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Offline utri007Topic starter

Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« on: July 23, 2017, 05:58:51 PM »
I have heard that Apollo accelerators has a unstandard way to Access Chip memory. It supposed to be faster than Blizzard accelerators has.

Now I have a two 68060 66mhz accelerators Blizzard and Apollo.

So I decide to make a module.

Apollo is a LOT faster! Not just Chip RAM but also hard drive speed.
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A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
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Offline mechy

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2017, 09:42:21 PM »
Interesting tests..
Are you using the same hd for both tests?
Is the blizzard kicked into synchronous mode on scsi? or is it on ide?
 

Offline a1200

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2017, 10:43:32 PM »
I have heard this about the Apollo vs Blizzard. My understanding is if you want to overclock/go for raw benchmarks you go Apollo, if you leave at 50MHz, want stable and most compatible as an 060 can be, go Blizzard.
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Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2017, 11:40:47 PM »
Hard drive test are made with internal IDE. Hard driuves are different, 2.5 and 3.5, so tests are not so accurate with them. Apollo has a 3.5 drive and Blizzard 2.5 drive.

SysInfo test tells about 800kb faster IDE with APollo than Blizzard.

Chip ram operations are accurate. Both Amigas has same kickstart and pacthes.

Chip ram operations are 1.39x - 1.55x faster with Apollo and that is a lot. Not just few prosents wich I waited to see.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline NovaCoder

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 01:32:16 AM »
Quote from: utri007;828597
I have heard that Apollo accelerators has a unstandard way to Access Chip memory. It supposed to be faster than Blizzard accelerators has.

Now I have a two 68060 66mhz accelerators Blizzard and Apollo.

So I decide to make a module.

Apollo is a LOT faster! Not just Chip RAM but also hard drive speed.


I once did a couple of SysSpeed Modules to compare a Blizzard vs Apollo (both patched to the max and running @ 80Mhz)

Apollo_1260_80Mhz_AGA

Blizzy_1260_80Mhz_AGA

:)
Life begins at 100 MIPS!


Nice Ports on AmiNet!
 

Offline mechy

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 01:47:38 AM »
Quote from: utri007;828609
Hard drive test are made with internal IDE. Hard driuves are different, 2.5 and 3.5, so tests are not so accurate with them. Apollo has a 3.5 drive and Blizzard 2.5 drive.

SysInfo test tells about 800kb faster IDE with APollo than Blizzard.

Chip ram operations are accurate. Both Amigas has same kickstart and pacthes.

Chip ram operations are 1.39x - 1.55x faster with Apollo and that is a lot. Not just few prosents wich I waited to see.

the bliz scsi would likely give you 4x~ faster speed,but good to know what comparison was made.
 

Offline trixster

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 10:22:46 AM »
How does fast ram compare?
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Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 01:40:34 PM »
Blizzard is marginally faster, something like 0,5%

Generally to get 80mhz CPU like Novacoder did, ram speed needs to be decraded. After that Apollo has ofcouse much slover ram. But with 66mhz no need to decrade ram speed.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2017, 03:40:01 AM »
I have an Apollo 1260.  Which 68060 libraries should I use for best performance and compatibility?  Which FPU patcher?
 

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Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2017, 05:54:30 AM »
Quote from: stefcep2;828673
I have an Apollo 1260.  Which 68060 libraries should I use for best performance and compatibility?  Which FPU patcher?
There is only one that is still supported.
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Apollo 68060 chip memory acess speed
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2017, 06:54:53 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;828677
There is only one that is still supported.


Both Amigas uses mmulibs

http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD