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-A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« on: May 06, 2010, 11:41:16 PM »
Hello,

Some time ago I had some problems trying to install a CDROM drive in any A4000, at the time had come to the conclusion that the unit has to be 16X CDROM or less, but recently I heard that one A4000 Desktop can handle any type of CDROM drive that the problem occurs with any unit that is greater than 16X the problem which does not recognize the CDROM drive 16X greater than occurs when the HD is very old and those wearing the A4000 when they came out in the 90s.

Somebody know about this?, and can confirm this things?

Regards!
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Offline Matt_H

Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 01:58:10 AM »
Sounds like nonsense.

There are 2 issues with CD drives on 4000 desktops. The first is that it must be a very "shallow" drive. If it's too long, it'll hang out the front of the case.

The second issue is that the driver for the IDE controller (scsi.device) in the 3.0 and 3.1 ROMs can't recognize ATAPI devices like CD drives. You'll need a third-party replacement driver. This can be atapi.device from the IDEFix package or asim_atapi.device from the AsimCDFS package. There might be others as well.

If you don't already have one, you'll need a CD filesystem - AsimCDFS,  CacheCDFS, and AmiCDFS are the common ones.
 

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Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2010, 02:14:39 AM »
You know, some people said the same A4000 recognize if some CDROM unitwas installed from A4000 Startup menu, without any driver, and allegedly the problem is becouse the CDROM drive its not supported by the Amiga.
I haved IDEFix package or asim_atapi.device from the AsimCDFS package but not work--
Amiga 1000, 500, 600, 2000, 1200, 4000...

C= VIC 20 / 64 /SX64/ 128

Atari 600XL (SIC Cartdridge)
Atari 800XL (SIO2SD unit)

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Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2010, 02:40:06 AM »
Quote from: Drummerboy;556979
You know, some people said the same A4000 recognize if some CDROM unitwas installed from A4000 Startup menu, without any driver, and allegedly the problem is becouse the CDROM drive its not supported by the Amiga.


Sorry but i'm afraid that's bollocks.

Offline TjLaZer

Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 03:00:01 AM »
Quote from: Drummerboy;556963
Hello,

Some time ago I had some problems trying to install a CDROM drive in any A4000, at the time had come to the conclusion that the unit has to be 16X CDROM or less, but recently I heard that one A4000 Desktop can handle any type of CDROM drive that the problem occurs with any unit that is greater than 16X the problem which does not recognize the CDROM drive 16X greater than occurs when the HD is very old and those wearing the A4000 when they came out in the 90s.

Somebody know about this?, and can confirm this things?

Regards!


I've used a 40X drive in my 4000 and it worked perfectly.  Even DVD-ROM drives...  You need a driver for it, you can't use the one on OS 3.0/3.1.  OS 3.5/3/9 has it built in.
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Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 04:02:52 AM »
Quote from: Tension;556980
Sorry but i'm afraid that's bollocks.


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Offline Matt_H

Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2010, 04:34:44 AM »
Quote from: Drummerboy;556979
You know, some people said the same A4000 recognize if some CDROM unitwas installed from A4000 Startup menu, without any driver, and allegedly the problem is becouse the CDROM drive its not supported by the Amiga.
I haved IDEFix package or asim_atapi.device from the AsimCDFS package but not work--


AsimCDFS can supposedly make itself reset resident, which would allow a CD drive to be selected from Early Startup, but I've never gotten it to work.

Jumper your hard drive to master and the CD drive to slave. Run the AsimCDFS installer again (3.10 is the last version).
 

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Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2010, 04:58:12 AM »
I had problems with some drives (Creative and no name) -32x or faster. Some didn't run at all, some didn't want to mount at boot time - they tended to freeze the IDE bus. But most drives do work.
 

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Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2010, 01:22:06 AM »
Ok, i tried that, but i will change the HD becouse are failing and try again--
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Re: -A4000D CDROM Drive Recognizing problem
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2010, 01:23:47 AM »
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I had problems with some drives (Creative and no name) -32x or faster. Some didn't run at all, some didn't want to mount at boot time - they tended to freeze the IDE bus. But most drives do work.


Yeah, thats happened to me with another A4000 when i was trying to mount a CDROM drive.
Amiga 1000, 500, 600, 2000, 1200, 4000...

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