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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: poweramiga2002 on March 27, 2003, 01:04:15 AM
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well here we are at the end of yet another month. No os4 no A1 on my desk, im not upset or angry all i would like to know is some type of semi official date to look foward too, not knowing is worse than having a date even if the date is out by a few weeks, so at least bolster us up a little and give us some positive news ppl
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I agree with you, most definitely, but, maybe post under hardware???
AmigaOne! I put $50 on .....
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It will surely arrive sooner or later. It's always hard to wait, but as OS4 is not out yet, slight changes in AmigaONE delivery deadlines is not a big deal methinks.
Use tactics like KDH, add two weeks to each date when it arrives, or don't believe the overly optimistic user opinion based deadlines, and be a little more sceptic towards the less overly, yet optimistic official deadlines.
There's little chance to the OS4 or AmigaONE project to be cancelled, so there is nothing to worry.
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poweramiga2002 wrote:
not knowing is worse than having a date even if the date is out by a few weeks, so at least bolster us up a little and give us some positive news ppl
Eyetech simply has no way of knowing any better than anybody else when the Teron PX will be finished (in a state suitable for shipping to end-customers - fully tested, with finished firmware, FCC-approved... Oh yeah, AInc's rigorous QA testing too... Heh), and Hyperion luckily don't want to promise anything beyond "when it's ready" regarding AmigaOS4.
So I have to say that your comment looks an awful lot like "please tell us some more nonsense dates made up on the spot AGAIN, because we're happier to be told lies as usual than you simply saying 'we don't know'".
I don't remember if it was on Moo Bunny or ANN or here that I saw a good post on "spoiling" as a marketing method:
"Product X will be ready on YYYY-MM, honest."
"Wait, it'll be ready on YYYY-MM +x, no need to look at the competition... On schedule and rocking!"
"Just hold on, it'll be ready on YYYY-MM +x+y, and we have decided to add this great feature. It's a bonus, folks!"
"Don't go anywhere! It'll be out on YYYY-MM +x+y+z, cross my heart! And just look at these new features we have written on this list!"
Et cetera.
Personally I prefer the Hyperion way ("when it's ready") over what I think it looks like you're suggesting. I'm sure that no efforts will be spared to announce a slightly more accurate release date prediction once it's actually possible to do such a thing. As far as we have been told they're still "beta testing" separate components and still adding and developing new ones.
OTOH, I hope that Hyperion themselves, internally, at least have set goals and are at least closing in on or at long last have completed a feature freeze, even if they don't dare to disclose those goals to the public (for fear of breaking them, like with most software products, and the inevitable scorn for doing so).
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I feel that it's better to release a working OS instead of releasing an almost-working OS and then add a handful of Service Packs over the next few years just to discontinue that very OS just when it's stable and secure (like Microsoft do - WinNT SP6 came out in 1999 and shortly thereafter they dropped all NT support and moved on to Win2K).
But the situation with AmigaOS4 is beginning to get silly. It's taking too long!
Quting the original AOne press release from amiga.com; "All this work - including extensive testing of hardware and software components - is scheduled to be complete in time for end user deliveries 3Q01."
This was released in October 2000. Perhaps a bit too optimistic back then - at least I remember thinking that. But two years over time? Three years of waiting? Ah, man...
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Makes you wonder...
WHAT information did they base their release date statement on?! It's true that the information technology industry hasn't done too well the past years, but this delay is incomprehensable.
or...anyone else got more info on the reasons for the delay?
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carls wrote:
But the situation with AmigaOS4 is beginning to get silly. It's taking too long!
Quting the original AOne press release from amiga.com; "All this work - including extensive testing of hardware and software components - is scheduled to be complete in time for end user deliveries 3Q01."
This was released in October 2000. Perhaps a bit too optimistic back then - at least I remember thinking that. But two years over time? Three years of waiting? Ah, man...
Yeah...
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Just have cancelled order. Will buy something when os4 will be there.... (and i believe that we will wait again).
Phil
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I have heard commentary from some quarters about asking for 'unrealistic dates'.
I disagree with that, Eyetech has set some very realistic dates, at various times, they just failed to achieve those dates.
I also don't think anyone asked Eyetech to give false promises...I don't recall a single person ever asking for that. So I'm not sure why these comments keep coming up.
It almost seems like a desparate attempt to blame everyone in the world, but the person who gave the false expectations, Alan Redhouse.
But I will agree with those thoughts, to a certain extent, in that....at this point it really doesn't do a lot of good to ask for more dates. It's all words now....they need to release a product not more promises. It would mean nothing to me, to get another promise.
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"The Long Wait"
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IMHO they needed to release a product at least half a year ago, before christmas 2002.
I have not commented very much on the whole delay situation or the A1/OS4/Pegasos/MorphOS thing at all, and I feel I have been very understanding but now I can't hold it in any longer, so here goes:
I was more or less ready to by an A1 then (X-Mas 2002), given that OS4 was ready and a review was available. I think many would say the same. Instead I went for a PC, so my waiting and frustration should be over.
But it's not. I'm getting more and more bitter over the whole situation. It is high time for A Inc. to put the money where their mouth has been for the last few years!
$50 coupons, screenshots, marketing events at different Amiga shows etc... When will it all result in something? The A1 board is already outdated and overprized, as is the Pegasos (although a bit cheaper than the A1).
I can understand the people who are willing to put money in this and who are willing to wait and wait and wait. But if any other company would have pulled this kind of stunt they would've been out of business by now!
I feel that A Inc. trusts the Amiga Community's patience and devotion just a little too much.
I'll never let go of my precious classic Amigas, but I'm getting less and less interested in the A1 and OS4 each day :-(
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@Seehund
Damn you Seehund!! How dare you show your face here after beeing labeled the #2 troll on one of the other Amiga sites and you were BANNED there!!
Oh wait, I was leabeled the #1 troll, and Wayne the #3 troll. Oh yeah, Bill Hogget was in the mix somewehere probably #4. At least you are in good company;-)
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@red
Know what is really odd ?
I didn't make it to that list !!!
(and yes I tried)
:-o :-o :-P
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@ Carl
Imagine if all this effort for OS4 was used on AROS developement instead. :(
Dammy
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You might aswell wait if you really want the goods.
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@Kronos
Maybe you tried too hard.
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
You might aswell wait if you really want the goods.
So far I'm still in this category. We'll see if I can last it out. :-?
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It's sad to see that some of you now want to cancel order. I have been thinking very much about the same thing, too. The Amiga companies are really doing their best, but i agree that it has taken too much times. The new Amiga system is a complex beast and it needs to become as perfect as possible, especially when considering that this is the first production run...
As for who actually made the Teron CX/PX PPC-motherboards. That was actually Mai Logic, who developed the boards in order to test their PPC-controllers like Articia and Magicia-family. I can safely tell you that they will soon make a new revision of the Teron CX/PX with Articia P, and hand this new revision architecture to Eyetech so that the Amiga community can make sure that the new version will work also. We'll have to take one day at the time...
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Will you people quit it with this useless whining!!! :evil:
Amiga OS 4 will come when it's ready and the AmigaOne will be shipped when Eyetech will receive it.
What! Your old Amiga not good enough anymore?
PC? What! You still don't have an over 1GHz, GeForce 4 system. That's your own fault really isn't it.
I for one don't care if it arrives next week or in august! Programming takes a long time so just wait.
And if you still don't have a modern PC than thats your own stupidity.
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@PulsatingQuasar
Hear-hear!
I learn't along time ago that whining gets you nowhere, and also gets on other peoples nerves (normally from a back hand off my father!)
I have my A1200 with BlizzPPC and my 1.4GHz Athlon that do me fine. I am quite happy to wait for OS4 to turn up when it does. Though I do think that it will need to be out in the first half of this year to minamise damage.
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And if you still don't have a modern PC than thats your own stupidity.
I have £1000 sitting in the bank, waiting for my 10 year dream of a new amiga.
Do you suggest I spend it on a modern PC and leave the scene?
Or, should I continue to wait and hope *and* occassionally (and I'm sure most that know me would agree that it *is* only occassionally) have a bit of a whinge about the delays?
Also, do you really think I'm stupid because I don't (and probably never will) own a modern PC? (Although I may buy a mac)
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Please calm down, people. We own the companies to wait. We should be proud...
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Helgis75 wrote:
Please calm down, people. We own the companies to wait. We should be proud...
So far, I have to disagree. I still have faith in Eyetech and Hyperion but we have nothing to be proud of.
Yet. ;-)
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I think the wisest thing to do is to go to the Church every Sunday and start praying.. :-)
Lets pray...
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@redrumloa
They've got a ranking system? Cool! Are you sure you're not confusing this with the recent "top 10 reasons to why we like Amiga Inc" thread? :D
Anyway, congratulations to the first place! Here, have a prize:
(http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/independentjournalism.png) (http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/bummer.html)
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Helgis75 wrote:
... hand this new revision architecture to Eyetech so that the Amiga community can make sure that the new version will work also.
Heh... Hee hee... *spasms* MmmmmmmMOUAHAAAAHAHHAA! *dyspnea* Can't... breathe... Must... wipe... coffee... from... screen...
LTHTEBATROTF (laughing too hard to even be able to roll on the floor)
:D
Thanks, Helgis!
[edit: they better send a sample board to Al Gore too, to let him make sure that it works with that there Internet I've heard so much about...]
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Is that Butterfly thing available on Mac? I'm thinking of deffecting. :-P
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Wilse wrote:
I have £1000 sitting in the bank, waiting for my 10 year dream of a new amiga.
ditto
Do you suggest I spend it on a modern PC and leave the scene?
Naaa spend a few £'s on the girlfriends PeeCee.
Or, should I continue to wait and hope *and* occassionally (and I'm sure most that know me would agree that it *is* only occassionally) have a bit of a whinge about the delays?
Have the odd whinge like a most of us do who are waiting....
I was gonna cancel my A1 order saturday morning as that was the limit of my waiting. The girlfriend for months was the one saying "New Amiga... Flying Pig". However, saturday morning came and she who does not beleive in the Amiga Fairy talked me out of it.
So I cancelled the RAM @ eyetech prices that was nearly £200 for 1GIG.
So for the £200 the PC got a 40GiG HD, 512Meg DDR, ATI 9100 128MB, New Case (Transparent side) + Round ATA100 Cables.
I got the 2 sticks of PC133 and the 30Gig HD out the PC to use in my A1.
Also, do you really think I'm stupid because I don't (and probably never will) own a modern PC? (Although I may buy a mac)
Moderns PC's (Win2K) arn't that bad. Admittidly I use the girlies PC more than I should as for the MAC option, have you seen the prices of them. Admittidly i've only looked at them in PCWorld but £1800 for a G4 800Mhz Lamp Stand is a bit much.
Plus if the worst comes to the worst and OS4 never turns up you can use MOL on your A1 so you can still have a MAC.
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redrumloa wrote:
@Seehund
Damn you Seehund!! How dare you show your face here after beeing labeled the #2 troll on one of the other Amiga sites and you were BANNED there!!
Oh wait, I was leabeled the #1 troll, and Wayne the #3 troll. Oh yeah, Bill Hogget was in the mix somewehere probably #4. At least you are in good company;-)
I hope you weren't serious about that list thing. You are joking, right?
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poweramiga2002 wrote:
well here we are at the end of yet another month. No os4 no A1 on my desk, im not upset or angry all i would like to know is some type of semi official date to look foward too, not knowing is worse than having a date even if the date is out by a few weeks, so at least bolster us up a little and give us some positive news ppl
Just give them another two weeks! ;-)
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I had a dream last night about buying an A4000.
:madashell:
Such a beautiful dream. Sorry it wasn't an A1 but I want a real Amiga if I'm gonna have one at all.
Always wondered what it would be like to own a PPC Amiga.*Drool*
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@Seehund:
You really have NO idea, do you?
Forget Terrasoft. Eyetech is THE reseller of MAI technology.
GGS-Data is bigger on MAI hardware than Terrasoft.
MAI are designing the next generation AmigaOne hardware from Eyetechs wishes, and you can bet your "luffar" it'll end with someone from amigaone-linux.sourceforge.net getting the kernel to compile (of course, that includes the Friedens and Bill Mueller, so maybe not much of a shock :-) )
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olegil wrote:
Forget Terrasoft. Eyetech is THE reseller of MAI technology.
Eyetech is *A* reseller.
They're quite possibly the BIGGEST current reseller, however only in terms of committment to order numbers for future deliveries. You brought up Terrasoft for example, who hasn't committed themselves in any way, since the product (Teron PX) simply is not yet finished for end-consumer sales. A sensible attitude. Then again, TSS is in a different position and don't have to risk anything if they don't want to; should they not be happy with the product for whatever reason ("delays" come to mind), they can simply say "big deal, let's wait and/or look for alternatives and keep selling Macs as usual then". In contrast, there's no backup plan for the... ahem... "new Amiga", there would be a whole lot of outraged pre-order customers, and AmigaOS would be fscked and left stranded without hardware.
GGS-Data is bigger on MAI hardware than Terrasoft.
Since TSS have sold exactly 0 boards (see above...), that would hardly be surprising.
MAI are designing the next generation AmigaOne hardware from Eyetechs wishes,
Now, now. I think you've been listening to Alan Redhouse, you're beginning to sound like Helgis75. ;)
Things are bad enough when AmigaOS users "only" have to pretend that there's a need to only be allowed to buy our hardware from an "Amiga dealer". If they went ahead and actually ordered an exclusive bloody custom job, then the expensive stench of the 1980's would really become too strong for me to stay.
and you can bet your "luffar"
Heh. No I won't. I don't dare to. Not until you've told me what a luffar is? :)
But yeah, I think Linux will be running on future Articia based POP derivates too. Oooh! Aaaah! Shock & amazement :-O
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Look at the Alan topic, which has most visitors and answers, then you will know... :-)
Happy reading. :-)
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@Seehund:
I accidentally thought "luffar" meant the same as "luffer" means in Norwegian and Danish.
If you do a quick search for säl and luffer on google you should get the picture. You little "Knubbsäl" you ;-)
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Knubbsäl:
(http://tq.hkr.se/~roligatimman/thinkquest/textsidor/litensal.jpg)
Luffare:
(http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/images/Advertising%20Page/dakin-hobo.JPG)
:-D
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Ok, men va fan kallar ni dom där grejerna som sälen padlar i vattnet med?
Norsk: Luffer
Dansk: Luffer
Svensk: ?
Händer? Föter? Kalle Anka? Arne Anka? Absinth? Nei, inte absinth. Men va dååå??? :-)
Ursäkta at jag har några skrivfel här och där. Min svenska är lite otränad på sistonde... Talar bara svenska om jag har druckit :-)
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@olegil
Bra fråga. Förmodligen skulle jag säga "fenor", men det känns inte helt rätt.
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Paddlar dom? ;-)
Hmm, labbar?
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Its most definitely something that should come out in a few months I hope. This will be Amiga's first release, atleast the first release the majority of the world will know about. It needs to be as close to perfect as possible. I should think it'll do as well as OS/2, and hopefully as well as Mac, lets not even think about Windows yet. don't forget OS/2 was outselling windows 3.1, it was best seller until Win95 came out. Alhotugh slightly happying, I mention AMiga in front of one of my frineds( not really one too much into computers) he says: You mean those really old computers that can do all that really kicka** stuff? To which the response was 'yup'. Ends up he owns two :-D .