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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: persia on March 03, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
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The iPad two must be great, Apple had two self gradulatory videos in one announcement. And no more one last thing!
Seriously, I'm in full tilt this time, 64Gb, wifi, GSM. Comes out of my App store earnings...
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But it is just as mindbogglingly dumb as the previous model though, and relies on a "real" computer for syncing data. The bluetooth implementation on apple gadgets are incredibly stupid done. Why does apple have to gain that I cannot send data between my ipad and my phone or desktop? Why is there no USB host adapter so I can dump images from my camera directly on to the ipad? No memory card reader? I don't get it. Also total lack of codecs, need to rely on crappy third party media players to play just about anything. And Apple keep removing those from app store as well. Nope, no more iBlarb for me, thanks.
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Something Steve Jobs said yesterday really hit home hard from my Amiga world view:
"This is worth repeating. It's in Apple's DNA that technology is not enough. It's tech married with the liberal arts and the humanities. Nowhere is that more true than in the post-PC products. Our competitors are looking at this like it's the next PC market. That is not the right approach to this. These are post-PC devices that need to be easier to use than a PC, more intuitive."
I have said something like Steve's last line about the Amiga:
"The hardware and software need to intertwine more than they do on a PC. We think we're on the right path with this."
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But it is just as mindbogglingly dumb as the previous model though, and relies on a "real" computer for syncing data. The bluetooth implementation on apple gadgets are incredibly stupid done. Why does apple have to gain that I cannot send data between my ipad and my phone or desktop? Why is there no USB host adapter so I can dump images from my camera directly on to the ipad? No memory card reader? I don't get it. Also total lack of codecs, need to rely on crappy third party media players to play just about anything. And Apple keep removing those from app store as well. Nope, no more iBlarb for me, thanks.
I aggree. I give my thumbs up for any Android tab's anytime....
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@Kolla you are thinking of the iPad like it's a "PC" device... It isn't, the average Joe on the street really doesn't care about all that tech stuff... And that I guess is why iPads sell and other tablets don't!
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It's tech married with the liberal arts and the humanities.
What a load of rubbish. It's married with telling people what they want and need and then marketing it very successfully. I'd have far more respect for the company if they just said it like it is. They have long since surpassed Microsoft's darkest ambitions for completely controlling what their users do (and can do) with their products.
As it stands, if apple were smote from the face of the Earth tomorrow by a vengeful God, I'd not shed a single tear :lol:
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What a load of rubbish. It's married with telling people what they want and need and then marketing it very successfully.
Don't confuse your dislike of their content vendor practices, cloud your view of their very tightly designed hardware and software solution.
I'd have far more respect for the company if they just said it like it is. They have long since surpassed Microsoft's darkest ambitions for completely controlling what their users do (and can do) with their products.
That's harsh, we have plenty of evidence that Microsft were actually guilty of anticompetitive practices... If you don't like Apple, don't buy thir products, there are plenty of other solutions... I would suggest, less elegant solutions ;)
As it stands, if apple were smote from the face of the Earth tomorrow by a vengeful God, I'd not shed a single tear :lol:
Since I'm not aware of any non vengeful Gods, I'm sure you can find one to pray to, who will make this happen for you :)
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I got four ruddy emails from Apple in the past 24 hours about this poxy iPad 2 thingy... :madashell:
When they gonna understand I don't want to buy such a useless piece of crap, despite me telling them so in numerous emails, do the numpties at Apple not understand plain Scottish when I tell them their stuff is overpriced and a total load of keech... :(
Need to send another email again now and ask them to stop trying to sell me junk that I don't want... buggers... :furious:
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@Kolla you are thinking of the iPad like it's a "PC" device... It isn't, the average Joe on the street really doesn't care about all that tech stuff... And that I guess is why iPads sell and other tablets don't!
Apple dropped the "Computer" not only from it´s name. It is not the "PC" as in "IBM compatible" that the iPad is different from - the iPad is no computer. Neither is the iPhone. Of course it´s got all the hardware it would need to be a computer, but the software is as locked down as in a DSLR or other apliance. Sure you can get Apps, but the user is not supposed to do arbitrary calculations, simulations or mathematical research and analysis on that machine. The user is not supposed to run a ray-tracing package or do serious processing. Apple prevents those things without even realizing it.
That´s why this device is appealing to the general public but extremely boring and frustrating for people who like computers.
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That´s why this device is appealing to the general public but extremely boring and frustrating for people who like computers.
Bingo! :) the iPad isn't for boring computer tasks, it's a consumer device... Execpt for people like Motorollin and me who like to program these devices and therefore get the benefit of both sides of the equation ;)
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No USB ports and no memory card slots?
Thanks but no thanks.
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The iPad 2 looks like a nice device. That being said the WiFi on my iPhone 3GS is already flaking out and it's not even two years old.
:(
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No USB ports and no memory card slots?
Thanks but no thanks.
Not sure if it affects your argument, but the iPad camera connection kit is a simple USB adaptor for the 30pin iPod connector... So if you really want USB it's there... :)
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Overpriced piece of crap!
Time for my rant. Everytime i see someone using an Apple product i never look at them the same way again. I use an iphone/imac therefore i am an elitist. Just because someone uses Apple doesn't make them smarter than everyone else. That is all.
Also about the media player. The Apple won't let you use it because they don't own it :)
@bloodline. You are obviously an Apple fanboy. So does Master Steve Gobs own your abused sock or does he use his own? :roflmao:
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Overpriced piece of crap!
The iPad is the cheapest of the tablets... But if you want something like a netbook or a £300 laptop then it is over priced.
Time for my rant. Everytime i see someone using an Apple product i never look at them the same way again. I use an iphone/imac therefore i am an elitist. Just because someone uses Apple doesn't make them smarter than everyone else. That is all.
Have to say, but most people who buy macs do so because they don't care about the hardware/looking smart/etc... They just want something that works... That's why I bought a mac... I don't feel superior or smarter I just don't have to worry about my system doing something weird when I need to rely on it.
Also about the media player. The Apple won't let you use it because they don't own it :)
@bloodline. You are obviously an Apple fanboy. So does Master Steve Gobs own your abused sock or does he own yours? :roflmao:
:) yeah, I'm probably an Apple fanboy, not as much as I am an Amiga fanboy (the platform's been dead for 20 years and I'm still here!)... But really I just like the tight integration of hardware and software... For a few years I made my living using Macs running MacOSX with Apple's Logic Pro... (While selling my work via iTunes!) A complete apple solution which didn't give me any problems (unlike my previous Windows setup)...
I find myself coming to depend on my ability to write Apps for devices like the iPhone and the iPad to make ends meet... Apple make it really really easy for small developers like us to get our software to over 100 million users... So he'll yeah, I'm into that :)
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The iPad two must be great, Apple had two self gradulatory videos in one announcement. And no more one last thing!
Seriously, I'm in full tilt this time, 64Gb, wifi, GSM. Comes out of my App store earnings...
This is awesome! I didn`t buy iPad1, waiting for V2. It has awesome cam, full HD and lots of amazing software. I am buying it the day 1st when it comes out on march the 11th :)
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Hate Ipad, Hate apple the last note worthy Apple was the Apple IIE from then on its a down hill slide into crap followed by more crap. Although i admit they are good in selling crap that over priced to all the sheep in this world.
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Have to say, but most people who buy macs do so because they don't care about the hardware/looking smart/etc... They just want something that works...
I am a university student and i see other students using Apple laptops and iphones and ipads and all i can think of is the word yuppie. Students are supposed to be poor but they can afford flashy Apple stuff? It's like seeing a student driving around in a new BMW. Yuppie!
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Crapple is just about the total opposite of Commodore. Screw the MaxiPad 2 and all their other products.
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I find myself coming to depend on my ability to write Apps for devices like the iPhone and the iPad to make ends meet... Apple make it really really easy for small developers like us to get our software to over 100 million users... So he'll yeah, I'm into that :)
Now this I find very odd...
Here's bloodline quite clearly telling us that he can make some money by writing progs at home for Apple stuff (and well done to him I say)... :)
Yet, on this very forum just a few months back there were lots of the usual suspects trying to tell me that in this day and age it was impossible for anyone to be a "bedroom programmer" these days and you needed lot's of cash, a team and a big software house behind you to do such a thing these days...
Bloodline has just proven that it can still be done, so what do all you naysayers say to that now... (you know who you are...) :p
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I think bloodline was talking about making music and not programming? :)
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Don't confuse your dislike of their content vendor practices, cloud your view of their very tightly designed hardware and software solution.
I'm not. I just don't understand what the iPad is for and I've never seen a compelling argument put forward by anybody as to what problem it solves other than the "I don't already have one" issue. Seeing as how the iPad already fixed that, I'm even more surprised as to what the second one is for.
I'm not opposed to tablet computing per se, but it's not a standalone machine. You can't replace your regular computer with it and it sure as hell isn't as portable as your phone.
That's harsh, we have plenty of evidence that Microsft were actually guilty of anticompetitive practices...
I've never suggested otherwise. However, apple were not above slamming Microsoft for wanting to own your hard-paid-for kit and whatever you decide to put on it, but have long since gone beyond the pale in doing it themselves. When they release "must have" phones that "change everything (again)" that can't even be fitted with an after market battery (other than by handing over your device to an apple service centre for a charge, like a good little acolyte), let alone any form of memory expansion etc you have to wonder.
If you don't like Apple, don't buy thir products, there are plenty of other solutions... I would suggest, less elegant solutions ;)
If by less elegant you mean less rigorously controlled by the vendor, I agree.
Since I'm not aware of any non vengeful Gods, I'm sure you can find one to pray to, who will make this happen for you :)
I'm not that mean. Whilst it wouldn't faze me, I recognise there are people that can't live without their fix of apple hardware and would be devastated by it.
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Bingo! :) the iPad isn't for boring computer tasks, it's a consumer device... Execpt for people like Motorollin and me who like to program these devices and therefore get the benefit of both sides of the equation ;)
@ Kesa
Nope... he clearly said "program"... :)
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bah Apple..HP Palm TouchPad all the way:D
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@ Kesa
Nope... he clearly said "program"... :)
Franko, Pro Logic is a music program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro
OK i can see we looked at different parts of his post so were are both right and wrong. But it still doesn't change anything. You are still a bum sniffer :hammer:
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Franko, Pro Logic is a music program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro
OK i can see we looked at different parts of his post so were are both right and wrong. But it still doesn't change anything. You are still a bum sniffer :hammer:
Pro Logic is a Midi sequencer program ya numptie, it doesn't create a new stand alone program, what the frig do they tech you at uni these days... :lol:
PS: The only bum I can smell round here is the one your heads stuck up... ;)
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But Franko Bloodline is a professional dj. Djs don't actually make music they just use other peoples music and add sound effects and then sell it as a remix.
What do they teach us at uni these days? Well they each us how to spell for a start. Teach is spelt as 'teach' not 'tech' :roflmao:
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Kesa, Franko! You are both right, I used to make music professionally, now I write software... But chance perhaps more than design, Apple products have been key components in these activities. Though I would say that I learned both these trades on the Amiga and still would be using one if I could pay the bill that ways!
@Franko, Apple do dumb stuff down and target the "normal" guy on the street wiu their products, I can't argue against that... But I have to give them credit that I can as a bedroom coder make enough money to make ends meet because their IPhone/iPad app store... And I would encourage and assist anyone here to do the same!
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PS: The only bum I can smell round here is the one your heads stuck up... ;)
That doesn't make sense. If my head was stuck up a bum somewhere how could i make this post? :confused:
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But Franko Bloodline is a professional dj. Djs don't actually make music they just use other peoples music and add sound effects and then sell it as a remix.
Actually I was the synth guy in a vaguely successful Electro-rock band... I've never been asked to DJ as my taste in music is rather avant garde... :)
I've done a fair bit of production work for other bands but no remixes to date...
What do they teach us at uni these days? Well they each us how to spell for a start. Teach is spelt as 'teach' not 'tech' :roflmao:
I studied Chemistry at uni... That was 10 years ago and I would have mocked anyone who used a mac... To be fair Mac's didn't use OSX in those days ;)
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@Franko, Apple do dumb stuff down and target the "normal" guy on the street wiu their products, I can't argue against that... But I have to give them credit that I can as a bedroom coder make enough money to make ends meet because their IPhone/iPad app store... And I would encourage and assist anyone here to do the same!
Hmm... it's nice to know that, perhaps I'll be a little bit less "hostile" to them the next time I email them... :)
While I may not be a big Apple fan, it's does bring a smile to my face knowing that someone can still in this day and age be a "bedroom coder" and things aren't like the doom & gloom naysayers try to have us believe... :)
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Commodore is dead, Amiga is dead, Apple is flying high. This really is more about jealousy than anything else. Apple succeeds by selling the public what it wants to buy, not a netbook mother board stuffed into a 30 year old case, nor a dual core sub 2 GHz computer for 1500 quid, where you can't even use the two core together.
It's an integrated tuned piece of hardware that is easy to program and easy to sell programs for. It supplements your computer, your tv and your other Apple products. It's isn't a PC, it's the ultimate post PC product.
As far as the lockdown, well, try to do anything with Android without rooting it first....
Crapple is just about the total opposite of Commodore. Screw the MaxiPad 2 and all their other products.
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bah Apple..HP Palm TouchPad all the way:D
I'm actually looking forward to this one too! WebOS is rather good, we just have to see if HP screw it up :)
For the record, I have tried the Samsung Galaxy Tab and it was terrible... I wasn't very good at doing much... I don't generally see the need for tablet devices, so it has to be really good at what is does or I would rather use a laptop... The iPad only just gets away with it, and it doe that by being totally unobtrusive... The Galaxy made you aware of it's presence and you had to work against it to get stuff done!
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oh cool our very own washed out one hit wonder :)
Tell me what it was called and i will download it for a listen :)
If you wan't to hear a cool techno/rock band try Def Fx. They are from Sydney in the 90's. They go off live too :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDdWAGP1ie4
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I got four ruddy emails from Apple in the past 24 hours about this poxy iPad 2 thingy... :madashell:
When they gonna understand I don't want to buy such a useless piece of crap, despite me telling them so in numerous emails, do the numpties at Apple not understand plain Scottish when I tell them their stuff is overpriced and a total load of keech... :(
Need to send another email again now and ask them to stop trying to sell me junk that I don't want... buggers... :furious:
At least Tom Tom know some Scottish.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/english_bas/
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Those who do not own a tablet will have their opinion of them. Those who are "geeks" apparently will be convinced Android is better.
Tell me what computer will fit on a music stand of a music keyboard and store every piece of sheet music / chord charts / lyrics / set lists a muso may have and not look stupid. OnSong + iPad becomes the perfect songbook for live stage use.
Have you seen the Alesis StudioDock and AKAI SynthStation 49. These are iPad specific hardware units designed to increase functionality of the iPad for musos. In these two units alone combined with GarageBand for iPad you have a portable studio/synth setup that you couldn't get for that money in the past.
Sometimes I wish people looked past the fact that tablets aren't simply for doing computer stuff and realise that they are used for so many other things that neither a desktop nor laptop nor phone will do.
PS: I have a first generation iPad 16GB Wifi for sale! :) (Yes, I am getting an iPad 2)
PPS: Accelerometer being used for touch sensitivity on the software instruments is pure genius and I hadn't seen that used ANYWHERE else. Apple do think about some things others simply do not.
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http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/index.html?country=gb&lang=en
Worth a look also.
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http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/index.html?country=gb&lang=en
Worth a look also.
They say they are the thinnest though not anymore!
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Sometimes I wish people looked past the fact that tablets aren't simply for doing computer stuff and realise that they are used for so many other things that neither a desktop nor laptop nor phone will do.
Please, feel free to enlighten me. What is it that a pad does that neither a notebook nor a good smartphone will do?
As far as I can see, the iPad, for example, is simply a physically larger version of the iPod touch. I would have said the iPhone, but as it's not actually a phone, I didn't.
It's just too big to be genuinely portable (I see people with regular seats struggling with then on the train every morning without fail, only those at table seats have a comfortable experience) in the way a phone is, and just too isolated/unexpandable to be a replacement for a notebook.
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Please, feel free to enlighten me. What is it that a pad does that neither a notebook nor a good smartphone will do?
As far as I can see, the iPad, for example, is simply a physically larger version of the iPod touch. I would have said the iPhone, but as it's not actually a phone, I didn't.
It's just too big to be genuinely portable (I see people with regular seats struggling with then on the train every morning without fail, only those at table seats have a comfortable experience) in the way a phone is, and just too isolated/unexpandable to be a replacement for a notebook.
I mentioned using it for on stage use as a song book.
It isn't about whether other devices can or can't do it, it is whether one would use it for that. I wouldn't use a phone for sheet music use as it is too small. Laptop's do not fit on the music stand and desktops belong at home.
I am not saying that a tablet isn't simply a bigger smart phone. The fact that it is bigger opens it up to more uses.
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Please, feel free to enlighten me. What is it that a pad does that neither a notebook nor a good smartphone will do?
As far as I can see, the iPad, for example, is simply a physically larger version of the iPod touch. I would have said the iPhone, but as it's not actually a phone, I didn't.
It's just too big to be genuinely portable (I see people with regular seats struggling with then on the train every morning without fail, only those at table seats have a comfortable experience) in the way a phone is, and just too isolated/unexpandable to be a replacement for a notebook.
Another use that I use my iPad for is as a controller for Logic Studio. That allows me to control my DAW from where I am recording, not from where my computer is. I don't even have to see my computer to do that. I am sure a computer would do that but you wouldn't want to move a computer around the studio for that purpose. A phone is simply too small to do that.
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At least Tom Tom know some Scottish.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/english_bas/
:lol:
I think I'll send Tom Tom a wee email and see if they really can understand Scottish... :)
Hullo rer Tam Tam, howz it gawn ya bas.
Ah jist wanted tae write ris wee email tae ye tae tell ye a hink yur wee gizmos are a load o jobbies, no rat ah'v evur evun tried em, cos a dinnae even huv a motor but a jist fote rat ah wid hiv a good greet aboot rem anywiez cos ah'm jist a door faced auld git who like nuthin bettur ran a guid auld moan... :)
awe ra best
Franko
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oh cool our very own washed out one hit wonder :)
Hahaha, almost... Except we never really had a "hit" :lol:
Tell me what it was called and i will download it for a listen :)
[YouTube]fXxmmakxJNQ[/YouTube]
[youtube]BIFwlkV6ANk[/YouTube]
there is plenty of stuff on YouTube and iTunes if you are interested :)
If you wan't to hear a cool techno/rock band try Def Fx. They are from Sydney in the 90's. They go off live too :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDdWAGP1ie4
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Some links for interesting things the iPad does
Hardware controller for the iPad turning it into a fully fledged synth
http://www.akaipro.com/synthstation49
Dock turning the iPad into a fully fledged recording studio
https://www.alesis.com/iodock
Example of using a clip to attach the iPad to a mic stand for stage use
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/review/iklip_clip_your_ipad_to_your_mic_stand/
Guitar effects unit on the iPad
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/amplitubeipad/features/
OnSong app allowing storage of sheet music even with option of foot controller to turn page
http://www.onsongapp.com/features/
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Sorry Bloodline my adblockerplus is blocking it out. What is the name of your band? Simple text will do fine. Cheers :)
p.s. The singer in Def Fx looks like Cammy :)
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Actually I just misused the YouTube tag, it's fixed now, scroll to the post and see... But you can search "tan hauser gate" to find our stuff :)
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@ Kesa
If your ruddy signature gets any longer it's gonna need it's own website... ;)
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@ Kesa
If your ruddy signature gets any longer it's gonna need it's own website... ;)
Really? i was thinking maybe it was a wee bit short? That's it i'm making it bigger!
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Tell me what computer will fit on a music stand of a music keyboard and store every piece of sheet music / chord charts / lyrics / set lists a muso may have and not look stupid. OnSong + iPad becomes the perfect songbook for live stage use.
It's a good point, and there's an opening there for something like that. However you won't see too many professional musicians using them for displaying their scores - the shiny screen makes the risk of glare too great. Now, an iPad-alike and sized device with an e-ink screen would be the business...
/me runs out to patent that idea.
Interestingly, on a recent holiday in Portugal I was impressed in one restaurant to have the winelist handed to me on an iPad. Fantastic idea! just swipe through them to browse, or sort by region, grape, price etc., read about the winery and other details you don't get from the traditional paper ones...
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@Bloodline i'm impressed. Can't believe you never had a hit. Were you in the video? Maybe the person in your avatar? I intend to listen more in the near future. Plus added your band on facebook. Cheers.
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It's a good point, and there's an opening there for something like that. However you won't see too many professional musicians using them for displaying their scores - the shiny screen makes the risk of glare too great. Now, an iPad-alike and sized device with an e-ink screen would be the business...
/me runs out to patent that idea.
Interestingly, on a recent holiday in Portugal I was impressed in one restaurant to have the winelist handed to me on an iPad. Fantastic idea! just swipe through them to browse, or sort by region, grape, price etc., read about the winery and other details you don't get from the traditional paper ones...
I disagree with your comment about glare. 99% of the time the issue is not glare, the issue is playing in a club where there is almost no lighting whatsoever. The fact the iPad is backlight is actually a GOOD thing. I can also see the buttons on the keyboard to help change sounds, etc.
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@Bloodline i'm impressed. Can't believe you never had a hit. Were you in the video? Maybe the person in your avatar? I intend to listen more in the near future. Plus added your band on facebook. Cheers.
Yup that's the real bloodline in his avatar, didn't you spot him in the video, the hairs a dead giveaway... :)
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I think XDelusion's signature speaks for itself here.
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I disagree with your comment about glare. 99% of the time the issue is not glare, the issue is playing in a club where there is almost no lighting whatsoever. The fact the iPad is backlight is actually a GOOD thing. I can also see the buttons on the keyboard to help change sounds, etc.
Fair enough, different musicians and situations :) I'm talking from the perspective of some classical pianists I know who can't even have their music in plastic covers because of glare. They'll usually be playing on a stage with spotlights focussed on them. The girlfriend says the same, although she's an opera singer and so more often than not she wouldn't have the score in front of her, but when she does it's off with the plastic covers again and no hope of using a shiny screen.
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Fair enough, different musicians and situations :) I'm talking from the perspective of some classical pianists I know who can't even have their music in plastic covers because of glare. They'll usually be playing on a stage with spotlights focussed on them. The girlfriend says the same, although she's an opera singer and so more often than not she wouldn't have the score in front of her, but when she does it's off with the plastic covers again and no hope of using a shiny screen.
Horses for courses, of course :)
The settings available allow for rather high contrast and I am yet to run into problem though there may be times when that isn't the case. It is definitely taking off as a music device, though.
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Yup that's the real bloodline in his avatar, didn't you spot him in the video, the hairs a dead giveaway... :)
Yep i admit i have been wondering for quite a while about his avatar. Action avatars are the best kind not fake ones like Karlos uses. All i have to do is figure out how to take a photo of myself screaming through a tube on my surfboard and i'm laughing :cool:
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What a load of rubbish. It's married with telling people what they want and need and then marketing it very successfully. I'd have far more respect for the company if they just said it like it is. They have long since surpassed Microsoft's darkest ambitions for completely controlling what their users do (and can do) with their products.
As it stands, if apple were smote from the face of the Earth tomorrow by a vengeful God, I'd not shed a single tear :lol:
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The only part of thios post I cant agree on is in regards to shedding a tear. I'd shed many such would be my delight.
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I'll wait to see what the Android manufacturers pull off.
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Actually I was the synth guy in a vaguely successful Electro-rock band... I've never been asked to DJ as my taste in music is rather avant garde... :)
I couldn't get enough of that electro-synth stuff at the time..
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I'll wait to see what the Android manufacturers pull off.
Prevert! ;)
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The iPad is a tremendously fun and useful device once you get past the idea it was never intended to be a replacement for a full fledged PC. They are merely appliances, really - the limitations of ANY (Apple or any other OS variety other than a desktop OS) tablet are extremely visible.
For what they do, they do the task very well. I am extremely happy with my iPhone and I'll be ordering an iPad as soon as pre-orders go live. I imagine I will get a great amount of use out of it business wise for paperwork on the go, since I don't really need the full functionality of a laptop in my day to day needs list.
I've never seen a person yet that's tried the iPad rev. 1 that didn't say that it was a neat concept and most stated that they could see the appeal, even if it wasn't what suited their needs.
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iPad=content consumption device, not content creation device.
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That's harsh, we have plenty of evidence that Microsft were actually guilty of anticompetitive practices... If you don't like Apple, don't buy thir products, there are plenty of other solutions... I would suggest, less elegant solutions
Just like there is anticompetitive practices of Apple... What do you think ? There's no magic. And Apple is no different. Amiga wouldn't be different either if they were still alive.
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@Bloodline i'm impressed. Can't believe you never had a hit.
You would be surprised how much politics there is in the music industry, if I could do it again I wouldn't sign with a record company again. You only really need them to get your record into bricks and mortar shops, and in theory they invest in you... but you would be better off building your own business plan, hiring your own PR agency and then releasing via iTunes. I could type for hours about what I learned :)
I'm not making music at this time, software development pays the bills for the time being...
Were you in the video? Maybe the person in your avatar? I intend to listen more in the near future. Plus added your band on facebook. Cheers.
That's me in my Avatar, let me know if there are any songs you particularly like. It's great to get feedback ;)
@thread - that's basically it, the iPad is a content consumption device... The iPad 2 is going blur that a bit.
If anyone is interested, Apple demoed iMove and Garage Band at the keynote (both pieces of software only cost $4.99!?!?!)... And both look extremely good editing tools, they are far beyond the normal consumer level application I've seen before... And while I couldn't produce a song on it, I could easily write a song and put together a demo, which can be exported to Logic and then finished. That's actually something of a killer app for me :-o
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Just like there is anticompetitive practices of Apple... What do you think ? There's no magic. And Apple is no different. Amiga wouldn't be different either if they were still alive.
Ok, I'll bite. Can you list the anticompetitive practices, that Apple have been guilty of?
Microsoft, for example, threatened OEM PC manufacturers that if they tried to sell their system with a nonwindows OS, MS would stop selling them Windows licences... That's anticompetitive... There are plenty of other examples...
But there are loads of alternatives to Apple products, if you want to live an Apple free life you can and it's easy... Trying to live a Windows free life is almost impossible... I have a windows machine here for a few bits of software/games... And most employers will force you to use a Windows machine... Apple's strong Market position is driven by consumer demand (Apple using clever marketing and clearly defined Market segments to make things easy for the average consumer).
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@bloodline
Didn't you know? Apple has been allowing those Puny Humans to be destroyed and even profiting from it!
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@bloodline
Didn't you know? Apple has been allowing those Puny Humans to be destroyed and even profiting from it!
:lol: evil... Yes... ;)
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if you want to live an Apple free life you can and it's easy... Trying to live a Windows free life is almost impossible...
As you know bloodline, I only went online for the first time last June and owned nothing but Amigas up until then when I bought these old iMacs... :)
While as you probably know I'm not Apples biggest fan had it been a PC running windows I'd been offered at the time then I would never have bought it or ever ventured into the world of the internet... :)
Living life without a PC or Mac is not impossible (I know you said almost) it's quite simply a matter of choice, I could easily go back to just my Amigas anytime but I do accept that for most it would be very difficult to do so but impossible... no... :)
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Mac OS should be a real OS choice, but because it is tied to Mac hardware you don't have that as a choice.
I stay well clear of proprietary hardware. I was considering the Samsung 7inch tablet, it has a proprietary connector as well as USB 2.
If you want my business put your apps on Android as well.
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@ Franko
I'm running Kubuntu and I would say that the KDE desktop is inspired by Mac OS and Amiga OS. It took me thirty minutes to familiarise myself with the interface. Compared to Gnome desktop which must have been inspired by Frankenstein.
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I think apple should have a tag line like
"iPad2 everything the iPad1 should off been."
My 2 cents on the whole iPad thing, Firstly I think what apple have done is pretty impressive and it is what a tablet should of been, before they tried to be a complete PC, but just failed, they needed their own custom built OS and apps and finally iPad has shown the industry to wake up and develop programs that are designed for touch interface. But it their stupid lock down I hate not just on software but hardware, why have they not got sd card slot or hdmi connection, why do I need to pay £30 to get a hdmi connection, why cant I replace the battery for maybe a better one or when the battery final dies why does it cost £80 to replace, why does a so call internet central device not support flash, (i know a lot of people have no love for flash on here, but I do and it is part of the web weather you like it or not). why, why, why.
So I say thanks to apple for creating this market but no thanks to its all control, I more interested in the Blackberry Playbook, rumor is it will not only support it own qnx OS, but also android 3. Very tempting.
But one last thing...any one remember why the iPad came about. It was because of the Netbook hit, I think Asus and it first eee netbook get over looked for what it tried to do, create a lowest possible cost portable computer as they could, that vision of low cost computing so that anyone could get one seems to have all but disappeared which is a shame really, I'm typing this one my AspireOne and it really given me a great little computer to play on, it plays full screen flash fine and I can do and run what I want on linux and of course I can run Aros, and its a shame that not more simple apps and programs where developed for these kind of devices and the vision of low cost computing isent still the main objective for these companies.
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But there are loads of alternatives to Apple products, if you want to live an Apple free life you can and it's easy... Trying to live a Windows free life is almost impossible... I have a windows machine here for a few bits of software/games... And most employers will force you to use a Windows machine... Apple's strong Market position is driven by consumer demand (Apple using clever marketing and clearly defined Market segments to make things easy for the average consumer).
Agreed. You could easily live without any Apple product in your life if you choose so. Avoiding Windows is practically impossible.
I love the way things *just work* on Apple products. I love the design of the hardware AND the software and the way they work together. I love the way that *thought* has gone into the actual use of the product instead of just throwing some hardware components together, slapping an OS on top of it and shoving it inside a box.
As far as the iPad specifically is concerned, I think it's a brilliant product. I use it for casual surfing on the couch, I use it for my daily fix of comic book reading before I go to sleep, I'll often watch the latest news broadcast while eating breakfast in the kitchen, or just stream it wirelessly to my TV with AirPlay. I also have access to my enormous Plex library when I'm away from home, which is nice. "But you can do that with a laptop too!! And you have way more codecs and freedom to.." Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz). Yes, I know. Of course you could do most of those things with a laptop, yes, or even a desktop for that matter, but that's missing the point! I don't *need* to carry around a laptop to do those things and I don't *want* to carry a laptop around. A laptop is too clunky to carry around in the way that I can carry an iPad. The iPad's battery just keeps going hours and hours longer than any laptop I've used. It's instantly on whenever I want to look something up quickly. And I've tried reading comic books on a laptop in bed. It sucked. :)
People need to realize that the iPad is not meant to be a replacement for a computer ("Ooh, if it doesn't have 8 USB ports, 4 SD slots, E-SATA, HDMI, Toslink and microUSB ports, then I don't want it"). That's why tablets failed miserably in the market place for almost 10 years before the iPad arrived. Tablet makers just saw them as another PC.
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...but you would be better off building your own business plan, hiring your own PR agency and then releasing via iTunes. I could type for hours about what I learned :)
I'm not making music at this time, software development pays the bills for the time being...
That's me in my Avatar, let me know if there are any songs you particularly like. It's great to get feedback ;)
If anyone is interested, Apple demoed iMove and Garage Band at the keynote (both pieces of software only cost $4.99!?!?!)... And both look extremely good editing tools, they are far beyond the normal consumer level application I've seen before... And while I couldn't produce a song on it, I could easily write a song and put together a demo, which can be exported to Logic and then finished. That's actually something of a killer app for me :-o
I like your music. Strange that you aren't well known world star, your music is very good! :)
Anyway, have you tried to release via Tunecore? http://www.tunecore.com/
I tested my work with them and they seems to be really great company. It is very simplified, automated, and your stuff can be everywhere online for live preview and download. Also there's CDBaby but I`ve never tried them. Releasing via Tunecore - your music will appear on Amazon, iTunes, MySpace, Nokia Music Store, eMusic etc... if search djnick on amazon [or iTunes] - some of my stuff will apear :)
Also, other than that - take a look at some music [SFX & trailer] I did for iPhone game my friends are developing for nearly 2 years [and finishing those days]. This game should appear on appstore in next 2 weeks, I hope:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sgBHDSlArs
There is also me [my gf & all other developers] included in the game too :)
http://www.xpectgames.com/nomad_deejay.html
Creating for iOS is now finally possible since January - by simple exporting from Flash CS5 to .IPA :) Everybody that knows programming for Flash can develop its own game! Long Live Apple :)
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@Kolla you are thinking of the iPad like it's a "PC" device... It isn't, the average Joe on the street really doesn't care about all that tech stuff... And that I guess is why iPads sell and other tablets don't!
iPad sold well last year because it was first to market, and there were no viable competitors until late in the year. Pretty much all analysts I've seen expect Apple's sales to be significantly outnumbered by competitor within a year, though they might remain the largest individual player.
Just like Android is easily overtaking iOS as a larger platform despite Apple's lead.
So to say that other tablets don't sell is misleading.
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iPad sold well last year because it was first to market, and there were no viable competitors until late in the year. Pretty much all analysts I've seen expect Apple's sales to be significantly outnumbered by competitor within a year, though they might remain the largest individual player.
Just like Android is easily overtaking iOS as a larger platform despite Apple's lead.
So to say that other tablets don't sell is misleading.
I have seen / tested Galaxy Tab last month and I was amazed - it has quick response, looks and works good, has cam etc. I decided to buy [it is very very very expensive here, ~1000 EUR!] it but just to check iPad first. When I tried iPad... OMG. It worked 10 times better, faster, smoother than anything I`ve seen! So - after V2 coming, I definitely decided to buy myself one :) At least it has front HD cam that none of those others has :)
I have read many tests in computer magazines here - and iPad is definitive - the leading tab.
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But it their stupid lock down I hate not just on software but hardware, why have they not got sd card slot or hdmi connection, why do I need to pay £30 to get a hdmi connection, why cant I replace the battery for maybe a better one or when the battery final dies why does it cost £300 to replace, why does a so call internet central device not support flash, (i know a lot of people have no love for flash on here, but I do and it is part of the web weather you like it or not). why, why, why.
300 pounds for a battery? Really?
It is actually $99US plus $6.95 delivery and they simply ship you a new iPad with a new battery instead of replacing the battery. I am not sure what the UK price is though the exchange rate would suggest it wouldn't be 300 pounds.
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The iPad two must be great, Apple had two self gradulatory videos in one announcement. And no more one last thing!
Seriously, I'm in full tilt this time, 64Gb, wifi, GSM. Comes out of my App store earnings...
Probably better than the 1st edition and a nice device, but also nothing to wet the pants about.
One of the most interesting uses of the ipad I'se seen so far was Geit's use as secondary monitor for the Mac mini running MorphOS with the virtual gfx driver: http://www.geit.de/tmp/mosdualipadscreen.avi
That's fun stuff!
All in all I think Apple usually delivers working products, but the hype is really annoying and not justified to that amount. Personally I think that most things by Apple starting *not* with an "i" (OS X, macbook, powermac, garageband) are the real good things and the i-stuff (ipod, iphone, itunes, iphoto) is that consumer stuff I am not too enthusiastic about for myself(exceptions are the old ibook and the iMac though), but see the market.
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Yes sorry it actually £80 from Apple and they do give you a new/refurbished iPad for you. I think I remebering a different story from a friend who dropped his ipad and it wasn't covered and they offered him a replacement for £300. Still locking off access to the Battery I dont quite understand why they do that, I dont think it would hurt the design. But any way, I completely respect Apple for what its done and its products and I would be a support of them if they just opened up a little more.
I think their 1985 advert perfectly sums up Apple all too well. :-)
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I've never seen a person yet that's tried the iPad rev. 1 that didn't say that it was a neat concept and most stated that they could see the appeal, even if it wasn't what suited their needs.
What do you think I'm posting this from?
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I have seen / tested Galaxy Tab last month and I was amazed - it has quick response, looks and works good, has cam etc. I decided to buy [it is very very very expensive here, ~1000 EUR!] it but just to check iPad first. When I tried iPad... OMG. It worked 10 times better, faster, smoother than anything I`ve seen! So - after V2 coming, I definitely decided to buy myself one :) At least it has front HD cam that none of those others has :)
I have read many tests in computer magazines here - and iPad is definitive - the leading tab.
Anyone played with a Xoom yet?
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Anyone played with a Xoom yet?
I used to when I was younger, but stopped when the doc told me I would go blind... :)
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Why is there no USB host adapter so I can dump images from my camera directly on to the ipad? No memory card reader?
Wrong, Apple offers these, see http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A
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What a load of rubbish. It's married with telling people what they want and need and then marketing it very successfully. I'd have far more respect for the company if they just said it like it is. They have long since surpassed Microsoft's darkest ambitions for completely controlling what their users do (and can do) with their products.
As it stands, if apple were smote from the face of the Earth tomorrow by a vengeful God, I'd not shed a single tear :lol:
My Fav bit, and don't know if anyone else mentioned it yet as not read through rest of thread. Was the round of applause for a fucking cable. Here you go gulible stupid public, HDMI mirror video output, but you will have to buy an extra dongle, what a lod of shit.
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The iPad is the cheapest of the tablets... But if you want something like a netbook or a £300 laptop then it is over priced.
Have to say, but most people who buy macs do so because they don't care about the hardware/looking smart/etc... They just want something that works... That's why I bought a mac... I don't feel superior or smarter I just don't have to worry about my system doing something weird when I need to rely on it.
:) yeah, I'm probably an Apple fanboy, not as much as I am an Amiga fanboy (the platform's been dead for 20 years and I'm still here!)... But really I just like the tight integration of hardware and software... For a few years I made my living using Macs running MacOSX with Apple's Logic Pro... (While selling my work via iTunes!) A complete apple solution which didn't give me any problems (unlike my previous Windows setup)...
I find myself coming to depend on my ability to write Apps for devices like the iPhone and the iPad to make ends meet... Apple make it really really easy for small developers like us to get our software to over 100 million users... So he'll yeah, I'm into that :)
Yeah but its the over exaggerated finger movements to scroll of smug bastards on the train using their iPhones and iPads. makes me want to slap them.
What the connection between the new iFap2(Pad) and Steve Jobs.
They are both 33% thinner :)
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Commodore is dead, Amiga is dead, Apple is flying high. This really is more about jealousy than anything else. Apple succeeds by selling the public what it wants to buy, not a netbook mother board stuffed into a 30 year old case, nor a dual core sub 2 GHz computer for 1500 quid, where you can't even use the two core together.
It's an integrated tuned piece of hardware that is easy to program and easy to sell programs for. It supplements your computer, your tv and your other Apple products. It's isn't a PC, it's the ultimate post PC product.
As far as the lockdown, well, try to do anything with Android without rooting it first....
Thats why I went the maemo/meego route with my portable computer/phone
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My Fav bit, and don't know if anyone else mentioned it yet as not read through rest of thread. Was the round of applause for a fucking cable. Here you go gulible stupid public, HDMI mirror video output, but you will have to buy an extra dongle, what a lod of shit.
Well, what about the fact that the xBox 360 first came out without HDMI and what did you have to do to get it? Buy another IDENTICAL xBox360 which simply had an HDMI port added on. Nothing else was different.
I prefer a dongle, personally.
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Yeah but its the over exaggerated finger movements to scroll of smug bastards on the train using their iPhones and iPads. makes me want to slap them.
What the connection between the new iFap2(Pad) and Steve Jobs.
They are both 33% thinner :)
NICE!!!!!!! lol
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Yeah but its the over exaggerated finger movements to scroll of smug bastards on the train using their iPhones and iPads. makes me want to slap them.
What the connection between the new iFap2(Pad) and Steve Jobs.
They are both 33% thinner :)
*groan*
On a serious note, I hope the guy makes it. No matter what one thinks about Apple, Jobs is one of the original gangstas who pioneered home computing.
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Well, what about the fact that the xBox 360 first came out without HDMI and what did you have to do to get it? Buy another IDENTICAL xBox360 which simply had an HDMI port added on. Nothing else was different.
I prefer a dongle, personally.
My xbox 360 elite came with HDMI cable. I never buy new tech first genereation
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*groan*
On a serious note, I hope the guy makes it. No matter what one thinks about Apple, Jobs is one of the original gangstas who pioneered home computing.
I got no ill feeling towards the guy and hope he make a full snd speedy recovery.
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My Fav bit, and don't know if anyone else mentioned it yet as not read through rest of thread. Was the round of applause for a fucking cable. Here you go gulible stupid public, HDMI mirror video output, but you will have to buy an extra dongle, what a lod of shit.
Well, no one is forcing you buy some stupid HDMI cable... But I will ask you one question... I have an iPhone 3GS, I can buy this cable can get HDMI output from my phone (should I want it, though I don't), are you able to buy an HDMI output for your current phone?
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*groan*
On a serious note, I hope the guy makes it. No matter what one thinks about Apple, Jobs is one of the original gangstas who pioneered home computing.
Did someone say *cough* stolen Palestinian liver *cough*?
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Well, no one is forcing you buy some stupid HDMI cable... But I will ask you one question... I have an iPhone 3GS, I can buy this cable can get HDMI output from my phone (should I want it, though I don't), are you able to buy an HDMI output for your current phone?
Not HDMI no. My phone has old style comp tv out built in as did my last two nokias and the lead (whichy would work on anything with this sort of tv out) came with the phones.
Lotd of Nokias do have HDMI ports on them now.
I can also use blootooth for more than headphones and use my phone as internet tether :) But I am now being a bit of a dick :)
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LOL, my Nokia's the same - no HDMI but I can use anyone's old-style camcorder cable in the headphone socket and output video to composite. I can also play my MP3s from the phone over my car stereo via Bluetooth, internet tether with Bluetooth, and use the excellent Salling Clicker (http://www.salling.com/clicker/windows/) (though this might be available for the iPhone too now). What I don't have is the iPhone's slick interface, smooth GUI effects and overall Appleness...
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I own a couple Android tablets, all I can say is Froyo may be ok on a phone but frankly it comes up lacking on a tablet. My advice on Android is wait for Honeycomb.
Go to the App store, everything in there will run on an iPad 2. Go to Android Market, find me a device that will run everything in there. Lot's of luck trying.
I'm waiting to see it play out but I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple still have over 2/3s of the tablet market.
iPad sold well last year because it was first to market, and there were no viable competitors until late in the year. Pretty much all analysts I've seen expect Apple's sales to be significantly outnumbered by competitor within a year, though they might remain the largest individual player.
Just like Android is easily overtaking iOS as a larger platform despite Apple's lead.
So to say that other tablets don't sell is misleading.
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I own a couple Android tablets, all I can say is Froyo may be ok on a phone but frankly it comes up lacking on a tablet. My advice on Android is wait for Honeycomb.
Go to the App store, everything in there will run on an iPad 2. Go to Android Market, find me a device that will run everything in there. Lot's of luck trying.
I'm waiting to see it play out but I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple still have over 2/3s of the tablet market a year from now.
iPad sold well last year because it was first to market, and there were no viable competitors until late in the year. Pretty much all analysts I've seen expect Apple's sales to be significantly outnumbered by competitor within a year, though they might remain the largest individual player.
Just like Android is easily overtaking iOS as a larger platform despite Apple's lead.
So to say that other tablets don't sell is misleading.
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I forgot ant we all going to get this
http://icontainprotects.com/products/tablet/
:lol:
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I'm waiting to see it play out but I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple still have over 2/3s of the tablet market a year from now.
A year from now, in total units sold, maybe, given the massive head start they have. But they're too expensive and too closed and too limited in terms of different form factors and catering to different customer needs to hold on to their lead in number of new units sold for very long.
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A year from now, in total units sold, maybe, given the massive head start they have. But they're too expensive and too closed and too limited in terms of different form factors and catering to different customer needs to hold on to their lead in number of new units sold for very long.
Too expensive? IPads are the cheapest of the lot!
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Prevert! ;)
Nice! :P
meh. As much as I dislike fanboism (unless its amiga fanboism!), you'd have to be blind to not realize that Apple makes some nice hardware.
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The iPad two must be great, Apple had two self gradulatory videos in one announcement. And no more one last thing!
Seriously, I'm in full tilt this time, 64Gb, wifi, GSM. Comes out of my App store earnings...
I'm surprised to see so many posts from people looking forward to this device.
Personally, to me, it looks like a giant iPod or iPhone (without the phone).
Can someone explain to me the attraction of a laptop like device without a real keyboard?
Frankly, The whole thing looks kind of silly. I could see the utility if it were smaller. But right now I'd prefer a laptop.
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I'm surprised to see so many posts from people looking forward to this device.
Personally, to me, it looks like a giant iPod or iPhone (without the phone).
Can someone explain to me the attraction of a laptop like device without a real keyboard?
Frankly, The whole thing looks kind of silly. I could see the utility if it were smaller. But right now I'd prefer a laptop.
Read the whole thread.
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But I have to give them credit that I can as a bedroom coder make enough money to make ends meet because their IPhone/iPad app store...
That´s what Jobs is proud of, and you really have to give him credit for that.
However I personally can´t justify paying Apple 100EUR for a cryptographic key to store my own programs on my own device each year, because I only write about one and a half simple tools during that period. And nobody except myself is ever likely to look at my results. But I love doing that stuff, so I am not doing them on iPhone or iPad anymore.
Apples policy wouldn´t hurt me, if they allowed 3rd party programming environments (think UAE, VICE or even Flash). But unfortunately this goes against their mantra and the target market. And jailbreaking just sucks.
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Too expensive? IPads are the cheapest of the lot!
Nonsense (http://www.thecheaplaptops.co.uk/epad-inch-google-android-wifi-tablet-netbook-256mb-camera-p-419.html).
Or for a slightly more expensive version (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10%22-ANDROID-DDR-256MB-ZENITHINK-E-PAD--_W0QQitemZ260671392510QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=215213964825&rvr_id=215213964825&cguid=8218230712e0a0aa16f06530ffe67e86)
Cheapest at equivalent specs, possibly, but there are a ton of Android pads in the sub-200 pound market.
Most of them are probably of horrible quality, but then again people buy cheap netbooks and flimsy plastic laptops too (me included - my Acer laptop has the same spec as a Macbook that costs 3 times as much, but there's no getting around that the build quality of the Acer is atrocious in comparison, but that's ok, I got what I paid for).
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@vidarh
Those are 7 inch ARM 11 tablets with minimal specs. Resistive single touch screens, 256 MB of RAM (which likely means no Honeycomb).
Go out there and find a ten inch capacitive multi-touch dual core ARM8 or ARM9 tablet with 16 GB of storage. Add a 5 MP rear facing camera and a 1.3 MP front facing one. The tablet should have a minimum 512 MB of RAM. Now tell me how much a Chinese knock off is. We're talking Notion Ink Adam or so. This is the low end, approx 400 USD. Don't even ask about name brands. Apple has set a price point that is aggressive on the iPad 2. And let's not forget that interface wise Android won't be competitive with iOS until Honeycomb is released.
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@vidarh
Those are 7 inch ARM 11 tablets with minimal specs. Resistive single touch screens, 256 MB of RAM (which likely means no Honeycomb).
Go out there and find a ten inch capacitive multi-touch dual core ARM8 or ARM9 tablet with 16 GB of storage. Add a 5 MP rear facing camera and a 1.3 MP front facing one. The tablet should have a minimum 512 MB of RAM.
You entirely miss the point. Netbooks outsell Macbooks. Cheap, entry level Windows laptops outsell Macbooks. The bottom fell out of the non-Mac laptop market because most people care more about price than build quality and design, and realize that the cheap goods are *sufficient* even if they're not as great as the iPad.
People buy far more cheap practical cars than expensive sports cars too...
You'll see the same with the iPad vs. exactly the type of cheap, crappy pads I pointed to, that are not in any way comparable to the iPad, but that are cheap enough that the vast majority who don't lightly spend 300 pounds+ for a gadget when many of them don't even have a desktop or laptop might consider buying them.
In fact, these pads will sell in vast quantities just because of people looking for bargains, that finds these pads in heaps at low price outlets as something they can buy on a whim. Some of these pads are in the price range where they might find their way into discount isles in super markets.
Apple will probably make several times as much profit per unit, because high margin products is where they shine, but there's just no way they'll not be massively beaten on number of units given the price level they've put themselves on.
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You entirely miss the point. Netbooks outsell Macbooks. Cheap, entry level Windows laptops outsell Macbooks. The bottom fell out of the non-Mac laptop market because most people care more about price than build quality and design, and realize that the cheap goods are *sufficient* even if they're not as great as the iPad.
People buy far more cheap practical cars than expensive sports cars too...
You'll see the same with the iPad vs. exactly the type of cheap, crappy pads I pointed to, that are not in any way comparable to the iPad, but that are cheap enough that the vast majority who don't lightly spend 300 pounds+ for a gadget when many of them don't even have a desktop or laptop might consider buying them.
In fact, these pads will sell in vast quantities just because of people looking for bargains, that finds these pads in heaps at low price outlets as something they can buy on a whim. Some of these pads are in the price range where they might find their way into discount isles in super markets.
Apple will probably make several times as much profit per unit, because high margin products is where they shine, but there's just no way they'll not be massively beaten on number of units given the price level they've put themselves on.
Still, claiming the iPad isn´t the cheapest option and pointing to a noname slim-spec Android 2.x tablet is like comparing a Ferrari and a Yugo with the motivation that they are both cars.
Compare it to the Xoom instead. It has more or less the exact same specs as the iPad 2, and is more expensive across the board.
I don´t see how anyone can claim the iPad is expensive, really.
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I think the main reason Apple can aggressively make it at this price is that they run their business more and more like a game console one, and they make a bit money on every App they sell to you so they can afford to sell the ipad 2 most likely at cost, plus they use Foxconn who is just above slave labor standards help to bring down the cost :).
I think a bigger threat to the ipad might be the larger size Phone that are starting to appear with say 5 inch screen space, which is just enough to enjoy the web and are pritty much given away with phone contracts people will just use them as their main mobile device.
Also starting to appear are the Netbook Tablets that are pretty neat, spec wise as example Asus EEE PC T101MT (http://www.coastwaycomputerstore.co.uk/StoreFront/evolution_product.html?Product=asus-eee-pc-t101mt-atomn450-1.66g-320gb-2gb-10.1in-w7hp-black------uk&idProduct=201180) has 1.6Ghz atom, 10.1 inch mulitouch, 320gb hard drive, 2Gb ram, 7 hur battery and more for just £389.99, so they are getting pritty cheap and Windows 7 is not too bad as touch OS need more work in the app support area however.
And then their the Nintendo 3ds and PSP2 both will offer a lot more features than just gaming, like they already have done, camera and full internet ability and both will be a lot cheaper than the ipad2 so I do think the iPad2 has got it a lot tougher this time round.
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plus they use Foxconn who is just above slave labor standards
99% of the components in my A3000 have Foxconn labels on them.
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Yes dont get me wrong it common practices for all companies to get cheap labor its not just apple, on the back of my Amiga it says "Made in philippines" and I doubt it was for the weather.
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iPad sold well last year because it was first to market, and there were no viable competitors until late in the year. Pretty much all analysts I've seen expect Apple's sales to be significantly outnumbered by competitor within a year, though they might remain the largest individual player.
Just like Android is easily overtaking iOS as a larger platform despite Apple's lead.
So to say that other tablets don't sell is misleading.
analysts? like the ones that told everyone Apple was dead at $12 per share? Or the ones that didn't see the GFC coming?
Apple's iPad is mimicing the iPod phenomenon: plenty of better quality mp3 players with more features and Apple still got 85% of the market.
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I heard on the news that in the US, one of the "Big box stores" (Costco????) was going to offer a 16 MB Xoom for 539 USD. Only 40 USD more than the iPad 2.
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MacBook user = today's yuppie.
OSX is kinda cool, though, I have to admit.
I'll just continue to use my dual boot xp and OSX 10.5.6 HP Tablet hackintosh with the 'hackintosh' apple and cross-bones sticker on the back..... I get some elistest grimaces at the local coffee shop which makes it all worth while! :)
Before anyone jumps on my case.... I did purchase OSX leopard even though I guess I am violating the 'only on apple hardware' part. Makes as much sense to me as a book publisher requiring that you read their books under a certain brand of lightbulb..
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motorola xoom (http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/motorola-xoom-review/)
yes it is not cheaper than the i-pad 2, but unlike any i-poo'ed, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. you dont have to rely on shitty 3rd party software for mundane tasks such as hauling over some mp3s or e-books or whatever ... I believe the flash storage is upgradeable too
http://3anime.com/motorola-xoom-vs-apple-ipad-2-which-is-the-better-tablet/2757
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You sill have to root it to make it usable.....
Both Android and iOs lock down the tablet.
motorola xoom (http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/motorola-xoom-review/)
yes it is not cheaper than the i-pad 2, but unlike any i-poo'ed, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. you dont have to rely on shitty 3rd party software for mundane tasks such as hauling over some mp3s or e-books or whatever ... I believe the flash storage is upgradeable too
http://3anime.com/motorola-xoom-vs-apple-ipad-2-which-is-the-better-tablet/2757
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You sill have to root it to make it usable.....
Both Android and iOs lock down the tablet.
Correction: the vendor locks down the tablet. Android itself doesn't place any deliberate restrictions on what can be done on the hardware.
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well.......
As long as Apple (and others) insist on the walled garden approach to development, there will always be a perceived amount of decent.
The way I see it, it's my device, I bought it, and if I want to open it, jailbreak it, and use it how I want to, it's against the law.
Open source cannot compete with the marketing and hardware innovations.
I remember reading an interview with a Sony developer that was working on netMD. He said that he listed the features that were possible, and the lawyers reduced it down to a barely usable format.
I hope that Apple and others learn from XBOX indie games and make it a little easier to play in their sandbox.
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You sill have to root it to make it usable.....
Both Android and iOs lock down the tablet.
erm, you dont have to root it for any mundane task I mentioned. I can copy over mp3's or whatever as I want.
Only reason I rooted is to use some overclocking software and WiFi tethering. Which is understandable as it may breach the data plan.
Other than that, you can still do lots of stuff not available to iOS even un rooted. I can compile my OWN code on my computer, with a totally free provided IDE and RUN it on my device without asking permissions from anyone. Can you beat that ? :lol:
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Still, claiming the iPad isn´t the cheapest option and pointing to a noname slim-spec Android 2.x tablet is like comparing a Ferrari and a Yugo with the motivation that they are both cars.
Which would be a fair comparison if someone claims that a Ferrari is the cheapest car on the market, when it clearly isn't.
If they claimed it was the cheapest luxury sports car, then maybe, maybe not, I'm not up on prices on luxury sports cars. Similarly if the claim had been that iPad was the cheapest high spec'ed pad, then maybe, but that wasn't the claim I addressed.
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analysts? like the ones that told everyone Apple was dead at $12 per share? Or the ones that didn't see the GFC coming?
Apple's iPad is mimicing the iPod phenomenon: plenty of better quality mp3 players with more features and Apple still got 85% of the market.
The big difference is that the iPod is an accessory to iTunes, the iPod itself isn't really the product. People buy an iPod if they want the simplicity of the whole iTunes experience, not for the features of the device itself. It also has price options that are low enough for impulse buys even for people with relatively low income.
iPhone vs. Android has shown that that's very different in a situation where the price is higher and the functionality of the device itself is a bigger deal, even with the iPhone getting that significant head start.
The iPad is far more likely to play out like the iPhone than the iPod, with a massive surge early on but gradually being overtaken simply because the massive number of competitors filling a vast number of niches that matter, whereas in the music player market this is largely uninteresting.
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If I put aside for the moment, the fact I've been a happy Apple user for the last 5 years I find it fairly hard to find fault with what Apple is doing purely based on the fact the Windows PC still commands more than 90% of market share. Its okay for Apple to protect the 'Apple way' really it is. Any serious business that wants to be successful in any market creates a friendly image and sets standards.
Having said that I still don't see the point of an iPad for the average consumer. A laptop does the same thing and much more and hey you use a mouse as standard. Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I really don't see much of a need for touch-screen technology. I laugh at phone adverts, "you can go on facebook", 'you can log on to youtube', 'you can tweet!' and 'check out google maps'. Yeah brilliant I really need google maps in every day life to find my way around my own town, my tagline on hearing these adverts is: 'hey you can even call people and talk to them!'
I buy things that I 'need', not what I 'want' I suppose this goes against what a lot of people practice in this day and age.
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You really have to use a tablet to understand, it has a place that's quite different to a notebook. I still have and use a MacBook in addition to my iPad. Frankly for 90% of iPad usage a mouse would be worthless.
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I can copy files to and from my iPad quite easily, I can write code in a free IDE and run it on my iOS device. I don't need anyones permission to do this.
erm, you dont have to root it for any mundane task I mentioned. I can copy over mp3's or whatever as I want.
Only reason I rooted is to use some overclocking software and WiFi tethering. Which is understandable as it may breach the data plan.
Other than that, you can still do lots of stuff not available to iOS even un rooted. I can compile my OWN code on my computer, with a totally free provided IDE and RUN it on my device without asking permissions from anyone. Can you beat that ? :lol:
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There are going to people who get tablets, and people who don't. Just like people who get scooters and people who didn't. Utes, Vans, SUVs and so on.
If you don't see the benefit of it that doesn't mean there isn't any benefit. Thankfully, the world is made up of many different people with different needs. If not there would only be one brand and one model of computer on the market.
Could you imagine if the only computer on the market was an IBM PCjr? Nothing else to choose from. It was never updated as no one saw the need to update it as it was the only computer everyone used and needed?
Also, I like the argument that you can do everything on the Xoom, unlike the iPad. Seriously, what a crock. It is still an Android tablet using a touch interface. There are things both do and things one does the other doesn't. I am sure they are both great tablets. Buy the one you want or buy neither.
It is everyone's choice. Trying to convince other people of one's opinions to be their own is a blatant waste of time.
If you listen to some people there would be 5 computers in the world that had no more than 640k RAM and no bigger than a 14" screen! (IBM, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs)
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You really have to use a tablet to understand, it has a place that's quite different to a notebook. I still have and use a MacBook in addition to my iPad. Frankly for 90% of iPad usage a mouse would be worthless.
True, but a 2006 Centrino tablet PC from Fujitsu is still the superior product. iPad is for clueless losers and fanboys (same thing)
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I think the iPad is for people who have everything.
It is easy to see why they don't have SD or USB. If you want more storage you buy the bigger one. (o: It might be a simple thing but it typifies the reality that is Apple.
Flash is still missing from the browsing experience.
But I agree with Bloodline on one thing. Tailoring the OS/Software to the hardware is the way to go.
Maybe they could collaborate with some partners out there though, so they get some corporate IT friends otherwise things are going to get very lonely.
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. Its okay for Apple to protect the 'Apple way' really it is.
Unless the new Apple way solely consists of protecting the Apple way. Kind of like governments.
I can copy files to and from my iPad quite easily, I can write code in a free IDE and run it on my iOS device. I don't need anyones permission to do this.
In other words you did a jailbreak. Which means you practically lost some of the fabled benefits of apples walled garden.
Don´t get me wrong. I am a Mac user and have been since they bought NeXT. And I think my iPhone is a landmark in mobile history, but I none the less honestly believe that all Apple DRM sucks big time, is a major turnoff and completely antidemocratic.
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Maybe the companies could have an unlocked Extreme Edition of their product for the tinkerers. But I think they like consumers to remain like zombies.
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In other words you did a jailbreak. Which means you practically lost some of the fabled benefits of apples walled garden.
Cracking phones so as to allow tethering is hardly new or exclusive to Apple. It should also be noted that it is the phone networks who demand this, so that they can then charge for a higher tier of service from customers to allow it. I imagine that Apple would probably otherwise have left the facility in place.
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LOL IPAD
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Maybe they could collaborate with some partners out there though, so they get some corporate IT friends otherwise things are going to get very lonely.
Their stated policy is pretty much the opposite: They want to own the whole stack, hence their CPUs for the iPad etc.. Expect them to try to get rid of their partners one by one everywhere else too, as soon as they think it's viable.
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If I may draw the discussion for a moment.
If we put ourselves in Apple's position, how do we survive as a business?
A few years ago computers became commodity devices, you didn't need to think about the system you were getting and what tasks you wanted to do... You just bought a computer... When it broke, you bought a new one... The computer was reduced to a device that was little more than a washing machine.
The market is flooded with computer devices, the hardware is now basically an irrelevance. Content is all that matters now. What Apple had to do to survive is change from being a computer company to being a content provider, and that is how we need to look at them.
The iPad, iPod, iPhone, iTunes are all content delivery platforms. As such they seem alien to us oldschool computer users. At least 60% of computer users today are not oldschool computer users, they only really want to consume content.
Now when I want to create content, I use a Mac... Which is a computer in the old sense, but when I sell that content I'm selling it to people who consume content.
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The iPad, iPod, iPhone, iTunes are all content delivery platforms. As such they seem alien to us oldschool computer users. At least 60% of computer users today are not oldschool computer users, they only really want to consume content.
I think that's why I have such a dislike for PCs & Macs, to me only ever having used the Amiga made me realise that home computing was something a wee bit special and never saw the Amiga as something I used just for consuming it's content... :)
It was all about learning how to program/expand/tinker & be creative with it, I guess your right about most computer users today seeing them as nothing more than just another gadget that they use for nothing more than playing games or browsing the net, downloading music etc... :(
Shame really, as there is a hell of a lot more you can do with a computer than just browsing, downloading or game playing... :)
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@Franko
I agree, from our perspective it is bizarre that someone doesn't want to get under the hood and have a tinker... But that is the reality we are in and Apple do provide an outlet for people like us, on your MacOSX install DVD there is a directory called "Development", install it and then have a play with your Mac development environment. There are some fun technologies hidden in there!
-Edit- almost forgot, if you develop something cool you can easily sell it to other Mac users via the Mac App Store... Earn a bit of cash :)
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@Franko
I agree, from our perspective it is bizarre that someone doesn't want to get under the hood and have a tinker... But that is the reality we are in and Apple do provide an outlet for people like us, on your MacOSX install DVD there is a directory called "Development", install it and then have a play with your Mac development environment. There are some fun technologies hidden in there!
-Edit- almost forgot, if you develop something cool you can easily sell it to other Mac users via the Mac App Store... Earn a bit of cash :)
I had noticed that directory when I re-installed one of my Macs but to be honest I though it was just something to do with bug-reporting to Apple and never actually even looked in it and just deleted it instead...
Gonna re-install it and have a look, sounds interesting... :)
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True, but a 2006 Centrino tablet PC from Fujitsu is still the superior product. iPad is for clueless losers and fanboys (same thing)
Funny. I think Apple haters are the worst clueless losers and fanboys (same thing). So what?
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@Franko,
Once installed, click on the spotlight icon in the top right hand corner of the menu bar (yay for menu bars :) ), type Xcode hit and that should start the Xcode IDE, from there you can read through all the apple developer documentation... Fun stuff for us tinkerers ;)
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@Franko,
Once installed, click on the spotlight icon in the top right hand corner of the menu bar (yay for menu bars :) ), type Xcode hit and that should start the Xcode IDE, from there you can read through all the apple developer documentation... Fun stuff for us tinkerers ;)
I took spotlight out a wee while back (big mistake...) to try and stop the Mac writing index files & stuff to my cameras & MP3 players had to put it back though as it caused a lot of problems... :(
I'll install it later and have look, right now I'm covered in Retr0bright doing all me old miggies/C64s & VIC 20s and this Apple keyboards kinda got a few blobs of Retr0Bright on it now... Thanks for the tips...:)
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The Development folder Franko is basically an SDK. It comes complete with XCode a complete and fully featured IDE. Got zero experience in using it, but I believe you can design/draw an interface complete with buttons, listviews, add windows etc like you would do in something like VB or AVD. The language is C++, perhaps it supports other languages as well.
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The language is C++
If only it was, perhaps I wouldn't hate it so much! :lol:
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If only it was, perhaps I wouldn't hate it so much! :lol:
We'll cross that bridge later huh? ;)
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We'll cross that bridge later huh? ;)
I've tried to cross it many times mate, I've given up trying now.
Much as Java also gets on my nerves, it's close enough to C++ to make it tolerable to create Android apps with. :)
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iPad 2 Review... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct1_r_61sk8)
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iPad 2 Review... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct1_r_61sk8)
Nice... for once I like a portable device, handy for folk like me with really big fingers but it may struggle a wee bit with my Scottish accent... :)
(wonder what size batteries it takes... :))
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmWnAE-SFeM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmWnAE-SFeM
GOLD! :lol::lol::lol:
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So I decided I want to copy my music over to my ipad, and since..
a) it doesn't grasp neither ogg nor flac
b) does not allow me to just copy over files directly, like one can do on any other device
I decided to re-rip my CD collection of ... ah.. dunno, maybe 400 CDs or so, on my minimac. What's more natural than to use iTunes, it even does it automagically when CDDA is inserted. However, iTunes is also mindnumblingly dumb. So I have this old Basement Jaxx album, "The Singles", which have tracks that are by Basement Jaxx, but also quite a few that are Basement Jaxx featuring some other artist. What does iTunes do? It now thinks I have 6 albums called "The Singles", of which one is by an artist "Basement Jaxx", one is of an artist named "Basement Jaxx Feat. Kele le Roc" and so on. And not just that, it even has created directories in the filesystem like this as well. And it does this same crap with compilation albums, creating a total mess in the filesystem. And when I sync over to the iPad, the mess is recreated there. I find myself unable to listen to a complete album, as neither iTunes nor the iPod software seem to be aware that the collection of files are actually the same friggin' album.
So what am I doing wrong and how is this supposed to be user friendly?
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Funny. I think Apple haters are the worst clueless losers and fanboys (same thing). So what?
Yes, that's a sound argument, please share with us where you learnt to form such coherent and, dare I say, inspiring sentences.
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Somebody lock this thread, this is an Amiga site. Until AROS runs on an iPad 2 I'm not interested.
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While I'm not nec' interested in the iPad2, it's good to see the handheld/tablet segment finally getting some momentum in the industry. (This from the proud owner of an Atari LYNX, like Amiga another forgotten underdog of classic tech'.)
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I buy things that I 'need', not what I 'want' I suppose this goes against what a lot of people practice in this day and age.
hey dj! i know (like me) you WANT a X1000 but i know (like me) you don't NEED one;)
btw, I personally don't believe in tablets but if I were in the market I'd buy the new HP Palm TouchPad with WebOS as Palm/WebOS has always been my favourite PDA/smartphone OS
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Somebody lock this thread, this is an Amiga site. Until AROS runs on an iPad 2 I'm not interested.
There is an iOS port of AROS being worked on by Sonic... Though you will need to jailbreak your device in order to install it.
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Q. If iPad and Apple are so cool how come Steve Jobs tucks his top into his jeans ?
He's just an ordinary geek...!
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Got zero experience in using it, but I believe you can design/draw an interface complete with buttons, listviews, add windows etc like you would do in something like VB or AVD. The language is C++, perhaps it supports other languages as well.
Xcode (the former Interface Builder part) has a very polished editor. If you know what you are doing you can manage hundreds of options with no problems while maintaining a good overview. The concept of nib-files (basically deep fried gadgets, menus and windows, that your software doesn´t have to configure or even instantiate again) is a great idea. The language of choice is Objective C. The C++-bridge is there, but it´s clumsy like a Sidecar. Java support is somewhat defying the purpose, because you lose the cross-platform advantage and iPhone & iPad don´t support Java at all. XCode includes an iPod/iPhone/iPad-simulator that runs native Mac-code and libraries instead of the ones of the development target, which may lead to incompatibilities.
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Q. If iPad and Apple are so cool how come Steve Jobs tucks his top into his jeans ?
He's just an ordinary geek...!
A geek indeed: Steve never selects his public outfit at random. Until 1998 he was wearing expensive and highly fashionable suits at all presentations. Steve figured in order to get the "Think Different" slogan to work and to re-adapt to the rainbow colored Apple-crowd he had to choose a style that was both visually appealing and orderly, as well as clearly distinctive from the elite he was hanging out with. Not too counter-culture, not too stylish, not too business-like.
I bet he tried 500 different styles and made thrice as many photographs before settling on his trademark turtleneck, which also happens to be a style he is very comfortable wearing, since he used to be a jeans & T-shirt-guy in the late 70s.
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So I decided I want to copy my music over to my ipad, and since..
a) it doesn't grasp neither ogg nor flac
b) does not allow me to just copy over files directly, like one can do on any other device
I decided to re-rip my CD collection of ... ah.. dunno, maybe 400 CDs or so, on my minimac. What's more natural than to use iTunes, it even does it automagically when CDDA is inserted. However, iTunes is also mindnumblingly dumb. So I have this old Basement Jaxx album, "The Singles", which have tracks that are by Basement Jaxx, but also quite a few that are Basement Jaxx featuring some other artist. What does iTunes do? It now thinks I have 6 albums called "The Singles", of which one is by an artist "Basement Jaxx", one is of an artist named "Basement Jaxx Feat. Kele le Roc" and so on. And not just that, it even has created directories in the filesystem like this as well. And it does this same crap with compilation albums, creating a total mess in the filesystem. And when I sync over to the iPad, the mess is recreated there. I find myself unable to listen to a complete album, as neither iTunes nor the iPod software seem to be aware that the collection of files are actually the same friggin' album.
So what am I doing wrong and how is this supposed to be user friendly?
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Yes, that's a sound argument, please share with us where you learnt to form such coherent and, dare I say, inspiring sentences.
Sure dude, quite easy. I learnt from Digiman.
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Just link your salary details straight to Steve Jobs' bank account ;)
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So what am I doing wrong and how is this supposed to be user friendly?
Your audio meta data is wrong.
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Your audio meta data is wrong.
Yes kolla, how dare you question the way laid fore you by holy Jobs? Surely you must re organise all your music collection as he sees fit. You do not 'think different' enough, thats your problem.
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So having bad metadata gets you four points?
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:lol: Macs are derided for being too simple and user friendly... But as soon as you are required to adjust some metadata (easy enough to do if you right click on the the song selections), then all of a sudden the Mac is too difficult to use! Come on, we are Amiga users we shall not be overcome by a bit of power user work ;)
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:lol: Macs are derided for being too simple and user friendly...
$?£>%^<&<%>>?£?@@@!!!!
After the 48hrs of of fiddling I've had to do to get E-UAE to work (By work I mean give more than "2.17 MIPS" rating in Sysinfo) that just isn't funny!
("sudo echo sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmmax=536870912; sudo purge" before each run does the trick and no, putting the value in /etc/sysctl.conf AND/OR /etc/rc doesn't work.)
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Metadata my ass - so just because meta data on what... is it CDDB this sorry excuse of a program is using ... is wrong, iTunes has to do it wrong too? Well, with all the screwed data on CDDB, that simply wont work, as I can tell already. And btw - it is not just a matter of changing the meta data, the file structure remains fubar even if I do so. And apart from manually moving the album dicretory into the "compilation" directory, how d I tell iTunes that this is a compilation album by changing meta data? Anyways, my point is that iTunes should already know this, as it is the program that rips the CD in the first place - I've never really stumbled on a ripping program that behaves this silly when it comes to this - heck, most programs even let _me_ decide how to organize my files as I see fit.
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Metadata my ass - so just because meta data on what... is it CDDB this sorry excuse of a program is using ... is wrong, iTunes has to do it wrong too? Well, with all the screwed data on CDDB, that simply wont work, as I can tell already. And btw - it is not just a matter of changing the meta data, the file structure remains fubar even if I do so. And apart from manually moving the album dicretory into the "compilation" directory, how d I tell iTunes that this is a compilation album by changing meta data? Anyways, my point is that iTunes should already know this, as it is the program that rips the CD in the first place - I've never really stumbled on a ripping program that behaves this silly when it comes to this - heck, most programs even let _me_ decide how to organize my files as I see fit.
Try changing the CDDB server address to http://cddb.musicbrainz.org
Much better quality of meta-data.
Wel, that's if his Royal Jobsness has decreed that you may choose which server to use.
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:lol: Macs are derided for being too simple and user friendly... But as soon as you are required to adjust some metadata (easy enough to do if you right click on the the song selections), then all of a sudden the Mac is too difficult to use! Come on, we are Amiga users we shall not be overcome by a bit of power user work ;)
Let me see.. I come from Amarok. It lets me change all meta data on all marked files all in one go. I can mark all files and tell it to change artist for all tracks in one go, I can tell it to change album for all files in one go, I can have it run out on the net and collect track info based on the file names, song lengths, and analyze the files by using musicbrainz - all in all it does exactly what I expect from such a program. iTunes on the other hand is more of a hub for iBobs, and pretty much just that. As a music player it stinks, as a meta data editor it's just way too silly.
You power user comment is highly ironic.
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$?£>%^<&<%>>?£?@@@!!!!
After the 48hrs of of fiddling I've had to do to get E-UAE to work (By work I mean give more than "2.17 MIPS" rating in Sysinfo) that just isn't funny!
("sudo echo sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmmax=536870912; sudo purge" before each run does the trick and no, putting the value in /etc/sysctl.conf AND/OR /etc/rc doesn't work.)
The /etc/sysctl.conf file, like a lot of standard unix files in OSX, is just there to confuse you. And they top it off by having man pages that more often than not have nothing to do with the actual binaries they ship, and most of the OSX specific commands have no man pages at all.
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Of course, problems using Amiga are all roses...
...or at least a careful (and unemotional) working through to research and resolve the issues.
Maybe OSX just isnt for you?
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iTunes is one of the worst media programs I have ever used. I tried it on several platforms.
I think I am going to say it, I am..arrrrghhhh
Even Windows Media player pisses all over iTunes
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iTunes is one of the worst media programs I have ever used. I tried it on several platforms.
I think I am going to say it, I am..arrrrghhhh
Even Windows Media player pisses all over iTunes
I don't want to defend iTunes, as I have no love for it... As I've become older and care less about how the computer is organising my media files, I find it doesn't get in my way and that's fine for me.
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Maybe OSX just isnt for you?
According to certain people on this board, that just cannot be.
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The best media player i've seen is WinAmp. I think it's brilliant. Good for music files but not so good with video files :)
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iTunes is one of the worst media programs I have ever used. I tried it on several platforms.
I think I am going to say it, I am..arrrrghhhh
Even Windows Media player pisses all over iTunes
that glorious title belongs to SonicStage by Sony, no questions.
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-22864.html
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/general/24013-fuck-sonicstage.html
http://anythingbutipod.com/2006/04/sonicstage-alternatives/
just google sonicstage sh*t and you can come up with endless similar results ...
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According to certain people on this board, that just cannot be.
No one is forcing you to use OSX.
Personally, I like it. (I also like my Windows7 and Linux machines).
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No one is forcing you to use OSX.
Perhaps not, but Apple kind of force anyone with an iPad to use iTunes.
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Of course, problems using Amiga are all roses...
...or at least a careful (and unemotional) working through to research and resolve the issues.
Maybe OSX just isnt for you?
When I bought the MBP I was told by Apple that OSX was UNIX.
Thus I expected it to behave like UNIX. This has turned out not to be the case in many basic areas of operation that are standard across all other UNIX's and clones.
I believe "Epic fail" is the correct meme here.
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Let me see.. I come from Amarok. It lets me change all meta data on all marked files all in one go. I can mark all files and tell it to change artist for all tracks in one go, I can tell it to change album for all files in one go, I can have it run out on the net and collect track info based on the file names, song lengths, and analyze the files by using musicbrainz - all in all it does exactly what I expect from such a program. iTunes on the other hand is more of a hub for iBobs, and pretty much just that. As a music player it stinks, as a meta data editor it's just way too silly.
You power user comment is highly ironic.
For what it's worth, in iTunes, select a bunch of files, "get info" then you can change all of their metadata - album title, artist, year, etc.
Earlier on the thread, the "compilation" issue was mentioned; If you select a single file, on the "Info" tab, there's a checkbox for "part of a compilation". If you've selected multiple files look in the "Options" tab for "Part of a compilation". Yes, it's bad design that they're on different tabs if the files are selected differently. "Compilation" will group them all together as one album in your listing, and store them in a "Compilations" folder in its music storage area... if you look on the filesystem for that sort of thing.
If you're on Mac, there are a bunch of AppleScripts that people have written to do things like remove track numbers from filenames and shove those into the track number tag fields, etc. I wrote a simple AppleScript where you select a bunch of tracks, and it renumbers the tracks based on the selection 1 of 5, 2 of 5, 3 of 5, etc.
Does it have one of those nifty "automatically figure out what this song is" features? No. but I've seen a few secondary apps and such that do that.
I understand having legitimate complaints about iTunes. I've used it for years, and I personally like that it organizes and wraps a searchable database around my media files. I'm done with maintaining a filesystem heirarchy myself. And yes, the iDevice's display of some of this stuff is.. .awkward at best (put a compilation on an iDevce, then look at your "artists" listing -- it's a mess.) But complaining about lack of features that are actually there anyway is just silly.
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The /etc/sysctl.conf file, like a lot of standard unix files in OSX, is just there to confuse you. And they top it off by having man pages that more often than not have nothing to do with the actual binaries they ship, and most of the OSX specific commands have no man pages at all.
"man sysctl.conf" on Snow Leopard returns a pack of lies at best.
Still having trouble with uae because of it. :/
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When I bought the MBP I was told by Apple that OSX was UNIX.
Thus I expected it to behave like UNIX. This has turned out not to be the case in many basic areas of operation that are standard across all other UNIX's and clones.
I believe "Epic fail" is the correct meme here.
OSX is based on UNIX in the same way "Escape from Colditz" is based on a true story. There's a kernel (arf arf) of truth in there, but the rest has become unrecognisable. For example, a genuinely UNIX-like OS installation generally isn't hacked in under two minutes (http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/2008/03/27/day-two-of-cansecwest-pwn-to-own---we-have-our-first-official-winner-with-picture)* ;)
*especially not by exploiting a vulnerability in what should be a user-space application :lol:
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OSX is based on UNIX in the same way "Escape from Colditz" is based on a true story. There's a kernel (arf arf) of truth in there, but the rest has become unrecognisable. For example, a genuinely UNIX-like OS installation generally isn't hacked in under two minutes (http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/2008/03/27/day-two-of-cansecwest-pwn-to-own---we-have-our-first-official-winner-with-picture) ;)
That's the thing though, Apple don't claim it is "based on UNIX", they claim it *IS* UNIX.
Leopard is now an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product, conforming to the SUSv3 (http://web.archive.org/web/20070823040630/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification) and POSIX (http://web.archive.org/web/20070823040630/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX) 1003.1 specifications
http://web.archive.org/web/20070823040630/http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/technology/unix.html
(http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3581.htm)
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It meets the spec...
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars
/shrug
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That's the thing though, Apple don't claim it is "based on UNIX", they claim it *IS* UNIX.
They also claimed the iPhone 4 "Changes everything, again."
Strange, because I noticed on the day of release, the vast majority of things I regularly encounter seemed just the same as the day before.
Unless they are now taking credit for entropy.
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It meets the spec...
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars
/shrug
OSX is fine until one wants to do real work (Work that involves typing) with it and then it falls on it's arse.
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It meets the spec...
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars
/shrug
Pity the criteria doesn't seem to include any guarantee of quality of implementation ;)
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OSX is fine until one wants to do real work (Work that involves typing) with it and then it falls on it's arse.
Buh... typing is from the "PC era of keyboards and mice"... You're so yesterday, man.
Personally, I'm waiting for apple to introduce a totally language-independent and text-free user interface next, since text is from the "era of ink and papyrus". An interface driven entirely by thought, since by then, touchscreen interfaces will also be from some previous era that required physical movement.
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They also claimed the iPhone 4 "Changes everything, again."
Strange, because I noticed on the day of release, the vast majority of things I regularly encounter seemed just the same as the day before.
Unless they are now taking credit for entropy.
Yeah, you do have to tune out their hype BS... It's a shame as I feel their hyping incremental upgrades actually detracts from the truly innovative introductions... :(
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Mirrored HDMI Output .OMG ....:) :)
What you see on the iPad is what you get on HDMI.....
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Mirrored HDMI Output .OMG ....:) :)
What you see on the iPad is what you get on HDMI.....
Nice feature, don't have an orgasm.
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Mirrored HDMI Output .OMG ....:) :)
What you see on the iPad is what you get on HDMI.....
Exactly, that does not warrant more than a bullet point on the PowerPoint slide :-/
I would point out that an app has always had access to the video out, but it has been the developer choice what to display on the video out. It's kinda nice to let the user some say in it :)
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Here is another reason the iPad is a unique device for musicians. You can now control your mixer from the iPad. Set up a wireless connection to it and it becomes the control surface for the mixer.
Each musician on stage can have direct access to their own mix (not necessarily a good idea) as well as being able to walk to the back of the venue, hear the mix and adjust it there and then via the ipad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J1VolxZqdE
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Dentunes i looked at your links earlier and i thought it was really cool being able to hook up your ipad up to a synth. It reminds me of when i was young and there were programs you could use that turned your Amiga keyboard into a synth. Really, really cool :)
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Dentunes i looked at your links earlier and i thought it was really cool being able to hook up your ipad up to a synth. It reminds me of when i was young and there were programs you could use that turned your Amiga keyboard into a synth. Really, really cool :)
Yeah, I am looking forward to them landing in store to try it out.
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Dentunes i looked at your links earlier and i thought it was really cool being able to hook up your ipad up to a synth. It reminds me of when i was young and there were programs you could use that turned your Amiga keyboard into a synth. Really, really cool :)
What do you mean were, there still is and you still can... :)
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I understand having legitimate complaints about iTunes. I've used it for years, and I personally like that it organizes and wraps a searchable database around my media files. I'm done with maintaining a filesystem heirarchy myself. And yes, the iDevice's display of some of this stuff is.. .awkward at best (put a compilation on an iDevce, then look at your "artists" listing -- it's a mess.) But complaining about lack of features that are actually there anyway is just silly.
Yep, select multiple files and select Get Info... and you can change as many or as few files as you like. Combine that with the near-instant search (more of a filter than a search IMHO) and it's quite easy to edit metadata as you like. And as for the filesystem heirarchy, it's an optional feature, but I really like it. So much in fact that I've replicated it in my own music player for the Amiga, along with the separate database and metadata handling. For the compilations, there's a checkbox - just select the album and check it and it'll reorganise them all. That also works for tracks which have featured artists, and to get them to all show up just use the "Album artist" field.
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4 TEH LULZ!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTtRd8nqaqg)
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Here is another reason the iPad is a unique device for musicians. You can now control your mixer from the iPad. Set up a wireless connection to it and it becomes the control surface for the mixer.
Each musician on stage can have direct access to their own mix (not necessarily a good idea) as well as being able to walk to the back of the venue, hear the mix and adjust it there and then via the ipad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J1VolxZqdE
Ive seen you trying to tout the iPad as a good tool for musicians a bit in this thread, but personally I just dont get it. In over 20 years of being a musician, Ive never once thought to myself "damn, I wish there was yet another unnecessary device involved here". Guitar <->rack<->mixer<->amps kinda covers it all. To insert another device adds absolutely nothing.
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Ive seen you trying to tout the iPad as a good tool for musicians a bit in this thread, but personally I just dont get it. In over 20 years of being a musician, Ive never once thought to myself "damn, I wish there was yet another unnecessary device involved here". Guitar <->rack<->mixer<->amps kinda covers it all. To insert another device adds absolutely nothing.
So you have never recorded yourself playing? Not one demo tape? Never used chord charts?
Tablets aren't for everyone. You don't need it. That is cool. At least 15 million people so far have a different opinion to that. Thankfully we are all different like that.
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So you have never recorded yourself playing? Not one demo tape?
I'ld rather let the mixer guy do his job than look like a desperate idiot up on stage showing off his i-fad (rather than making music).
Never used chord charts?
you don't need a chord chart if you know what you're doing.
:afro:
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What Garageband on the iPad offers to musicians is quite unique and gives the non musician a way to be creative without ever having to have handled a musical instrument. We could sit here all day debating the evil monopoly and closed source aspects of Apple products, but if said products get people doing creative things, it's win-win.
That being said, it probably won't hold much appeal for the professional and experienced musician, but it will most certainly give a lot of creativity to a lot of people that would have otherwise never considered creating music. Just like Garageband on the Mac, Fruityloops, etc. did.
Just like Deluxe Paint did for the Amiga - guys that couldn't draw a happyface with a pen and paper, it opens up a lot of creative avenues. I was one of those guys that had DPaint entirely rock my world when it came out, lol. I found it completely liberating considering I had no artistic skills to that point, and while I am a musician and probably won't learn much from the iPad/Garageband experience, there's no doubt it will open up a lot of creativeness for the common man.
My 2 bits anyways.
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I'ld rather let the mixer guy do his job than look like a desperate idiot up on stage showing off his i-fad (rather than making music).
you don't need a chord chart if you know what you're doing.
:afro:
And of course every guitarist knows what they are doing! How stupid of me to think otherwise! :)
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And of course every guitarist knows what they are doing! How stupid of me to think otherwise! :)
Q. How many guitarists does it take to change a light globe ?
A. Two. One to change he light globe and the other to say he could have done it better :)
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What Garageband on the iPad offers to musicians is quite unique and gives the non musician a way to be creative without ever having to have handled a musical instrument. We could sit here all day debating the evil monopoly and closed source aspects of Apple products, but if said products get people doing creative things, it's win-win.
I agree, any device that gets people creative rather than destructive is a good thing.
That being said, it probably won't hold much appeal for the professional and experienced musician, but it will most certainly give a lot of creativity to a lot of people that would have otherwise never considered creating music. Just like Garageband on the Mac, Fruityloops, etc. did.
Actually, I could see myself using this to record demos, it saves out as a Logic compatible file so it would actually be my preferred way to record a demo!
Just like Deluxe Paint did for the Amiga - guys that couldn't draw a happyface with a pen and paper, it opens up a lot of creative avenues. I was one of those guys that had DPaint entirely rock my world when it came out, lol. I found it completely liberating considering I had no artistic skills to that point, and while I am a musician and probably won't learn much from the iPad/Garageband experience, there's no doubt it will open up a lot of creativeness for the common man.
And this is what we have forgotten after 25years! New technology brings creativity to a larger audience. The Amiga introduced me to music... Without the tracker I would never have been able to learn how to compose, arrange and even build my own sounds. My gut instinct is distrustful of the music-made-easy of the iPad, but I'm just being old and outdated :)
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Ive seen you trying to tout the iPad as a good tool for musicians a bit in this thread, but personally I just dont get it. In over 20 years of being a musician, Ive never once thought to myself "damn, I wish there was yet another unnecessary device involved here". Guitar <->rack<->mixer<->amps kinda covers it all. To insert another device adds absolutely nothing.
Well, I wouldn't let a guitarist near anything technical... That's why you have synth guys in a band ;)
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And this is what we have forgotten after 25years! New technology brings creativity to a larger audience. The Amiga introduced me to music... Without the tracker I would never have been able to learn how to compose, arrange and even build my own sounds. My gut instinct is distrustful of the music-made-easy of the iPad, but I'm just being old and outdated :)
OK i know this may be off topic but....
Imho it depends on what you called music. There is a problem with music being made easy in that it becomes harder and harder to seperate the talent from the talentless. Singers who are tone deaf are suddenly good singers. Talentless popstars like brittney spears are now being called artists etc, etc. In that regard i think creation should be a challenge and not have it put into your lap by using an ipad.
On the otherhand having a studio on your computer makes a lot of sense for a professional musican. Professional studios cost hundreds of thousands to buy or rent and having the equivalent on your pc for a few thousand dollars is a huge benefit to everyone involved. Why spend all that money on a professional tv studio when you can buy a video toaster A2000?
Sorry for going off topic :)
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Well, I wouldn't let a guitarist near anything technical... That's why you have synth guys in a band ;)
Until your 'friends' unplug your keyboard and don't tell you and you find out an hour into the show ;)
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There is a problem with music being made easy in that it becomes harder and harder to seperate the talent from the talentless.
No, it really doesn't. Whilst you can in fact polish a turd (mythbusters proved that beyond doubt) you're still left with shiny shit at the end of the day.
Genuinely talented artists will stand out. These days however you have to look outside of the mainstream to find much of that talent, which requires effort on the part of the listener. Seems not many people or at least too few are prepared to go to that effort.
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Well, I wouldn't let a guitarist near anything technical... That's why you have synth guys in a band ;)
I'd have to say an effects rack can be pretty darn technical. Sure, it may not have a shiney interface, but it has lots of buttons. I like buttons :)
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OK i know this may be off topic but....
Imho it depends on what you called music. There is a problem with music being made easy in that it becomes harder and harder to seperate the talent from the talentless. Singers who are tone deaf are suddenly good singers.
Personally, I don't care. I don't care if the result is because the artist is good or because he/she is good at picking tools that mask their weaknesses. What I care about is the end product. If the end product sounds good, then I'll listen.
If the whole thing was composed and arranged by an artificial intelligence, and all the artist did was press a button, then so be it.
All this does is *change* the skills and talent that is required to make works that stand out.
Then again, most of the music I like the most is largely electronic...
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Personally, I don't care. I don't care if the result is because the artist is good or because he/she is good at picking tools that mask their weaknesses. What I care about is the end product. If the end product sounds good, then I'll listen.
If the whole thing was composed and arranged by an artificial intelligence, and all the artist did was press a button, then so be it.
All this does is *change* the skills and talent that is required to make works that stand out.
Then again, most of the music I like the most is largely electronic...
Gawd... what a sad & crazy statement to make... :(
How on earth could you class someone as an Artist if all they did "was press a button"... :(
What "skills and talent" does it take to carry out this monumental task of pressing a button in order to become an Artist... :(
Oh look, I just pressed the button for me front door bell and it's playing a wee tune, wow I must be an Artist... :D
Without going into my likes & dislikes of what I call music and artists, a simple fact remains if an Artist or Band cant play well live then they are indeed talentless... :)
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For a thread that started talking about an iPad it really has branched out into many different discussions from iTunes to guitar effects processors.
Love it!
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Gawd... what a sad & crazy statement to make... :(
How on earth could you class someone as an Artist if all they did "was press a button"... :(
The point I was making is that what I care about it the product, it doesn't matter much to me how they get to that product. Obviously, if all they needed to do was pressing a button, the real artist would be whomever developed the system actually producing the music.
Without going into my likes & dislikes of what I call music and artists, a simple fact remains if an Artist or Band cant play well live then they are indeed talentless... :)
I disagree. Playing live vs. composing music vs. putting on a good stage show are three different, orthogonal skills, and few artists have all three.
For something that exemplifies this well, look at electronic music pioneers like Jarre and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk aren't even on stage during the performance of some of their work, and most of the members are for larger parts of the shows pretty much just performing stage shows rather than playing music (one of them triggers a speech synthesizer instead of singing himself, for example), though they *can* play too.
Jarre does tend to play and have band members play, but it's largely theatrics as most of his pieces could easily enough just be pre-programmed into his synths.
In both cases their main talent is composing and the stage shows, and actually playing the music live is an optional element.
On the other hand, most pop artists these days don't compose their own material - their talent is performing, not composing or writing lyrics.
Which ones are the true "artists"? It depends entirely on what aspect you find most interesting. I care about the music, not the performance beyond what is needed to make it sound good.
If their performance can be assisted by tools, I really don't care, as long as the end result is good. If the tools become the majority of their performance, all that changes is that their talents are in how they use the tools rather than in singing or playing an instrument - they still need to find a way to make their performance stand out.
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For a thread that started talking about an iPad it really has branched out into many different discussions from iTunes to guitar effects processors.
Love it!
Talking about anything other than the iPad can only be a good thing, after all this is an Amiga forum and the iPad has about as much relevance here as all the other off topic stuff going on... :D
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@ vidarth
You don't have to be able to see (ie:you could be blind) to enjoy a good live band, yes it's about the music whether it's carefully crafted and produced in a studio or played well live on stage, if your at a live concert and just staring at the band then your not really enjoying the musical performance... :)
At a live show you should hardly notice the actual band on stage as you should be lost in a world of dance and listening to the music... :)
Yes most of these talentless wonder these days don't write their own music or lyrics or even have the skill to play an instrument, but even the biggest bands ever in the world (for example the Rolling Stones) never wrote all their own music, success for bands such as them was mostly down to the lead singers vocal talents and the band members ability and skill to play their own instruments... :)
Trouble is since the days of Stock, Aitken and Waterman, music (and I use that term loosely) has been manufactured to make as much money as possible by taking mostly talentless wonders to create a glossy image that is bought by a public who wouldn't know or appreciate good music if it slapped them in the face... :)
Point is, you can take someone off the street or one of those crappy so called talent shows on tv and and sell absolute shite to the vast majority of people these days just because they think it's the latest thing and is cool and trendy (a bit like the iPad), when at the end of the day it's nothing but crap bought by sheep because they don't want to be the odd one out or have the guts to stand up and say this is a load of BS... :)
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The abilities of the ipad in turning crap into talent has obvious limitations as seen below when someone tried to 'talentise' Doomy's smash hit single 'Only Amiga' :hammer:
(http://www.iphoneapplist.net/upimg/allimg/090326/14261BK9-0.PNG)
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aaand roll VT... :D
[youtube]3PH2OGWsDb0[/youtube]
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Set doomy free. To sell iPad vOnes to unsuspecting ebayers...
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Set doomy free. To sell iPad vOnes to unsuspecting ebayers...
They'd have to be full military spec of course... :)
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I saw a few military spec eye pads on a recent doco on a US field hosp in afghanistan. But they were of the surgical cotton type.
Waa waa wa waaahhh.
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Samplers were once evil hardware for talentless wannabes, so were computer based sequencers, so were virtual instruments, same for time stretching, pitch shifting, auto tune and other effects done in software.
For the last few years a 100% software based studio has been possible due to increasing hardware speeds, this in turn led to the reality of the portable studio due to laptop technology.
A tablet today has the performance of a top spec laptop from a few years ago and with it this opens new areas of innovation and experimentation for producers and musicians just like all the evil new products that came before them such as multitrack tape recorders and guitars that plug into the mains.
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iPads and Android tablets are not going away anytime soon, they're just too darn convenient. You don't really understand them until you actually have one. Once you have one you get it. iPad has the software and momentum. Android the army of manufacturers much like the PCs. It will be interesting and fun to see how this plays out.
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iPads and Android tablets are not going away anytime soon, they're just too darn convenient. You don't really understand them until you actually have one. Once you have one you get it. iPad has the software and momentum. Android the army of manufacturers much like the PCs. It will be interesting and fun to see how this plays out.
What's convenient about carrying an overgrown mobile phone around with you, not to mention the fact that it just makes you look like a pretentious twat... :D
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Use one, then comment. There's nothing pretentious about it, it does a job that no other bit of tech kit does. iPad, Android tablets, RIM's Play thing, HP's Maeamo Slate. It's a bit like the PC world of the '80s where Amiga was born.
What's convenient about carrying an overgrown mobile phone around with you, not to mention the fact that it just makes you look like a pretentious twat... :D
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Use one, then comment. There's nothing pretentious about it, it does a job that no other bit of tech kit does. iPad, Android tablets, RIM's Play thing, HP's Maeamo Slate. It's a bit like the PC world of the '80s where Amiga was born.
I have used one, my nephews, which he has for the last 3 months or so left lying in a cupboard unused and it's nothing more than a glorified extra large mobile phone... :)
Nothing like the PC world of the 80s or the Amiga, we didn't walk down the street or sit on a train with an A1000 & monitor under our arm or sitting on our lap to try and look cool... :lol:
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Samplers were once evil hardware for talentless wannabes, so were computer based sequencers, so were virtual instruments, same for time stretching, pitch shifting, auto tune and other effects done in software.
For the last few years a 100% software based studio has been possible due to increasing hardware speeds, this in turn led to the reality of the portable studio due to laptop technology.
A tablet today has the performance of a top spec laptop from a few years ago and with it this opens new areas of innovation and experimentation for producers and musicians just like all the evil new products that came before them such as multitrack tape recorders and guitars that plug into the mains.
Which is exactly what i said in a post yesterday. Maybe you should get your eyes checked and stop repeating posts.
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Nothing like the PC world of the 80s or the Amiga, we didn't walk down the street or sit on a train with an A1000 & monitor under our arm or sitting on our lap to try and look cool... :lol:
So everyone DIDN'T do that? I used to do it because i thought everyone did it and i didn't want to be different :(
P.S. i use to pretend it was a gettoblaster and thought i was as cool as s**t :)
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I didnt care for the first one and don't care for the second one. What's the big deal of the second one, the new Android tablets coming out are superior by far. Apple is so closed and so controlled I'll pass. The new one looks like the old one with a few more advances..oooohhhh. As a long time Amiga owner, user and lover I find that every year Apple becomes more and more closed, controlling and not for me. For peats sakes why is it sooooo hard to just add a removable media slot or USB slot? I'll tell u why because they are money and power hungry. No memory slot means you can never upgrade the memory (well at least not unless you take it apart) so you have to buy the more expensive model. No USB???? Come on give me a break, Apple doesn't listen to what people want, they just give u what they think you want. If they added USB then you would be able to hook up a real Keyboard and mouse, but without it then you have to pay $39 for their stupid accessories to have one. If Apple really was for the customers then they would have removable batteries, USB, Removable media to say as a start, the things people have complained about since day one. If you like Apple that's cool, but for me its the openess and uncontrolling world of Android.
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Gawd... what a sad & crazy statement to make... :(
How on earth could you class someone as an Artist if all they did "was press a button"... :(
What "skills and talent" does it take to carry out this monumental task of pressing a button in order to become an Artist... :(
Oh look, I just pressed the button for me front door bell and it's playing a wee tune, wow I must be an Artist... :D
Without going into my likes & dislikes of what I call music and artists, a simple fact remains if an Artist or Band cant play well live then they are indeed talentless... :)
Technology already exists that can propel totally talentless musically retarded emotionally brain dead morons to massive success, you only have to look at the musically inept "Black Eyed Peas" as a prime example. They can't make music and they are horrible live... The general public love them...
But I've toured with musicians much much more talented than myself, who have never even achieved what little success I did...
I guess popular arts have always been this way, technology will always allow the talentless to suceed, but it will also be used by the brilliant to make something that will be remembered for the rest of civilisation :)
The black eyed peas will be forgotten tomorrow, because they are shit... But other truely tallented artists using the same technology will be remembered. :)
*disclaimer I don't like the black eyed peas.
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Technology already exists that can propel totally talentless musically retarded emotionally brain dead morons to massive success, you only have to look at the musically inept "Black Eyed Peas" as a prime example. They can't make music and they are horrible live... The general public love them...
But I've toured with musicians much much more talented than myself, who have never even achieved what little success I did...
I guess popular arts have always been this way, technology will always allow the talentless to suceed, but it will also be used by the brilliant to make something that will be remembered for the rest of civilisation :)
The black eyed peas will be forgotten tomorrow, because they are shit... But other truely tallented artists using the same technology will be remembered. :)
*disclaimer I don't like the black eyed peas.
Please provide examples of these truely talented artists that will be remembered. I want to listen :)
The first artist that comes into my head are the Chemical Brothers and maybe Lady Gaga :)
Overrated would be the Prodigy - they are shit.
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Please provide examples of these truely talented artists that will be remembered. I want to listen :)
I was thinking of the pioneers of the last 50 years, from the introduction of the electric guitar, the multitrack recording studio, the analogue synth, the sampler and the DAW... All these things have been used and abused... But now we only remember the artists who were good... Not necessarily who were the most popular :)
The first artist that comes into my head are the Chemical Brothers and maybe Lady Gaga :)
not overly impressed by Lady Gaga, she doesn't write or compose the music (she has "input" to get a credit, but that is often little more than sitting with the production team during a session), but her production team have found a formula that does work and they use it well.
Overrated would be the Prodigy - they are shit.
I'm no fan of the Prodigy, but Liam Howlett's smapler work on Fat of the Land is exceptional. I would have to say that Fat of the Land was really pushing the boundaries for samplers at the time, it's easy to do all that stuff now... But to do it on a few Roland W-30s and akai samplers in the late 90s was amazing. I would say that if you listen to that album from a technical stand point you will appreciate it more :)
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you only have to look at the musically inept "Black Eyed Peas" as a prime example. They can't make music and they are horrible live...
I wouldn't know, but for me they are (just like the Gaga) radio-music. Stuff that I will turn the volume up when I hear while snailing along the Autobahn (read when music ist just background entertainment.
I would never ever buy a record by them and when I really ! listen ! to music I tend to get somewhat away from the mainstream (sometimes only a little bit sometimes right into the land of the bizzare).
*disclaimer I don't like the black eyed peas.
Who would have thought .....
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But to do it on a few Roland W-30s and akai samplers in the late 90s was amazing. I would say that if you listen to that album from a technical stand point you will appreciate it more :)
Man, haven't heard the W-30 mentioned in ages. Nothing like a keyboard that required floppy disks to load the operating system in before you could use it!
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I wouldn't know, but for me they are (just like the Gaga) radio-music. Stuff that I will turn the volume up when I hear while snailing along the Autobahn (read when music ist just background entertainment.
I would never ever buy a record by them and when I really ! listen ! to music I tend to get somewhat away from the mainstream (sometimes only a little bit sometimes right into the land of the bizzare).
Who would have thought .....
Were you aware the new Korg keyboard is called Kronos?
Maybe you changed your name to be like it, I don't know.
PS I may have already said this before. I have a shocking memory.
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I wouldn't know, but for me they are (just like the Gaga) radio-music. Stuff that I will turn the volume up when I hear while snailing along the Autobahn (read when music ist just background entertainment.
Speaking of the Autobahn, Kraftwerk are an example of remembered pioneers, others produced music using synthesisers around the same time, but we tend to forget them as they didn't do anything great... /me puts Man Machine on iPod :)
I would never ever buy a record by them and when I really ! listen ! to music I tend to get somewhat away from the mainstream (sometimes only a little bit sometimes right into the land of the bizzare).
Me too, I recently bought Unheilig's last album (Grosse Freiheit)... Probably quite mainstream in Germany, but unusual here in the UK :)
Who would have thought .....
I know! Weird huh... But the clues were there if you look for them ;) :lol:
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Man, haven't heard the W-30 mentioned in ages. Nothing like a keyboard that required floppy disks to load the operating system in before you could use it!
I still have a W-30 here, with 7seconds of sample time you have to be very clever how you use it. I keep it around (much like my Amigas), because it add a very unique "colour" to the audio... 12bit sampler and real analogue filters (and probabaly the age of the components) are just unique :)
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Me too, I recently bought Unheilig's last album (Grosse Freiheit)... Probably quite mainstream in Germany, but unusual here in the UK :)
*shrug*
DM are mainstream too, doesn't mean I stop buying ....
Bout Unheilig, my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NS4UbYdBZE
Talking bout somewhat mainstream but still weird on UTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrR6nSF3TU
Sounds like it was made with Amiga ;) Sisters meet Lotus-Turbo-Esprit :) *
*disclaimer : I really like the sisters, right to the point of admitting being a fan
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*shrug*
DM are mainstream too, doesn't mean I stop buying ....
Another synth/sampler pioneer (and for me, a musical pioneer too).
Bout Unheilig, my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NS4UbYdBZE
Love it! :)
Talking bout somewhat mainstream but still weird on UTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrR6nSF3TU
Sounds like it was made with Amiga ;) Sisters meet Lotus-Turbo-Esprit :) *
*disclaimer : I really like the sisters, right to the point of admitting being a fan
:lol:
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I guess popular arts have always been this way, technology will always allow the talentless to suceed, but it will also be used by the brilliant to make something that will be remembered for the rest of civilisation :)
I likes them words... ;)
All this talk about music has reminded me of a question that I've often asked folk but never had an answer too... :)
Why does no-one invent new musical instruments anymore, I mean pianos, guitars the sax etc.. were all invented gawd knows how long ago, but other than synths why has no-one ever invented a new musical instrument that has caught on like the afore-mentioned... :confused:
(Always puzzled me has that... :))
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I still have a W-30 here, with 7seconds of sample time you have to be very clever how you use it. I keep it around (much like my Amigas), because it add a very unique "colour" to the audio... 12bit sampler and real analogue filters (and probabaly the age of the components) are just unique :)
I have a Roland MT-32 still sitting between my two Apple Cinema Displays for old school gaming (Space Quest, Leisure Suit Larry and pretty much every other Sierra game back then). It doesn't get much use for gigs anymore, like it did back in the early 90's
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I likes them words... ;)
All this talk about music has reminded me of a question that I've often asked folk but never had an answer too... :)
Why does no-one invent new musical instruments anymore, I mean pianos, guitars the sax etc.. were all invented gawd knows how long ago, but other than synths why has no-one ever invented a new musical instrument that has caught on like the afore-mentioned... :confused:
(Always puzzled me has that... :))
That's easy. It's because everything has already been invented. There's nothing more to invent. It's like maths - all maths has been discovered. So i guess the only thing to do now is not to try and invent but find different ways of using what we already have. In Australia there is a Ukulele revival going on so i guess that's a new way to use an instrument that has been around forever. Really quite funny when you think about it because it's not even Australian! :)
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That's easy. It's because everything has already been invented. There's nothing more to invent. It's like maths - all maths has been discovered. So i guess the only thing to do now is not to try and invent but find different ways of using what we already have. In Australia there is a Ukulele revival going on so i guess that's a new way to use an instrument that has been around forever. Really quite funny when you think about it because it's not even Australian! :)
So you are at Gold Coasts's Nobby's Beach. The ukulele revival is due to schools replacing recorders with them. I guess they believe more people will play guitar than Brass/Woodwind so have selected Ukulele instead.
Don't I know it, running one of the Allans Music + Billy Hyde stores down here in Melbourne. Ukulele sales at Christmas were just stupid!
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I didn't know you were from Australia :)
Actually i'm not on the Gold Coast i'm in Newcastle :)
So do you think it is just a fad or is it going to stay?
I prefer recorders myself :)
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I didn't know you were from Australia :)
Actually i'm not on the Gold Coast i'm in Newcastle :)
So do you think it is just a fad or is it going to stay?
I prefer recorders myself :)
Probably both will stay and students will choose. There is no point pushing B&O (Band and Orchestral) onto students if they don't want to do them. Guitars are not going anywhere and the schools are adapting.
Ukeleles are in the same price point as recorders. It allows students to buy them cheap and begin their path to guitar stardom. I don't think it is a fad.
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I was thinking of the pioneers of the last 50 years, from the introduction of the electric guitar, the multitrack recording studio, the analogue synth, the sampler and the DAW... All these things have been used and abused... But now we only remember the artists who were good... Not necessarily who were the most popular :)
not overly impressed by Lady Gaga, she doesn't write or compose the music (she has "input" to get a credit, but that is often little more than sitting with the production team during a session), but her production team have found a formula that does work and they use it well.
I'm no fan of the Prodigy, but Liam Howlett's smapler work on Fat of the Land is exceptional. I would have to say that Fat of the Land was really pushing the boundaries for samplers at the time, it's easy to do all that stuff now... But to do it on a few Roland W-30s and akai samplers in the late 90s was amazing. I would say that if you listen to that album from a technical stand point you will appreciate it more :)
I stumbled across this little gem of a site last night, i thought you'd appreciate it too! :)
http://www.synthmania.com/Famous%20Sounds.htm
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I stumbled across this little gem of a site last night, i thought you'd appreciate it too! :)
http://www.synthmania.com/Famous%20Sounds.htm
D50 Fantasia had to be there lol
Some classic sounds in there.
Jump Brass (Synth Brass) was missing though lol
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D50 Fantasia had to be there lol
Some classic sounds in there.
Eddie Van Halen's famous Jump brass always makes me smile when i hear it in other tunes. :)
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Jump Brass (Synth Brass) was missing though lol
Nah it's there, i actually found that site whilst googling for the name of a mid 90's Italo-house tune that sampled Jump that I've forgotten the name of. (It also samples an Afrika Bambaata acapella too if anyone remembers it?)
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Nah it's there, i actually found that site whilst googling for the name of a mid 90's Italo-house tune that sampled Jump that I've forgotten the name of. (It also samples an Afrika Bambaata acapella too if anyone remembers it?)
Yes it is. I missed it.
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I used to work in the piano department before running the store and I used these common sounds in the demos.
Also on these I used Wurly for "Moving on up" M People I think it was.
Clavinet for "Superstition" (All black keys, easier for Stevie to play)
Organ for "Whiter shade of pale"
and many more.
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Nothing like the PC world of the 80s or the Amiga, we didn't walk down the street or sit on a train with an A1000 & monitor under our arm or sitting on our lap to try and look cool... :lol:
That actually reminds me of an old TV commercial in the days of dial-up ISPs here in Sweden. I found it on the tube but its incomplete, the full commercial depicts 2 guys sitting in front of computers and tapping away when a sound distracts them and they both turn around, and theres a third guy in the door, with smoke and a bright light behind him, holding something under his arm. He walks in and sits down next to the two first guys and takes the object from under his arm, which turns out to be an A600, and places it on the desk. He then pushes a couple of buttons and one of the two other guys exclaims "How can he afford that?!?" in a fake german accent.
The slogan of the ISP was "Surf crazy-cheap"
So in the mind of that ISP, guys who were walking around with A600s were damn cool, as you can see in the commercial. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRISPqo-BSU&feature=related
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@ Orjan
:) I suppose in it's day the A600 being that wee bit smaller it could have been used as a portable device, just reckon the car battery to power it and cathode ray tube monitor may have been a wee bit awkward though... :lol:
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Never really had too much interest in tablets until Android powered ones showed up on eBay in the $100 range, and then I never felt like waiting for a month for one to show up from China. That problem went away when CVS (pharmacy) started carrying a $99 one, and it became a definite impulse buy at $79 with coupon.
So far, in the last two days I've rooted it and flashed two new firmwares, gotten it WiFi tethered to my cellphone for data everywhere, and with it checked all three of my email accounts multiple times, beaten a bartender at Scrabble twice, paid a speeding ticket, checked/updated Facebook, edited a photograph, remote controlled a server in my garage, streamed music from a webserver, created music (yeah, right) with Ethereal Dialpad, watched videos on Youtube, and posted on Amiga.org.
Fairly useful little toy, even if typing on a touchscreen still stinks.
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Fairly useful little toy, even if typing on a touchscreen still stinks.
http://beta.swype.com
I've got big shovel hands and can't type on a touch screen without this.
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Never really had too much interest in tablets until Android powered ones showed up on eBay in the $100 range, and then I never felt like waiting for a month for one to show up from China. That problem went away when CVS (pharmacy) started carrying a $99 one, and it became a definite impulse buy at $79 with coupon.
So far, in the last two days I've rooted it and flashed two new firmwares, gotten it WiFi tethered to my cellphone for data everywhere, and with it checked all three of my email accounts multiple times, beaten a bartender at Scrabble twice, paid a speeding ticket, checked/updated Facebook, edited a photograph, remote controlled a server in my garage, streamed music from a webserver, created music (yeah, right) with Ethereal Dialpad, watched videos on Youtube, and posted on Amiga.org.
Fairly useful little toy, even if typing on a touchscreen still stinks.
Sounds good!!!
What was the make/model??
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One of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/7-inch-CRAIG-Wireless-Touch-Screen-Tablet-Andriod-2-/390296430598?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5adf7ae806
I imagine they're flying out of the local stores like hotcakes at $99.
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One of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/7-inch-CRAIG-Wireless-Touch-Screen-Tablet-Andriod-2-/390296430598?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5adf7ae806
I imagine they're flying out of the local stores like hotcakes at $99.
And coming back in at a similar rate when they find the battery life is measured in minutes and the install of Android broken to the point that you can't access the app market.
A lot of the el cheapo Android tablets suffer similar issues, apparently.
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True, as purchased it wasn't much fun, I'd flashed it within 15 minutes of opening the box to get everything (including the Market) working.
Battery life isn't terrible, 3-4 hours with WiFi on I'd guess. There seems to be enough room inside the case for slightly larger batteries, though!
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Battery life isn't terrible, 3-4 hours with WiFi on I'd guess. There seems to be enough room inside the case for slightly larger batteries, though!
That's good to know, I wonder if the borked install some of these pads come with is the cause of such poor performance.
Also, I suspect you've got your next hardware hacking project staring at you with that space :D
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That's good to know, I wonder if the borked install some of these pads come with is the cause of such poor performance.
It's partially the companies throwing any processor they can find (ARM7 and ARM 9 are not really suitable) but then they screw up the software as well.
There are much faster tablets on the market already (Coretex-A9 @ $150) but it remains to be seen if they can get the software integration better.
I expect it'll get better but it'll take time.
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I stumbled across this little gem of a site last night, i thought you'd appreciate it too! :)
http://www.synthmania.com/Famous%20Sounds.htm
Some very recognisable sounds there.
I now understand why the Roland JX10 is so underrated*. The factory sounds are a complete rip off of the DX7!
read as "remarkably cheap on eBay!"
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Oh gawd... the numpties are out in force again... :rolleyes:
iPAD 2 sales New Customers (or as I call em, Guillible Fools... :)) (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-ipad-2-sales-new-customers-buying-analysts-see-big-launch/46030?tag=nl.e539)
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Oh gawd... the numpties are out in force again... :rolleyes:
iPAD 2 sales New Customers (or as I call em, Guillible Fools... :)) (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-ipad-2-sales-new-customers-buying-analysts-see-big-launch/46030?tag=nl.e539)
Having played with an iPad the other day, I have to say it is a very swish piece of kit. Not something I need or particularly want, but I can see the appeal as well as the potential.
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Having played with an iPad the other day, I have to say it is a very swish piece of kit. Not something I need or particularly want, but I can see the appeal as well as the potential.
During the night I saw a clip about it on one of the 24 hour news channels, the reporter asked one guy "why did you queue to buy it" the guy replied with "not sure but I'm the first amongst my friends to own one... cool eh..."... :lol:
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During the night I saw a clip about it on one of the 24 hour news channels, the reporter asked one guy "why did you queue to buy it" the guy replied with "not sure but I'm the first amongst my friends to own one... cool eh..."... :lol:
Just because my particular lifestyle and technology needs aren't met by a given device doesn't mean that others won't be.
My friend uses hers as a portable movie player, gaming and streaming device to help get through longer shifts, especially night shifts.
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Do Apple ever get things right first time when they release something... :)
Light Leakage on iPAD2 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/light-leakage-affecting-some-ipad-2-owners/11863?tag=nl.e550)
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Do Apple ever get things right first time when they release something... :)
Light Leakage on iPAD2 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/light-leakage-affecting-some-ipad-2-owners/11863?tag=nl.e550)
I've had any number of backlit lcd devices that have had such problems over the years, by far the worst was the Sega Game Gear in my experience. If you read the article the first poster actually points out that it's a glue issue - it takes a while for it to cure. Once done the issue goes away. Obviously even with the best will in the world there will be slight differences even on a fully automated production line when dealing with things like glue.
It should also be pointed out that another poster in that thread states his Motorola zoom suffers the same trouble.