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Title: Cloanto
Post by: amigakidd on April 21, 2008, 08:35:47 PM
I think they're the best.

Amiga Forever.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: trekiej on April 22, 2008, 12:36:09 AM
I wish they would make an Aros version.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: kreciu on April 22, 2008, 02:44:33 AM
I wish they would do something like AmigaSYS or AmigaKit... I bought Amiga Forever ONLY because I wanted ALL ROMES for UAE (yeap, I like to be legal ;) ). Other wise there is nothing "fun".

How do you say in English: They are sitting ducks... ;)

AND they ask me to pay for that? heh.

Make a AmigaKIT (AmigaSYS) plus original ROMs and 3.9 system and we have a complete "solution" (sound like advertisement of Windows...) for PC with WORKING Workbench and "stuff".


Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 22, 2008, 02:50:58 AM
Hmmm, I see they're now using Microsoft-style shill tactics in a desperate attempt to fix their shattered reputation.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Darrin on April 22, 2008, 04:50:12 AM
The Cloanto package is also a neat way of getting a pretty OS3.9ish system on your Amiga without actually buying OS3.9.

I installed OS3.9 on my A2000 with CV643D, but I wanted the look of the Amiga Forever OS3.x.  I copied it to an Amiga formatted hard drive, removed the P96 installation and replaced it with my CybergraphX v4 software, copied over my CD0: datatype and removed a few Cloanto UAE specific lines from their startup-sequence and User-startup and now my A2000 Workbench looks just like the Amiga Forever one.

Why the hell doesn't the Amikit package come with an installation for a real Amiga (or am I missing something)?
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 22, 2008, 05:48:18 AM
Why would buying OS3.9 be a bad thing? At least you would be rewarding H&P for doing quality Amiga development, not rewarding Cloanto for scumming the Amiga community.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Piru on April 22, 2008, 05:52:26 AM
@Minuous

(Ok I'll bite)

Err, last I checked H&P were the crooks, and Cloanto the good guys.

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I see they're now using Microsoft-style shill tactics in a desperate attempt to fix their shattered reputation

What shill tactics? Where?
How is their reputation shattered?

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rewarding H&P for doing quality Amiga development

H&P screwed everyone left and right. The product was buggy and incomplete, and included stolen AmiTCP/IP. H&P fsked up Amithlon, too.

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Cloanto for scumming the Amiga community.

How is Cloanto scumming the Amiga community? I just don't understand that bit at all.

But hey, checking your recent posts to some other threads and they've been equally trollish.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 22, 2008, 07:25:51 AM
>What shill tactics? Where?

In this thread! Ie. first post, it's clearly a shill.

>How is their reputation shattered?

Everyone is aware that they are leeching Commodore's IP without contributing anything positive, plus sending out C&Ds to various Amiga sites for no apparent reason.

Blaming H&P for Bernie's actions is a cop-out...Bernie should take responsibility for his own actions. I'm sure even he would admit that it was at his insistence and general whining and threatening that Amithlon was withdrawn, to the detriment of the community. I don't see how that makes him some kind of hero.

I'm no troll, but when I see this kind of mindless Cloanto fanboyism it's difficult to let it pass without at least warning other users about possible shill tactics. I don't think there's much point in writing, or reading, "yeah, great" posts, generally, so generally the only time I will post is when I read something that is greatly inaccurate or concerning.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Piru on April 22, 2008, 09:38:46 AM
@Minuous
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In this thread! Ie. first post, it's clearly a shill.

So basically every single post ever cheering -- say Hyperion -- is a shill too. clearly?

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Everyone is aware that they are leeching Commodore's IP without contributing anything positive

They are? As far as I know they actually paid for it.

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plus sending out C&Ds to various Amiga sites for no apparent reason.

Which sites? When? Documentation please.

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I'm sure even he would admit that it was at his insistence and general whining and threatening that Amithlon was withdrawn

Would he?

So what about this (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amitcp392.txt) then? Nothing wrong in H&P again right?

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I'm no troll, but when I see this kind of mindless Cloanto fanboyism it's difficult to let it pass without at least warning other users about possible shill tactics

Your reaction didn't leave any room for "possible".

Funny thing, many of us genuinely believe Cloanto has done some great things. Just the documentation database on their website alone is priceless source of information.

And lets not forget that without Amiga Forever there whould be no way to legally obtain AmigaOS KS ROMs at all.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: jmbattle on April 22, 2008, 09:48:59 AM
Yes, Cloanto are great.

And for those who do not like the standardised Workbench distribution, AmiKit, AmigaSYS, and probably even AIAB allow the system files to be copied over without problems.

Cheers,
James
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Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: alexh on April 22, 2008, 09:53:09 AM
Amiga Explorer by Cloanto is a GREAT program.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: AmiKit on April 22, 2008, 09:58:34 AM
@Piru

Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on April 22, 2008, 10:06:36 AM
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alexh wrote:
Amiga Explorer by Cloanto is a GREAT program.
My thought EXACTLY. Cloanto made it possible to let my A500, with only one workbench disk left, relive.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Andeda on April 22, 2008, 11:16:00 AM
Cloanto is great and should be supported in every way by this community.  
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Darrin on April 22, 2008, 01:01:43 PM
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Minuous wrote:
Why would buying OS3.9 be a bad thing? At least you would be rewarding H&P for doing quality Amiga development, not rewarding Cloanto for scumming the Amiga community.


I'm not with you.  I own OS3.9 disks, however, as Piru has pointed out, there is software included on them that H&P apparently had no right to include.

Cloanto is also fully licensed and legal as far as I'm aware (feel free to present evidence to the contrary).  I don't understand your reasoning for attacking them,   :-?
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 22, 2008, 01:48:50 PM
alexh wrote:
Amiga Explorer by Cloanto is a GREAT program.

A Windows program...

I worked closely with H&P on eg. OS3.9 BBs, they were always responsive, I should especially commend Martin Steigerwald.

As to the link given, without seeing the contracts and knowing all the facts it is difficult to be sure of the true course of events. On what can be measured objectively, ie. quality of work, H&P certainly delivered. I think that one of the worst events of the last few years was the hatred of H&P which eventually drove them out of the Amiga market. The Amiga community has seemed eager to persecute H&P.

I can only speak of my own dealing with them, certainly nothing solid seems to have been advanced by those seeking to condemn H&P. If the Amiga community is willing to forgive Elbox for their proven RDB trashing code, we should at least  not rush to judgement against H&P.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Piru on April 22, 2008, 02:01:56 PM
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A Windows program...

And what exactly is wrong with that?

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As to the link given, without seeing the contracts and knowing all the facts it is difficult to be sure of the true course of events.

GENESiS is just a GUI for the AmiTCP/IP. Selling the license (which wasn't transferrable in the first place!) to the GUI does not automagically give you everything else.

H&P knew it, as is quite clear from their offer to obtain the license after the fact.

This is a clear cut case of blatant stealing. Oh, and where is the network stack in AmigaOS 3.5?


Cloanto does not include GENESiS or any other unlicenced AmiTCP/IP files with Amiga Forever. Cloanto has some moral backbone at least.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 22, 2008, 02:16:22 PM
by Piru on 2008/4/22 8:01:56

>And what exactly is wrong with that?

When was the last time Cloanto wrote an Amiga program?

>GENESiS is just a GUI for the AmiTCP/IP. Selling the license (which wasn't transferrable in the first place!) to the GUI does not automagically give you everything else.

Seems like the blame would lie with the Genesis developers.

>H&P knew it, as is quite clear from their offer to obtain the license after the fact.

Seems to be an act of goodwill to the Amiga community, given that they were lied to by the Genesis developers.

>Cloanto does not include GENESiS or any other unlicenced AmiTCP/IP files with Amiga Forever. Cloanto has some moral backbone at least.

Yes, they include a crippled version instead of the real thing. I paid for my OS3.9, don't regret a cent, and don't see why the world's best OS should be crippled because of a dispute that has not even been brought before a court. Cloanto seem to be pre-judging the matter.

Rather than backbone, it could be interpreted as Cloanto being fearful of any possible source of litigation, and willing to distribute a crippled version of the AmigaOS rather than facing any such remote legal risk. Needless to say, such a suit would be brought against H&P before being brought against Cloanto, no such suit has ever eventuated nor looks likely to.

Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: amigakidd on April 22, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
I think I'm having doubts about Cloanto now,
My Amiga Forever CDs hasn't arrived yet.

See my other thread: Bad Experiences Delivery - Cloanto.

Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: tone007 on April 22, 2008, 04:58:39 PM
What a difference a day makes!
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: weirdami on April 22, 2008, 05:03:14 PM
@Minuous

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I worked closely with H&P...


I read all the posts before posting and you go ahead and give me something to actually quote in favor of the post I was going to make instead of posting something that would cause me to not post at all. I call YOU "shill".

 :roll:
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Piru on April 22, 2008, 09:45:48 PM
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When was the last time Cloanto wrote an Amiga program?

What's wrong with !=amiga programs? You're suggesting that Amithlon was all {bleep}, too? AROS devs are clearly wasting their time, too?

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a suit would be brought against H&P before being brought against Cloanto, no such suit has ever eventuated nor looks likely to.

That's why it called moral backbone.

It would not be right to profit from something that has shady legal status.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Fraccy on April 22, 2008, 10:28:39 PM
@ Minuous

Cloanto has written some of the best quality software available for the Amiga, and their company goes back a LONG way.

Looking at the rest of your post, I'd say you have an irrational grudge against Cloanto. Since you're so publicly venomous, I feel the need to speak out too, but I'll leave my reply at this...


@ amigakidd

My Amiga Forever CDs took a while to arrive too. Cloanto were kind enough to email me and apologise for the delay. Give them a chance: I've dealt with them for YEARS and have never been let down.

Amir
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: amigakidd on April 22, 2008, 11:07:20 PM
@ Fraccy

Thanks for the feedback. I was upset at them this morning when I found out that they didn't deliver the Amiga Forever 2006 Physical CDs since Michael Battilana told me that they were currently out of stock. He will speak to his production team and see if there is any available. Michael is really a nice guy and he actually took the time to send me the email and let me know whats going on. Their share-it customer service in my opinion sucks because they point you back to Cloanto.

Since I have the download, I plan not to run Amiga Forever menu since I don't like it. I bought it for the the official ROMS of course (to be legit), KX Light CD, and the Amiga Deathbed Virgil Videos to accompany On the Edge: Rise and Fall of Commodore Book. Plus Amiga Forever CDs look great in my collection next to Mindcandy: Amiga Demos vol.2 and ON the Edge. I'm a Amiga Collector (Newbie)

Since we will never see a Real Amiga Computer come out in the market anytime soon, I'm creating my own personal distro (WinXP lite install with WINUAE) that uses Cloanto licensed ROMS. This will run on my Asus eee PC.
See my architecture below. You can do the same if you don't want to run Amiga Forever as the actual emulator frontend. I'm saying you don't have to be tied to them, but you must use their ROMS to be legit.


My Distro - Open Architecture
Project Codename: Jay Miner
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Amiga Games (ADFs loaded on SDHC SD Cards)
and/or Preserved Games/Apps/Demos on CD.
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INPUT Layer: (X-Arcade, KEYBOARD, JOYSTICK)
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Virtual Machine Layer:
WINUAE 1.4.6 (Can be upgradable as time goes on)
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Amiga OS Kernel Layer:
KICKSTART ROMS & WORKBENCH ADFS (CLOANTO Licensed)
Permanent ROMS and ADFs
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Host OS Layer:
WIN XP or Mac OS X
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Hardware Layer:
Asus EEE PC or Hardware of Choice



Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 23, 2008, 12:19:12 AM
>It would not be right to profit from something that has shady legal status.

AFAIK no evidence has been produced by the relevant developers to justify their claims. If I went around saying things like "OS4 is infringing on my IP" without producing any evidence of this, would that mean that everyone selling OS4 would be lacking in "moral backbone"? Or the same for Windows, or MacOS?

>I'm saying you don't have to be tied to them, but you must use their ROMS to be legit.

This is nonsense. It's annoying to see this kind of misinformation. I suppose by this logic it would be illegal to use A-Max even if you own the Mac ROMs because it is not a solution that is officially approved as "legit" by Apple.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Fester on April 23, 2008, 12:24:56 AM
I'm sorry to see this thread.

Cloanto's Amiga Forever was how I got back into the Amiga. I purchased two of the latest versions on CD and would not hesitate to purchase the next version.

This is an excellent piece of software. Its title is fitting.

My two cents.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: amigakidd on April 23, 2008, 12:29:35 AM
In our situation in the Amiga Community is that Old Hardware is either dying or non-functioning. Emulation is really the way to preserve this, until A-Inc up in Washington comes up with new Amiga hardware, unlikely.
Morph OS? Will never be mass produced to the masses.
Only Hope now to relive Amiga: PC or a Mac with emulation software with your purchased ROMs.

You can emulate legally the Amiga without actually using Cloanto's Amiga Forever Frontend (Which I think is bloated), using just WINUAE, Fellow, E-UAE, UAE, but they are the only provider of legit ROMS or you can transrom it yourself to a PC/MAC.

Let's say in 5 years, when my PC dies, I still have access to the legit ROMs I bought from Cloanto as long as the license keys exist as proof. Or If I move from a PC to Mac, I think Macs use MacUAE, so it would still be possible to emulate the past without losing anything.

Emulation is true preservation of media, all you have to do is jump to computer to computer as time goes on as long as you have your legit ROMs and access to a UAE emulator.


Does this make any sense?
 
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 23, 2008, 01:23:27 AM
I have nothing against emulation.

But people seem to think that using Cloanto's crippled ROMs is the only way to do it, this is wrong.

There is no need to dump them yourself either, if you are the owner of said ROM then you can use said ROM image. There is no need to laboriously generate a ROM image, it is more convenient to download one. As the two would be bit-exact equivalents it does not matter how they were generated.

Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: amigakidd on April 23, 2008, 02:09:09 AM
@ Minuous

I agree with your point that the masses, at least the majority of the Amiga Community thinks that Cloanto's licensing of ROM is the only way. It is true to a marketing standpoint of licensing, but I agree with you on Cloanto's domination of the Kickstart ROM images on the Emulation Market. They do have a monopoly on licensing Amiga ROMs and the Workbench Disks. They get all the press coverages on the web, classic gaming expo, and such.

To me, that's evil, but for now its the only way. Now, I don't have an actual Amiga 500 or any Amiga machine at my disposal, but I don't want to hack out the ROM and transfer it to my PC. That takes a long time and I'm not a hardware guru.

I think what you want is another alternative besides Cloanto and transrom. I wish there is a competitor, not to my knowledge. I have learned to like Cloanto, but I don't like their bloated menu frontend to Winuae or their customer service. I like them because they're part of the Amiga Community, they're part of the original boat of developers from wayback. The ROMS breathe life to UAE in general. Without it, WINUAE or UAE is just a stupid application file.

Sure I can download them from a torrent site if I want to, but as an Amiga Fan, I shelled out money to pay for Amiga ROMS, equivalent to buying a real machine, but way cheaper.
I cared about the early developers and those at Commodore who devoted their lives to Amiga. I bought my ROMs not just to have a clear conscience, but to honor the past.
I bought ROMs too to become part of the community, even though I use a PC to run my Amiga games and Software - Accessibility.

I just wish as an alternative, there would be an open source kickstart from GPL. I guess that would make some happy. Hey anything can be open-sourced right? Why not.

As Amiga citizens, What we should be fighting is Apple and Microsoft, not Cloanto.  
:-D
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Piru on April 23, 2008, 03:01:08 AM
@Minuous
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AFAIK no evidence has been produced by the relevant developers to justify their claims. If I went around saying things like "OS4 is infringing on my IP" without producing any evidence of this, would that mean that everyone selling OS4 would be lacking in "moral backbone"? Or the same for Windows, or MacOS?

There is a "small" difference: It is fact that NSDi Network Solutions Development Inc. wrote AmiTCP/IP, and it is a official press statement by the company, not some random post by some developer. I find it credible.

If you went around claiming such things you'd just sound retarded.

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But people seem to think that using Cloanto's crippled ROMs is the only way to do it, this is wrong.

How are they crippled exactly, if I may ask?

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if you are the owner of said ROM

And if you're not, and there would be no Cloanto, you would be forced to source ebay or fleamarkets for amigas or ROMs. Now that would be silly.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 23, 2008, 03:26:04 AM
@Piru:

They are encrypted and require the use of a keyfile, ie. effectively DRM-encumbered. Unlike other ROM images, which are straightforward dumps.

@amigakidd:

>Now, I don't have an actual Amiga 500 or any Amiga machine at my disposal, but I don't want to hack out the ROM and transfer it to my PC. That takes a long time and I'm not a hardware guru.

Just download it then, you will end up with a byte-exact copy of what you would have dumped anyway.

>I like them because they're part of the Amiga Community, they're part of the original boat of developers from wayback.

Well, so were Microsoft, Electronic Arts, etc...

>I cared about the early developers and those at Commodore who devoted their lives to Amiga. I bought my ROMs not just to have a clear conscience, but to honor the past.

How much of your Cloanto money do you think is going to support the original Amiga development team? None, of course. Of course none goes to Hyperion either, I'm not necessarily saying that it should but at least that would help the Amiga. Maybe some of the money gets to Amino, but that doesn't help the Amiga: Amino have made it quite clear through words and actions that they only care about their AmigaAnywhere rubbish.

>I just wish as an alternative, there would be an open source kickstart from GPL. I guess that would make some happy. Hey anything can be open-sourced right? Why not.

Yeah but it would be less compatible as it would not be 100% the same.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: amigadave on April 23, 2008, 03:58:30 AM
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Fester wrote:
I'm sorry to see this thread.

Cloanto's Amiga Forever was how I got back into the Amiga. I purchased two of the latest versions on CD and would not hesitate to purchase the next version.

This is an excellent piece of software. Its title is fitting.

My two cents.


I agree, it is a shame to see this kind of bashing of a good group of Amiga developers that saw a need and filled it.

I am sick of these so called "Amiga Enthusiasts" that always want something for nothing and probably weren't even out of diapers when the Amiga was first released.

It is a sad trend and a scary future ahead of us when the young people of the world take over with no honor and integrity in their soul.

(here come the flames for saying all that out loud)
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: kreciu on April 23, 2008, 04:29:53 AM
I think I'm in the middle of this disscusion.

I'm happy that I could buy an oryginal Amiga ROM's for UAE and WHDload... actually nothing more.

I installed whole AmigaForever "distribution" and there was actually nothing special, WB 3.1 like in good old times ;).

This post I wrote on AmigaSYS4 WITH ROM3.1 from Clonto. I payed around $35 just to get the ROM's.

Thank you Clonto for ROM's ($35), thank you H&P for OS3.9 ($70), and finally thank you guys from AmigaSYS ($just for fun...) to make my Amiga/UAE running, VERY nice, with ALL needed software!! Also THANK YOU authors of all FREE software which is included with AmigaSYS/AmigaKIT

Who is DOING something... TODAY?


 :-D
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Minuous on April 23, 2008, 04:46:08 AM
>Also THANK YOU authors of all FREE software which is included with AmigaSYS/AmigaKIT

You're welcome. Any suggestions for improvement of said software will be considered.

Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Piru on April 23, 2008, 04:49:00 AM
@Minuous
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They are encrypted and require the use of a keyfile, ie. effectively DRM-encumbered. Unlike other ROM images, which are straightforward dumps.

Not quite. Launch the emulation, save the image to a file: Uncrypted. No more keyfile needed.

Or, if that is not enough, just use the GPL decrypt routine directly: memory.c (http://winuae.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/winuae/winuae/src/memory.c)

I wouldn't call that "crippled".
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on April 23, 2008, 12:28:45 PM
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Minuous wrote:
alexh wrote:
Amiga Explorer by Cloanto is a GREAT program.

A Windows program...
AND an Amiga program.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: kgwhdload on April 23, 2008, 01:53:38 PM
I've heard nothing but good things about Amiga Explorer but have never used it so can't comment.

I have however tried Amiga Forever and certainly wouldn't pay money for it, not when much better, free solutions exist such as ClassicWB.

Anyone who is looking at getting in to amiga emulation should skip over getting Amiga Forever, grab a kickstart rom from somewhere (maybe an awesome boot sale) and test out ClassicWB (or something like AmiKit for a more 'uptodate' setup).

Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Framiga on April 23, 2008, 02:25:26 PM
Amiga Forever 2008 (http://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/20071218update/) is coming! :-)

Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: kgwhdload on April 23, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
Wow, I can't wait for "a revolutionary new way to experience Amiga emulation"  :roll:
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: kreciu on April 23, 2008, 03:52:41 PM
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Framiga wrote:
Amiga Forever 2008 (http://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/20071218update/) is coming! :-)



hhmm, I hope I will get my "update" I just bought cheap download version... other think is Workbench, I hope THERE will be some updates too... not just a change of the colors in Windows "Luncher"...
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Belial6 on April 23, 2008, 08:51:37 PM
I'm hoping they do some major upgrading to the KX Light.  It was a great idea that just was not properly implemented.

What I would like to see is for it to be hard drive installable, and for it to support having all of the configuration stuff controllable via a web browser.  It should also support using removable media like an SD card as the configuration/save location.

The removable media system would allow us keep the Amiga feel by having the System boot directly to our own customized desktop, as well as give us the ability to boot directly into any games that we want to by just putting the custom configuration on it's own USB stick.  This allow us to share our Amiga with family and friends without it looking like some kind of kludge.  It would behave just like a console.  Plug in your 'cartidge' and turn on the system.

The hard drive installation would improve boot speeds dramatically.  Especially if they could make hibernate work.

The web access to the configuration would be the coolest part though.  By putting a mini-web server that loads by default, we would have a standard interface for remote controlling the Amiga without breaking the illusion.  This means that when a new disk needs to be inserted, we could do it from another PC, a PDA, or even our phones.  Heck, it wouldn't be too huge of a home brew project to make a small "disk drive" that was just an http client that would display the current disk and a menu.  Heck, we could even have a real floppy disk drive shell that would send an HTTP command of eject to the emulator when you pushed the eject button, and had small switch inside that would issue an insert disk command when the disk was reinserted.  This would give the tactile experience of using a floppy while leaving the actual ADF safely on modern media.  Really the options would be endless, and I think the community would really run with it.

As I type this, and think about how all of the technical issues could be hidden from users, it strikes me that the final piece to hide the emulation from a user would be if there was some way to watch memory/video chip/whatever to check for insert disk messages on the screen.  Obviously this would need to be identified on a game by game basis, but I would think that if nothing else, the emulator should be able to scan an area of the screen to match a bitmap to one stored as a reference, and when the screen bitmaps match, an eject of one disk, and insert of another is automatically done.

I don't expect any of this to happen, but a guy can dream.
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: kreciu on April 25, 2008, 04:01:59 PM

Belial6

Yes, you are dreaming, but you have the reason for that... they sell Amiga Forever... forever and you as a costumer could expect SOME improvement of the product (especially when you pay $30-50))...
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: mauidj on May 03, 2008, 05:54:49 PM
I originally purchased Amiga Forever in 2004.
They offer no instructions or any means for a non programmer to get the software working on an Apple computer.
After weeks of trying to just get to the point of seeing something on my Mac screen I contacted Cloanto.
And contacted Cloanto...and contacted Cloanto.
Not one stinking reply.
Fast forward 2007.
I decided to try again with Amiga Forever 2006.
Once again, not one word of instructions that made any sense to this long time Amiga and Apple user.
After weeks of trying to get anything on my Mac screen I screwed up and erased the program. So I tried to download it again. But it had a 1 month time limit on it!  One lousy month and you lose what you paid for.
So I contacted Cloanto.
And contacted Cloanto...and contacted Cloanto.
Nada!
So I get a program with one month time limit on it and no instructions on how to use it.
Sorry to upset some of you, but this company sucks!
The end.  :madashell:
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: AmiKit on May 03, 2008, 06:19:48 PM
Does this help?
http://www.amigaforever.com/mac/
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: mauidj on May 03, 2008, 06:30:28 PM
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AmiKit wrote:
Does this help?
http://www.amigaforever.com/mac/


Unfortunately to this dim bulb it does not, but thanks for the word.
Also it will not get back my one month old copy of AF 2006.  :pissed:
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: Nlandas on May 03, 2008, 07:00:59 PM
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mauidj wrote:
Unfortunately to this dim bulb it does not, but thanks for the word.
Also it will not get back my one month old copy of AF 2006.  :pissed:


Not to be too rude but when you buy an online product and download it. You need to make a backup copy of it. Burn it to CD at a minimum. You can't expect any company to let you download their product forever.

Besides, Since you have a reciept, I bet you could find a copy online anyway. You own it already after all.

As for the support they offer, they should contact you back for support questions. If they don't then I completely understand the anger.

-Nyle :-)
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: mauidj on May 03, 2008, 07:29:10 PM
Hey no argument there.
I screwed up.
But come on....after just one month I can't get another copy of the software even with my reciept?
It's not like it costs them huge dollars to keep it on the server.
And not one reply to my questions over a 3 year period is completely bogus.

Judging from the response I got from another thread dealing with this subject I guess I'm just not up to the task of making this simple thing happen.
Oh well.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Cloanto
Post by: bloodline on May 03, 2008, 08:11:55 PM
Quote

mauidj wrote:
Hey no argument there.
I screwed up.
But come on....after just one month I can't get another copy of the software even with my reciept?
It's not like it costs them huge dollars to keep it on the server.
And not one reply to my questions over a 3 year period is completely bogus.

Judging from the response I got from another thread dealing with this subject I guess I'm just not up to the task of making this simple thing happen.
Oh well.  :crazy:


Well, I just don't get your problem... E-UAE isn't exactly hard to use... And if you use Hi-Toro then all the config setup is easy...

Down load these two programs and use the ROMs you got with your AF package... or ask Mr Google, very nicely, to have a look for some ROMs for you.

I suspect if you find this a challenge then the part when you need to use ADF disk images is going to totally confuse you :-(