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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: AmigaNG on March 01, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
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Looks like due to the recent Settlement between Amiga Inc and Cloanto
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP
CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name. :) Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be. "
Now I'm just wondering does this mean Cloanto now could use the name? Amiga Forever renamed Workbench 5 :eek:
Who actually own Workbench name and who can use it?
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Looks like due to the recent Settlement between Amiga Inc and Cloanto
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP
CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name. :) Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be. "
Now I'm just wondering does this mean Cloanto now could use the name? Amiga Forever renamed Workbench 5 :eek:
Who actually own Workbench name and who can use it?
Commodore Amiga own it in Iran and the rest of the free world.
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Awe naw... :(
Another ruddy thread about bullshit... :(
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well it's a small step in the right direction & this will make amigans less sour about their PC's with Linux skins
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Awe naw... :(
Another ruddy thread about bullshit... :(
Send a thank you note to amiga management, who has made all of this possible.
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Send a thank you note to amiga management, who has made all of this possible.
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It's debatable as to who to address that email to.
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I love how they try to spin their loss to their favor. They sound just like my kids:
"Well fine, you boobyhead! I never wanted that name in the first place. You can have your stupid name. Commodore OS is a way better name anyway. That's was I was going to use anyway. I just said Workbench 5 'cause I... um... I... well.. just to bug you. 'Cause you're a boobyhead! Now leave me alone so I can go sulk in the corner."
:roflmao:
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It's debatable as to who to address that email to.
Reply to addressbook #? all.
Recursive should cover the sub-directories nicely.
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Commodore OS is the name currently but it is subject to change.
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Show they still brain (but no Amiga heart).
Well, first Commodo appeared on their web site, we used to joke its antivirus.
Makes no difference their big skinning has other name to their project.
AmigaOS 5 (and Workbench 5) can only be result of progress of OS 4.0
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Amiga goes PowerPC RISC
http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79
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Commodore Amiga own it in Iran and the rest of the free world.
Double dat!
Some of the retired dictators will be hired to help their worldwide domination :-)
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Amiga goes PowerPC RISC
http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79
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Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
Another sad case of their wild self exponations that generaly inslut AmigaOS and Amigas. There has been no CBM 64/128 related products aside from emulation joystick and boards, C64x is still a repacked ITX or small ATX modern PC clone board, while Amiga boards and AmigaOS are on sale and in development. Classic time Commodore Amiga brend was result of both, as Commodore USA and Commodore USA Amiga brands are result of nothing but licence purchase.
Hope this kind of their propaganda will not make much Amiga related news, now we are at least free to use our trademarks.
Last petition was to ask that they note use exact numeration of models, and they would be left to live with their fantasies. Mind that they have purchased just licence to use Amiga name in All In One computers like Phoenix and their Commodore64x
A petition was set to POLITELY ask CUSA to change their Amiga naming convention.
Text is
To: Commodore USA
It has come to our attention that Commodore USA is about to launch a new line of "AMIGA(tm)" branded computers using the classic Amiga(tm) naming convention. These new computers have absolutely nothing in common with the old Amiga(tm) computers other than the name.
By the reuse of the classic Amiga(tm) names we firmly believe that this will confuse potential users of the AmigaOS(tm) platforms, i.e. the AmigaONE(tm) line of computers.
Your "Amiga 1000x" model for instance will most likley be confused with the "AmigaONE X1000" from A-EON. The Amiga community today is focused around the AmigaOS and its derivatives. While Commodore USA might not see this as a primary market a lot of work both commercial and non-profitable has been put into the success of the Next Generation AmigaOS and the AmigaONE hardware. That is why the sudden introduction of a new Commodore branded Amiga 1000x could be seen as a way to buy into this success.
This is the reason why we wholeheartedly appeal to you to reconsider using the old classic Amiga numbering in your new line of Commodore Amigas.
Sincerely,
Link is
http://www.petitiononline.com/newamiga/petition.html
Knowing their PR, I doubt even strong petition would influence them,
but I have signed it.
My objection is not only confusion to AmigaOne series, but to Amiga Classics.
Some people still use Classics, and they are not reproducing Classic models of any kind. Having EXACT same name of the old and new model IS confusion (e.g. how to threat it on Wikipedia etc.). However, knowing it will be simple PC`s I doubt they will also ever enter Amiga history pages or Wikipedia articles: they have nothing to do with AmigaOS`s which is real Amiga criteria.
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Your "Amiga 1000x" model for instance will most likley be confused with the "AmigaONE X1000" from A-EON.
This is like confusing the Tooth Fairy with the Easter Bunny.
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Whoever made petition made a bad example.
But Commodore Amiga 1000 is easy to confuse with Comoodre USA Amiga 1000, special if later has no USA in name.
It for sure isnt this computer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nwJMjhiwM
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So when will Cloanto go after all other Workbench systems out there? :)
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Double dat!
Some of the retired dictators will be hired to help their worldwide domination :-)
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AmigaOS 3.5 & 4.1 registered user
Amiga goes PowerPC RISC
http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79
The brave Iranian people overthrew their Imperial Puppet Dictator in 1979.
Remind us how long the Chetniks put up with Bolshevik rule for?
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Commodore Amiga own it in Iran and the rest of the free world.
Nicholas, aren't you late for a revolution some where?
So there, how professional / smart is this x-satellite hustler? Sets out, uses some trademark name that's not his, gets shot down. So what, keep moving, these dummies will buy anything. - That's what he thinks of us.
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Nicholas, aren't you late for a revolution some where?
The second (and long over due) American Revolution could learn a lot from the Islamic Revolution. Take your country back my friend!
So there, how professional / smart is this x-satellite hustler? Sets out, uses some trademark name that's not his, gets shot down. So what, keep moving, these dummies will buy anything. - That's what he thinks of us.
Anyone who buys something from him really is a dummy! :)
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My Iranian relatives are moving as much of their assets outside of Iran while they can. They feel the fake Ayyatollah is nearing the end of his rule and that once he's ousted the secret police will go on a rampage.
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My Iranian relatives are moving as much of their assets outside of Iran while they can. They feel the fake Ayyatollah is nearing the end of his rule and that once he's ousted the secret police will go on a rampage.
Khaveh sho munafegh pedar sag.
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Another sad case of their wild self exponations that generaly inslut AmigaOS and Amigas. There has been no CBM 64/128 related products aside from emulation joystick and boards
In many ways Commodore community is a much healthier and more vigorous than amigoid one (and there's no infighting, everyone is enjoying themselves). There are tons of wicked HW projects too, for example: http://www.1541ultimate.net/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=20
And I'd be inclined to agree that as a brand Commodore is much more recognizable than Amiga.
Hope this kind of their propaganda will not make much Amiga related news
Regardless how we might feel about them they've every right to get their newsitems published. amiga.org is free for all.
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And I'd be inclined to agree that as a brand Commodore is much more recognizable than Amiga.
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I don`t. AMiga was Commodores best selling brend, but Commodore has lead Amiga to death. Amiga outlived Commodore, this is just an optical illusion, copyright zombie exploit.
Commodore 64 and 128D were great computers, I enjoyed my slimp cheap version for East Europe for years.
But thats a dumb exponation from company whose first Commodore is not selling yet, and next they say they gonna zombify all Commodore Amigas (that will not even resemble original Classics).
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In many ways Commodore community is a much healthier and more vigorous than amigoid one (and there's no infighting, everyone is enjoying themselves). There are tons of wicked HW projects too, for example: http://www.1541ultimate.net/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=20
And I'd be inclined to agree that as a brand Commodore is much more recognizable than Amiga.
Regardless how we might feel about them they've every right to get their newsitems published. amiga.org is free for all.
Word Piru! So true, check out what I'm getting from lovely Finland in a few days:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/malinto/dualsid/gallery.shtml
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So when will Cloanto go after all other Workbench systems out there? :)
I have a Workbench(tm) in my garage.. I just decided to call it "Workbench XXX" ... sue me !
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Tom UK
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I don`t. AMiga was Commodores best selling brend, but Commodore has lead Amiga to death. Amiga outlived Commodore, this is just an optical illusion, copyright zombie exploit.
Commodore 64 and 128D were great computers, I enjoyed my slimp cheap version for East Europe for years.
But thats a dumb exponation from company whose first Commodore is not selling yet, and next they say they gonna zombify all Commodore Amigas (that will not even resemble original Classics).
C64 had about 2-300% more sales than all Amiga models.
oh and just to be clear Cloanto also need to go bankrupt sharpish so don't be a prick by buying their rubbish.
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C64 had about 2-300% more sales than all Amiga models.
Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?
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Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?
I think he may have been referring to this statement of yours:
AMiga was Commodores best selling brend
Amiga was not Commodore's best selling brand. The C64 far outpaced it in sales and popularity. Whether this helps CUSA or not doesn't seem to have been in the mix.
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Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?
Your English no good? You said Amiga was Comodore's biggest success. Wrong, that would be C64 @ 17+ million sold (lowest estimate).
I don't care about C=USA OR Cloanpoo :)
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Your English no good? You said Amiga was Comodore's biggest success. Wrong, that would be C64 @ 17+ million sold (lowest estimate).
I don't care about C=USA OR Cloanpoo :)
Oh, so 8-bit times were that BIG? And how many Sinclair ZX Spectrums were sold
P.S.
Can you please find me the SInclair QL numbers - that is a secret!
OK, I admit I was mistaken. But in my idealism Amiga has brought us to 32-bit digital consumer and creation era (digitizing, music, art, drawing, gaming, BBBS ...) and Commodore Bussines Machines were nice, but a bridge to it.
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Awe naw... :(
Another ruddy thread about bullshit... :(
am sorry "bullshit" tm is trademarked to amiga inc there hoping to annouce a product based on
very soon and secret top secret partners on project
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GOOD. I'm glad they dropped the Work Bench name. It has nothing to do with Work Bench sources.
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I'll ever say: i hope the best for commodore, just for the name. And because they remember my very youth. If i think of those afternoon when i was thirteen playing platoon on my c64 or defender of the crown on my a500...
But amiga isn't linux...
edit: i miss commodore in the same way i miss reagan, the cold war, f111, voyager, crazy ball and twisted sisters... is it a bad thing?
edit2: gimme back my reaganian hedonism!!! mr michael j.fox where are you now?
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Damn, you folks can beat a topic into the ground!
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check out what I'm getting from lovely Finland in a few days:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/malinto/dualsid/gallery.shtml
Sweet! :)
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Word Piru! So true, check out what I'm getting from lovely Finland in a few days:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/malinto/dualsid/gallery.shtml
Goose: Do you know if this has any advantages over the SID2SID? I just received three 6581's in the mail for $22 shipped with fuses, and was about to goto work.
The one thing I'm wondering is if this board comes populated already or not. That's the down side (or up side depending on your perspective) is that you have to populate the board your self.
EDIT: NICE, you can order it pre-populated! :)
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Dedication for most popular brand "Femmodore"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83-GtlCzek
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Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.
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Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.
I like the cut of your jib, Good Sir.
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Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.
:roflmao:
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The hype continues. Still not one shipping product, unless you count their cto who is the only known purchaser of one of their products.
So far :
Starting using commodore name before having legal permission to do so.
Launched a website before having legal permission to use the commodore name or trademarks.
Starting using workbench name before having legal rights to do so.
copied and pasted apples website to their own site. (never admitted, but its been proven multiple times)
Ceo threatens to sue osnews.com for stating facts.
Ceo retracts legal threat after realizing what an asshole he is.
Lots of announced then cancelled new products.
First trashed, then embraced aros, then switched to using ubuntu with a commodore wallper.
New products being announced every month, but not one shipping yet.
commodore stickers slapped on cybernet zpc's. (only one sold) The guy that bought one is their new chief technical officer.
They announce a new Commodore/amiga OS :
Commodore wallpapers on ubuntu. (Calling it workbench V)
A new company shipping amiga branded computers before them.
Somehow I'm not feeling very positive about this commodore "revival".
Steven
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This makes more sense, calling the C64x's OS Workbench5 was a dumb move in the first place.
It displayed a complete lack of understanding of the two [separate] classic C= platforms and diluted/confused the branding, (which shows a lack of marketing savvy).
Same behaviour as usual then for C= and Amiga IP holders.
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Goose: Do you know if this has any advantages over the SID2SID? I just received three 6581's in the mail for $22 shipped with fuses, and was about to goto work.
The one thing I'm wondering is if this board comes populated already or not. That's the down side (or up side depending on your perspective) is that you have to populate the board your self.
EDIT: NICE, you can order it pre-populated! :)
I'm getting 2 assembled! It is way better than that crap SID2SID.
"Second SID can be either 8580 or 6581 with any C64"
And it will work with MESSIAH too...
Read over the site, email the guy, he does PayPal, pretty reasonable I think.
To hook back into the subject if there's one still left, I think we are doing pretty good without a true mothership company, just look around. I think decentralized community / platform(s) is what will work, and be fun.
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Somehow I'm not feeling very positive about this commodore "revival".
Steven
C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers. Given the speed of this all coming together, it's going to have to have fairly stock OSs for it. The Amiga series, OTOH, is still being fleshed out while the C64x has very high priority. Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|
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@ haywirepc
I see you've changed your tune again about CUSA
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While I have no problems with people being pro or anti C-USA or anything else, I wish people involved with C-USA would, in the interest of full disclosure: state they have vested interests. Opinions from people with vested interests on controversial topics like this are obviously biased - just like they were when that CTO Leo guy was pounding the pulpit for "the cause".
Nothing personal Dammy, but you're a moderator over there on C-USA forums. That no doubt has some bearing on the things you say that some people here may be reading and accepting as personal and unbiased opinion without outside influences. Vested interests are vested interests, no?
I wouldn't expect a Ford salesman to try and sell me, or say a kind word - about a Chev product, but I'd expect the Ford salesman to admit he's a salesman for Ford, lol.
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C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers.
So is that 5 or 10 units?
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Nothing personal Dammy, but you're a moderator over there on C-USA forums. That no doubt has some bearing on the things you say that some people here may be reading and accepting as personal and unbiased opinion without outside influences. Vested interests are vested interests, no?
I wouldn't expect a Ford salesman to try and sell me, or say a kind word - about a Chev product, but I'd expect the Ford salesman to admit he's a salesman for Ford, lol.
Oohhhhh, busted. I didn't know that. Do they have any satellite dishes left?
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@ haywirepc
I see you've changed your tune again about CUSA
ahh... thank you... :)
thought for a moment there I had gone senile and me memory was playing tricks on me... ;)
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Damn, you folks can beat a topic into the ground!
Ha! What an understatement, its been beat into the ground, through the Earth's core and popped out on the otherside! Now their starting over. :(
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The hype continues. Still not one shipping product, unless you count their cto who is the only known purchaser of one of their products.
So far :
Starting using commodore name before having legal permission to do so.
Launched a website before having legal permission to use the commodore name or trademarks.
Starting using workbench name before having legal rights to do so.
copied and pasted apples website to their own site. (never admitted, but its been proven multiple times)
Ceo threatens to sue osnews.com for stating facts.
Ceo retracts legal threat after realizing what an asshole he is.
Lots of announced then cancelled new products.
First trashed, then embraced aros, then switched to using ubuntu with a commodore wallper.
New products being announced every month, but not one shipping yet.
commodore stickers slapped on cybernet zpc's. (only one sold) The guy that bought one is their new chief technical officer.
They announce a new Commodore/amiga OS :
Commodore wallpapers on ubuntu. (Calling it workbench V)
A new company shipping amiga branded computers before them.
Somehow I'm not feeling very positive about this commodore "revival".
Steven
gee you mean if buy pc they give me job sweet ceo of cleaning
Oh what grand design flawless great cpu power great os oh lovley.
hmmm
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C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers. Given the speed of this all coming together, it's going to have to have fairly stock OSs for it. The Amiga series, OTOH, is still being fleshed out while the C64x has very high priority. Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|
Maybe they were afraid real WB 5.0 might be out by that time?
(Black humor on both camps)
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Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|
I'm delighted with this sensible turn of events, but I'm still curious as before as to how they're gonna develop a new OS to beta level in just one year. Is it still going to be Linux-based à la Android etc., or is it new from scratch?
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The brave Iranian people overthrew their Imperial Puppet Dictator in 1979.
Remind us how long the Chetniks put up with Bolshevik rule for?
Certainly there needs to be a Zoo forum for you and Metalman (where is the old pig ? :lol:) to spit your selfish and anti-democratic slime in and on each other. This thread reads "Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS" doesn't it ?!
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If any of you seriously believe any of these "products" will ever see the light of day, you need your heads read. It's not even vapor-ware, it's imagine-ware, CUSA is just Amiga Inc mk2, put out a few press releases every few months, then deliver nothing, why? Because the Commodore/Amiga names are worth absolutely nothing commercially in 2011, and anyone releasing anything like they're describing would be bankrupt in weeks, not even "great business men" like Barry like literally pissing their money away.
I can't explain why guys like Bill/Barry like to do this, but I'd bet my first-born on the fact we'll never see any of these products actually launched, but of course, I said the same about Amiga inc back in 2004 and we're still waiting for OS 5 et al.
Commodore (the real one) lost loads of money selling Commodore branded PCs in the late 80s/early 90s, no one bought them when the company was a big player, Escom also failed in the mid 90s with their Commodore range, so did Tulip in the late 90s, Commodore Gaming also went belly up iirc in 2008/9, what makes CUSA so confident the time is now right for Commodore badged PCs to be a success when they flopped even when CBM were a 5 billion dollar company, recognised by everyone in the world, and at least 5 times since? Crazy talk.
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C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers. Given the speed of this all coming together, it's going to have to have fairly stock OSs for it. The Amiga series, OTOH, is still being fleshed out while the C64x has very high priority. Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|
Dammy, from what I gather you went to visit Barry and now you're Commodore USA's biggest supporter? I can't figure out if you're delusional, involved in the "company" somehow, or have just really bought into this BS?
If you're just a believer who desperately wants a return to the glory-days, I feel sorry for you, because I fear you're going to be very disappointed if you're pinning your hopes on this being a global relaunch of a successful Commodore brand, there is NO WAY this can be a successful project, even if any of it is actually real.
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Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?
Actually Barry talked to AI about using the name Workbench OS and they cleared it as they thought they would win the trademark issue with Cloanto. No harm done and a new name will be used.
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While I have no problems with people being pro or anti C-USA or anything else, I wish people involved with C-USA would, in the interest of full disclosure: state they have vested interests. Opinions from people with vested interests on controversial topics like this are obviously biased - just like they were when that CTO Leo guy was pounding the pulpit for "the cause"..
From what I see, it's one guy who's running this show, and a few other guys who are blindly believing everything he's saying, probably because they want to believe so bad that Commodore/Amiga can come back and be a big player again, it's kinda sad :(
I'd love to see the Amiga back in highstreet stores again (not in the way CUSA are proposing though), but I accepted many decades ago that it's never going to happen again, sometimes you need to know when to let go.
This whole thing actually reminds me of when old boy/girl bands from the 80s suddenly get the "great idea" of reforming 25 years on and expecting the same success they had at their peak, only to release a single that doesn't make the top 100, because the world has moved on, and then 6 months later they're back playing "Retro" nightclub events for $50 a night. But even Bananarama and Tiffany still have their fans on Twitter who believe they'll get number 1s again, doesn't mean it's ever going to happen though.
Similarly, saying you own a Commodore computer or you're a Commodore fan, will usually get the same reaction as saying you're a New Kids on the Block or Rick Astley fan, a little sneer and people thinking you're a bit tragic. At least the Amiga/Commodore has a nice nostalgic memory for most people, but no one would take these relics from another era as a serious name/product to buy today.
Someone should do a real survey of "normal consumers" and ask "Would you buy a new computer from Commodore or Amiga today?", I don't think the answers would be what you're hoping, probably the same as if they were asked "Would you buy a Hypercolor t-shirt or a rara skirt if we put them back on sale?".
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While I have no problems with people being pro or anti C-USA or anything else, I wish people involved with C-USA would, in the interest of full disclosure: state they have vested interests. Opinions from people with vested interests on controversial topics like this are obviously biased - just like they were when that CTO Leo guy was pounding the pulpit for "the cause".
Nothing personal Dammy, but you're a moderator over there on C-USA forums. That no doubt has some bearing on the things you say that some people here may be reading and accepting as personal and unbiased opinion without outside influences. Vested interests are vested interests, no?
For the record, I am not an investor of C=USA nor am I an employee of C=USA. Yeah, I do moderate, for free, CAO. If you look who is who on CAO, you will see a very strong and long term supporters for AROS. I was the first company (Black Troll Technology Corporation which is now known (named changed but still FL corporation) as Nostromo Inc) to sell AROS boxes. Nostromo Inc is no longer involved with computers or sales of computers.
I was the original person to start bounties up for anything Amiga related with my TeamAROS. Prior to all that, I ran a ProCNet BBS with free UUCP (newsgroups and email) in Palm Beach County for seven years. Do I get some tid bit of information here and there, yes, but then again so does a moderator on AO.
I wouldn't expect a Ford salesman to try and sell me, or say a kind word - about a Chev product, but I'd expect the Ford salesman to admit he's a salesman for Ford, lol.
Well I got some news for you then, I have no vested interest in C=USA. Happy now? So exactly which Amigalike computers/OSs do you currently have? In the name of full disclosure of course so we know who you are supporting.
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Actually Barry talked to AI about using the name Workbench OS and they cleared it as they thought they would win the trademark issue with Cloanto. No harm done and a new name will be used.
Fair play, I think it's about time you showed your C= affiliation in your sig though.
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So is that 5 or 10 units?
In the order of tens of thousands for the big box store, not sure what the major online retailer has ordered. When you start seeing the TV adds, you will understand the big picture.
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Hi Randy (AKA Dammy) ... :)
How's life out there in deep space aboard the Nostromo these days, not still being chase around by those big silver toothed acid bleeding aliens are you... ;)
Good thing you learned how to become an Instrument Pilot on one of those wee Fixed Wing aircrafts, came in handy for flying that ruddy big spaceship out there in deep space, just don't answer any more distress calls from stranded colonists on those far off worlds. Your most likely to pick up some more of those big nasty aliens again... :)
Hope you've kept a good supply of eXfuze to keep you hydrated and lively on those deep space flights piloting the Nostromo and while you wandering the universe remember to keep reading up on the US Postal Service and Nutrition as a lot of things can change back here on earth while your zooming about at the edge of the universe... ;)
Cheers
Franko
PS: make up your mind is Nostromo Inc a distributer of eXfuse or AROS Boxes... ;)
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Maybe they were afraid real WB 5.0 might be out by that time?
(Black humor on both camps)
Time is so very short, I don't think so. I have a feeling what is released on the C64x will be slightly modified Ubunto vs heavily modified Ubunto. What I'm so interested in will start after the C64x's launch as I really don't care much about Ubunto, I'm a Fedora user. ;)
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Fair play, I think it's about time you showed your C= affiliation in your sig though.
Should I also show Amiga Inc and Asiarim too? Some how I don't think any would be happy if I did. :)
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I own a SAM 440, A1200, Mac Mini running unregged MorphOS, and recently put together a spare PC and am running AROS on it.
We good? I never questioned your loyalty or preference in which system you use, I couldn't care less.
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Hi Randy (AKA Dammy) ... :)
How's life out there in deep space aboard the Nostromo these days, not still being chase around by those big silver toothed acid bleeding aliens are you... ;)
Good thing you learned how to become an Instrument Pilot on one of those wee Fixed Wing aircrafts, came in handy for flying that ruddy big spaceship out there in deep space, just don't answer any more distress calls from stranded colonists on those far off worlds. Your most likely to pick up some more of those big nasty aliens again... :)
Hope you've kept a good supply of eXfuze to keep you hydrated and lively on those deep space flights piloting the Nostromo and while you wandering the universe remember to keep reading up on the US Postal Service and Nutrition as a lot of things can change back here on earth while your zooming about at the edge of the universe... ;)
Cheers
Franko
PS: make up your mind is Nostromo Inc a distributer of eXfuse or AROS Boxes... ;)
Wow, I have my second internet stalker, Franko! I'm so happy. You and Atheist2 will look so nice sitting together while cyber-stalking me. Can we have a pic of you two sitting together? BTW, you have not dug deep enough yet, you're missing quiet a few things but I'm sure if you do not find it, Atheist2 will find it. Keep up the good work old chap!
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I own a SAM 440, A1200, Mac Mini running unregged MorphOS, and recently put together a spare PC and am running AROS on it.
We good? I never questioned your loyalty or preference in which system you use, I couldn't care less.
Those who have been on AO for any length of time knows which systems I've supported over the years.
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Wow, I have my second internet stalker, Franko! I'm so happy. You and Atheist2 will look so nice sitting together while cyber-stalking me. Can we have a pic of you two sitting together? BTW, you have not dug deep enough yet, you're missing quiet a few things but I'm sure if you do not find it, Atheist2 will find it. Keep up the good work old chap!
Oh don't worry Randy I've dug deep, very deep... ;)
Just keeping the good stuff in reserve for the right time old bean... :roflmao:
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Oh don't worry Randy I've dug deep, very deep... ;)
Just keeping the good stuff in reserve for the right time old bean... :roflmao:
Keep up the good work! Soon you can become my number one stalker! Atheist2 is spending too much time on youtube to keep up his #1 position as the top stalker.
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Keep up the good work! Soon you can become my number one stalker! Atheist2 is spending too much time on youtube to keep up his #1 position as the top stalker.
Awe c'mon, tell me please is it eXfuse or AROS... :)
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Awe c'mon, tell me please is it eXfuse or AROS... :)
Don't become a lazy git on me, work for it!
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I own a SAM 440, A1200, Mac Mini running unregged MorphOS, and recently put together a spare PC and am running AROS on it.
We good? I never questioned your loyalty or preference in which system you use, I couldn't care less.
But you don`t intend to use Commodo(re)OS?
Neither do I. Here is my celebration of its WB to Commodore Change!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83-GtlCzek
A new company that has got rights to the Amiga name and is planning some cool looking All in One computers, the only problem, it basically a PC not an Amiga, plus they have made matter worst by the way they handled them self in the community, using images that are not there's, threatening legal action (now dropped), attacking Aros users, and basically being ass holes. But hopefully we might get some cool looking cases out of it....but don't hold your breath. This video has absolutely nothing to do with CommodoreUSA
As response to news
CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name. Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be. "
(My repost have everything to do with CUSA)
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So far :
Starting using commodore name before having legal permission to do so.
Launched a website before having legal permission to use the commodore name or trademarks.
Starting using workbench name before having legal rights to do so.
copied and pasted apples website to their own site. (never admitted, but its been proven multiple times)
Ceo threatens to sue osnews.com for stating facts.
Ceo retracts legal threat after realizing what an asshole he is.
Lots of announced then cancelled new products.
First trashed, then embraced aros, then switched to using ubuntu with a commodore wallper.
New products being announced every month, but not one shipping yet.
commodore stickers slapped on cybernet zpc's. (only one sold) The guy that bought one is their new chief technical officer.
They announce a new Commodore/amiga OS :
Commodore wallpapers on ubuntu. (Calling it workbench V)
A new company shipping amiga branded computers before them.
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But you don`t intend to use Commodo(re)OS?
Neither do I. Here is my celebration of its WB to Commodore Change!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83-GtlCzek
Wowsers... didn't realise you were the one behind that neat little video, watched it quite a few times before, brought a smile to me grumpy old face... :)
Got me own little spoof ad ready and waiting for the day (if it ever comes) when "they who shall not be named" finally launch something... ;)
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Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.
I'm posting from my Ubuntu even as we speak :)
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It's beginning to look like Unix everywhere, Mac OS, Android, iOS, RIM's Play thing tablet. What an exciting time.
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It's beginning to look like Unix everywhere, Mac OS, Android, iOS, RIM's Play thing tablet. What an exciting time.
Well, everywhere if you don't count the 90% of computers in the world that run Windows I suppose.
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I have a feeling what is released on the C64x will be slightly modified Ubunto vs heavily modified Ubunto.
Firstly, its Ubuntu (only one vowel in there, no need to add in extras), and secondly, there is no such thing as a "heavily modified" Ubuntu. It will be ubuntu, drawing from ubuntu or medibuntu repos, and perhaps if BillyBob can afford serverspace somewhere, a "cawmmehDourOHS" repo that hosts their "Heavily Modified" Gnome DE.
As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year? OH! and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it? Yeah. Gonna happen. :lol:
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Firstly, its Ubuntu (only one vowel in there, no need to add in extras), and secondly, there is no such thing as a "heavily modified" Ubuntu. It will be ubuntu, drawing from ubuntu or medibuntu repos, and perhaps if BillyBob can afford serverspace somewhere, a "cawmmehDourOHS" repo that hosts their "Heavily Modified" Gnome DE.
As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year? OH! and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it? Yeah. Gonna happen. :lol:
After deciding to skin Ubuntu, what do they a whole year?
That does that means Commodore USA Amigas will be avail in 2012?
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And of course Ubuntu itself will always be debian at it's heart. Linux legacies are long and strong.
Firstly, its Ubuntu (only one vowel in there, no need to add in extras), and secondly, there is no such thing as a "heavily modified" Ubuntu. It will be ubuntu, drawing from ubuntu or medibuntu repos, and perhaps if BillyBob can afford serverspace somewhere, a "cawmmehDourOHS" repo that hosts their "Heavily Modified" Gnome DE.
As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year? OH! and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it? Yeah. Gonna happen. :lol:
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As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year? OH! and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it? Yeah. Gonna happen. :lol:
I never said they were going to write their own kernel, did I? If Apple didn't with their Billions in the bank, why would C=USA? Apple leveraged a lot of existing FOSS, and C=USA will more then likely follow suit as well, if not more so then what Apple did.
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After deciding to skin Ubuntu, what do they a whole year?
That does that means Commodore USA Amigas will be avail in 2012?
Far sooner, initially with Ubuntu or some tweak of it.
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At this point, I'm pretty sure it will be ubuntu with a commodore wallpaper.
Somehow, I'm not feeling very confident that they can accomplish anything other than renaming existing products.
Steven
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At this point, I'm pretty sure it will be ubuntu with a commodore wallpaper.
Somehow, I'm not feeling very confident that they can accomplish anything other than renaming existing products.
Steven
I would say that is a fairly safe bet. Considering support logistics of the end users (live phone support) with a fast startup, the support site has to be well trained prior to launch. Now a fully customized OS, support manuals can be written as the OS is coded and or modified but that all takes a significant amount of time to achieve. Both in code and support being developed. Even more so if C=USA goes with their own support center, logistic demands increase rapidly.
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Far sooner, initially with Ubuntu or some tweak of it.
Ubuntu CommodoOS! Welcome 2011
Linux based OS with Amiga emulation
Now what and how accurate emulation?
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I would say that is a fairly safe bet. Considering support logistics of the end users (live phone support) with a fast startup, the support site has to be well trained prior to launch. Now a fully customized OS, support manuals can be written as the OS is coded and or modified but that all takes a significant amount of time to achieve. Both in code and support being developed. Even more so if C=USA goes with their own support center, logistic demands increase rapidly.
Once Linux is in place, Linux is all it will be. And Linux does not an Amiga make.
My humble opinion, of course.
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Well, everywhere if you don't count the 90% of computers in the world that run Windows I suppose.
The NT kernel isn't that far removed from those products.
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I think he's saying they want to be another Apple, with their own app store and legions of mom & pop coders. Or maybe he just watched Steve's presentation and is confused.
Once Linux is in place, Linux is all it will be. And Linux does not an Amiga make.
My humble opinion, of course.
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Once Linux is in place, Linux is all it will be. And Linux does not an Amiga make.
My humble opinion, of course.
IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux. It needs a custom OS that will be different. C64x can be done with Linux, the OS is not the main draw but the retro games it plays will be it's main sell point.
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IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux. It needs a custom OS that will be different. C64x can be done with Linux, the OS is not the main draw but the retro games it plays will be it's main sell point.
So which publishers have they licenced games from?
Or are they still encouraging people to download pirated D64 images?
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IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux. It needs a custom OS that will be different.
See, this is the bit I still don't understand. A new, custom OS is great, it means it might actually be Amiga-like in the same way that AROS is... But what software will it run? If it's not based on Linux or something similar, how will it run OpenOffice, Firefox or any of the creativity software the new "Amiga" is supposed to be created for? Or is the CUSA development team going to develop the whole OS *and* port all these huge apps and all their dependencies? If they don't port the apps it'll be in a worse state than AROS is for launch. And that's not going to make them significant money either.
Look at Haiku: Several years in the making, it's only at Alpha 2 release, it has an out-of-date browser which has just been replaced by a newer, sometimes unstable one, and an unusably unstable office suite. I know it's largely a volunteers project, but do CUSA really have the developers to pull that off?
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So which publishers have they licenced games from?
Or are they still encouraging people to download pirated D64 images?
Looks like they've changed the wording on the website so they no longer officially condone piracy... Maybe we should charge them for all the consultancy and legal advice these forums provide them ;)
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See, this is the bit I still don't understand. A new, custom OS is great, it means it might actually be Amiga-like in the same way that AROS is... But what software will it run? If it's not based on Linux or something similar, how will it run OpenOffice, Firefox or any of the creativity software the new "Amiga" is supposed to be created for? Or is the CUSA development team going to develop the whole OS *and* port all these huge apps and all their dependencies? If they don't port the apps it'll be in a worse state than AROS is for launch. And that's not going to make them significant money either.
Look at Haiku: Several years in the making, it's only at Alpha 2 release, it has an out-of-date browser which has just been replaced by a newer, sometimes unstable one, and an unusably unstable office suite. I know it's largely a volunteers project, but do CUSA really have the developers to pull that off?
It is a big problem, but it is not impossible to make it run Linux apps out of the box, something like MOS does with the ABox for the Amiga PPC.
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Ummm, so they'll build an emulation of a Linux kernel, X server, desktop etc. in a sandbox with full API pass-throughs to their new OS? Wow, now I'm *really* interested in how they'll manage to write all that from scratch. Or will it be Linux in a virtual machine?
I guess if they keep the applications with their own desktop environment separate from the actual OS desktop it wouldn't be that hard, but then it's more like AmiCygnix than ABox. That'll work (it does on AmigaOS4), but it certainly won't feel integrated or professional doing it that way.
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Ummm, so they'll build an emulation of a Linux kernel, X server, desktop etc. in a sandbox with full API pass-throughs to their new OS? Wow, now I'm *really* interested in how they'll manage to write all that from scratch. Or will it be Linux in a virtual machine?
I guess if they keep the applications with their own desktop environment separate from the actual OS desktop it wouldn't be that hard, but then it's more like AmiCygnix than ABox. That'll work (it does on AmigaOS4), but it certainly won't feel integrated or professional doing it that way.
Mind you, that was just me saying one of the ways of incorporating Linux. It doesn't mean they'll do it that way.
I often find myself wondering one very important question. If it is not better, if it's not offering something new, why bother with reinventing the wheel? Just to be different? ahh... it works for hobby, but not on the serious market.
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All this talk is worthless. It will be ubuntu with a commodore wallpaper and theme. Thats about as innovative as you can expect from them.
Move along nothing to see here. We've all seen ubuntu. (snooze)
Steven
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IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux. It needs a custom OS that will be different. C64x can be done with Linux, the OS is not the main draw but the retro games it plays will be it's main sell point
Agreed.
But in order to support the development of a "custom" OS they need a stronger business model than the one they are currently presenting. Sales based on nostalgia isn't going to be enough to drive that kind of development.
Only time will tell...
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I often find myself wondering one very important question. If it is not better, if it's not offering something new, why bother with reinventing the wheel? Just to be different? ahh... it works for hobby, but not on the serious market.
Yep, that's what many of us have been trying to figure out. Having emulation layers to support non-native software in place of native software isn't better, it isn't new and it certainly won't fly in the serious market. So it looks like: a) it'll just be Linux with a more thorough skinning than the one on the C64x, maybe a new desktop at a push, b) a totally new OS with emulation to replace the lack of native software and modern features, which will be a marketing disaster, or c) CUSA have the funds to bankroll dozens of developers for several years to come up with a genuinely viable OS and ecosystem, and the marketing, support and distribution of it all.
Place your bets now please.
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If they're relying on nostalga then they'll be shit out of luck as a FPGA Arcade with Amiga, c64, atari st, arcade machine, etc cores will wipe the floor with anything they can produce.
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Yep, that's what many of us have been trying to figure out. Having emulation layers to support non-native software in place of native software isn't better, it isn't new and it certainly won't fly in the serious market. So it looks like: a) it'll just be Linux with a more thorough skinning than the one on the C64x, maybe a new desktop at a push, b) a totally new OS with emulation to replace the lack of native software and modern features, which will be a marketing disaster, or c) CUSA have the funds to bankroll dozens of developers for several years to come up with a genuinely viable OS and ecosystem, and the marketing, support and distribution of it all.
Place your bets now please.
I wasn't aiming at that... I was more speaking of Linux, more specifically Linux kernel and why would one need to write a new one.
If you go any other route than Linux, then you're bound to end up in a porting hell just like AOS, Syllable, Haiku and similar OSes are doing.
Very few native developments, mostly software ported from Linux/Windows.
In that situation, one musk oneself. Do I really need to invest and make a completely new OS just to run mostly the same apps/games that I'd do on Linux, but more buggy and slower? Obvious answer is obvious.
Naturally, if you're doing it for fun and hobby, why not. I'd do it. If you wanna be serious, UNIX/Linux is what is needed today.
I can't think of any major, successful OS(including desktop and mobile) in recent years that wasn't based on UNIX/Linux or wasn't POSIX, besides Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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You know who the real victims are here...The poor legal staff who have to listen to and deal with this bullshit...
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You know who the real victims are here...The poor legal staff who have to listen to and deal with this bullshit...
Crying in their chardonnay, I feel for them.
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In that situation, one musk oneself.
I'd rather not, if it is all the same to you.
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And of course Ubuntu itself will always be debian at it's heart. Linux legacies are long and strong.
Baby steps, Persia...baby steps. Dammy has a lot on his mind to go looking too deeply at the glorious twists and turns that are linux distributions.
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And Linux does not an Amiga make.
Not really relevant to the topic, but was that quote borrowed from Yoda?
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LOL!
Actually, I was going for Shakespeare. ;)
"To be or to be not. The question that is!"
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Agreed.
But in order to support the development of a "custom" OS they need a stronger business model than the one they are currently presenting. Sales based on nostalgia isn't going to be enough to drive that kind of development.
Only time will tell...
Depends on which line your talking about. C64x? Vic series? Amiga series? If your talking nostalgia for Amiga series, your quiet correct, there isn't any to tap into for the number of unit sales Barry is looking for. That will require something more special with excellent marketing.
For right now, just watch what happens with the C64x as that is the first product line to get the full effort. Vic and Amiga series will follow afterwards but you should be able to tell how it will all be done using C64x's launch as a benchmark.
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@ Dammy
Still waiting for the answer... Was it eXfuze or AROS you were distributing... :D
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Baby steps, Persia...baby steps. Dammy has a lot on his mind to go looking too deeply at the glorious twists and turns that are linux distributions.
Then you tell me exactly what C=USA is planning.
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@ Dammy
Still waiting for the answer... Was it eXfuze or AROS you were distributing... :D
You are being a lazy git. Go hunt the answer down like a good little stalker, I am not doing the work for you.
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Then you tell me exactly what C=USA is planning.
They're planning to rip as many gullible folk off as they can by selling an off the shelf parts PC running an emulator at (most likely) ridiculous prices and adding the various brand names to make it look legit...:D
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You know, I think this is the only conversation that actually has anything to do with the Commodore in this thread. ;)
ANyhoo, I wrote the guy, thankx for the link!
I'm getting 2 assembled! It is way better than that crap SID2SID.
"Second SID can be either 8580 or 6581 with any C64"
And it will work with MESSIAH too...
Read over the site, email the guy, he does PayPal, pretty reasonable I think.
To hook back into the subject if there's one still left, I think we are doing pretty good without a true mothership company, just look around. I think decentralized community / platform(s) is what will work, and be fun.
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Then you tell me exactly what C=USA is planning.
WELL, then! Lemme tell ya! They are planning on arriving way late to every party. The whole PC clone market was done back in the early 2000s.
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They're planning to rip as many gullible folk off as they can by selling an off the shelf parts PC running an emulator
Thats better than ripping gullible folk off with parts that aren't even good enough to be put on the shelf to be put in a PC.
As PC hardware is at the cutting edge & is the cheapest, it would seem financial suicide to do anything else (see X1000).
Alienware seem to do quite a good job of selling an off the shelf parts PC for a lot of money.
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Thats better than ripping gullible folk off with parts that aren't even good enough to be put on the shelf to be put in a PC.
As PC hardware is at the cutting edge & is the cheapest, it would seem financial suicide to do anything else (see X1000).
Alienware seem to do quite a good job of selling an off the shelf parts PC for a lot of money.
No knowing who or what "Alienware" was I googled it... :eek:
If they can sell PCs at those prices then my beliefs have just been confirmed, folk who buy such PCs are either gullible, naive, rich, not very bright, just plain stupid or any combination of these... :D
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Hmm... is there a point in having that "report" button here, kinda pointless removing the pathetic remark made by Dummy_2 about Dammy in the other thread and leaving this one here (post 112). reported it a couple of hours ago but it's still there... :(
(maybe it's something to with the lack of mods around here these days, some of them seem to have fallen off the edge of the earth... :))
(thank you (whomever) for removing that very offensive post... :))
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Depends on which line your talking about. C64x? Vic series? Amiga series? If your talking nostalgia for Amiga series, your quiet correct, there isn't any to tap into for the number of unit sales Barry is looking for. That will require something more special with excellent marketing.
Until a new business model emerges, they will still be subject to criticism they are receiving now. And, honestly, I can't think of any model in this day and age that can. I doubt, for example, that Barry's funds are any where near that of Google's.
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Until a new business model emerges, they will still be subject to criticism they are receiving now. And, honestly, I can't think of any model in this day and age that can. I doubt, for example, that Barry's funds are any where near that of Google's.
we'll see once the sales start.
I think C-64x and VIC-Book will do very fine.
New business model isn't needed because the current one hasn't yet been tested.
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Until a new business model emerges, they will still be subject to criticism they are receiving now. And, honestly, I can't think of any model in this day and age that can. I doubt, for example, that Barry's funds are any where near that of Google's.
I doubt Barry's funds are even anywhere near those of Franko's ebay account.
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Android on the Desktop? Might actually make sense, especially with a All-in-one like the HP Touchsmart.
But it's hard to see what party C=USA wouldn't be late to. Introducing new desktops in the beginning year of the tablet wars. Introducing media pcs in the year of internet TVs, etc.
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I doubt Barry's funds are even anywhere near those of Franko's ebay account.
Ere... how do you know how much dosh I've been spending on evilBay lately, (I've been hacked by Nickerlass...) :eek:
Even had a phone call from the bank on Tuesday they were about to freeze my accounts cos they thought someone had stole my details and gone on a spending spree... :)
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we'll see once the sales start.
I think C-64x and VIC-Book will do very fine.
New business model isn't needed because the current one hasn't yet been tested.
So exactly, IF C64/VIC do good (no reason why they shouldn`t, no reason why they should either as there are many PCs in many nice cases) THEN CUSA Amiga will be launched at all ELSE everything will be wapor as usual. Tan and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_Hw2zNcY
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So exactly, IF C64/VIC do good (no reason why they shouldn`t, no reason why they should either as there are many PCs in many nice cases) THEN CUSA Amiga will be launched at all ELSE everything will be wapor as usual. Tan and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_Hw2zNcY
So...if CUSA succeeds, everyone will listen to Reggae?
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The thought of Barry in dreadlocks.....
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I was always a fan of Toots and the Maytals:
[youtube]4x6IYNp4FXw[/youtube]
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Tan and see
What does this mean?
Are you threatening with melanoma?
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So exactly, IF C64/VIC do good (no reason why they shouldn`t, no reason why they should either as there are many PCs in many nice cases) THEN CUSA Amiga will be launched at all ELSE everything will be wapor as usual. Tan and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_Hw2zNcY
It will only do well if the "retro" community buys them in significant numbers, no "normal" users will be attracted to an expensive PC in a 30 year old designed case.
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I was always a fan of Toots and the Maytals:
[youtube]4x6IYNp4FXw[/youtube]
Nah, I doubt good people of CUSA know proper music :-)
Gkad you like Toots, big band, stil alive and kickin`
No, but I&I love MOS component is called "Reggae" :-)
Anyway, you are always welcome to come and check roots reggae & ragga at my YT http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79?feature=mhum
Back to topic: Now, they need not to realise CUSA Amigas at all, and we were all live happily after. They could go producing their fatty for eva.
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What does this mean?
Are you threatening with melanoma?
http://www.niceup.com/patois.html
TAN' : to stand; usually used in the sense of "to be". "A so im tan", "that is what he is like"; "tan deh!" or "yu tan deh!" means "just you wait!". "Tan tedy", stand steady, means "hold still". (5)
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No, but I&I love MOS component is called "Reggae" :-)
you know Toots coined the phrase Reggae, right? ;)
EDIT: Nice youtube channel! Now I gotta go dig up some beenieman now...
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It will only do well if the "retro" community buys them in significant numbers, no "normal" users will be attracted to an expensive PC in a 30 year old designed case.
The very community that they've managed to p1 ss off spectacularly before launching a single product.
They are doomed to failure.
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They should launch C=Jamaica man.
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The very community that they've managed to p1 ss off spectacularly before launching a single product.
They are doomed to failure.
Well I know that, so does anyone who did business skills for the 11+ at school, but there are still a fair few people here with their eyes closed and fingers in their ears singing "I caaaan't hear you, I caaaaan't heaaar you!!!" and insisting this will be the second coming of Commodore as a multi-national big player in the industry, rivaling Apple and Microsoft, I fear a few broken hearts coming :(
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you know Toots coined the phrase Reggae, right? ;)
EDIT: Nice youtube channel! Now I gotta go dig up some beenieman now...
Yup, Do The Reggae :-) However, it`was like "do the boogey", dance craze that has got meaning only later. To some its the music for the King, to some its just the easy one drop beat ....
Thanks. But no hate & slackness dancehall, see, and Beenie and some "dancehall soldiers" (I&I don`t call dem reggae) just fall short of that category. Macka B,Gentleman, Biga Ranx, Hornsman Coyote, Lutan Fyah, Turbulence ... I&I can recommend at this time and in dancehall music (but roots message) style!
Beenie is kind of "Jamaican chav" no matter how popular to me.
No, CUSA shouldn`t launch in Jamaica. They are very poor society and one laptop per child would do better. CUSA is made in USA, for USA by the USA (no thinking, just buy).
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The very community that they've managed to p1 ss off spectacularly before launching a single product.
They are doomed to failure.
Must say they have been very good at pissing people off.
I started career as someone who would be a nice person, interested in DreamCase when they do it, and asking them just to make full Amiga history on website (and with product) informing people AmigaOS 4 and MOS exist too (at that time they planned to use AROS). Even was thinking of their DreamCase A1200 All In One computer with AROS, Win7 and Ubuntu as possible 2012 PC.
Now after all the $$$$ they did, not only I will not buy it, but will never advise even a retro geek or fancy PC user to do it.
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Macka B,Gentleman, Biga Ranx, Hornsman Coyote, Lutan Fyah, Turbulence ... I&I can recommend at this time and in dancehall music (but roots message) style!
meh - sometimes you wanna hear about Jah, sometimes you want to know who has the keys to your beemer. :lol:
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CommodOS?
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Go away.
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So...if CUSA succeeds, everyone will listen to Reggae?
l always loved the track bad boys (sig for Cops)by " inner circle " had the cd
l think be really apt
what ya going do.... de de da da love ska also the specials selectar
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Well I know that, so does anyone who did business skills for the 11+ at school, but there are still a fair few people here with their eyes closed and fingers in their ears singing "I caaaan't hear you, I caaaaan't heaaar you!!!" and insisting this will be the second coming of Commodore as a multi-national big player in the industry, rivaling Apple and Microsoft, I fear a few broken hearts coming :(
I don't think that & I nobody else has given me the impression they think that.
I don't hate CUSA and I'm not pissed off with them.
I quite like the look of their c64, but whether I buy one comes down to price.
I suspect there are some rich people who wouldn't care what it costs (in fact the more the better for them) who had a c64 when they were young and just for a laugh they'll buy one.
I can't see them selling ten thousand of them, but depending on their costs and what they sell them for then that might still be worth doing.
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In hindsight I guess ExFuze and C-USA went bust.