APOLLO 68080 is now HYPER-THREADING enabled

[ferrellsl]

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=6668

[B00tDisk]

Software taking benefit from this is developed at the time being.

This is hilarious.

[ferrellsl]

This is hilarious.

That's no more hilarious than having multi-core PPC CPU's to run OS4.  How many years ago has it been that OS4 users were promised SMP?  Roughly 10 years if my memory serves me correctly.  AROS x86 has made great strides of late as far as SMP goes, so I expect hyper-threading support to make its way into the 68K version soon.

[kolla]

With the Gunnar, Amiga 68k is becoming more and more like OS4 - first an incompatible "tabor A1222" like modern FPU, and now multithreading and need for SMP... oh, I forgot AMMX... "Amivec" is next.

[kolla]

AROS x86 has made great strides of late as far as SMP goes, so I expect hyper-threading support to make its way into the 68K version soon.

Hmm, quite sure it was the Raspberry Pi 3 with its quad core that ignited the SMP work in AROS, so not x86, but ARM. Anyways, the AROS developers have said quite explicitly that there will not be any SMP support for AROS/m68k. So, how this hyperthreading will be utilized by Amiga products is not easy to guess.

Also, the news is that Apollo Core will have hyperthreading, not that the core running on Vampires will have it - those are two separate products, remember? The Amiga vampire platform is merely guinea pigs for the real product, which is the Apollo core.

[ferrellsl]

Hmm, quite sure it was the Raspberry Pi 3 with its quad core that ignited the SMP work in AROS, so not x86, but ARM. Anyways, the AROS developers have said quite explicitly that there will not be any SMP support for AROS/m68k. So, how this hyperthreading will be utilized by Amiga products is not easy to guess.

Also, the news is that Apollo Core will have hyperthreading, not that the core running on Vampires will have it - those are two separate products, remember? The Amiga vampire platform is merely guinea pigs for the real product, which is the Apollo core.

It doesn't matter what ignited it.  But of late, the progress with AROS SMP has been with the x86_64 version which I test on a regular basis and it works quite well.

Clearly Gunnar's announcement implies that the Vampire will support hyper-threading since the Vampire uses the Apollo core and not some other core.

But all of this remains to be seen.  At least there are some interesting things going on with regard to 68K development.

[Iggy]

That's no more hilarious than having multi-core PPC CPU's to run OS4.  How many years ago has it been that OS4 users were promised SMP?  Roughly 10 years if my memory serves me correctly.  AROS x86 has made great strides of late as far as SMP goes, so I expect hyper-threading support to make its way into the 68K version soon.

I'd actually agree with you here, its not at all hilarious.
There is absolutely no reason what so ever that 68K software could not advance toward the use of SMP.
And the features being incorporated into the Apollo core will offer much of the utility that is missing from older cpus like the 68K family.
If legacy compatibility can be retained, while modernizing the processor, I'm all for it.

Given the slow progression of OS4, if that community isn't careful, it may find that the legacy community has caught up to them by the time they are ready to release OS4.2.

Now THAT would be hilarious. 68K continuing to be developed, while PPC go by the wayside. And instead of OS4.2 or OS5, AROS becomes the platform of choice for Amigans.

It COULD happen, so I for one, thank Steven for making the post.

[B00tDisk]

That's no more hilarious than having multi-core PPC CPU's to run OS4.  How many years ago has it been that OS4 users were promised SMP?  Roughly 10 years if my memory serves me correctly.  AROS x86 has made great strides of late as far as SMP goes, so I expect hyper-threading support to make its way into the 68K version soon.

I just think it's hilarious that "Software for this is coming!" vs software already written for a known quantity (FPU), and him saying "Ohhh there's nothing important that uses the FPU" despite 3d artists, and people who like to play 3d games like Quake and variants.  That's the funny part, to me

[Iggy]

I just think it's hilarious that "Software for this is coming!" vs software already written for a known quantity (FPU), and him saying "Ohhh there's nothing important that uses the FPU" despite 3d artists, and people who like to play 3d games like Quake and variants.  That's the funny part, to me

I don't ever remember Steven suggesting an fpu didn't have utility, although many others have.
One thing many of you forget is he DOES actually know quite a bit about computing (six years of education...he damned well better), SO...any disagreements I may have had with the man aside, I do agree with him on this.
Hyperthreading DOES sound useful.

[B00tDisk]

I don't ever remember Steven suggesting an fpu didn't have utility, although many others have.
One thing many of you forget is he DOES actually know quite a bit about computing (six years of education...he damned well better), SO...any disagreements I may have had with the man aside, I do agree with him on this.
Hyperthreading DOES sound useful.

Oh I don't think he's not smart or anything of the kind!  I just find it lulzworthy, that's all.  No real utility for FPU (rendering packages and games that use it already exist) vs. Hyperthreading!...for which there is no (current!) use.  It's like...dude make up your mind XD

[Gulliver]

Wow, it is great, it seems they are strictly following their own roadmap.

I hope they build a fully integrated 4 bit ALU as a next feature, or complete PDP opcode implementation.

[B00tDisk]

wow, it is great, it seems they are strictly following their own roadmap.

I hope they build a fully integrated 4 bit alu as a next feature, or complete pdp opcode implementation.

f'in LOL

[Faerytale]

This Gunnar is like GOD. He makes miracles, we want to believe in him & keep the faith, but  nobody has seen him.

[utri007]

Majority of Amiga's softaware has been made 1985 -2000, nothing will change that.

So most important feature of Apollo core is compatibility to previous CPUs.

So, for my point of view they are going to wrong direction.

Anyway this is their hobby Project so  they do what tehy want to do. Some reason they are not interested to FPU, wich is disspoints me, but I have my 68060 acceleratos, so I can live with it.

Just got my Apollo 68040  upgraded to 68060.

[Iggy]

This Gunnar is like GOD. He makes miracles, we want to believe in him & keep the faith, but  nobody has seen him.

Ahem...



http://www.greyhound-data.com/gunnar/gunnar.jpg

Not hard to find images of Gunnar "Big Gun" Von Boehn, you can keep your faith, but a God...no.