Amiga 4000 with 030 for 3d games

[lassie]

hey you are right the Amiga is not a 3d machine. So mayby i will let it stay with 030 cpu and 18 mb ram. i know that all the cd32 games and amiga 500 games work flawless on it. :-)

[lassie]

Thanks for all your input :-) i dont know much about Amiga even though i have a few :-)
So its nice to get some answers from you guys :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

hey you are right the Amiga is not a 3d machine. So mayby i will let it stay with 030 cpu and 18 mb ram. i know that all the cd32 games and amiga 500 games work flawless on it. :-)

On youtube you can find some vids on how smooth/jerky different doom engines run on Amiga 1200's with '030 accellerators.

[som99]

The pc was neither. My 486sx 33mhz. with 8mb. ram could barely run Doom. Doom crawled as well on a 486dx 66mhz with 4mb of a friend of mine.

Ive run Doom without any issues on a 33MHz 386 and 8MB ram. Ive had friends back in the day that ran it on even lower at decent rates.
I don't know what you did wrong, but im 100% sure it ran fine on my machine since I played it alot.

[lassie]

thanks i will have a look on you tube later :-)

[runequester]

This sort of conversation becomes pretty vague, because "runs fine" obviously means different things to different people.

[yssing]

I finished Doom I & II on an A1200 Blizzard1230/50 w. 32 fast, I got 12 to 15 fps, which made it quite playable, I used Doom Attack.

You can play Breathless and Nemac IV on the same setup, but if you want full screen you really need a 060. And if you play Quake, then you need a 060 to play it.

The blitter was good at handling vectors and filling them, that is why so many flight sims ran good on a stock a500.

By the way, Cro-Team who made Epic for the amiga went on to create Serious Sam on the PC IMHO on of the funniest shooters ever made. I wish we had that game for the amiga.

[Cammy]

I finished DOOM on my A1200 with a 28Mhz 030, it ran acceptible enough for me to play through until the end, in low-detail. Sometimes I had to reduce the window size, but it's still playable. DOOM also runs on a 14Mhz 020, as does Breathless and a bunch of other 3D games, so at least get the A4000 and try them on it as it is before rushing out and purchasing an accelerator. If you get the 128MB RAM card (and maybe remove the 16MB onboard RAM) it should speed up the system a bit without needing a new CPU since the RAM is much faster.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

This sort of conversation becomes pretty vague, because "runs fine" obviously means different things to different people.

Yea, I always played it full-screen but perhaps others think the "poststamp"-sized screen acceptable enough, and then I can imagine it'll run ok on a 386.

[lassie]

Low end 040 is twice as fast than 030 50mhz. So 040 is allways faster than 030.

Cytadela is only 3d game with texture mapping that plays acceptable speed with 030 25mhz.

http://hol.abime.net/3027

Doom is almost playable with 030 50mhz, but quit playable with 040 25mhz. All Amiga only 3D games are playable with 040 cpu.

Hi i have just tried Cytadela on my Amiga 4000, quite a cool game, never tried it before

[lassie]

I finished DOOM on my A1200 with a 28Mhz 030, it ran acceptible enough for me to play through until the end, in low-detail. Sometimes I had to reduce the window size, but it's still playable. DOOM also runs on a 14Mhz 020, as does Breathless and a bunch of other 3D games, so at least get the A4000 and try them on it as it is before rushing out and purchasing an accelerator. If you get the 128MB RAM card (and maybe remove the 16MB onboard RAM) it should speed up the system a bit without needing a new CPU since the RAM is much faster.

Thanks for your answer i have been thinking to buy 128 mb ram for it. They are quite cheap nowadays

[runequester]

The comment on DoomAttack is worth bearing in mind. I find DoomAttack to run a tiny bit more smooth than ADoom (also, I think ADoom lacks the music, though midi music doesn't sound very "amiga" )

[lassie]

The comment on DoomAttack is worth bearing in mind. I find DoomAttack to run a tiny bit more smooth than ADoom (also, I think ADoom lacks the music, though midi music doesn't sound very "amiga" )

Yes you are right there no music in ADoom, I have just played it on my Amiga 4000/30 but its quite slow, even if i play in small window in low res, I need more ram or bigger cpu

[commodorejohn]

With regards to PC comparisons, I'll offer that I can run DOOM fine (and DOOM II playably) on a 50MHz 386DX, but a large part of that is the 256KB onboard cache, high clock speed, and the fact that I have a pretty zippy video card (by ISA standards, anyway.) Even that doesn't cut it for true 3D - Descent is a slideshow even with low quality settings. I'm not 100% sure how video bandwidth compares to an A4000. Certainly the CPU side of things depends largely on what, if any, accelerator you're using - the 4000's stock 68030 only runs at 25MHz, any 030 only has a very small cache and there's no extra cache on the motherboard, and IIRC the onboard fast RAM isn't that fast. Even a decent 68030 accelerator can improve on clock and RAM speed at least (don't know if there's any 3000/4000 accelerators with L2 cache.)

[NovaCoder]

CPU comparisons, all captured on my real A1200

BOOM 030

BOOM 040

BOOM 060


Bonus:

Quake 060

[runequester]

With regards to PC comparisons, I'll offer that I can run DOOM fine (and DOOM II playably) on a 50MHz 386DX, but a large part of that is the 256KB onboard cache, high clock speed, and the fact that I have a pretty zippy video card (by ISA standards, anyway.) Even that doesn't cut it for true 3D - Descent is a slideshow even with low quality settings. I'm not 100% sure how video bandwidth compares to an A4000. Certainly the CPU side of things depends largely on what, if any, accelerator you're using - the 4000's stock 68030 only runs at 25MHz, any 030 only has a very small cache and there's no extra cache on the motherboard, and IIRC the onboard fast RAM isn't that fast. Even a decent 68030 accelerator can improve on clock and RAM speed at least (don't know if there's any 3000/4000 accelerators with L2 cache.)

Yeah, the speed of RAM can make a huge difference. On my ACA 1230, even Alien Breed 3D2 is playable, if not that fluid.