesn't.

Both could easily co-exist (obviously assuming here that Anubis reaches maturity).
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2009, 05:21:48 PM »
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I don't agree here. The target audiences are somewhat different: MorphOS is PPC, Anubis x86. MorphOS runs amiga apps directly, Anubis doesn't.


Your forgetting ARM for Anubis-OS and probably PPC (SAM and EFIKA I) as well.

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2009, 05:34:47 PM »
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Your forgetting ARM for Anubis-OS and probably PPC (SAM and EFIKA I) as well.

I don't get the idea of running AROS or Anubis on anything else than x86 (ARM could make sense assuming some cheap & powerful ARM HW comes along), or how it would somehow "threaten" MorphOS. Typically MorphOS users have already invested on special HW to run MorphOS, so it would seem a bit silly to throw that away.

I'd still like to hear about this "charity" thing and the general feeling of hostility I'm seeing. Or am I just reading too much into things here?
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2009, 05:38:43 PM »
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I'd still like to hear about this "charity" thing, btw.


That's fine. What none main stream OS are you paying money for that isn't selling in the hundreds of thousands?

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2009, 05:41:42 PM »
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What none main stream OS are you paying money for that isn't selling in the hundreds of thousands?

How does it make it charity?
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2009, 06:41:54 PM »
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@dammy Quote:      What none main stream OS are you paying money for that isn't selling in the hundreds of thousands?   How does it make it charity?


I would most certainly call paying for a tiny hobby OS that is not economically viable an act of charity.  

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2009, 07:39:39 PM »
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I would most certainly call paying for a tiny hobby OS that is not economically viable an act of charity.

So equally, you think that paying developers via bounty system is charity aswell?
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2009, 08:00:50 PM »
And free beer, don't forget free beer!

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I don't agree here. The target audiences are somewhat different: MorphOS is PPC, Anubis x86. MorphOS runs amiga apps directly, Anubis doesn't.


Your forgetting ARM for Anubis-OS and probably PPC (SAM and EFIKA I) as well.

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2009, 08:09:08 PM »
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So equally, you think that paying developers via bounty system is charity aswell?


Absolutely.  It was a personal requirement of mine to find a 501(c)3 to hand off TeamAROS to.  Unlike OS4/MOS, AROS is a community OS which depends on charity, be it of donations or from the developer's time and efforts.  Others may say they are a commercial OS, the sad numbers of paying customers prove they are economically unviable and more charity then anything else.

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2009, 08:11:56 PM »
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Sure, as long as your paying for it.   Genesi is stepping up to the plate for Anibus-OS ARM support.

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2009, 09:26:19 PM »
So what's on the plate?  Is it fully catered?  

This whole Arix thing is like nailing jelly to the wall, everything is bluster, big talk, give us an OS that we can play with, the Source Forge page downloads section is empty...


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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #44 from previous page: March 31, 2009, 09:52:10 PM »
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This whole Arix thing is like nailing jelly to the wall, everything is bluster, big talk, give us an OS that we can play with, the Source Forge page downloads section is empty...


Feel free to ignore the project until the M1 release.  It's actively being worked on and things will be released when they are ready.

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