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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: SysAdmin on March 18, 2010, 01:47:04 AM
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amigaworld.net has been kind enough to host a two part FAQ about A-EON Technology and their upcoming X1000 Amiga.
FAQ Part I & II via the link below.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30985&forum=42
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Wow learnt a lot there
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Wow learnt a lot there
Pretty sad they went to the trouble to tell us basically nothing new.
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Yawn, still vapour then!
Gaz
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Other than the weird bus that nobody is going to use this will just be another absurdly expensive vanilla PPC motherboard.
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Other than the weird bus that nobody is going to use this will just be another absurdly expensive vanilla PPC motherboard.
You mean it won't be used as a Uber controller for home made sex bots? ;-)
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You mean it won't be used as a Uber controller for home made sex bots? ;-)
I'm sure someone will put an old mop head on top of their machine, maybe put some lipstick around the cdrom drive, or at least thats the impression I get from reading some of the outlandish comments non hardware engineers and non programmers are making about the possibilities of "xorro" and "xena".
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Wow we got a bunch of haters up in here... Pretty funny comments though...
Amiga Sexbots! now thats a winner!
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Wow we got a bunch of haters up in here... Pretty funny comments though...
Hate, no. Cold harsh reality sprinkled with sarcasm, yes.
Amiga Sexbots! now thats a winner!
You heard it here first!
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especially if you had two of them and dressed them in spanish outfits
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this is the closest I could get to a spanish lesbian outfit for the A1X1k:
(http://i.imgur.com/Kvvlx.jpg)
I gave it a fruit hat and a piñata friend.
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Spain is in europe and pinatas are in mexico, thousand km away and totally different, then this thread is usefull now =)
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Spain is in europe and pinatas are in mexico, thousand km away and totally different, then this thread is usefull now =)
WTF? No pinatas in Spain? That's just plain crazy talk. So the Incan's, Mayan's and Aztec's have the market cornered on the things? I could have sworn I took a whack at a couple at friends' birthday parties growing up... lmao
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maya, inca, aztecs on spain? are you serious?
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maya, inca, aztecs on spain? are you serious?
Sorry - assumed we could extrapolate the Mexican pinata connexion here.... lol
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Haters gotta hate! Pass me some Haterade!!!
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Haters gotta hate! Pass me some Haterade!!!
Better than Kool-Aid.
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Pretty sad they went to the trouble to tell us basically nothing new.
thats the way it is in our world.
LOL@ thread.. funny stuff guys!
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What I really want to know... what most everyone really wants to know is when will they be released the real and final specs for this machine, pictures and prices, as well as a release date?
Is this coming in 2010 or 5 years from now after alot of excuses, redesigns, and that sort of thing. I hope the best for this, I really do but the news so far is not encouraging.
Since they are selling the whole computer apparently and not just a motherboard, I'd like to see the case designs and that sort of stuff.
And I'd really love to know how much it will cost.
Steven
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Yawn, still vapour then!
Gaz
That's just plain rude! Have hyperion ever failed us? I think not..... and anyway, it ain't vapour until it's at least 6 months overdue.
..and to the rest of you haters: Why so much bitching over the X chip? It's not exactly a deal breaker as it costs peanuts and this is still the most powerful AmigaOS board yet. Geeesh...get some sense of priority folks.
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Better than Kool-Aid.
Grape flavored?
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That's just plain rude! Have hyperion ever failed us? I think not..... and anyway, it ain't vapour until it's at least 6 months overdue.
Maybe it is rude but in my book until it exists its vapour. Sorry I wasn't aware of the official OS4 community vapour rules :D
No hyper-ron have never failed us, well with the exception of the USB2 support on the Sam, taking far too many years to develop OS4 so it'll now never catch up with modern OS's, and then announcing a "high-end" system that will probably get out paced by an Intel atom (until we know the CPU its difficult to guess how much by). No they never failed us at all :(
Gaz
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So the Incan's, Mayan's and Aztec's have the market cornered on the things?
That's right.... now somebody here will have to pay some royalties.... :roflmao:
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The specifications about this machines are still no clearer. Most of all it sounds like they want to say that it's just another overpriced PPC motherboard.
Some of the answers in that FAQ seem to want to downplay the XMOS chip which I think is a bad sign and there is still no word on how the chip is to be interfaced other than it's "on the bus" (DMA? Interrupts?). Also, I don't expect the celebrated XMOS Design Tools will be availbale for AmigaOS. If they were, I'm sure it would have been mentioned already.
Admittedly I'm still wrestling with understanding just how the XMOS chip works and what it might do. The documentation isn't terribly well-written. For instance the Assembly Language Manual lists the mnemonics for all the assembly language instructions and their operands but doesn't bother mentioning what the instructions actually do.
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Have hyperion ever failed us?
Gorgy 17 and Directory Opus Magellan come to mind, in addition to things already mentioned.
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Gorgy 17 and Directory Opus Magellan come to mind, in addition to things already mentioned.
Somehow I don't think that was the answer he was expecting. :rofl:
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Wow we got a bunch of haters up in here...
I second than emotion. Reminds me of those die hard alfa romeo owners who despise everything that modern alfa romeo does and only care about their old classic. Much like Amiga fans, they should consider themselves lucky that somebody is even interested in their niche market, in this age of globalization and all.
Regarding the X1000, now that the Hyperion vs A-Inc troubles are over (or at least, settled), I really hope the X1000 will form a niche in the HTPC area.
All we need is a TV card (btw, are there any tv cards and capture software for the amigaos?) and a DVD player (btw, any good media players for amigaos?), a port of Media Portal to amigaos, and we are set.
No need for expensive "instant on" partitions and other messy solutions, as Amiga is snappy enough in booting. Also, no need to used the flawed WDM API of windows 7.
As I said, all we need is a media player and a TV card, and we are set.
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are there any tv cards and capture software for the amigaos?
No, not DVB anyhow.
This media center idea just doesn't fly, I'm afraid.
No need for expensive "instant on"
Yeah, cool... what was the price tag of the X1000 again?
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How about USB tuner and capture cards ala Deneb or Subway, not yet?
For capture software, sure... hit pause on your VCR, DVR or DVD player, plug in your parallel port digitizer and boot up DCTV or one of the NewTek utilities :)
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How about USB tuner and capture cards ala Deneb or Subway, not yet?
You still need to write the driver. It doesn't really matter if it's PCI, PCI-E or USB.
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Haters? Ah, this way (http://www.amigaworld.net) please. Don't forget your diapers.
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I second than emotion. Reminds me of those die hard alfa romeo owners who despise everything that modern alfa romeo does and only care about their old classic. Much like Amiga fans, they should consider themselves lucky that somebody is even interested in their niche market, in this age of globalization and all.
Why should anybody feel lucky? The prices are high and the quality is low. Your car analogy doesn't hold up. The new car is one with ripped interior and missing functionality.
Regarding the X1000, now that the Hyperion vs A-Inc troubles are over (or at least, settled)
Who cares? The whole mess could have been avoided if Hyperion had just delivered on time.
, I really hope the X1000 will form a niche in the HTPC area.
Not a chance in hell
All we need is a TV card (btw, are there any tv cards and capture software for the amigaos?) and a DVD player (btw, any good media players for amigaos?), a port of Media Portal to amigaos, and we are set.
No need for expensive "instant on" partitions and other messy solutions, as Amiga is snappy enough in booting. Also, no need to used the flawed WDM API of windows 7.
As I said, all we need is a media player and a TV card, and we are set.
We keep hearing about lame ideas for AOS4 like set top boxes and kiosks because there isn't really any use for this machine.
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You still need to write the driver. It doesn't really matter if it's PCI, PCI-E or USB.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of retarded marketing that may put Amiga's future into jeopardy again.
A marketing plan that would work: AmigaOS is already limited to specific hardware, so there is no need for broad peripheral support, so all we need is one card. So why not just partner with a TV card manufacturer and have them make a card and a driver?
Then, all that is needed is a media player, a media portal clone, and you 've got something good to sell. And better sell those boxes cheap. I am not saying that it's guaranteed to fly, but there is a chance. If AMD managed to save themselves by selling a 64 bit CPU with next to no 64 bit software in the market, then there hope for AmigaOS too.
What is Hyperion's plan? They say they are in for the long run, but seriously, what is their plan? Selling AmigaOS with overpriced PPC motherboards to Amiga enthusiasts? They tried this thing with Eyetech and Pegassos, and both times it didn't work. They need to bring new people in and not just rely on the loyals. Otherwise, they will go bankrupt too, and I doubt anyone will buy AmigaOS this time.
I am so confused by them that I may even forward a link to this thread to them and ask them for a reply. I may even hire a programmer to do the driver and build the machine myself and sell it, but I am not good at selling. Hope some big company will.
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That's just plain rude! Have hyperion ever failed us? I think not.....
The problem is people are confusing Hyperion with A-Eon and I have no idea why. Even if we agree Hyperion never failed us, that is completely irrelevant to the question of do we believe this "company" A-Eon can bring a completely new design of PPC motherboard to market in less than 93 days?
Yeah, 93 days till summer and their website still says it will be available before Summer for less than the A1000 cost http://www.a-eon.com/6.html
"you won't have to wait until summer, and it should be a little cheaper!"
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Never ceases to amaze me that computer geeks are also the most hostile to new machines or technology coming out.
And the guy with the grape kool aid obama picture.. seriously? Did it suddenly become 1950 and we're in 4th grade in here?
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Never ceases to amaze me that computer geeks are also the most hostile to new machines or technology coming out.
Most hostile about getting scammed, after it's happened time and time again. ;-)
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."- GWB
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And the guy with the grape kool aid obama picture.. seriously? Did it suddenly become 1950 and we're in 4th grade in here?
Just as I might assume you must not live in the U.S, you assume I am "prejudice"? Both assumptions would be BS, but a phenomenon I and many others have witnessed lately in this confused country. What's going on over here socially, economically and politically is embarrassing to say the least. Sorry, but when someone mentions Kool-Aid drinking, can't help but think about the last election. What a joke, the entire "campaign" and a clear sign of the ignorant times. I deleted it though because YOU reminded me that this isn't always the place to speak politics. Besides, I'm too disgusted and fed up with the entire situation to argue anymore. Pictograph deleted.
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Never ceases to amaze me that computer geeks are also the most hostile to new machines or technology coming out.
That's probably because they can tell when someone is trying to sell them things using dishonest marketing or tricks.
Not every new tech is manure. For example I applauded the core2 tech when it came out and adopted it instantly. That's because it really was superior technology with great price. It's so good that I actually postponed hopping the Core i# train and got myself Q9550 box instead.
Similarly I knew instantly that debian on a mobile phone would be a perfect fit for me. Thus I bought N900 as soon as it was available.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBXeCUZWhc&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBXeCUZWhc&feature=related
There's another great example. lol There's some pretty good bloopers on him too that people have done on YouBoob... :lol:
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I have an 800mhz Samiga and I really like it, not quite as much as my classic Amigas but I haven't had it all that long so it may grow on me. I for one am a little surprised that there is still activity and new Amiga things being developed but at the same time I am extremely pleased by it all and honestly do not understand the negativity of some people. I mean life is short, you gotta enjoy what you can while you can and stop worrying about the small stuff.
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Not every new tech is manure. For example I applauded the core2 tech when it came out and adopted it instantly. That's because it really was superior technology with great price. It's so good that I actually postponed hopping the Core i# train and got myself Q9550 box instead.
My Q9450 is still going strong :)
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Then, all that is needed is a media player, a media portal clone, and you 've got something good to sell. And better sell those boxes cheap. I am not saying that it's guaranteed to fly, but there is a chance. If AMD managed to save themselves by selling a 64 bit CPU with next to no 64 bit software in the market, then there hope for AmigaOS too.
Why would anyone use "amiga" for a media box? "amiga" doesn't meet any of the typical requirements of a typical media box today. The only thing "amiga" has that makes it worth while is the user experience on a desktop - that's all, really. And with "amiga" I mean, AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS - they all share the very same limitations and lack of features.
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Yeah, 93 days till summer and their website still says it will be available before Summer for less than the A1000 cost http://www.a-eon.com/6.html
"you won't have to wait until summer, and it should be a little cheaper!"
The fact I have to turn my car's semi-working aircondition on clearly indicates there are 0 days left till summer.
What we got from a-eon? 2 photos.
Anyway, it's a sunny (albeit hot) day outside, so let's cut them some slack. They might be running a bit late.
The really funny thing is that they still claim in their site they will have this out before summer... I expected the summer reference to have been gone by now, or (dare I say) even replaced with a final date...
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The fact I have to turn my car's semi-working aircondition on clearly indicates there are officially 0 days left till summer.
What we got from a-eon? 2 photos.
Anyway, it's a shiny (albeit hot) day outside, so let's cut them some slack. They might be running a bit late.
The really funny thing is that they still claim in their site they will have this out before summer... I expected the summer reference to have been gone by now, or (dare I say) even replaced with a final date...
its says "Coming Summer 2010" on the front page, and has for a while
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The fact I have to turn my car's semi-working aircondition on clearly indicates there are 0 days left till summer.
Actually, there are 7 days left till summer. I hate to break it to you, but "Summer" is not based upon whether or not you need to turn your air-conditioning on; it's based upon solstices. Now I'm not saying that I'm expecting the X1000 to be available for SALE before then, but if one's at the 25th Anniversary show next weekend, we'll all get to SEE one before Summer. Also, it will seem at least 100 people will actually receive one this summer and, depending on how the beta testing goes, there may still be a chance it will be available to the general public before summer ends near the end of September.
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Since we are at it, are there any chances this machine will revive the interest for AmigaOS? Now, in order to get an Amiga, you have to buy the board and hook everything together by yourself. This has turned off a lot of people, i think.
I am puzzled by the fact that there are so many great OSes out there like Haiku and AmigaOS for home computer usage, yet most users are stuck with the CP/M Fileloader (Windows) and the AT&T line printer manager (Unix/Linux).
Most of the software people use today is open source stuff (VLC/Mozilla/MediaPortal/TSmuxer) so I am really surprised the authors tolerate with X-windows and Window's uber secret API, yet they won't even bother to port for Haiku and AmigaOS to raise interest. So sad...
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Since we are at it, are there any chances this machine will revive the interest for AmigaOS?
Not for anyone but the ultra-geeks, who'd probably be happy to build up their own system anyway. Most people are happy to pay a couple hundred bucks for a machine and have it work out of the box and have tons of software to use. The cost of this small production run hardware probably seems completely ridiculous to the average computer user.
I am puzzled by the fact that there are so many great OSes out there like Haiku and AmigaOS for home computer usage, yet most users are stuck with the CP/M fileloader (Windows) and the AT&T line printer manager (Unix/Linux)...
Support, support, support, be it hardware, software, technical, or warranty. Try bringing an OS4 system to your local Best Buy/Staples for troubleshooting or repair. Now that's "stuck." It's fun stuff if you know what you're doing, but most people just want something that does what they need it to do and leaves them alone. Computing isn't a novelty anymore, it's a necessity.
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I am puzzled by the fact that there are so many great OSes out there like Haiku and AmigaOS for home computer usage, yet most users are stuck with the CP/M Fileloader (Windows) and the AT&T line printer manager (Unix/Linux).
Ha ha
Most of the software people use today is open source stuff (VLC/Mozilla/MediaPortal/TSmuxer) so I am really surprised the authors tolerate with X-windows and Window's uber secret API, yet they won't even bother to port for Haiku and AmigaOS to raise interest. So sad...
Hahahahaha.:roflmao:
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Since we are at it, are there any chances this machine will revive the interest for AmigaOS? Now, in order to get an Amiga, you have to buy the board and hook everything together by yourself. This has turned off a lot of people, i think.
I am puzzled by the fact that there are so many great OSes out there like Haiku and AmigaOS for home computer usage, yet most users are stuck with the CP/M Fileloader (Windows) and the AT&T line printer manager (Unix/Linux).
Most of the software people use today is open source stuff (VLC/Mozilla/MediaPortal/TSmuxer) so I am really surprised the authors tolerate with X-windows and Window's uber secret API, yet they won't even bother to port for Haiku and AmigaOS to raise interest. So sad...
There's so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.
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Ha ha
Hahahahaha.:roflmao:
Care to explain why? Everyone who tried Haiku loved it, except when it came to playing games...
AmigaOS is tougher to like. Less sophisticated, less cute and I wish I could have a word with the dork who decided to go for the PPC platform instead of the PC (or not port it to the PC latter). Porting to the PC would allow them to sell it as a software package, but nooo, we have to sell it along with overpriced PPC mobos.
However, I think Haiku is ready for the glory. Nothing not to like (if you think there is something, please post).
Support, support, support, be it hardware, software, technical, or warranty. Try bringing an OS4 system to your local Best Buy/Staples for troubleshooting or repair. Now that's "stuck." It's fun stuff if you know what you're doing, but most people just want something that does what they need it to do and leaves them alone. Computing isn't a novelty anymore, it's a necessity.
So true. However, I am a man of hope. If Firefox managed to make a dent to Internet Explorer, in a market were it controlled 90+% of the market and everything was built for it, then why not something couldn't possibly overtake Windows?
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Care to explain why?
Trying to claim that windows still somehow would have something to do with CP/M. Or that Linux or BSD would have something to do with AT&T line printer manager. Totally absurd and ridiculous claims, you can only laugh at those.
Grouping AmigaOS with Haiku is IMO rather stupid as well.
Why would any developer target some very small and obscure system such as Haiku, or even obscurer such as AmigaOS? Just because you think those OSes are better or have better APIs (they don't, at least not AmigaOS)? There are after all such concepts as "market share" and "potential user base"...
If Firefox managed to make a dent to Internet Explorer, in a market were it controlled 90+% of the market and everything was built for it, then why not something couldn't possibly overtake Windows?
Are you for real?
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So true. However, I am a man of hope. If Firefox managed to make a dent to Internet Explorer, in a market were it controlled 90+% of the market and everything was built for it, then why not something couldn't possibly overtake Windows?
Amiga and world domination?
Current technologies (some of them very old indeed) not supported by any Amigoid OS and hardware combination. And please, dont dare mention Gnash ports or WEP wifi, we all know the story...
Dual core
Bluetooth
USB 3 (Some Amigoid OSes dont even support USB 2!)
Wireless
Flash
Blue Ray
Firewire
Java
And I am just warming up :)
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Amiga and world domination?
Current technologies (some of them very old indeed) not supported by any Amigoid OS and hardware combination. And please, dont dare mention Gnash ports or WEP wifi, we all know the story...
Dual core
Bluetooth
USB 3 (Some Amigoid OSes dont even support USB 2!)
Wireless
Flash
Blue Ray
Firewire
Java
And I am just warming up :)
Too be fair even brand new Mac's like today's released new Mac Mini don't support USB3 or Blu-ray and Flash is S Jobs fav video playback system.
:)
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Too be fair even brand new Mac's like today's released new Mac Mini don't support USB3 or Blu-ray and Flash is S Jobs fav video playback system.
:)
That is why PCs still hold world domination :)
BTW, the new mac mini seems way overpriced too.
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When I can buy a Dell desktop unit for 240 dollars, the bar is going to need to be set waaaaay low.
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Care to explain why?
No, he won't, so what you going to do now. ? Smells rather trollish !
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No, he won't, so what you going to do now. ? Smells rather trollish !
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=564692&postcount=51
Try again.
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http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=564692&postcount=51
Try again.
PIRU !!!! Quick delete your stupid, troll baiting post, before he notices ! He's pretty dumb he might have to put it through his Military Grade Grep tool with its "insert a techo word filter" before replying.
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Actually, I found the tool he used.......here we go.
Since Microsock invented TCP, imo there hasn't been a better anticeptic.
Since Apple Corp invented the Flip-Flop, the Beatles sound better on that IPOeD
IBM with one letter removed spells I'm !
Amiga is English for A Muppet in Goal Again !
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Does anyone here still believe A-eon will deliver the X1000 in 10 days from now?
But don't worry. After "summer 2010" and "late 2010", there is always "early 2011". :)
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I dunno, I stopped paying attention after I heard the two-grand figure :/ I could put together like four nice PCs for that kind of money.
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Does anyone here still believe A-eon will deliver the X1000 in 10 days from now?
But don't worry. After "summer 2010" and "late 2010", there is always "early 2011". :)
Ha, Ha U mean you don't know......where have you been !
U've missed the boat pal !
I wouldn't trust the word of anyone including me.
Everyone on the forum is subject to an NDA and we are not allowed to discuss it ! Whoops ah...hope I didn't say anything.
Hush Hush say no more, a nod is as good as a wink to a blind man.
U woke the thread up now. :( bad form !
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I could put together like four nice PCs for that kind of money.
If you add a little extra money you might even get this: http://twitpic.com/3fojno (http://twitpic.com/3fojno)
It´s a steal, ain´t it? But that´s what collectors are willing to pay.
Regarding the X1000: the production machines will arrive sometime next year and AFAIK the betatesters will get their boards soon - if all goes well. But as we know from a lemma to Murphys Law - everything takes longer than expected.
I am still excited about the machine. If I could preoder one today ... well, I´d be tempted.
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Oh man! That cracked me up!. That's like some 1989 style ranting right there!
Since we are at it, are there any chances this machine will revive the interest for AmigaOS? Now, in order to get an Amiga, you have to buy the board and hook everything together by yourself. This has turned off a lot of people, i think.
I am puzzled by the fact that there are so many great OSes out there like Haiku and AmigaOS for home computer usage, yet most users are stuck with the CP/M Fileloader (Windows) and the AT&T line printer manager (Unix/Linux).
Most of the software people use today is open source stuff (VLC/Mozilla/MediaPortal/TSmuxer) so I am really surprised the authors tolerate with X-windows and Window's uber secret API, yet they won't even bother to port for Haiku and AmigaOS to raise interest. So sad...
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Oh man! That cracked me up!. That's like some 1989 style ranting right there!
Heh, no kidding.
Most of the software people use today is open source stuff (VLC/Mozilla/MediaPortal/TSmuxer) so I am really surprised the authors tolerate with X-windows and Window's uber secret API, yet they won't even bother to port for Haiku and AmigaOS to raise interest. So sad...
See, I kind of thought the idea with open source is that people who want a program can contribute their own time and effort to making it happen. I mean, there's nothing stopping anybody from porting Mozilla to the Amiga (besides the fact that there's no way in hell any of the newer versions would run acceptably on any Amiga that isn't just an x86 PC running AROS with a boing-ball sticker slapped on.)
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I am still excited about the machine. If I could preoder one today ... well, I´d be tempted.
Oh, and a funny side story. There is an "official" statement as to which CPU is used in the X1000: http://www.osnews.com/story/24151/A-EON_Reveals_AmigaOne_X1000_Processor_Through_Cake (http://www.osnews.com/story/24151/A-EON_Reveals_AmigaOne_X1000_Processor_Through_Cake)
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Does anyone here still believe A-eon will deliver the X1000 in 10 days from now?
Does anyone still care after its price tag was hinted?
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Does anyone still care after its price tag was hinted?
Yes, as revealed in other threads over the past few months, a number of users have indicated that they plan to buy.