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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: fishy_fiz on April 09, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
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I remember back in the day, and even sometimes still today that it wasnt uncommon for it to be suggested a C64 version of a game was more playable than its amiga counterpart. While I dont think it's as frequent as might be suggested there is no doubt some games where it is true.
For me, Creatures was better on the c64. There was nothing wrong with the Amiga version, but for no obvious reasons it lost the charms of the original. Armalyte I also thought was much better on the C64, the Amiga version looked ok, but played terribly. Katakis is another one that I thought the C64 version was much better. Not to say I disliked Amiga Katakis, but theyre quite different games, and I prefer the C64 game. StreetFighter1 was also much better on C64 than the Amiga. It was a little humble, but still played quite nicely. The Amiga version looked ok for the time, but was awful to play. Cabal was also much better on the C64 than Amiga in my opinion. For pure fun I actually like the c64 version above the arcade machine.
Anyone else have any they'd like to add ? I guess speccy/amstrad cpc/etc. as well if that's your kettle of fish.
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Hmmm it's rare (owned a C64 from 83 until today).
Plenty of C64 games had lovely parallax scrolling. ST por...I mean Amiga games rarely had proper full screen parallax....just a copperlist.
Sidewinder's loading music = soundtrack from C64 game called Panther....sounds better on C64.
Others claim Gianna Sisters on C64 but I don't like that game.
Defender of the Crown on C64 has better gameplay (but so does PC and ST version)
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These 3 spring to mind
Platoon
Batman
Double Dragon
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Feud
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Encounter... :)
On the C64 it had you actually ducking and diving in your seat, it lost something in the Amiga version... :(
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Encounter... :)
On the C64 it had you actually ducking and diving in your seat, it lost something in the Amiga version... :(
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Air borne ranger, C64 had better playability and graphics quality was quite much same
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Personally, I can't think of any. However, there were a few that were on par. Red Storm Rising on the C64 was just as enjoyable as the Amiga version.
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Pool of Radiance (the SSI AD&D game); possibly others in that line, too.
Simply because the C64 monster encounter illustrations (the image they showed before you'd go to the isometric battle map) were straight out of the 1st edition AD&D monster manual (or MM2 or Fiend Folio as the case may be). The Amiga used (sometimes animated) "new" art. Didn't care for it.
I liked Temple of Apshai on the C64 better. I can't pin down why, exactly.
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Bombjack, Donkey Kong and those types of classic arcade games. Bombjack had an official port, but the arcade translations like DK were from individuals that offered as more or less shareware. Good ports by those standards, but a shame that commercial, more polished ports weren't produced.
Deluxe Galaga for the Amiga is great, but it's still not Galaga. Still has this "homebrew" feel to it that's tough to shake.
I'll have to check out Cabal and the like between the two systems. Ikari Warriors and Commando come to mind too. Just seemed like the 8-bit versions of these games "felt" more solid.
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Ultima III was better. The attempts to use the mouse instead of keyboard for movement just wasn't good.
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Archon
M.U.L.E.
Impossible Mission
Aztec Challenge
Fort Apocalypse
Repton (not the Boulderdash one but the shmup one)
Jumpman
Jumpman Junior
Le Mans
Space Taxi was almost as good on the C64 as the Amiga versions.
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I seem to remember Little Computer People having something extra on the C64.
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I heard that ThunderBlade was better on the C64 than on the Amiga. Possibly because the character graphics modes on the C64 accelerated the tile-mapping effects while the Amiga had to make up the difference with the blitter. (And a lot of the early games didn't have the benefit of interleaved bitplanes that came with Kickstart 3.)
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I had a long time ago a Wheels Of Fire compilation for the C64 and recently bought the Amiga version. Power Drift and Turbo Outrun were better on the C64 in terms of gameplay and sound, but graphics were better on the Amiga version. Haven't tested Chase HQ and Hard Drivin' yet.
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I think that the C64 version of the game Barbarian was really cool. I spent at great deal of time trying to chop off the other fighters head :-)
I was very disappointed when I saw the Amiga version.
As save2600 I also liked the C64 version of BombJack. It was much better than the Amiga version.
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Turrican
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Turrican
Shoot Or Die!
I dispute the C64 version was better, since that implies any implementation was less than awesome.
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Didn't like any version. I didn't like games without true arcade quality parallax in the day.
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Shoot Or Die!
I dispute the C64 version was better, since that implies any implementation was less than awesome.
I'm thinking of either part 1 or 2. The levels were different. More interesting.
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Are we factoring in loading times and dodgy tapes ? :)
I can think of a few that seemed identical, like Bubble Bobble.
Some had cool parts. I /love/ the Turrican 2 intro theme from the 64 version.
Oddly I do like the 64 version of Shadow of the Beast better. Im sure thats some sort of heresy :D
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Hawkeye the Amiga version was so disappointing, its the one game where I did not mind the tape loading that bit slower as the music & visuals were so cool.
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Hi,
How about Boulderdash, Wizball, The Last Ninja, and Paradroid were much better on the 64.
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Pacman / Ms Pacman, all the old 8bits were better on the C64 platform. The biggest Amiga version (Pacman deluxe) was a different game incorporating 3D perspective. which made controller play unintuative.
@XDelusion: Turrican NOT !
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I heard that ThunderBlade was better on the C64 than on the Amiga. Possibly because the character graphics modes on the C64 accelerated the tile-mapping effects while the Amiga had to make up the difference with the blitter. (And a lot of the early games didn't have the benefit of interleaved bitplanes that came with Kickstart 3.)
I have both versions of this game and can confirm this, the C64 version is waaay better than the Amiga version which is slow and have sluggish controls. I was a bit dissapointed when I tried it the first time, I really had hoped for something better. I even bought the original and all.
I had a long time ago a Wheels Of Fire compilation for the C64 and recently bought the Amiga version. Power Drift and Turbo Outrun were better on the C64 in terms of gameplay and sound, but graphics were better on the Amiga version. Haven't tested Chase HQ and Hard Drivin' yet.
I haven't tried the Amiga versions of Chase HQ and Hard Drivin, but I'm pretty sure they are better than the C64 versions (which really doesn't take much). Both games were ported from the Spectrum versions, and especially Hard Drivin is bad. As a matter of fact it is so bad that it wasn't even released as a stand alone game, instead it was added to the Wheels Of Fire compilation as a "filler".
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I think Ghosts N' Goblins on the C64 is better than on the Amiga. Sure, the Amiga version has better graphics, all the levels and more advanced enemies. But there is one thing it doesn't have, and that is the somewhat weird but highly atmospheric music of the C64 version. Ghosts N' Goblins isn't the same without this music imho.
I also prefer the C64 version of Barbarian 2 since I find the Amiga version to be much harder, but this might be because I only have a pirated Amiga version of this game.
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Bionic Commando without a doubt much better on the C64!
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hands down my fav game of all time Archon was (err is) far better on the mighty 64 over the Amiga 500
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Archon and MULE two of my all time favorite video games period.. seem better on c64? Well there is no MULE amiga version... right? Also airborne ranger sux on amiga.
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Ah, Turbo Outrun, dunno how I forgot about that one. Also SCSI (Chase HQ2) was better on the c64 than amiga (although it was almost good on the amiga I thought).
Thunderblade and Powerdrift I have to agree with as well (both Chris Butler games). Despite the hardware restrictions I actually like C64 Thunderblade above all other home versions.
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I'd go for "Power Drift". On the contrary to C64 version, this game is unplayable on Amiga.
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Tetris. Awesome music.
Then there are loads of games which never made it to Amiga like Rally Speedway.
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Are we factoring in loading times and dodgy tapes ? :)
I hate the whole loading times and dodgy tape talk of today.
It was very rare for an original tape to fail loading unless it was on the Spectrum or Acorn Electron.
The C64's datasette helped prevent load errors as they were usually caused by incorrect volume settings.There was just as many disc read errors from dodgy disks or drives.
Loading times were also not as long as people think. True there were some games that had stupid load times but then developers started to add turbo load features and multiload features.
People also forget that you had some great music while the games were loading and sometimes a game to play (Invade-a-Load). Both things I miss when using an emulator.
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The C64's datasette helped prevent load errors as they were usually caused by incorrect volume settings.There was just as many disc read errors from dodgy disks or drives.
Load-It was insanely expensive. I recall it was about twice as much compared to standard version.
Loading times were also not as long as people think.
They were long. I have got real C64 here and loading time from the original is 15 minutes.
Heck, sometimes games even load faster from tape deck than from a disk.
True there were some games that had stupid load times but then developers started to add turbo load features and multiload features.
Usually you could load games faster if it is pirated copy. I got an original Operation Wolf when it was released... loading time is about 15 minutes. Day after I got a pirated copy you could load in 5 minutes. But admittely I preferred loading from the original because of Ocean loader tune. They were always great.
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Name me 3 games that take 15 minutes to load.
Ocean games took about 4 - 5 mins
30 seconds to start the intro music 3 - 4 min tune 30 seconds to load the final bits
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Another vote for Archon on the C64.
Also, I like the simpler, solid-colour clean graphics of Ultima IV on the C64 versus the multicolour graphics on the Amiga. Sometimes more complicated, cluttered looking graphics aren't better.
But I also prefer Sword of Fargoal on the VIC-20 to the C64 version for the same reason!
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Name me 3 games that take 15 minutes to load.
Ocean games took about 4 - 5 mins
30 seconds to start the intro music 3 - 4 min tune 30 seconds to load the final bits
Operation Wolf, Turbo Outrun and Airborne Ranger. Everything.
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Air borne ranger, C64 had better playability and graphics quality was quite much same
This is the best (worse) case I can think of. I remember being amazed at how bad the Amiga version was.
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Name me 3 games that take 15 minutes to load.
Ocean games took about 4 - 5 mins
30 seconds to start the intro music 3 - 4 min tune 30 seconds to load the final bits
There were/are hunderds of C64 games that took nearly 15 minutes to load before the "Turbo loaders" were written... :)
I wrote my own Turbo loader (Screen Turbo it was called) way back in the 80s which takes a maximum of 34 seconds to load any game from tape on the real C64 (full memory load including under the roms)... :)
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Operation Wolf, Turbo Outrun and Airborne Ranger. Everything.
I am going to load these up and time them when I get the chance
Will need a spare 45 mins
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Then there are loads of games which never made it to Amiga like Rally Speedway.
Rally Speedway was a great game!
But there are numerous games that are similar on the Amiga.
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But I also prefer Sword of Fargoal on the VIC-20 to the C64 version for the same reason!
I never played VIC-20 version but I loved Sword of Fargoal on C64! Even though it was entirely to hard.
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I hate the whole loading times and dodgy tape talk of today.
It was very rare for an original tape to fail loading unless it was on the Spectrum or Acorn Electron.
The C64's datasette helped prevent load errors as they were usually caused by incorrect volume settings.There was just as many disc read errors from dodgy disks or drives.
Loading times were also not as long as people think. True there were some games that had stupid load times but then developers started to add turbo load features and multiload features.
People also forget that you had some great music while the games were loading and sometimes a game to play (Invade-a-Load). Both things I miss when using an emulator.
Back in the day, I seem to recall more errors from tape games than disks but that may be all anecdotal evidence of course.
Load times werent the 15 minutes that someone else mentioned, but they /are/ longer than it'd usually be on the amiga, whcih is what the topic was :)
I guess the reason I brought it up is that for a game that plays pretty identical, the quicker one to load would be the preferable, I'd imagine.
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Load times werent the 15 minutes that someone else mentioned, but they /are/ longer than it'd usually be on the amiga, whcih is what the topic was :)
Oh yes they were... ;)
I've got 2 C64s set up here and games before the introduction of turbo loaders that require the full memory of the C64 do take from 12 to 15 minutes to load, buy a real C64 and some old non turbo games and see for yourself... :)
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Maybe my memory is due to most of my friends games being cracked :)
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since yesterday was trying to remember and thats right..
Turbo Outrun
California Games, not that it is better but has a diferent taste..
Grand Prix Circuit, has a little cool details.
Little Computer People -- Thats right, in C=64 Version, had additional things
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I hate the whole loading times and dodgy tape talk of today.
It was very rare for an original tape to fail loading unless it was on the Spectrum or Acorn Electron.
The C64's datasette helped prevent load errors as they were usually caused by incorrect volume settings.There was just as many disc read errors from dodgy disks or drives.
Loading times were also not as long as people think. True there were some games that had stupid load times but then developers started to add turbo load features and multiload features.
People also forget that you had some great music while the games were loading and sometimes a game to play (Invade-a-Load). Both things I miss when using an emulator.
Having had a C128 and a Spectrum 48K I can tell you I never had a Specy tape that failed. Agree most people's issue was because the Specy alowed you to use any cassette recorder and people did. Even now (yes I have 2) you need to have an MP3 Player with a high mw outage. Old iPods work well.
I have never had "knock on wood" a 1541 Disk failure. Nooo! keep those magnets away...
Also the Specy was about 4 times faster in loading standard games than a non turbo C64. 4 mins vs 16mins for full 38K game.
On the bright side the C64s GFX and Sound swamped the Specky with it's 8x8 Colour attrubutes and pokey sound. But the Specy was soooo easy to program.
Ooooh I got all retro again and off topic... Sorry...
I don't emulate classics I use them.....:)
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Deluxe Galaga for the Amiga is great, but it's still not Galaga. Still has this "homebrew" feel to it that's tough to shake.
Huh? Deluxe Galaga is one of the most polished games in the genre, I really don't know where you get that homebrew feel from?
=Controller;630561]I think that the C64 version of the game Barbarian was really cool. I spent at great deal of time trying to chop off the other fighters head :-)
Me too. :)
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My list (whatever I can think of now)
Already mentioned:
Wizball (Smoother, and better audio on C64)
Eliminator (At least music is way better on C64)
Outrun (I think at least music was better, not sure about playability)
Atomino (C64 ingame music is SO much better...)
LED Storm (smoother scrolling + parallax on C64, way better musics... Personally I consider the C64 version the best available, better than original arcade version)
Laser Squad (almost identical otherwise (amiga has slightly improved graphics) but there are extra scenarios for C64)
Kikstart 2 (Got some vague memories about this being much worse, but can't remember exactly how)
Last Ninja series (overall better musics on C64)
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Huh? Deluxe Galaga is one of the most polished games in the genre, I really don't know where you get that homebrew feel from?
Me too. :)
+ 1, Deluxe Galaga & Deluxe Galaga AGA are outstanding vertical shooters that IMHO are leaps & bounds better than the original Galaga on the C64
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buy a real C64 and some old non turbo games and see for yourself... :)
I got my c64 in christmas of 1984, I don't remember any games that came out after that which used the kernal tape loader. It was cheaper to license a loader than it was to buy the long tapes.
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Having had a C128 and a Spectrum 48K I can tell you I never had a Specy tape that failed.
Now that's impressive. I wasn't nearly as lucky, although my speccy-related failures were all down to +2A incompatibilities, even in 48k mode, perfectly good software would crash after loading.
As for the OP's question. I still say C=64 Paradroid was a far better game than Amiga Paradroid '90. (Or does that count as a sequel?)
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The one I just can't believe no one has mentioned....
HARDBALL!
C64 version was so awesome. Amiga version wasn't bad, but just never really captured what made the C64 one great.
And I totally agree, all the Epyx "Games" series were way better on C64. Summer Games, California Games, etc.
Also, agreed: Airborne Ranger may earn the title of Worst Port Ever! :D Wow, did the Amiga version suck.
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Operation Wolf, Turbo Outrun and Airborne Ranger. Everything.
Operation wolf can be struck off the list. Approx 3min 30 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKkES1KrjKI
A Typical Ocean Game took about 4 mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYZ-YA9o2g&playnext=1&list=PLC7089C1A4DB71C7C
and a US Gold game cold take about 2 mins
USGold Nova Load http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phLzHizznSg
A mastertronic game would sometimes allow you to play another game while you wait to play the game your loading (and that would last about 2 mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqCR6xnv1kE
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Turrican 2 is better on C64