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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Application questions and support => Topic started by: ssolie on October 20, 2015, 01:22:28 AM
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Greetings!
AmiWest 2015 is over and it was a great time. Now post your questions/comments/queries and I will attempt to clarify what I said at the show.
Steven Solie
AmigaOS Development Team Lead
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@ssolie
thanks for opening this thread. i'm sure there will be plenty of questions. :)
@thread
we're going to moderate this thread fairly closely. please keep your posts limited to appropriate questions for steven. thanks!
-- eliyahu
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@ssolie
Great presentation at the show. I found it straightforward and realistic. Thanks!
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Great presentation at the show. I found it straightforward and realistic. Thanks!
How strange. Usually people are reading between the lines and filling the gaps with all sorts of fascinating fiction. ;)
@all
Seriously though, I am willing to answer any questions. This is a limited time offer because I need to get back to shipping a couple of important projects: X5000 and A1222. I don't have a lot of time for web forums these days.
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I've heard you have some sort of post 4.2 road map. Can you tell us something about what it contains? :)
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Great to see the open discussions we had at the show about all NG systems! Will this continue, I sure hope so. This is what we need as a community since merging is out of the question.
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@ssolie
i forgot to ask you this before i left, so i'll do here: what's the longterm plan for improving the printing architecture for AOS4? currently i can use modern printers, but only if they're postscript. the third-party photosmart driver also helps, but i max out at 600dpi.
is there any possibility of integrating something like CUPS?
-- eliyahu
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Any plans for an updated network stack/library? That means updated bsdsocket.library/SANA-II/Roadshow. Maybe some low level stuff like setting speed/duplex/auto-negotiation on/off (via the driver).
Related: X1000 NIC driver? The legend tells there's one but that it has some nasty bug. Any more info regarding that?
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@SSolie
Hi,
1) Regarding A-Eon ALICE project, is Hyperion plan to increase the RAM & GFX memory of OS4 Classic ?
2) Why AmiUpdate is no more used to deliver OS4 updates ?
Thank you, by advance, for your reply
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Do you plan on releasing info on some of the internal APIs so the the users can contribute in hardware support ? I'm thinking about the processor HAL and the Picasso driver API.
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Hi Steven!
Thank you for that nice thread.
One simple question... we can see x5000 AND Tabor with OS4.x in action before Xmass?
Ireally think that many of us here was wondering how much that two system can do...
Thank you! I really think that since you are here communication from OS4 developers and community was better.
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Steven,
Does the X5000 have the same Xorro + PCIe X1 slot setup?
Has there been any talks about a proper proto board for the slot?
Thank You.
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Steven,
Does the X5000 have the same Xorro + PCIe X1 slot setup?
Has there been any talks about a proper proto board for the slot?
Thank You.
Steve isn't needed to answer that, its got an 'X' prefix, so yes its got a Xena slot.
BTW Steve - We really are interested in getting some benchmarks on the X5000.
Looks to be the most capable PPC board thus far introduced for our market.
As for Tabor, the initial bench results (once OS4 runs on it) may be lower than could be generated once the fpu trapping/emulation software has matured.
AND, I want an X5000/040, so...
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@SSolie
Hi,
I have another question
-Thore and Jens allow all user to test OS4 MUI4 beta builds at their own risks. Why not do the same and allow ALL users to test OS4 beta builds ?
As you said, OS4 is a hobby for OS4 devs too, therefore it's normal that dev is slow but it could allow the standard users to have fix without to have to wait sometimes 1 year between beta fix availability and public availability.
Thank you
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@ssolie
- is the work done under the hood to implement multicore will allow a better memory protection if not full?
-I read that AEON is planning also a wiki, will you give them the dev docs for classics system since they're looking for dev to program new stuff for this systems?
Kamelito
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@SSolie
Hi,
I have another question
-Thore and Jens allow all user to test OS4 MUI4 beta builds at their own risks. Why not do the same and allow ALL users to test OS4 beta builds ?
As you said, OS4 is a hobby for OS4 devs too, therefore it's normal that dev is slow but it could allow the standard users to have fix without to have to wait sometimes 1 year between beta fix availability and public availability.
Thank you
+1
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@SSolie
Hi,
I have another question
-Thore and Jens allow all user to test OS4 MUI4 beta builds at their own risks. Why not do the same and allow ALL users to test OS4 beta builds ?
As you said, OS4 is a hobby for OS4 devs too, therefore it's normal that dev is slow but it could allow the standard users to have fix without to have to wait sometimes 1 year between beta fix availability and public availability.
Thank you
I know this question is for ssolie but I can answer from beta testing perspective:
A few advanced users such as yourself maybe able to cope with the system being in permanent beta, but do you really want your machine rendered useless at random? Having to work out which revision broke it? Complete breaks aren't that common, but they do occur, and fixes can take time to find, and need you to verify that each update works or not.
Many other users simply wouldn't cope and the result would end up with alot of negativity.
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@zzd10h & broadblues
while i agree both of you on this, if the user had that choice, he would be aware of the risk. and that way he could contribute to get things fixed faster.. i would not do that, but since i now have two ng amigas i would love to participate in testing on one of them..
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@thread
just a friendly reminder that this thread is exclusively for questions to mr. solie and his replies. that said, some of these questions no doubt could engender some good discussion, so if you have views on any of them, please feel free to create a new thread or find a relevant existing one. :)
-- eliyahu
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@Elyahu
Sorry for the following OT...after I stop
@Broadblues
It's why I mentionned MUI4 muidev.de website, I broke sometimes my MUI setup (ok easier to restore than an OS). But the idea is to allow users that want (experienced users ?) to have beta fixes/functions before official delivery.
"the result would end up with alot of negativity. "
As a standard user, I can sure you that the long awaited fixes/features results in a lot of negativity too when you see that beta testers have a fix/functions since a long time and that you can't use it...
Sorry Elyahu but it was to explain better my question/request to SSolie ;)
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Good questions. I have to catch up with what was said at Amiwest before I post my own.
Looking forward to Steven's answers.
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I've heard you have some sort of post 4.2 road map. Can you tell us something about what it contains? :)
Sorry, that is private info at the moment.
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i forgot to ask you this before i left, so i'll do here: what's the longterm plan for improving the printing architecture for AOS4? currently i can use modern printers, but only if they're postscript. the third-party photosmart driver also helps, but i max out at 600dpi.
is there any possibility of integrating something like CUPS?
We have not discussed printing internally for quite some time but it is still on the to do list. All I can say is that we will look into CUPS or whatever else makes sense when printing is revisited. Multi-core is the top priority right now besides the ports to new platforms.
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Any plans for an updated network stack/library?
None at this time.
Related: X1000 NIC driver? The legend tells there's one but that it has some nasty bug. Any more info regarding that?
When the driver is ready you will be notified. I'm sorry it is taking so long.
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1) Regarding A-Eon ALICE project, is Hyperion plan to increase the RAM & GFX memory of OS4 Classic ?
Not at this time.
2) Why AmiUpdate is no more used to deliver OS4 updates ?
Your assumption that AmiUpdate is not used to deliver updates is incorrect. Nobody said we won't use AmiUpdate to deliver updates.
We are simply preparing one large update for Final Edition customers instead of doing smaller ones.
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Do you plan on releasing info on some of the internal APIs so the the users can contribute in hardware support ? I'm thinking about the processor HAL and the Picasso driver API.
No, the HAL API will not be made public any time soon.
As far as releasing the graphics.library driver API, that has always been on my list of things to do but time is limited. If there is somebody that you know that wants access to the API please point them to http://www.amigaos.net where they can use the contact page.
Note that Picasso96 is gone and it is all just graphics.library now.
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One simple question... we can see x5000 AND Tabor with OS4.x in action before Xmass?
Of course A-EON wants everything released ASAP so we'll see what happens together.
Sorry but software development isn't an exact science. :)
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Does the X5000 have the same Xorro + PCIe X1 slot setup?
Yes.
Has there been any talks about a proper proto board for the slot?
You can buy them here:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1135
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We really are interested in getting some benchmarks on the X5000. Looks to be the most capable PPC board thus far introduced for our market.
Benchmarks can be very misleading (and troll bait) so Hyperion usually steers away from providing any.
I'm sure the community will be running plenty of benchmarks which you guys can use to compare and contrast when the time comes.
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-Thore and Jens allow all user to test OS4 MUI4 beta builds at their own risks. Why not do the same and allow ALL users to test OS4 beta builds ?
MUI is a 3rd party product with no commercial interests. They can basically do whatever they want. There is no warranty whatsoever and it is free of cost.
AmigaOS is a commercial product with shareholders involved that expect things to be done a certain way. If you'd like to beta test, you need to sign an NDA and be responsible for not leaking information to 3rd parties because they tend to use that information to hurt the corporation and thus the shareholders.
I hope you can now see the difference between the two.
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- is the work done under the hood to implement multicore will allow a better memory protection if not full?
Memory protection is always being kept in mind.
-I read that AEON is planning also a wiki, will you give them the dev docs for classics system since they're looking for dev to program new stuff for this systems?
You are assuming that Hyperion owns that documentation. The owners of the documentation would need to be contacted by A-EON and they will need to seek permission just as Hyperion has done.
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@ssolie
a big thanks for your replies.
@thread
any other questions for ssolie?
-- eliyahu
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@SSolie
"Your assumption that AmiUpdate is not used to deliver updates is incorrect. Nobody said we won't use AmiUpdate to deliver updates."
I just started AmiUpdate around every day since FE delivery.
My assumption is based on real observation, AmiUpdate is very quiet since around 1 year...
"If you'd like to beta test, you need to sign an NDA and be responsible for not leaking information "
OK but I thought that you said that no more betatesters were accepted ?
Nevertheless, thank you for your replies
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Benchmarks can be very misleading (and troll bait) so Hyperion usually steers away from providing any.
I'm sure the community will be running plenty of benchmarks which you guys can use to compare and contrast when the time comes.
Yes, I get that.
That is why I won't be judging Tabor on initial benchmarks.
Time should improve those.
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@ssolie
- is ExecSG at first was a straight port to C or was it written with multi processor / multicore and memory protection in mind?
- is the new Dos been developed with ressource tracking in minds?
-did you talk to Carl during the 30th anniversary or before about How Exec should be modified to support multicore?
-will AmigaOS take advantage of the TCP/IP acceleration features of the P1022?
- did someone recorded the devcon sessions?
Thanks
Kamelito
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Sorry, that is private info at the moment.
Aww ... Thanks for the answer nevertheless :)
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I recently bought OS4.1 for CSPPC for my A3000/CSPPC, but ended up installing it on FS-UAE the other day (my A3000/CSPPC is in storage for the moment), and I was a bit surprised about quite a few things. An example: I did not expect to find P96Prefs still there, and quite a few other screen mode related prefs that all could have been merged and simplified. Same for AHI and sound prefs. Same for various GUI, Palette, Fonts prefs etc. Also, when I went for activating networking, I stopped when I saw the wizard from OS3.5(?!) pop up asking me if I want to set up dialup? There seems to be vast room for cleaning up, updating and simplify a lot of things here. Are there plans to do so?
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I recently bought OS4.1 for CSPPC for my A3000/CSPPC, but ended up installing it on FS-UAE the other day
How's that working for you as far as speed and stability?
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- is ExecSG at first was a straight port to C or was it written with multi processor / multicore and memory protection in mind?
It has always been in mind from the beginning.
- is the new Dos been developed with ressource tracking in minds?
Resource tracking is within Exec and DOS already. It is limited to memory at the moment.
-did you talk to Carl during the 30th anniversary or before about How Exec should be modified to support multicore?
No I did not. We usually talk about Rebol and other things. You have to remember that Carl wrote that a long time ago. He works at Roku now. He is also pondering another language. :)
-will AmigaOS take advantage of the TCP/IP acceleration features of the P1022?
Maybe. There are network accelerations in the Sam CPUs as well we don't currently use. Unless you are doing a router or a very high rate of messages such features don't give you much from my understanding. I prefer to ship first and optimize later anyway.
- did someone recorded the devcon sessions?
No, sorry. It was a great time. I was planning to blog a bit about it.
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...There seems to be vast room for cleaning up, updating and simplify a lot of things here. Are there plans to do so?
Yes, there are plans to clean up the prefs.
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Thanks.
kamelito