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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: digitex on November 08, 2011, 02:07:29 PM
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video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFvtsIASCug&feature=player_embedded
teaser:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS_Teaser.aspx
details:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS_Vision.aspx
date/time:
11.11.11 @ 11:11:11 GMT
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video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFvtsIASCug&feature=player_embedded
teaser:
http://www.************.net/CUSA_OS_Teaser.aspx
details:
http://www.************.net/CUSA_OS_Vision.aspx
date/time:
11.11.11 @ 11:11:11 GMT
CUSA. I can take them or leave them, mostly I like how they irritate certain people in the OS4 community. But wow, for somebody to feel so threatened by CUSA that they put the domain into the site censor list is really pathetic. Seriously, this is one of the saddest things I've ever seen on any site, ever.
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No need to wait, get SinclairOS Pink Eye NOW.
SinclairUK (http://sinclair-uk.weebly.com/)
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(http://dappered.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/sockdrawer.jpg)
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFvtsIASCug&feature=player_embedded
teaser:
http://www.************.net/CUSA_OS_Teaser.aspx
details:
http://www.************.net/CUSA_OS_Vision.aspx
date/time:
11.11.11 @ 11:11:11 GMT
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(http://s2.techspy.com/media/14/news/565000/568638_0.jpg)
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Just what the world needs, one more Linux distro........
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I have little interest in linux, but I do concur with whoever it was that said the filter is ridiculous.
Virged on amusing when it was 1st bought to our attention, but now it seems somewhat petty.
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video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFvtsIASCug&feature=player_embedded
teaser:
http://www.************.net/CUSA_OS_Teaser.aspx
details:
http://www.************.net/CUSA_OS_Vision.aspx
date/time:
11.11.11 @ 11:11:11 GMT
* yawn. *
-- eliyahu
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The site censor needs to go.
I'm the first one to bash C-USA, but man - that censor garbage is really, REALLY unprofessional. I assure you I can control myself and refrain from posting about "yet another skinned Linux distro", hehe. It's all been said before, good luck, Boys.
If their spam is not welcome here, delete it - but the Big Brother aspect is not cute or remotely funny.
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I'm running Linux MintPPC on a PowerBook, I'm pretty sure that's as much "Commodore" as this is...
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Why wait three days?. Download it now:
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Themes/Amiga-Ubuntunized-54537.shtml
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There, now my main-menu icon is a checkmark! It's official!
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Are Tedd's galleons still illegal?
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Guess not, huzzah!
Seriously though, something much more interesting being released on 11/11/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjqsYzBrP-M
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I can't believe I am going to write a postive commodore USA post but I am... You see, I have tinkered with linux since commodore amiga died...Off and on for years. Linux replaced amiga for me for that being different thing being a commodore amiga user used to be. Linux is just beautiful, its different, its totally customizable, its open. Its FREEDOM.
On commodore OS...
Yeah its funny to laugh but realize this :
1) Any linux distro is worlds ahead of ANY ng amiga OS, so its not hard to stomp the competition.
2) Runs on any hardware, unlike morph and amigaos4 if anyone wants to try it they can if ************ lets them, but I think it will be reserved for people who buy their computers. (and rightly so, creating even a respin takes alot of development time and energy, which costs money)
3) Real browsing. No Really, any every day computer you use needs this and every amigaOS currently is lacking in many areas for this. Linux has firefox, chromium and many more ready to go.
4) Compiz - Its just nice, say what you want but it beats screen dragging.
And once you start working in 3d you will never want to stay in flatland. Its literally a whole new dimension for the way you want to work.
I use a 12 sided cube myself. I have a browser on one side of my cube, facebook open on one,gimp always open in one side, my email program in another, word processing in one, a system management screen in one with monitors, 3 game screens, blender in one, audio editing in another,
and finally, a screen left for anything else I may load.
All those programs are instanly accessable and ready to work at all times....Multitasked beautifully.
5) Customization - You can make your computer look and work anyway you like. AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS have less options for sure.
6) Variety of applications...and games - Linux can run linux,apple, ,older mac,windows, DOS, amiga, c64, atari st,and many many more applications and games. Linux opens your computing world to being able to run virtually any computer program ever written (with the right emulation/tweaks and so on) No amiga os past or present allows you to run so many applications or games, period. Linux can run virtually any computer program ever written. No really, amiga OS can't do that.
7) Virtualbox - Run windows 95,98,2000,xp,vista or 7 in a window. No amiga OS can do this. Linux can. Virtualbox also allows beos/haiku and many others to run in a window.
8) Easy to remaster/redistribute... Linux is easier to remaster, make a custom spin or redistribution than any amiga os past or present.
9) Your desktop mobile... Linux is easier to install to usb flash drives so you can take your whole computer with you everywhere you go, and you can load that on just about ANY host computer you will find with a usb port. No really, again amiga os past or present can't do this.
10) Ubuntu repositories... Ubuntu repositories are massive. They have precompiled and ready to install virtually ANY linux program ever written. These apps all ready to go. In their repos you will find programs to do ANYTHING you will ever need a computer to do. Fast, free, point and click installs of any program you need to do ANYTHING.
I am SURE there are more reasons why commodore USA is right on this move even if amigans won't admit it, but these are the first I thought of.
Say what you want, but the form, functionality, look and feel of what they can possibly deliver smokes any amiga os or varient so far.
It has great potential. Where they take that great potential is what will really decide where they go. Please take a moment to realize the potential before you instantly dismiss this idea.
Talk trash if you want, but watch and see what develops first.
Steven
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I agree with all the above about Linux and CUSA sell anything they want but I still think they should use another brand name. Using the C= Amiga names is not appropriate for those products as they have nothing to do with it.
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Hold on there, Tiger. Let's not start giving revolutionary credit and praise to a company that's simply latched onto a Linux distro and spun it into a rebranded OS.
Praise Linux for what it is, but keep your tits in your shirt here in regards to this Vision OS - the C-USA boys haven't done anything other than customize a distro like any schlub in his basement could have done in a weekend. Credit where credit is due, they are providing the product they promised and I do hope it fits the needs of their users.
They deserve no praise for freely making it available, they have to abide by GPL like anyone else. We here at A.org could each go buy a case of beers this weekend and roll out our own A.org OS distro collectively. The "Dancing Franko" screenblanker might take some time though.
As for the "the right way to do it" comment, what options were there? Linux can be handed out willy nilly, tweaked to look as something fancy - FREE. Include a handwritten sheet in the computer box that says "4 AN OS PLZ VISIT UBUNTU.COM & ASK THEM 2 MAIL U A DEE VEE DEE, THX!!" if you want. From a support angle it's entirely sane, esp. for a new company that may not want to wrangle around with Microsoft. let's just not give credit where credit is due and say Linux is their brainchild, ok?
I agree they were smart with going with Linux, leaving a MS OS up to the user, but the "right way to go" idea is silly. Linux costs them nothing, that's why they went with it. No cost to them, no obligation to support it. Fanboys can develop linux themes and backdrops for zilch - you simply are not going to convince me they spent anything more than beer money on "customization", lol. It is absolutely a brain dead process to roll your own customized Linux "distro", even without ever seeing a single line of source.
The option was selling the machines with a Windows OEM/VLK tag, and that would a have severely effected their profits. FREE vs. $50, minimum? Can't say I wouldn't have done any different, but then again I also wouldn't have done the marketing hype of trying to pass a Linux distro off as a new OS.
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4) Compiz - Its just nice, say what you want but it beats screen dragging.
And once you start working in 3d you will never want to stay in flatland. Its literally a whole new dimension for the way you want to work.
I use a 12 sided cube myself. I have a browser on one side of my cube, facebook open on one,gimp always open in one side, my email program in another, word processing in one, a system management screen in one with monitors, 3 game screens, blender in one, audio editing in another,
and finally, a screen left for anything else I may load.
All those programs are instanly accessable and ready to work at all times....Multitasked beautifully.
Do you get headaches? I tried using the cube with 4 or 5 sides and after 20 minutes i had a migraine. It's a good gimmick but not really useful or productive. I just use the sideways scrolling instead. Much nicer.
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Hold on there, Tiger.
Let's not start giving revolutionary credit and praise to a company that's simply latched onto a Linux distro and spun it into a rebranded OS.
Praise Linux for what it is, but keep your tits in your shirt here in regards to this Vision OS - the C-USA boys haven't done anything other than customize a distro like any schlub in his basement could have done in a weekend.
They deserve no praise for freely making it available, they have to abide by GPL like anyone else.
But they have an advert!
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Hold on there, Tiger.
Let's not start giving revolutionary credit and praise to a company that's simply latched onto a Linux distro and spun it into a rebranded OS.
Praise Linux for what it is, but keep your tits in your shirt here in regards to this Vision OS - the C-USA boys haven't done anything other than customize a distro like any schlub in his basement could have done in a weekend.
They deserve no praise for freely making it available, they have to abide by GPL like anyone else.
^ This. I'm down with Linux (in fact, I'm finally abandoning XP for it, now I've got it running on the Powerbook,) but CUSA have done approximately what I, personally, could have done in the same time frame just dicking around in GIMP and playing with GTK themes. I've got mine looking like Mac OS 9 using themes I grabbed from gnome-look.org, does that make it a Mac? No, of course not. Yet CUSA still haven't stopped tooting their own horn incessantly about this revolutionary new...re-skinning of Ubuntu. CONGRATULATIONS, BARRY, YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED EXACTLY WHAT THOUSANDS OF NERDS DO IN ANY GIVEN WEEK OF THEIR FREE TIME. WE TREMBLE AND DAMPEN OUR COLLECTIVE PANTIES AT YOUR 1337 5K1LLZ.
And while there's plenty of arguments to be made in favor of Linux, to say that it outperforms any of the NG Amiga OSes is kind of missing the point, in my opinion. Yes, you can run it on newer, mightier hardware, and you can more easily obtain modern software for it. On the other hand, it's nothing all that interesting or exciting; it's just a Unixoid environment tweaked for desktop use to varying degrees. It works, and it generally works well, but it's not something that intrigues me on its own merits, as the Amiga OS and its assorted derivatives do. I think there's always going to be a place for niche OSes with interesting designs, even if they never catch up to mainstream platforms by general market standards.
4) Compiz - Its just nice, say what you want but it beats screen dragging.
And once you start working in 3d you will never want to stay in flatland. Its literally a whole new dimension for the way you want to work.
I use a 12 sided cube myself. I have a browser on one side of my cube, facebook open on one,gimp always open in one side, my email program in another, word processing in one, a system management screen in one with monitors, 3 game screens, blender in one, audio editing in another,
and finally, a screen left for anything else I may load.
Actually? No. "3D" desktop environments disgust me. They're a waste of resources and provide no usability benefit over standard workspace-switching (indeed, considering the extra switching time, I'd say they're less usable.) Bleargh.
(Now, hardware-accelerated compositing window managers in general? Terrific idea, nicely-executed. I just don't need no damn cube-mapping.)
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I personally like UN*X systems (MacOS, Linux, BSD) but I see no reason to call them Commodore or Amiga. They are what they are and they ain't what they ain't and they ain't "Amiga."
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I am SURE there are more reasons why commodore USA is right on this move even if amigans won't admit it,
Steven
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It doesn't matter anymore whether this stuff is pure blood. Perhaps it mattered 10 years ago but now the Amiga is a relic and can't compete even with mobile phones and extending an old architecture isn't going to cut it. These days anything that will kick start the company(ies) cash flow again is the right move, things change, time to move on. Gateway, Escom etc. weren't good companies but people got behind them even when they had no idea what they were doing, it's time to show some blind faith again.
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It doesn't matter anymore whether this stuff is pure blood. Perhaps it mattered 10 years ago but now the Amiga is a relic and can't compete even with mobile phones and extending an old architecture isn't going to cut it. These days anything that will kick start the company(ies) cash flow again is the right move, things change, time to move on. Gateway, Escom etc. weren't good companies but people got behind them even when they had no idea what they were doing, it's time to show some blind faith again.
God, no. Giving the benefit of the doubt to an unproven company would be one thing. But placing your trust in a guy who's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's just another (funny word from "Pippa Passes") interested only in milking cash out of deluded retro enthusiasts and beating his chest to the community he's said he doesn't give a damn about? That's just stupid.
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I can't believe I am going to write a postive commodore USA post but I am...
I am SURE there are more reasons why commodore USA is right on this move even if amigans won't admit it, but these are the first I thought of.
Steven
Sadly, because we all know the facts of Linux (and some of use it) on x86 and AmigaNGs. To get that right: if this was kind of lower specs mass produced shipped with Ubuntu thing to get the cheap and usable x86 systems (like e.g. one laptop per child project was) would be first to go for it. If it was a push for more indivdiuals and companies to use Linux, too.
But to abuse Commodore and Amiga name, history and OS values, to sell higher priced x86 computers with changed Linux is an equal insult to AmigaOS AND LINUX
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Complete nonsense that won't matter in 2 weeks, not that it matters now.
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milking cash out of deluded retro enthusiasts
What's wrong with that? Apple have deluded fans, Sony have fanbois, football fans are often deluded...
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CUSA. I can take them or leave them, mostly I like how they irritate certain people in the OS4 community. But wow, for somebody to feel so threatened by CUSA that they put the domain into the site censor list is really pathetic. Seriously, this is one of the saddest things I've ever seen on any site, ever.
Very good defence mechanism against their constant idea to promote themselves as "Commodore" and "Amiga"
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What's wrong with that? Apple have deluded fans, Sony have fanbois, football fans are often deluded...
Yes, and...? It's entirely true that there are other companies that make their money primarily by exploiting blind brand loyalty. I don't like them either. The only reason I don't say much to that effect is because their CEOs haven't shown up here to post news about how they totally tweaked Ubuntu to look kind of like AOS4 and demand our adulation for this incredible feat.
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Yes, and...?
As you've noted it's a good business model.
I don't like Steve Jobs, I dislike his brainwashed fanatics and products but kudos to Apple for clearly getting it right.
their CEOs haven't shown up here to post news about how they totally tweaked Ubuntu to look kind of like AOS4 and demand our adulation for this incredible feat.
Judge the company and the products, not the CEO. OSX is just Linux, Android is just Linux, IE is just Mosaic, a number of car makes have Volkswagen engines... it's certainly not something to get pissy about and needs to be put in perspective.
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As you've noted it's a good business model.
I don't like Steve Jobs, I dislike his brainwashed fanatics and products but kudos to Apple for clearly getting it right.
Judge the company and the products, not the CEO. OSX is just Linux, Android is just Linux, IE is just Mosaic, a number of car makes have Volkswagen engines... it's certainly not something to get pissy about and needs to be put in perspective.
So far CUSA produced poorely cooled C64x case for $350
Other "inventions" are all 3rd party (Ubuntu, generic x86 boards)
About COS when its out
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yawn... to all point... yawn...
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As you've noted it's a good business model.
I don't like Steve Jobs, I dislike his brainwashed fanatics and products but kudos to Apple for clearly getting it right.
No, see, there's a difference between something being functional and something being right. I could steal your wallet, and that would fulfill the function of keeping me in takeout Chinese and beer for another month, but I daresay you would have a couple objections to it.
Or, if it's the legality of the thing, I could sell you bottled elephant piss via slick ads that imply (but never state, because that would be false advertising, and that would be Wrong, and coincidentally also illegal and easily prosecuted) that it's a divine ambrosia that will make you popular with large-breasted women and the envy of all other men. There might be nothing at all illegal about it. (Assuming I paid off the FDA, anyway.) It would still be wrong.
The notion that "turns a profit" is the highest moral standard to which businesses should be expected to hold themselves is one of the biggest flaws in modern society.
Judge the company and the products, not the CEO. OSX is just Linux, Android is just Linux, IE is just Mosaic, a number of car makes have Volkswagen engines... it's certainly not something to get pissy about and needs to be put in perspective.
I do judge the products on their own merits. OSX is just [strike]Linux[/strike] BSD, yes, et cetera et cetera, and C-USA's products are just comically overpriced and underpowered PC clones in retro cases, running a skinned Ubuntu.
I also judge the CEO, when he makes himself a presence in the communities I frequent. I don't make too many remarks about Steve Jobs because he generally kept to his corners of the Internet and out of mine, but if he'd come on here talking about OSX Lion and how Apple was going to work towards doing away with that tired, old-fashioned time-tested desktop computing environment that they themselves were instrumental in perfecting, I'd have happily shared my exact feelings in no uncertain terms. I don't much care about a hobo ranting on the street corner, but if he shows up in my living room I'll have a few things to say to him.
Barry's company has shown that they are all too happy to provide ludicrously overpriced products, ship with significant design flaws (cooling issues, anyone?), and don't really give two shïts about customer support until a large enough number of people complain that they can't ignore it any more. Barry himself has provided ample evidence to conclude that he's an unstable huckster out to make a fast buck off people who are so desperate for any development that they'll buy any damn thing you slap a chickenhead on, and also no small measure of an *******. I trust neither as far as I could throw them.
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@commodorejohn
OSx is NOT Linux, it's bsd.
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damn, you corrected it before i could point it out. :)
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@digitex
What about COS2, will it still be something other than Linux and is there any time scale for the arrival of that?
Cheers
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@haywirepc
Youre just so off the mark Im not even going to respond apart from to say 3 thigs:
1. Personal taste/opinion
2. Just 'cos *you* cant do something on an amiga system doesnt mean it cant be done. Ive run Windows/linux and beos on both aros and os3.x before.
3. Linux is about as much fun as shredding your nerps with a cheesegrater and almost s logical. (yes, there's a touch of deliberate irony there, just to prove my point).
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@haywirepc
Linux is about as much fun as shredding your nerps with a cheesegrater and almost s logical. (yes, there's a touch of deliberate irony there, just to prove my point).
;) Yes, it can be painful at times.
"I use Linux 'cos I'm into pain!"
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What I don't get is why so many people think the rest of us have never tried Linux, when I'd warrant there's hardly anyone here who hasn't at some point.
We've tried Linux, we don't like it as much as AmigaOS for whatever reason, which is why we're here. If we had liked Linux we'd be on linux.org wouldn't we?
As soon as C=USA does something that actually has anything to do with Amigas, I'll be interested. Until then, I don't honestly see why they're allowed to advertise on this site for free?
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;) Yes, it can be painful at times.
"I use Linux 'cos I'm into pain!"
It may be 'cos of a lack of sleep (I really hope so), but that last sentence gave me an overwhelming urge to find a picture of Tux in S&M bondage gear :)
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It may be 'cos of a lack of sleep (I really hope so), but that last sentence gave me an overwhelming urge to find a picture of Tux in S&M bondage gear :)
I can't find one, maybe I should fire up the GIMP and make one.
Do I get bonus points for irony?
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Steven,
Thank you.
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I can't believe I am going to write a postive commodore USA post but I am... You see, I have tinkered with linux since commodore amiga died...Off and on for years. Linux replaced amiga for me for that being different thing being a commodore amiga user used to be. Linux is just beautiful, its different, its totally customizable, its open. Its FREEDOM.
On commodore OS...
Yeah its funny to laugh but realize this :
1) Any linux distro is worlds ahead of ANY ng amiga OS, so its not hard to stomp the competition.
2) Runs on any hardware, unlike morph and amigaos4 if anyone wants to try it they can if ************ lets them, but I think it will be reserved for people who buy their computers. (and rightly so, creating even a respin takes alot of development time and energy, which costs money)
3) Real browsing. No Really, any every day computer you use needs this and every amigaOS currently is lacking in many areas for this. Linux has firefox, chromium and many more ready to go.
4) Compiz - Its just nice, say what you want but it beats screen dragging.
And once you start working in 3d you will never want to stay in flatland. Its literally a whole new dimension for the way you want to work.
I use a 12 sided cube myself. I have a browser on one side of my cube, facebook open on one,gimp always open in one side, my email program in another, word processing in one, a system management screen in one with monitors, 3 game screens, blender in one, audio editing in another,
and finally, a screen left for anything else I may load.
All those programs are instanly accessable and ready to work at all times....Multitasked beautifully.
5) Customization - You can make your computer look and work anyway you like. AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS have less options for sure.
6) Variety of applications...and games - Linux can run linux,apple, ,older mac,windows, DOS, amiga, c64, atari st,and many many more applications and games. Linux opens your computing world to being able to run virtually any computer program ever written (with the right emulation/tweaks and so on) No amiga os past or present allows you to run so many applications or games, period. Linux can run virtually any computer program ever written. No really, amiga OS can't do that.
7) Virtualbox - Run windows 95,98,2000,xp,vista or 7 in a window. No amiga OS can do this. Linux can. Virtualbox also allows beos/haiku and many others to run in a window.
8) Easy to remaster/redistribute... Linux is easier to remaster, make a custom spin or redistribution than any amiga os past or present.
9) Your desktop mobile... Linux is easier to install to usb flash drives so you can take your whole computer with you everywhere you go, and you can load that on just about ANY host computer you will find with a usb port. No really, again amiga os past or present can't do this.
10) Ubuntu repositories... Ubuntu repositories are massive. They have precompiled and ready to install virtually ANY linux program ever written. These apps all ready to go. In their repos you will find programs to do ANYTHING you will ever need a computer to do. Fast, free, point and click installs of any program you need to do ANYTHING.
I am SURE there are more reasons why commodore USA is right on this move even if amigans won't admit it, but these are the first I thought of.
Say what you want, but the form, functionality, look and feel of what they can possibly deliver smokes any amiga os or varient so far.
It has great potential. Where they take that great potential is what will really decide where they go. Please take a moment to realize the potential before you instantly dismiss this idea.
Talk trash if you want, but watch and see what develops first.
Steven
Thank you.
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What I don't get is why so many people think the rest of us have never tried Linux, when I'd warrant there's hardly anyone here who hasn't at some point.
We've tried Linux, we don't like it as much as AmigaOS for whatever reason, which is why we're here. If we had liked Linux we'd be on linux.org wouldn't we?
Hell, I'm even using it, actively, now, as both Windows and OSX are going in directions I want nothing to do with. I wouldn't say I really like it, it's just the mainstream, up-to-date, well-supported OS that annoys me the least. Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to be using something else with a more coherent, intuitive interface but a similarily broad software selection.
As soon as C=USA does something that actually has anything to do with Amigas, I'll be interested. Until then, I don't honestly see why they're allowed to advertise on this site for free?
Why? Because this is the Amiga community, and that means that anything, anything at all, that makes any kind of pretense of being an Amiga revival is somebody's new Messiah and must be blindly and sycophantically followed, supported, praised, and proselytized at any cost, no matter how annoying it is.
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I can't find one, maybe I should fire up the GIMP and make one.
Do I get bonus points for irony?
Bonus points are only awarded if you actually find a picture of Tux in S&M gear.
All I can offer for the irony is a nickel plated no-prize with twiddly bits. :)
Well, actually I will give you (or anyone else) bonus points for telling me where that comes from (nickel plater no-prize with twiddly bits). Was in an Amiga magazine many years ago I believe, Ive just never been able to find it again since.
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I can't find one, maybe I should fire up the GIMP and make one.
Do I get bonus points for irony?
Sounds like you know a little too much about S&M!
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Ah, I didnt make the connection between GIMP and S&M.
I took the irony reference to be about a dislike of Linux, but still using GIMP.
Perhaps its *you* that knows a little too much about S&M? :P
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Suresure. I think what it is is all Amiga users are pervs.
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I'm getting sick of any new product released that is aimed at Amiga users having all this count down to release bull**** going on. A-EON and the X-1000, ACube and the X-500 and now Commodore USA. It's wearing thin.
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I use a 12 sided cube myself.
I tried using the cube with 4 or 5 sides
:laughing:
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Bending the rules of reality!!!
I use a 20 sided cube!!!
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I'm still waiting for Barry to say that famous line, "It's better than OS X!".
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CUSA. I can take them or leave them, mostly I like how they irritate certain people in the OS4 community. But wow, for somebody to feel so threatened by CUSA that they put the domain into the site censor list is really pathetic. Seriously, this is one of the saddest things I've ever seen on any site, ever.
Joke has now been reversed.
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Bending the rules of reality!!!
I use a 20 sided cube!!!
Most people don't realise that the cube is 3 dimensional and not just left and right? I can't imagine using 20 sides of a cube in 3D!
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Most people don't realise that the cube is 3 dimensional and not just left and right? I can't imagine using 20 sides of a cube in 3D!
I probably should have said Icosahedron. :lol:
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Thank you.
Still taking credit for other peoples work. Disappointing...
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I love how the "included software" that the page makes to sound like a painstakingly assembled productivity suite is pretty much all right from the repository. I'm sure no expense was spared in making sure the check boxes in Synaptic were really clicked.
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Oh it must have taken them ages to build the script that will automate it. Someone over on their forum did bring up a good point about where the updates will be coming from.
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/9444-commodore-os-vision-final-teaser-video-now-live-?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#9491
I imagine they would be coming from Conical or Mint repro's. I can't see CUSA doing it. Because lets face it they are offering no other support other than the forum community and a link to the Mint forums.
http://commodore.net/support
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It should be fun to see the OS experience develop and improve in front of your eyes.
This may be the funniest attempt at being "diplomatic" I've heard. "Yeah, we couldn't be bothered to put together a non-default icon set for release, despite the fact that Commodore-ish theming is quite literally our only selling point, but hey! Won't it be fun to watch us catch up after the fact?"
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Oh it must have taken them ages to build the script that will automate it. Someone over on their forum did bring up a good point about where the updates will be coming from.
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/9444-commodore-os-vision-final-teaser-video-now-live-?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#9491
I imagine they would be coming from Conical or Mint repro's. I can't see CUSA doing it. Because lets face it they are offering no other support other than the forum community and a link to the Mint forums.
http://commodore.net/support
I guess it'd be tacky to bring up that "24/7 support" was promised over and over.
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I guess it'd be tacky to bring up that "24/7 support" was promised over and over.
What do you mean? Of course there's 24/7 support! You can post on the Mint forums any time, day or night!
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This is making me very very sleepy, did anything come out?
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This is making me very very sleepy, did anything come out?
Yes.
This (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=34580&forum=17&start=220&viewmode=flat&order=0#638214)
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Well it seems that it has been released. However it appears that only the first ISO out of the promised two is actually available so far. People are starting to seed it across torrents and CUSA are asking that people increase their upload limits to allow others to get it quicker. I doubt we will see any kind of imformative "review" except for the usual bunch of shotgun reviews you often get with the fanatical types.
C-A.org seems to be having a spike in guests but the same 13 members seem to be lurking there all day.
Obviously the release was delayed for some reason, I pretty much assume the line about last minuet bugs was more a case of smoke and mirrors because of certain ceremonies that went on today.
Thats pretty much it though. To say they have been banging on about this OS for a while it's entered the world to very little fanfair.
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Well it seems that it has been released. However it appears that only the first ISO out of the promised two is actually available so far. People are starting to seed it across torrents and CUSA are asking that people increase their upload limits to allow others to get it quicker. I doubt we will see any kind of imformative "review" except for the usual bunch of shotgun reviews you often get with the fanatical types.
C-A.org seems to be having a spike in guests but the same 13 members seem to be lurking there all day.
bviously the release was delayed for some reason, I pretty much assume the line about last minuet bugs was more a case of smoke and mirrors because of certain ceremonies that went on today.
Thats pretty much it though. To say they have been banging on about this OS for a while it's entered the world to very little fanfair.
I noticed the same thing about Amiga.org. There seems to be about 1/3 extra users online than usual lately. I'm guessing it's because of CUSA?
Crit are you going to download it and give us a very subjective review? I need a good laugh right now... :hammer:
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Why download it? I have Ubuntu running on my machine and also have Linux Mint on a live DVD. I think I whip up a review for it in no time :)
in fact here is a taster.
Bottom line it's no different to any other distro. It tries to be flashy but holds no real substance. Which is odd considering how bloated it is.
BTW Kesa I love your avatar image. It pretty much sums up my mood here at work.
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BTW Kesa I love your avatar image. It pretty much sums up my mood here at work.
Thanks. Piru gave to me. Piru and i have a real strong connection. The guy just understands me... :)
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There has been a few times where I have looked at someone and thought "are you doing it to wind people up or you really that stupid".
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You can see the OS in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y94Khr_bqNs&feature=player_embedded#!
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They are using compiz and the emerald window editor thing. That's how the visual effects are been performed. To be honest I am not a fan but hey oh.
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Am I right to assume this uses the bog standard mint repo's ?
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Without downloading I couldn't be sure. However I wouldn't think they would go through the hassle of setting up their own repository.
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Damn, that looked quite impressive! Why the **** doesn't my Linux look that good?! :confused:
I hate corporate advertising :madashell:
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To say OSX is based on BSD is not the entire truth. OSX was derived from NeXTSTEP. NeXTSTEP was based on the mach kernel and some BSD source code.
The mach kernel was developed and eventually replaced the kernel in BSD. The mach kernel is at the heart of OSX, however it's not a true mach microkernel, but uses the XNU operating system kernel. The kernel from XNU is not a microkernel.
The old NeXSTEP/OPENSTEP screen shots remind me so much of AmigaOS.
BSD, is a form of Unix, use to be called Berkeley Unix. (Berkeley Software Distribution).
Unix does not equal Linux. Linux is Unix like but it's kernel is not derived from Unix.
Commodore OS..... is just linux with some tweaking. Is it a new OS like they have been stating? Ahh... no. It's a linux distribution.
Maybe if they built it from the kernel up it could be touted as a new OS, but to me this is just false advertising.
Anyway good luck with their product, I guess they actually have something out there that can be bought.
Update - Actually only the video footage is touting it as a new OS, the blurb on their site does mention it's a linux distribution, quote - "Commodore OS is a community driven Linux distribution for Commodore enthusiasts".
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Was going to download it but the torrents are terrible ;)
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If you're going to quote adsense you might want to know how it works. It's actually based on your location/search history. ;) So what exactly were you looking for?
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Looks like 3 days to download...
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Looks like 3 days to download...
is a torrent Persia! do you know how Torrent works?
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Healthy torrents (stuff people want) generally download pretty quickly due to the number of peers participating (and hopefully seeding afterwards.) Junk torrents don't get much activity and thus take longer to download.
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So, do we see 1 seeder and 250,000 leechers?
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about what ia happening just now! :-)
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My current status
Disk 1
DL: 3.8 GB (93.47%)
UL: 505 MB
Ratio: 0.13
Disk 2
DL: 754.9 MB (20.9%)
UL: 71.2 MB
Ratio: 0.09
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Thought it was gonna leech it for fun, but when you reach 93% they cap your d/l speed to a few kb a second (i was leeching with 2mbit and uploading with the same)... how nice :-).
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Not this sheet again?!
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Final Stats from Disk 1
DL: 4.05 GB
UL: 573.4 MB
Ratio: 0.14
Time 20 H 36 M 13 S
Now for Disk 2....
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Why is the file so big? My Ubuntu was only 700mb.
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Its because it is full of magic and fairy dust. Can't you see the ISO glisten with wonderous energies :D
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Oh god i feel another bout of Robot Unicorn Attack coming on! :eek:
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Why is the file so big? My Ubuntu was only 700mb.
Ah, but this contains nearly 4GB of wallpaper!
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So what happened to disk 2??????????
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Read this:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/8-commodore-os-howto-and-help/9542-commodore-os-vision-disc-2-now-available-for-download#9597
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Heck, I'll throw it in a virtualbox for funsies.
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Hi!
Just dropped in to say downloaded the first disc yesterday and it took 6 hrs and have just finished d/l the second disc and it took just 17 minutes using Linux Mint and Transmission!!
As the late Sir Jimmy Savile would have said, "Ows about that then, guys and gals?!"
I'll try burning it and see what occurs.
Gooze
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It's Linux mint with a few adjustments.
Big deal!
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Just comparing the d/l speed between yesterday and today. No need to go all huffy!
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Not being huffy, just saying that it's Linux Mint. There is no COS, it doesn't exist.
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Just comparing the d/l speed between yesterday and today. No need to go all huffy!
Don't mind thedaddy his mangina hurts. :)
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Not being huffy, just saying that it's Linux Mint. There is no COS, it doesn't exist.
I gave it a download (disc 1) and ran it from the live CD, and yeah that's exactly what it is. It's Linux mint with a CUSA wallpaper and a blue Gnome theme with the chickenhead logo plonked in various locations, and err.. that's it.
They didn't even change the bootscreen, after you select the boot you get the Linux Mint boot logo.
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Don't mind thedaddy his mangina hurts. :)
Oh really?
Can't face the FACTS?
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Oh really?
Can't face the FACTS?
What facts? The ones that were already known?
Do you say there is no Ubuntu it's just Debian?
Wait how about there is no Debian it's just Linux + GNU with wallpapers and utilities!!!
Get over it.
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What facts? The ones that were already known?
Do you say there is no Ubuntu it's just Debian?
Wait how about there is no Debian it's just Linux + GNU with wallpapers and utilities!!!
Get over it.
Nah...just saying that it has nothing to do with Commodore or Amiga. I don't give a flying fock about Linux. There is no such OS as Commodore OS. It's a Linux distro with some make up.
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video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFvtsIASCug&feature=player_embedded
teaser:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS_Teaser.aspx
details:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS_Vision.aspx
date/time:
11.11.11 @ 11:11:11 GMT
Flame me if you want, but I'm a Cusa fan. I'm most likely going to buy a Vic model. I have
just sent CUSA an email asking about the VicPlus and Pro model. I hope I get a reply sometime next week.
:)
Rich
ny
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Why flame you.... It's your decision at the end of the day. If it makes you happy then go for it.
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It's Linux mint with a few adjustments.
Big deal!
So what have you done lately?
Rich
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Seems to be mint with a bunch of software installed. Not a big fan of gnome myself, I prefer KDE, and I prefer to chose my own software, but who knows with a bit of work it could be a good way to introduce folks to Linux.
Linux's big fail is that it has never appealed to non-Geeks. When there was a move to Linux in net books there were numerous articles about people confused and discouraged by Linux. There was even an article about someone wanting to drop out of tertiary education in the US because she got Linux instead of MS Windows.
Linux's big success has been Android, which has acquired a dominant position in smartphones and a second place in tablets.
As for computers in a keyboard, I think they made sense in the days before laptops but their time is largely passed. They are a novelty item in 2012, nothing more.
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I am surprised no one else has picked up on this but doesn't it look familiar?
(http://i.imgur.com/YKi2cl.jpg)
Maybe a little like this
(http://images.appleinsider.com/leopard-launch-gal-1.png)
Just saying :rolleyes:
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Linux's big fail is that it has never appealed to non-Geeks. When there was a move to Linux in net books there were numerous articles about people confused and discouraged by Linux. There was even an article about someone wanting to drop out of tertiary education in the US because she got Linux instead of MS Windows.
Hell, I'm a geek myself, and I still can't get into it (just wrote a couple of blog entries on the subject.) So much of the software has such poor UI...and that includes some major, big-name programs like the GIMP. I can put up with learning a few quirks of an unfamiliar system, but I'm not going to keep wasting my time messing around trying to work with software that's really just badly designed.
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Is it possible the source is MacBuntu instead of Mint? That sure looks like MacBuntu...
(http://a0.img.mobypicture.com/34f487ae8f8dd45531fa927c03de2d38_view.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5gPPKccf6sk/TlERsoG5w_I/AAAAAAAAAoE/ncMQgYAFw0E/s200/mac-ubuntu-1104.jpg)
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Is it possible the source is MacBuntu instead of Mint? That sure looks like MacBuntu...
(http://a0.img.mobypicture.com/34f487ae8f8dd45531fa927c03de2d38_view.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5gPPKccf6sk/TlERsoG5w_I/AAAAAAAAAoE/ncMQgYAFw0E/s200/mac-ubuntu-1104.jpg)
Thats awesome. If you didn't notice the icon issues you would almost swear thats OSX :roflmao:
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Seems to be mint with a bunch of software installed. Not a big fan of gnome myself, I prefer KDE, and I prefer to chose my own software, but who knows with a bit of work it could be a good way to introduce folks to Linux.
Linux's big fail is that it has never appealed to non-Geeks. When there was a move to Linux in net books there were numerous articles about people confused and discouraged by Linux. There was even an article about someone wanting to drop out of tertiary education in the US because she got Linux instead of MS Windows.
Dell stated in response to the MS campaign that they saw the same percentage of returns on netbooks whether they ran linux or windows.
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Okay, to clarify some things, I know others have said things about it running Ubuntu or Mint. Well, actually being a Linux Guru myself I can pretty much instantly tell (especially on a Debian based distribution) what the core 'base' is.
The core base is Mint. I'm not sure if Mint also has all the Ubuntu repositories enabled, or they mirror from their own. But the Commodore OS has both enabled (that can certainly cause issues!)
It has the Maverick Meerkat repositories (version 10.10, which means all of it is at least a year old).
There are also the medibuntu stuff (for googlemaps, win32 codecs, etc. The things that aren't enabled by default in normal ubuntu due to not having US friendly distribution licenses.)
There is a 'deb http://www.commodoreusa.net/comodoreos stable/' replository. I am guessing wallpapers, themes, etc in here. They also added some Karmic repositories, the ones from getdeb, etc. Along with a ton of different launchpad pages. Those are for the newer versions of packages that haven't quite filtered down to the distribution release level.
From what I can tell (this is from the beta 6, I didn't see a non-beta ISO yet..) this is going to be one hell of a bitch to maintain stability on.
Again, this is coming from someone who was using Linux long before it was remotely usable by the general public (some may argue it still isn't).
The only really 'cool' thing I've seen so far on this, is the terminal is a C64 flashback. The theme is WAY too blue! I think they would have been better off using this; http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Amiga+Bluetabs?content=119444
I would have thought they would tweak amiwm, or something. At least make the interface more 'amiga-like' than this very smurfy Gnome theme.
At least they included Virtualbox. But I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of including both UAE and E-UAE (but not PUAE) on the liveCD.
They also have an option to install Amiga Forever. You click on it and it says "The Amiga Forever package by Cloanto is a Windows product." WTF?
I figure I'll play around with it on a kvm virtual machine, laugh a bit, then make a Debian based one :D.
slaapliedje
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That sounds like a lot of stuff to keep up with. It's a wonder why it hasn't imploded yet.
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I would have thought they would tweak amiwm, or something. At least make the interface more 'amiga-like' than this very smurfy Gnome theme.
Ha ha, no. Tweaking amiwm would be work.
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They also have an option to install Amiga Forever. You click on it and it says "The Amiga Forever package by Cloanto is a Windows product." WTF?
Somebody mentioned the same thing on AW (that they offer to install Amiga Forever), can you clarify what exactly that includes? Apparently, the ROMs are not included, I'm just wondering if they're only abusing Cloanto's registered trademark or also distributing parts of the Amiga Forever distribution.
(the above assumes that they do not really own a license from Cloanto. Yes, I'm being harsh, let's just say I have a hunch).
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I am surprised no one else has picked up on this but doesn't it look familiar?
(http://i.imgur.com/YKi2cl.jpg)
Maybe a little like this
(http://images.appleinsider.com/leopard-launch-gal-1.png)
Just saying :rolleyes:
Gnome in general is becoming more "Mac like" with every new release, Gnome 3 in particular. This is not a design of "Commodore OS", it's just the way Gnome with a dock (looks like Cairo Dock or Docky) installed looks. Literally all they have done is change the wallpaper and tweak a dark blue theme.
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Is it possible the source is MacBuntu instead of Mint? That sure looks like MacBuntu...
[IMG]
No, it's Mint, you get the Mint logo on boot and the About section reveals it too, some installs also seem to have the Mint icon in the dock rather than the C=.
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The blue theme gets old quick. It's absolutely abhorrent on the eyes. Tried it, blanked the disc already.
Tron OS gone sideways. I got very little old school feel out of any of it and found it unpolished, but to be fair I'm not their target market. But they did ship, so good on 'em.
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Somebody mentioned the same thing on AW (that they offer to install Amiga Forever), can you clarify what exactly that includes? Apparently, the ROMs are not included, I'm just wondering if they're only abusing Cloanto's registered trademark or also distributing parts of the Amiga Forever distribution.
(the above assumes that they do not really own a license from Cloanto. Yes, I'm being harsh, let's just say I have a hunch).
It asks you to put in the Amiga Forever CD. I'm guessing it's asking for a newer version than what I have (2008) because it errors out on trying to copy a bunch of games over. It does copy the roms from it.
Oh it's horrible, since I have it installed in a VM, almost all of the dialogs are too large for it to be even remotely usable on a lower resolution.
It also comes with NO additional themes. It does have some cool (Commodore branded) wallpapers. Maybe I will snag a few and put on my real A4000 :D.
slaapliedje
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Ha ha, no. Tweaking amiwm would be work.
Too bad, since a more polished amiwm would have been excellent.
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Too bad, since a more polished amiwm would have been excellent.
Wouldn't it just? It's beautifully minimalist. But that presumes that one actually cares about something other than fulfilling the ad-copy promises with the absolute minimum of effort.
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AmiWM is open source, someone that can actually code should pick it up and turn it into a good environment that would rule! Always liked the look of it.
slaapliedje
I stand (somewhat) corrected, it is still kind of under development. Latest newsflash.
Newsflash: amiwm0.21pl2 now out! (2010-07-20)
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~marcus/amiwm.html
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Hmmm... I downloaded "Commodore OS" ages ago and it didn't take 6 hours. Musta been the "beta" version. ;) I installed it on my Lenovo SL-510, so I didn't need a C64x or "Amiga" to run it.
So, no "value-add" from CUSA for me...
Now, if they replaced Linux DOS with something not case-sensitive with commands readable as English and a directory structure that made sense, threw in some datatypes and all the other goodies that made Amiga so enjoyable, there might actually be a "value-add" in there for me.
But we all know that AIN'T gonna happen. :)
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@digitex
What about COS2, will it still be something other than Linux and is there any time scale for the arrival of that?
Cheers
Waiting for Barry The Messiah (At AW.net dubbed Baron Vladimir Harkonnen) to decide what OS they gonna rip next time. Sorry, base CommodoreOS on
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Waiting for Barry The Messiah (At AW.net dubbed Baron Vladimir Harkonnen) to decide what OS they gonna rip next time. Sorry, base CommodoreOS on
Maybe they can do a KDE based disc next. You know.. "Kommodore Does Everything".
Hey, that's not so bad.. I should write that down before they steal it.
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There are also the medibuntu stuff (for googlemaps, win32 codecs, etc. The things that aren't enabled by default in normal ubuntu due to not having US friendly distribution licenses.)
What's the betting pool that Barry haven't paid for proper licensing for these things?
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@runequester
I'd check with the license owners just to be sure.