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Operating System Specific Discussions => AROS Research Operating System => Topic started by: OlafS3 on July 27, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
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I am now working on the transition from "Wanderer" to "Megellan" as Desktop. Thanx to the help our 68k genius PeterK and his icon library Magellan now perfectly works on AROS 68k. I hope to finish next version in the next two weeks.
Below screenshot showing Button bar and the two different views of Magellan (Icon/Text)
(http://aros-platform.de/Magellan_Neu.png)
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I'm going to dedicate a partition to your distro on my A3000/060 with Picasso IV Olaf.
How does it perform on real hardware compared to UAE?
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I'm going to dedicate a partition to your distro on my A3000/060 with Picasso IV Olaf.
How does it perform on real hardware compared to UAE?
that is something Wawa can better answer. From what he told becomes AROS 68k usable with Magellan (because the slow Wanderer is removed). AROS 68k is still slower in some areas (f.e. memory management). I did some benchmarks on UAE to compare and it seems that the cybergraphx routines are (partly) slower too. But I hope that using Magellan will mean a major step ahead (both functionality and speed)
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Great work! Keep it up!
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@Olaf
There will soon be a bugfixed Magellan that has proper 64-bit math routines for the proper calculation of large hard drive sizes, available space, etc.
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@Olaf
There will soon be a bugfixed Magellan that has proper 64-bit math routines for the proper calculation of large hard drive sizes, available space, etc.
Thanks for Info. Xenic has told me that there are still errors on OS3 so he recommends to stick with SASC version. The new version will propably be available at end of august and I will of course use it as soon as possible.
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Your configurations sounds good. It should be usable there.
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that is something Wawa can better answer. From what he told becomes AROS 68k usable with Magellan (because the slow Wanderer is removed). AROS 68k is still slower in some areas (f.e. memory management). I did some benchmarks on UAE to compare and it seems that the cybergraphx routines are (partly) slower too. But I hope that using Magellan will mean a major step ahead (both functionality and speed)
Have you tried Scalos with it at all? I vaguely remember that Scalos was faster than Magellen on 3.x machines.
Also, I'm wondering if the TLSFmem patch and StackAttack2 from aminet are compatible with AROS 68k? TLSFmem should give it a real speedboost if it is compatible.
Would I need to install a 68060.library or does AROS come with it's own?
Also I wonder if thor's MMULib package would work with AROS 68k too?
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new (small) updated. I just tested OWB (AROS Edition)
It works (with Javascript disabled)
(http://aros-platform.de/OWB.png)
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Have you tried Scalos with it at all? I vaguely remember that Scalos was faster than Magellen on 3.x machines.
Also, I'm wondering if the TLSFmem patch and StackAttack2 from aminet are compatible with AROS 68k? TLSFmem should give it a real speedboost if it is compatible.
Would I need to install a 68060.library or does AROS come with it's own?
Also I wonder if thor's MMULib package would work with AROS 68k too?
Scalos worked but only with JIT disabled (the reason why I never used it). If it is faster (or not) is not known to me. Magellan seems pretty fast (expecially when using it in filemode). StackAttack2 is already in my distribution, 68060 and MMULib are in (MMU works at least in Emu but only when JIT disabled). TLSFMem functionality is integrated in AROS 68k already.
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new (small) updated. I just tested OWB (AROS Edition)
It works (with Javascript disabled)
(http://aros-platform.de/OWB.png)
Very nice! :D
Scalos worked but only with JIT disabled (the reason why I never used it). If it is faster (or not) is not known to me. Magellan seems pretty fast (expecially when using it in filemode). StackAttack2 is already in my distribution, 68060 and MMULib are in (MMU works at least in Emu but only when JIT disabled). TLSFMem functionality is integrated in AROS 68k already.
Thanks for the info. I'll make sure to install MMULib and MuRedux as I have an 060 and it will probably fall over without them. If it doesn't work I will try it with the 68060.library, CyberPatcher and TagLIFE from Phase5.
Have you considered using the opensourced dos.library and scsi.device and a few other 68k replacement OS components that are on EAB from Don Adan and others? User mfilos here on this forum will be the best person to talk to about those projects I think.
Also I will try my registered copy of the 060 optimized HSMathLibs to see if they work on AROS 68k and report back to you.
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Very nice! :D
Thanks for the info. I'll make sure to install MMULib and MuRedux as I have an 060 and it will probably fall over without them. If it doesn't work I will try it with the 68060.library, CyberPatcher and TagLIFE from Phase5.
Have you considered using the opensourced dos.library and scsi.device and a few other 68k replacement OS components that are on EAB from Don Adan and others? User mfilos here on this forum will be the best person to talk to about those projects I think.
Also I will try my registered copy of the 060 optimized HSMathLibs to see if they work on AROS 68k and report back to you.
thanx. I am always grateful for feedback. Opensourced? I thought they have reassembled the original libraries and I am a little cautious when I integrate such components.
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thanx. I am always grateful for feedback. Opensourced? I thought they have reassembled the original libraries and I am a little cautious when I integrate such components.
I think like PeterK'k icon.library there is no CBM code left in some of those replacements as they've also been modified heavily now. I'm not certain though so it's probably best to ask the authors of each one.
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Also, may I make a suggestion for you to ask Ken for permission to use his famous 'Ken's Icons' set as the default icons set in AROS Vision as it would make look a bit more like a genuine Amiga OS. Although that's just my subjective and aesthetic opinion of course. :)
http://www.five-star.com/icons.htm
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two updates
hotkeys added...
Now I am working on file types with context menues. Here example "lha"
(http://aros-platform.de/LHA.png)
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Have you tried Scalos with it at all? I vaguely remember that Scalos was faster than Magellen on 3.x machines.
magellan is the fastest, sclaos is actually working too but there are some deadlock situations that are particularly visible with scalos to resolve. i advise to use magellan for the time being.
Also, I'm wondering if the TLSFmem patch and StackAttack2 from aminet are compatible with AROS 68k? TLSFmem should give it a real speedboost if it is compatible.
aros provides own tlsf implementation that isnt yet enabled on 68k. from my experience (chris hodges) tlsf was usually compatible with genuine 68k software. id wait till its implemented. stackattack was working.
Would I need to install a 68060.library or does AROS come with it's own?
no need for 060.library whatsoever. aros has its own implementation that gets automatically enabled via setpatch after system recognition. thats great about aros, no cpu library mess anymore!
Also I wonder if thor's MMULib package would work with AROS 68k too?
no need for that as well. it wasnt working before i dont know how it is now, but aros takes advantage of mmu where possible. enforcer functionality is implemented and can be enabled in startup sequence using this option:
arosbootstrap DEBUGMMU
segtracker should work with it should you want to debug non stripped executables.
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Good job OlafS3, looks nice.
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magellan is the fastest, sclaos is actually working too but there are some deadlock situations that are particularly visible with scalos to resolve. i advise to use magellan for the time being.
aros provides own tlsf implementation that isnt yet enabled on 68k. from my experience (chris hodges) tlsf was usually compatible with genuine 68k software. id wait till its implemented. stackattack was working.
no need for 060.library whatsoever. aros has its own implementation that gets automatically enabled via setpatch after system recognition. thats great about aros, no cpu library mess anymore!
no need for that as well. it wasnt working before i dont know how it is now, but aros takes advantage of mmu where possible. enforcer functionality is implemented and can be enabled in startup sequence using this option:
arosbootstrap DEBUGMMU
segtracker should work with it should you want to debug non stripped executables.
Thanks for the info wawa, much appreciated.
How is compatibility with WHDLoad games? Not that I play games very often tbh
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full compatible. I have preinstalled Rom Replacement that work with a lot of games.
http://www.aros-platform.de/html/compatibility.html
with original roms almost all games work
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thanx :-)
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a note on using aros on real hardware:
060 should be fine. easy way to setup aros on your amiga is to attach an amiga drive via usb to pc, download aros68k and contributions to a direstory set up as drive under uae, under uae to mount both the directory and the usb drive, copy the contents of dir to drive via uae and attach the drive to your amiga (all controllers should be fine, if not report back). its easy, i use to do that every other day or even more frequently.
what concerns performance: binaries will run with usual speed as under aos, confirmed 1:1 by benchmarks. where aros is slow its particularly some interface operations like gfx output (wanderer, zune, the graphics libs (intuition, layers and co may need optimizations that they miss since they ran before only on fast systems)). loading executables, partly disk operations are slower than they should be as well. some other areas, where apparent bugs play role. needs investigating and comparison with aros. memory allocation has been greatly improved lately, still 4 times slower than aos. hope this help.
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Can I use this with a mediator?
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Can I use this with a mediator?
zorro cards will work, but pci support is not yet in place, ive been told interrupt handling is missing. but i have mediator myself and my motivation would be to see some extended gallium based rtg/3d support this way. jason+pavel have promised to finalize pci support at some point, hidds for mediator and prometheus are already provided, so chances are actually good.
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next update
I have integrated LHA, ZIP, TAR and LZX support and directories. Next is animation and pictures.
Below is a screenshot of context-menu for directories. Magellan is really flexible.
(http://aros-platform.de/Directory.png)
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update
doubleclick support for BMP, GIF, IFF, JPEG, PNG, PBM, PGM
(http://www.aros-platform.de/Picture.png)
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Don't forget .8svx, 16sv, .wav, .shn, .flac, .etc
IOW everything the AmikitOS Distro supports.
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a few new impressions
the defined hotkeys
(http://www.aros-platform.de/Hotkey.png)
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ZuneDemo
(http://www.aros-platform.de/ZuneDemo.png)
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borderless icons
(http://www.aros-platform.de/borderless.png)
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Example of a new function that converts IFF24 in IFF8. Simply started by rightclick on icon and type in filename. Right 24bit, left 8bit.
(http://www.aros-platform.de/Convert.png)
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Don't forget .8svx, 16sv, .wav, .shn, .flac, .etc
IOW everything the AmikitOS Distro supports.
One step further... I use own developed small Hollywood programs (CLI) for showing picture, play videos, ANIMs and Music. Example here is AVI playing after doubleclick. I can support everything now that is supported by Hollywood. Quiet a lot :-)
(http://www.aros-platform.de/AVI.png)
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I am preparing the update for next week (lots of fun :-) ). A screenshot showing some features. On the right a freeware clipboard manager. On the middle a picture "on the desktop" and not by leave-out. You can simply draganddrop any files on the desktop that can be still opened and so on.
Further improvements:
AREXX files can be execute by "right mouse" and selecting a menu
With CTRL-C and CTRL-V you can select and copy files like on Windows
Files can be copied by draganddrop (standard behavior)
(http://www.aros-platform.de/Desktop.png)
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Why replace wanderer instead of refining it?. What advantages gives magellan?. If i'm not mistaken, is the old versionthat wen opensourced.
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Why replace wanderer instead of refining it?. What advantages gives magellan?. If i'm not mistaken, is the old versionthat wen opensourced.
I believe its the latest version magellan that was bought and open sourced so its a very good replacement of wanderer.
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Why replace wanderer instead of refining it?. What advantages gives magellan?. If i'm not mistaken, is the old versionthat wen opensourced.
It's not being replaced in the Aros core. But this gives distro maintainers a chance to work on other portions of their distros while wanderer in being improved.