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Title: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on April 29, 2004, 10:48:42 AM
Hoya!

The subject says it all!

I think of two games especially: Myth and ALIEN BREED 2! Godamn it! This game had a HUGE potential but Team 17 were high when they tested it!!!

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: jj on April 29, 2004, 10:56:55 AM
SHADOW OF THE BEAST 2
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: jonssonj on April 29, 2004, 11:40:50 AM
Blood Money...   :)

/Jörgen
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: xeron on April 29, 2004, 12:12:31 PM
Project X (NOT Special Edition). Apparently due to a bug it is actually impossible to beat :)
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: StevenJGore on April 29, 2004, 12:17:38 PM
The whole Alien Breed 2D saga... I could never get far on any of them. Alien Breed 3D was the first and only Alien Breed game I managed to complete!

Steve.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: PMC on April 29, 2004, 12:36:58 PM
Yep, Alien Breed II / Tower Assault etc.  Trying to last longer than a few seconds wasn't easy!  Did anyone release a trainer?

Then there's Super Stardust, Super Hang On and Virus.


Easiest?

Turrican 3, Batman the Movie, Hunter and Frontier.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: PhatBoiCollier on April 29, 2004, 12:52:12 PM
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jonssonj wrote:
Blood Money...   :)

/Jörgen


Blood money.  What a blast from the past.  Cool soundtrack (for its time)

"The biggest unanswered question is where is the money?".  

Sorry.  Sold all my amiga kit recently.  Its been hard.  I get emotional from time to time...

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on April 29, 2004, 02:01:51 PM
Hoya!

@PMC

Super Hang On? Well, dig this.
When I had my Atari ST I bought it and one of mybest friends used to FINISH it, using... the MOUSE!!!!!!

So I guess it is not unbeatable!

As for the Alien Breed saga.
Well, AB and ABSE92 are quite manageable. I can go pretty far into the game.
ABTA is playable too but the higher levels would be easier if played with a mate.
As for AB2.... :evil:

Project X SE is quite hard. You do not go past the third level every day, do you?

SOTB is not that easy too...

RoboCop is hard as well, both the arcade and the Ammy conversion. Obviously, you can finish the arcade by feeding the machine your money but there is no point, is there?

Your move, creep!

Be funky

M A D

Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Paul_Gadd on April 29, 2004, 02:09:20 PM
Risky Woods. to many damn enemies from both sides of the screen constantly.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Lo on April 29, 2004, 02:16:53 PM
Dragon's Lair!  :insane:
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: bloodmoney on April 29, 2004, 02:17:16 PM
Bloodmoney, and the killing game show. :-D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: CU_AMiGA on April 29, 2004, 02:22:43 PM
Alien Breed is probably the difficult game on the Amiga. There was a game on the C64 called Decathlon (Daley Thompson as well) that used to wreck the joystick, and mouse! :lol:
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: T3000 on April 29, 2004, 02:26:54 PM
heh

LightWave 3d

This one takes a lot of patience. I've only been able to get past a few levels.

laterz
 :-D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: odin on April 29, 2004, 02:28:03 PM
:lol:

Yes, I remember that Decathlon game. My mate had a C64 and I think I spent more time behind it then he did :crazy:. We wrecked several of his joysticks with Decathlon. Or what about that other game, 'NATO Assault Course Training', or something along those lines. You could make your own obstacle courses and then run along them. Wiggle style :-).

Team 17 once made a special game for a The One (?) coverdisk called something like Wibble-Wobble-Mania 2. It was just 2 meters onscreen and the player which wobbled the joystick the fastest won :-).
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Acill on April 29, 2004, 02:33:20 PM
I agree that Alien Breed 2 was THE hardest ever. That game was a joke! Followed by that was Beast 2, and another for me was call Brat. You controlled had to clear a path for a crawling baby and keep it from getting hurt. Sounds simple, but it was just hell! Quite fun though.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Ilwrath on April 29, 2004, 03:47:52 PM
Shadow of the Beast 2 wasn't as hard as the first one, I don't think.  I just don't see a way to get through the jetpack area on SotB 1 without help...  There's too much junk on the screen.  Not enough clear places available to move into, let alone a clear path to get there.

Whoever mentioned "Killing Game Show"....  ABSOLUTELY!!!  I think level 5 or 6 was my record, without trainers...  haha!

Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Peyote on April 29, 2004, 03:55:38 PM
>Then there's Super Stardust

Erm... This must be among the easiest games, it can be finished with one hand (except the CD32 version, which technically requires two hands for the joypad). Stardust is a lot tougher but since I also finished that one it is not impossible.

Hmmm, most difficult ones? Must be something like Beast 2 and Project X (original edition)...

See ya,

Sharwin Raghoebardayal
Coyote Flux
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: pwest on April 29, 2004, 04:03:31 PM
I would have to agree Shadow of the Beast 1 was pretty dam tuff. I did eventually manage to complete it, however, but that was with the help of a whole bunch of info on where to go and what to do. SOTB2 was tuff too, but I finished it with the "ten pints" cheatmode on (only).

Rick Dangerous 2 was kinda tuff for a while.

I do recall Project X being a difficult one. It just had a hard edge.

Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Peyote on April 29, 2004, 04:05:19 PM
>Whoever mentioned "Killing Game Show".... ABSOLUTELY!!! I >think level 5 or 6 was my record, without trainers... haha!

Oooh I guess I have to agree with you. It was a cool game though (with a cool intro)!
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Morley on April 29, 2004, 04:36:09 PM
Have to be "Escape from Colditz". I never managed to do anything, and always got lost and then shot..

Possibly the original version had a map along with it, but ofcourse my cracked version didn't :roll:
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on April 29, 2004, 04:39:23 PM
Hoya!

Yesh, I remember Daley Thompson's Supertest, had it on my CPC! ;-) My mates and I liked it a lot, moreover it was FAR more playable than Konami's Hypersports...

Risky Woods is hard as hell, indeed. As you said too many enemies ALL the time...
Same thing for Ghosts and Goblins! ;-) Boy, THIS is a classic, isn't it?

Actually, from what I have heard, Dragon's Lair was not that hard. You just have to push the joystick at the RIGHT moment... ;-P

Oh! Another one pops up into my mind...

KATAKIS (or DENARIS)!!!!!! A cool R-Type clone, yes, but barely playable too...

Some more? ;-)

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: vpcs on April 29, 2004, 04:47:39 PM
Blood Money Kool but very difficult.. Menace was the reason  I brought an Amiga...
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: smace on April 29, 2004, 05:34:05 PM
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Morley wrote:
Have to be "Escape from Colditz". I never managed to do anything, and always got lost and then shot..

Possibly the original version had a map along with it, but ofcourse my cracked version didn't :roll:


Hehey! I agree. That game gave me the creeps every time I was in a "restricted area". The game is also responsible for my biggest dissapointment in my gaming history...
After a long time playing it, I collected a uniform so I could pose like a guard.
Well, it didn't stop the real guards from checking me and asking for certification papers. So I was busted.
Then, another time I played, I collected the uniform again AND I found certification papers! "Haha, try get me NOW, suckers!" I thought. Ofcourse I was checked again when I was in the open yards and I gave them the papers (for some reason they took the papers), and then what do you know.. ONE meter, ONE second after checking me the first time taking my papers, they stopped me again! Who the hell thought that "we'll program the guards to keep nagging the player if he wears a guard's uniform."?? Ofcourse I was busted, and my spirit sank to a new low :)

I'd like to hear if anyone ever got out of that place! And how, obviously :)

BTW: Logical is pretty tough when you get far enough.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: ilgulamc on April 29, 2004, 06:00:19 PM
Space Ace, too darn fast paced for me, but a crazy good game for the time!
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Eco on April 29, 2004, 07:26:47 PM
Disposable Hero, a shoot-em-up in the horizontal scroller genre. I found that game to be absolutely too hard for me, disappointingly so. The graphics were great, tho.

Edit: Tried it on my WHDLoad now, and whatta heck! It's not hard at all. What was I thinking..
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: AJS on April 29, 2004, 07:32:32 PM
Pong :-o  with out using your hands :lol:
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Genocist on April 29, 2004, 08:08:25 PM
Virus for me. I'm sure I made it to level 3 or 4 once, before doing the usual inverted flip and thrusting myself in to the ground at breakneck speed :)

I'm sure more practice may have produced better results.

G
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: samdu on April 29, 2004, 08:21:44 PM
I'll add another vote for Shadow of the Beast 2. DERN! That was a hard game! Thankfully I have plenty of hair or I'd have been bald by the time I was out of college from all that I pulled out playing that game. It certainly was beautiful for its time, though. Wonderful parallax scrolling and artfully drawn sprites. Psygnosis were just masochistic. (I actually still have notecards with the solutions to some of the puzzles on them).
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Akiko on April 29, 2004, 08:40:21 PM
I've been trying to complete Captain planet for years ....
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Trezzer on April 29, 2004, 09:57:53 PM
Hardest game ever? Oh man. That would have to be the C= Installer.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Ilwrath on April 29, 2004, 10:05:06 PM
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Hardest game ever? Oh man. That would have to be the C= Installer.


Naw....  With a good hard drive, I can usually beat it on the "Expert" setting within a few seconds.  ;-)
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Karlos on April 30, 2004, 02:36:53 AM
A flawless gcc installation first time round? That's almost nigh on impossible :-)
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: mepmepmep on April 30, 2004, 05:16:45 AM
Beyond the Ice Palace!
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: jj on April 30, 2004, 07:38:30 AM
OT, but somebody mentioned amzaong graphics and scrolling,best looking and sounding game i thought even on an a500, was agony, amzaing musix, like 3 or 4 seperate scrolling background and good grapics, was pretty hard too
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on April 30, 2004, 09:37:11 AM
Hoya!

There is a cheat mode for Disposable Hero which adds an extra option in the menu... ;-)

Someone told about Captain Planet but do you remember (Captain) Blood??? Did SOMEONE finish it???!!!

And, as a matter of fact, Psygnosis games WERE difficult, weren't they?

OK, gotta go, see ya later!

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: PhatBoiCollier on April 30, 2004, 09:45:41 AM
Did anyone get anywhere with Aunt Artic Adventure?  2 Player jobby, one was a penguin, the other a monkey.  You had to collect fish and bananas.

Addictive but difficult.

Aunt Artic Adventure (http://exotica.fix.no/tunes/unexotica/games/Aunt_Arctic_Adventure.html)
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: gnarly on April 30, 2004, 10:08:24 AM
Bob's bad day was a beeyatch.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: manicx on April 30, 2004, 10:25:13 AM
Most difficult games on the Amiga:

Disposable Hero
Batman Returns (shite game with {bleep}e sprite collision)
Fire and Forget
Star Rush
Navy Seals (managed to finish it after becoming a robot)
Enchanted Land
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: scholle on April 30, 2004, 12:38:38 PM
Nowadays it's Feeble Files. In the "good old days"
it was FATE - Gates of Dawn.

The first one has very hard puzzles, the latter
was economically desastrous, but had all best prizes
in the mags. It came from Reline, here in D.
I do not know any person who ever completed this
game, except of the programmer himself (Olaf Patzenhauer,
AFAIRC). They wanted to do a Guiness Record of Gaming
with FATE. You have to draw all the maps manually
on paper (Double DIN A 4), but there is a overview
function (Towns, villages, area). It came on two
simple disks and was a world as big to explore as
today is only overcome by Online RPGs.

Greetings,

Scholle
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: crystall on April 30, 2004, 12:50:07 PM
What about Walker? That was pretty hard to after a few levels.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: PMC on April 30, 2004, 12:53:32 PM
Quote

Genocist wrote:
Virus for me. I'm sure I made it to level 3 or 4 once, before doing the usual inverted flip and thrusting myself in to the ground at breakneck speed :)

I'm sure more practice may have produced better results.

G


Yeah, Virus was damn hard because of the control sensitivity and the fact that aiming the gun was a bee-atch.

Getting the hovercraft off the ground was easy enough, but trying to out manoever and shoot down one of those pesky fighters was an object lesson in patience.  Imagine sitting on the door sill of your car, steering with your foot and trying to reverse park and you have some idea.

There's quite a few games with nasty control settings...  Trying to get your Cobra Mk III to dock with a space station for the first time in Elite was more hazardous than actual combat, getting your Lightning to land in Jet Pilot was equally difficult and of course we have Whirligig.  Imagine Virus set in space, with extra sensitive mouse controls... Grrr!  
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on April 30, 2004, 01:17:32 PM
Hoya!

Yeah, Whirligig!
I had it on my ST and was quite good at it.
Then, some times ago I got it on Ammy and... EEEEEKKKKK! I cannot manage to control the damn ship! But I believe it is quite original a game.

And there is another classic I had on ST and was quite good at it, then got it on Ammy and EEEEKKKK!

Space Harrier!
On Atari, I reached the very last boss but did not kill it, will on Ammy, I keep on struggling to go past the first couple of levels. Should try harder I guess...

There is also another game which was incredibly hard, but not on Ammy, on CPC. It was a Mastertronic classic called The Last V8! IIRC, it was released on Speccy and C64 too.
Boy, you had only ONE life to finish the game! Eeek!

And by the way, have someone really finished ANY of the Turricans WITHOUT cheating???

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Genocist on May 01, 2004, 10:00:36 AM
[/quote] Trying to get your Cobra Mk III to dock with a space station for the first time in Elite was more hazardous than actual combat [/quote]

Hehe, tell me that the Docking Computer isn't the 8th Wonder of the World!

G
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: AntonioX on May 01, 2004, 11:14:42 AM

And by the way, have someone really finished ANY of the Turricans WITHOUT cheating???

yeah me 1 2 and 3 with out ceating also on the CPC 1 and 2 with out cheating

Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: ptek on May 01, 2004, 11:59:11 AM
Well just to pick one game would be ... difficult  :-D

My votes go for :

 * Saint Dragon    (the 3rd(?) level was impossible to avoid the rocks coming from above and bellow !)

 * Shadow of the Beast 2    (good gfx does not make a good game)

 * Shadow of the Beast 1    (it was also damn tough)
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: ptek on May 01, 2004, 12:04:30 PM
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What about Walker? That was pretty hard to after a few levels.


Man, Walker was B.O.R.I.N.G.  :-D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: ptek on May 01, 2004, 12:06:55 PM
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There is a cheat mode for Disposable Hero which adds an extra option in the menu...


Hmmm ... That would be nice to know.
Tell us, please  :-)
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on May 01, 2004, 12:54:07 PM
Hoya!

Bloody Hell! I forgot Saint Dragon!!!!!

Boy, THAT is a hard game!!! I managed to go to the third level something like TWO or THREE times?
Too bad, for it is a nice game, I love the music but it seems it is of the weird Sales Curve format... Unrippable :-/

@AntonioX

You DID finish all Turricans??!!!! Wow! Hats off!

As for the Disposable Hero cheat mode... Hehehe, I do not remember it, BUT if you use the WHDLoad installer for it, you can access the cheat mode through icon info ;-)

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Legerdemain on May 01, 2004, 01:05:02 PM
@AntonioX on Turrican

Quote
And by the way, have someone really finished ANY of the Turricans WITHOUT cheating???


Uhm, Turrican II isn't really the hardest game ever made. I usually have about 25-30 lives when I complete the game. Good times, I don't waste a life. Bad times, I waste about 3-4 lives.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on May 01, 2004, 05:53:54 PM
Hoya!

In my first post, I told you about Myth but no one seemed to agree.

So, is it me or is this game hard as hell?

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: AntonioX on May 01, 2004, 07:02:00 PM

Mad your right Myth on the amiga was very hard, it was ok on the cpc got that one complete in about a week, the Amiga version took me about a month to finish, I still play it time to time  :-D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: PMC on May 01, 2004, 08:47:03 PM
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MAD wrote:
Hoya!

Yeah, Whirligig!
I had it on my ST and was quite good at it.
Then, some times ago I got it on Ammy and... EEEEEKKKKK! I cannot manage to control the damn ship! But I believe it is quite original a game.

There is also another game which was incredibly hard, but not on Ammy, on CPC. It was a Mastertronic classic called The Last V8! IIRC, it was released on Speccy and C64 too.
Boy, you had only ONE life to finish the game! Eeek!

And by the way, have someone really finished ANY of the Turricans WITHOUT cheating???



Whirligig was a very promising game, but way too hard to control.  The actual pace of the game was too fast I think.  Has anyone ever played Conqueror?  It's like Virus/whirligig but with a tank instead of a hovercraft.

The Last V8....  "V8. Return to base immediately!"  I have a Sid file of the soundtrack somewhere.  

Turrican II wasn't that difficult a game to master, I've completed it many times without cheating.  
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on May 01, 2004, 10:25:23 PM
Hoya!

Yes, I remember Conqueror, even if I have never played it.

As for the Last V8... Believe me or not but despite the fact I own more than 545 albums, this sountrack is one of my favourite melodies EVER! Absolutely fantastic!


Hey, what about another thread? What is your favourite Amiga soundtrack? ;-D

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Will-i-am on May 02, 2004, 09:27:02 PM
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Lo wrote:
Dragon's Lair!  :insane:

They even sent out the solution on a paper telling you where to put your feet and when to move where and you STILL had no chance of not dying! Should have had unlimited lives. On the other hand, I think Myst should have been outlawed. How the hell can anyone be expected to recall which sound was playing when you moved a dial three miles back? Stupid freaking game even after I bought a walk-thru and cheated my way thru to the end.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on May 03, 2004, 02:53:48 PM
Hoya!

Lol, did not know for Dragon's Lair. Hehehe...

As for Myst, even if the game is difficult, I like its atmosphere very much. Looks like a Pink Floyd video ;-)

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: HE-MAN on May 03, 2004, 03:58:30 PM
How can so many think that Shadow of the Beast 1 was so hard. That was my first favorite computer game in my life. And I complete it before I was 7 years old. It was no big deal becase you get unlimeted life after you killed the first boss in the Tree Level.

But this game disepared in the shadows of my second favorit game in life Another World (Out of the world). This game is still one of the best I played in life.

But, by the way, I think Its strange that no one thinks Sierras adventure games are the hardest. I mean the Space Quest,King Quest and Larry games that you had to tape in all the time. And it was hard to see things on that screen. It can't be harder then that, I think.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on May 03, 2004, 04:22:54 PM
Hoya!

Hehe... Just try Alien Breed 2 then ;-P

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: Revolution on May 07, 2004, 11:16:06 AM
I agree, Alien Breed 2 was extremely tough. I find it a huge challenge to get through the 1st level with more than 1 life remaining.

Another really hard game was D/Generation (if anyone remembers it that is...). You began on the 80th floor and had to get to the 90th floor, and the toughest bits were the C/Generations which could disgise them selves as anything then come alive and decapitate you when you walked past them, and you could only kill them with a bomb.
Title: Re: What is the MOST difficult game on Amiga?
Post by: MAD on May 07, 2004, 01:50:45 PM
Hoya!

Although I know this game, I have never played it...

Another game comes to my mind...

Karate Kid 2.
Quite tough, isn't it? The first couple of guys are quite easy to defeat but the other ones are terminators!!!

Be funky

M A D