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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: TheMagicM on November 16, 2006, 06:46:52 PM
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With the PS3 and new Nintendo Wii, we (no pun intended) should see some bad a$$ games out. Not necessarily for the Wii, but the PS3. The PS3 is a powerhouse. What I wonder though is will we see any breakthrough games? Surely with all that power we should have lifelike graphics and killer sound.
Or is this a case of where the hardware is ahead of the programmers ability to use them to their full potential?
Thoughts?
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To early yet I think.
I would love to see a game or two that is not on any other console.
As for the PS3 I have yet to see one in action its all well and good seeing a demo on a PC screen but its another to see the real thing in action.
I wish I had the mony I would buy a PS3, to go with my PS1 and PS2.
Having said that it would be rather nice for a good enough TV to display the picture on, to get the best result.
Mike.
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Honestly,
Even if they can take full potential or not, I don't know if they will make something that is breakthrough in gaming.
I personally will stick to the Xbox 360 all the way. PS3 supposively being twice the power of the xbox 360, maybe in CPU power, but in the end, Xbox for teh win! :)
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Does anyone here from Japan/US have their PS3 yet? :-]
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They go on sale tonight (Thursday) at midnight here in Canada as well. But why wait in line for it as it will be far less inexpensive after Christmas. Im likeing the Nintendo one as they again will have alot of the games that my kids can play as well as myself. I'm not much into the kill mame and destroy aspect of alot of the Xbox and PS games.
I wonder if the Nintendo will alow playback of the HD DVDs right out of the box?
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@tonyvdb
The Nintendo Wii won't allow playback of ANY DVDs out of the box. There are rumors of a DVD capable version coming out in 2007.
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I have seen PS3 in action, and the graphics are pretty impresive. We are taking high end pc here.
For me though It will be a Wii. graphics, power and sound are very reasonable considering the price, plus nintendo are actually trying to provide us with something different.
I think the Wii is the only true next-gen console, as the 360 and ps3 are just the same old consoles with more ooomph
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well, the 360 and ps3 are giving you the same games you've always played, except with more of everything: more detail, more enemies, more effects
atleast the PS3 added a gyro to it's controller, however, at a loss of rumble
I'm a little miffed with the Wii's graphical power which is just a bit more than the original Xbox
having said that, I play my Gamecube on a 50" widescreen and I do find it good enough so the Wii will look marginally better
I am holding out for a future update to 540p output for the Wii...
having said all this, the Wii's controller interface seems to make these old games fun again and that's why I'm buying it
I have a PC (with a Gamecube controller attached to it) for any other kind of gaming experience I desire, hi-def or otherwise...
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saw a preview today of the new sonic on the wii and it looked amazing, and its really really fast
is the wii being released on 8th december in the usa too?
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November 19 for the Wii in the USA.
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at least nintendo have a more or less the same worlwide release date.
got one on pre-order
6 months till the new mario and metroid games though :(
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Who cares about graphics and processors? It's the games that matter. And honestly, I'm bored of computer games. At least I was until I got my DS. The 360 and PS3 are just more of the same tired old crap. FPSs, footie games, war games... it's all been done to death. The only exciting product on the horizon is the Wii.
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moto
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exactly, nintendo have gone back to inovating, and the price is right, and they are small and really cool.
I have always love nintendos stuff to be honest.
my fav game of all time is yoshis island on the snes
as i said wii is next-gen, the future of gaming is all about finding new ways to play games, not rehashing 30 year old ideas
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I agree but you can't blame a brother for asking for a wee (pun intended) bit more bling bling on the A/V side...
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this is true, but £150 compared to whatever the ps3 will be , is it £400 - £600. I really dont mind
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In the next month or so, I'm going to purchase a 1080P Sony KDS-50A2000 HDTV. I'll need a High Def Video player to take advantage of it, so I'll be picking up a PS3 when I can get ahold of one. For me the HUGE selling point of the PS3 is it's ability to play Blu-Ray movies. Right now stand alone Blu-Ray players are running about $900. The PS3 is a bargain at $599. My gut feeling is that Blu-Ray will beat HD DVD because of the PS3.
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Viva Piñata FTW!
Actually, I think the Wii will be fun. What I'm really hoping is that the virtual console games support multiplayer (over Internet). I'll try to pick one up this weekend. I saw the games, controllers, etc. are already on sale but I didn't see much in the launch titles that was interesting. After all, Zelda is just the same old thing with more pixels, more effects, and more enemies.
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Hmm this is a hard one for me actually since i own the last/current gen machines,dreamcast,gamecube,xbox and ps2...
I do like the nintendo and the wii does look good but on the gamecube i have hardly played on it..
Mainly because there was only a hand full of games i liked that werent ports from the xbox or ps2..Mario kart,wwe day of reckoning,F zero and a couple more..
I had bought the dreamcast first and that was an amazing machine that actually felt like a large jump from the ps1,N64,saturn...PS3 sounds great but i doubt i will have that kind of money so until there is a price drop in a few yrs im just watching the 360 and wii and see what games are on what then i`ll buy one of them.
Right now i`m enjoying farcry on my xbox and Ridge racer on my psp.
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So far I'm not impressed with the Wii. I played with one for a bit at a Gamestop. The only game that seemed to be available was ExciteTruck. It was an okay game, but the Wiimote doesn't make a satisfying controller for a racing game, even an arcady one like ExciteTruck. The complete lack of resistance to your movements is very awkward at first. You get used to it after a little while, but it still leaves you with an unsatisfying tactile experience.
Motion sensing game controllers is nothing new. I think looking at past examples rythm games, "light-gun" games, sword-fighting games and certain types of sports games will work well with the Wii controller, but I'm not convinced that other games will. To an extent, modern arcades survive on their wacky control schemes since home consoles easily match what arcade machines can do graphically and the arcades are certainly no strangers to motion sensors and similar technology. If anyone had a vested interest in pushing the boundaries of funny motion sensing controllers you would think it would be the arcade manufacturers, yet you don't see them venture out of those genres with motion sensing tech. Granted part of this may because not all genres work well in an arcade setting, but it still doesn't inspire confidence.
Perhaps I'll change my tune when I get to try some of the other games, but for now I have no interest in buying a Wii particularly with the $250 price tag. It's too much for warmed-over last-gen hardware even if it has a fancy new controller.
The 360 has my interest at the moment. Graphically speaking, Gears of War looks better than anything I've seen for the PS3 so far (though I've only seen screenshots of PS3 games so far) and while it's pretty standard fare as far as shooters go, the strong support for multiplayer coop is a nice feature. Dead Rising seems to be a great game from the little bit of time I've spent with it and there are at least a few other titles that seem pretty interesting so far. The fact that the door is at least somewhat open for homebrew is also a plus.
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I have to say that I spent a few hours tonight playing the Wii and the motion controller was so much fun, the Excite Truck game that was being demoed was excellent and a whole lot of fun.
Placing the controller on the side and using it as a driving wheel was so much fun. It was pretty amazing to see 3 different women come into the store tonight and try out the game and say.. "Hey this is a lot of fun, I think I will buy one for myself.. my husband/boyfriend can use mine.." Later that night I saw a few fathers try it out with their sons and say.. "..son we NEED to buy one of these..", "..this is the first game I have played since the 80s.."
It is when I heard that I knew that Nintendo hit the exact marketspace they wanted... everyone else and not the hardcore gamer... I have to say that their strategy of catering to everyone may just work out great for them.
I like the anime golf game by Tecmo that requires you to use the controller like a real golf club. I also like the Trauma Center game where you play an emergency room doctor, it just seems to me that the titles have a good variety for many people.
I am looking forward to Sunday for Zelda, Golf, Wii Sports, Trauma Center and Red Steel.
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Surely with all that power we should have lifelike graphics and killer sound.
Or is this a case of where the hardware is ahead of the programmers ability to use them to their full potential?
But what is really so killed about the GFX capabilities of the PS3? The gfx card of the PS3 is basically a gf7 card, which the pc has had access to for ages. PC has now actually gotten the next generation geforce cards, so i think the ps3 graphics will soon lag behind pc just like the previous sony console.
Consoles have lagged behind the pc since the playstation 1 days, which was in my opinion one if not the last console that was ahead.
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people here seems to hype the Wii and well i dunno as i havent played on one yet but i do agree with one here about the wii, its like playing one of thoose drive em up games in the arcade hall from the early 80's .. no rumble(?) and the steering wheel went on and on and on and on ...there was no end to how many times u could turn the wheel but the worst thing was that it took only 2 seconds on the wheel to make the car spin out(i think it was pole position btw... and yes Super Sprint:)).
and that my friends is just how that excite truck movie looked like :-)....
I have tried the XbX360 and PS3 and to be honest... motorstorm looks awesome, HAZE looks awesome and Gears of war Looks incredible... but does it offer anything new?...no ... do i want something new? ... well maybe.
I saw the rolling demo of Assassins Creed on the PS3 and i have no words.. this is new and i like it but its not new as in new.
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So far the PS3 has been a real letdown. It has a lot more CPU power, but the graphics are virtually identical to the XBox360. Also, any machine with a 160mm fan (yes, really) gives me the willies. If the games are good enough, I might buy one in 3-4 years.
I'm going to get a 360 as soon as the new 65nm CPUs are out. I really like the games that are available, but the reliability issues still bug me.
Despite the new controller, I expect Wii games to be pretty much the same as Gamecube games. I also like to play video games in bed before I go to sleep, and I don't have room to move the controller. And, yes, the graphics suck for what you pay. If it really did lauch at $170, I'd get one.
As for the PC, I just bought a new Core Duo 2 system. It actually runs cooler than my 2.4Ghz P4, and is about 3 times as fast at a lower clock speed. That's amazing. I play a lot of strategy games with my Wacom tablet. Try it!
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Well, I expect alot of 1st year Wii games to be nothing more that Wii-makes, with a couple of exceptions (Red Steel).
GT Pro Series is a Japan only GC game with Wii-mote steering added on and released worldwide.
FarCry is an unreleased GC build again with Wii-controls added on.
So the graphics you will see are GC graphics in most situations...not that the GC is bad, it's not. But again, this is supposed to be "next-gen".
Most of these games were developed on 729MHz hardware. No one knows the true speed of the final hardware, I'm guessing a 325MHz GPU and bus with a 975MHz cpu by Miyamoto's statements of "many times faster than a Gamecube" just the other day.
Nintendo is known for releasing better devkits over a console's lifespan...so will see what future Wii games bring to the table. I for one am happy about the new controls and the fact that pretty much every game will support 16x9 480p.
Regarding 480p...I think it's more of a marketing term rather than a fixed resolution limit. How can Nintendo release a PAL game in 480p (60fps)when the PAL standard is 576p (50fps)? Yet most games run at 30fps (frame doubled).
So I definitely see a potential 540p option via a firmware upgrade in the future. Also, 540p will upscale nicely on a 1080(i/p) capable HDTV. If the GC could handle "480p" then the Wii should have no problem doing "540p".
Looking at games like Pokemon Battle Revolution coming out in Japan where the ingame characters look like CGI renders, I definitely see potential in games make specifically for the Wii from the ground up.
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So the graphics you will see are GC graphics in most situations...not that the GC is bad, it's not. But again, this is supposed to be "next-gen".
Most of these games were developed on 729MHz hardware. No one knows the true speed of the final hardware, I'm guessing a 325MHz GPU and bus with a 975MHz cpu by Miyamoto's statements of "many times faster than a Gamecube" just the other day.
I wouldn't expect the graphics to get much better. The Gekko gets about 1125 Dhrystone MIPS at 485 MHz. Even if it scaled linearly with clockspeed you'd still end up with only about 2261 MIPS compared with 6400 MIPS for a SINGLE core in the 360 CPU combine that with a GPU that has no support for programmable shaders and you end up with a system that is completely incapable of producing "next-gen" graphics even at 480p. I'm sure there will be some improvement over the current crop of games, but there's no reason to expect any miracles.
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Some of you have mentioned the BlueRay capabilities of the PS3. Dont get sucked into buying it because of that. The high deff output of the PS3 will never be as good as a stand alone player and the price has already come down on them since they first came out. By mid next year more companies will have High deff players out and the price will fall. Nintendo put alot of effort into the development of the Wii and the ingenious controller will make games fun to play again. The Wii is also 100% backwards compatible playing all the N-game cube games as well as downloading all the rom games from the N-64 so its got my vote.
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Wii is the only console that interest me. The reason is innovation which both the PS3 and Xbox 360 lack. I prefer playability over shiny graphics, which is why i still play some good old classics these days.
I will still wait and see from the sideline before buying it though, as it has yet to be seen if this new controller works in real life.
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tonyvdb wrote:
Some of you have mentioned the BlueRay capabilities of the PS3. Dont get sucked into buying it because of that. The high deff output of the PS3 will never be as good as a stand alone player and the price has already come down on them since they first came out.
FUD. Care to quote a reliable source on this?
...as well as downloading all the rom games from the N-64 so its got my vote.
Incorrect. At launch there will only be 1 N64 game available, Super Mario 64. It remains to be seen if people will be willing to re-buy their N64 collection at ~$10 a game.
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I'm going to spring for a wii, but only after the new Metroid Prime comes out. By then the price will be lower and I won't have to battle the heard to get my hands on one.
The wii graphics will be a good step up from the GC graphics for sure. I know that the 360 and ps3 have a lot more power under the hood but I don't care. If i was all about the graphics power and everything else, I wouldn't even consider a console anyway. The gpus in these new consoles were outdated before the developers even got a preview.
Considering Sonys long standing behavior pattern of treating their customers like cattle, I wouldn't touch the ps3 with a ten foot pole.
I won't have to worry about my wii downrezzing my signal to my tv because the tv didnt have some drm key. Early adoptors of hdtv sets are getting screwed by the content providers and player manufacturers with all this drm crap.
Since Nintendo is making new games that everybody is interested in, this means that I'll get yelled at less by my girlfriend when i pick up the controller, cause she will be playing too.
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adolescent wrote:
FUD. Care to quote a reliable source on this?
This has been the case with the X-box and its DVD output as well. The PS3 has no bench test reviews as of yet but it is almost a garentee that it will fall into the "spend alot of time developing the gaming graphics quality, CPU and not enough on the Video output quality" rut.
You dont need to beleave me (I do have alot of knowledge in this field) but you will kick yourself later when you find out. Sony has never had great video output from any of there DVD players in the past so this will most likely be the same (Denon has the best on the market). The laser pickup assembly, motor trasport, power suply transformer quality and digital prossing all play factors in how good the quality is.
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The laser pickup assembly, motor trasport, power suply transformer quality and digital prossing all play factors in how good the quality is.
I dont see how that should make any of a difference when it comes to compressed video formats. The decoder chips and output is what really counts. The laser does not matter much as long as it manages to read a disc without errors. With digital formats you either have picture or you dont.. It will simply drop frames or pixels if the laser is so bad that it so bad that it cannot read the disc properly.
The ps2 was mainly a horrible dvd player due to the sucky output.. The default output was only composite!!
The laser matters more when it comes to reading scratchy discs and so on.
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TheMagicM wrote:
With the PS3 and new Nintendo Wii, we (no pun intended) should see some bad a$$ games out. Not necessarily for the Wii, but the PS3. The PS3 is a powerhouse. What I wonder though is will we see any breakthrough games? Surely with all that power we should have lifelike graphics and killer sound.
Or is this a case of where the hardware is ahead of the programmers ability to use them to their full potential?
Thoughts?
I think the latter, only now are we seeing the true potential of the PS2 for example. It takes most of a consoles life, or any machine for that matter, for it to reach its true potential and for developers to push the boundaries.
The Amiga 1200 is a prime example, a very good example. The early PS2 games looked barely any better to some PS1 games of the time, I'm sure it will apply to the PS3 and the Wii as well. It will take a few years yet before we really see what these machines can be capable of.
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tonyvdb wrote:
You dont need to beleave me (I do have alot of knowledge in this field) but you will kick yourself later when you find out. Sony has never had great video output from any of there DVD players in the past so this will most likely be the same (Denon has the best on the market). The laser pickup assembly, motor trasport, power suply transformer quality and digital prossing all play factors in how good the quality is.
A lot of knowledge in this field? A couple of posts back you thought the Wii could play HD-DVD. Heck, you didn't even know how to SPELL Blu-Ray. :lol:
FUD.
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Tomas wrote:
The decoder chips and output is what really counts.
"and digital processing" Thats what I was talking about. HD DVDs will still need to be decoded and that uses a different process then outputting the Game video. Sony will not have spent much time on this because of the price that the PS3 is marked at.
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adolescent wrote:
A lot of knowledge in this field? A couple of posts back you thought the Wii could play HD-DVD. Heck, you didn't even know how to SPELL Blu-Ray. :lol:
FUD.
Be nice, I have minor dyslexia and I have trouble typing what I want to. I know the difference between the different High Deff formats. And it is a "Blue" Laser that reads the disk. I can also tell you that the HDMI/DVI interface dosent always mean that you get a better signal to the display as some of the DVD players out there do a far better job decoding the video signal then the TV displays do particularly CRT displays using component can give far better results. I have a 53" High Deff rear projection CRT display at home that blows most of the LCD and Plasma displays out of the field for picture quality. Particularly after I have calibrated it properly (they come poorly adjusted from the factory)
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Just got home with mine here in Oregon. Camped out 2 nights for it.
It is for sale though ;-)
AmigaHeretic
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AmigaHeretic wrote:
Just got home with mine here in Oregon. Camped out 2 nights for it.
It is for sale though ;-)
AmigaHeretic
Good thing you werent camping out with these guys: http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/16/ps3-hopefuls-shot-with-bbs-at-kentucky-best-buy/
I bet the guys who did the drive by were player hating cd32 holdouts.
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There were many people camped out for two or more days here at various locations in below freezing temperatures (-7oC). Thats way to dedicated of a fan for me.
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MskoDestny wrote:
I wouldn't expect the graphics to get much better. The Gekko gets about 1125 Dhrystone MIPS at 485 MHz. Even if it scaled linearly with clockspeed you'd still end up with only about 2261 MIPS compared with 6400 MIPS for a SINGLE core in the 360 CPU combine that with a GPU that has no support for programmable shaders and you end up with a system that is completely incapable of producing "next-gen" graphics even at 480p. I'm sure there will be some improvement over the current crop of games, but there's no reason to expect any miracles.
Well, I already see lots of bloom lighting and smoother frames on Wii demos. Whether the lighting was done in hardware or software, I don't care. Either way, it's something the Gamecube didn't have and now the Wii does. In the end it's all about the games and actually playing Madden on the Wii looks to be alot more fun than on the 360 or PS3. Same goes for upcoming games like Battalion Wars which was fun on the GC but looks like a natural fit on the Wii.
If I want hi-def graphics, I have my PC. I just look for fun games from a console and the ability to not have to be crowed around the TV. I get this now from my GC on my DLP 50" (via my GBA player on the GC). I'm just upgrading it to the Wii and the fun will continue.
My desire for hi-def graphics is me just being a graphics-whore. It is not my "need". Heck, I currently play Fire Emblem:The Sacred Stones (a GBA game) on this same 50" screen and I don't complain about the graphics. It's about the games.
People are slowly tiring of the same old games. How many FPS games can a person play before he/she is ready for something else? Atleast the Wii makes the aiming more involving and natural at the same time.
Changing the way you play does change how you enjoy it.
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lou_dias wrote:
MskoDestny wrote:
I wouldn't expect the graphics to get much better. The Gekko gets about 1125 Dhrystone MIPS at 485 MHz. Even if it scaled linearly with clockspeed you'd still end up with only about 2261 MIPS compared with 6400 MIPS for a SINGLE core in the 360 CPU combine that with a GPU that has no support for programmable shaders and you end up with a system that is completely incapable of producing "next-gen" graphics even at 480p. I'm sure there will be some improvement over the current crop of games, but there's no reason to expect any miracles.
Well, I already see lots of bloom lighting and smoother frames on Wii demos. Whether the lighting was done in hardware or software, I don't care. Either way, it's something the Gamecube didn't have and now the Wii does. In the end it's all about the games and actually playing Madden on the Wii looks to be alot more fun than on the 360 or PS3. Same goes for upcoming games like Battalion Wars which was fun on the GC but looks like a natural fit on the Wii.
If I want hi-def graphics, I have my PC. I just look for fun games from a console and the ability to not have to be crowed around the TV. I get this now from my GC on my DLP 50" (via my GBA player on the GC). I'm just upgrading it to the Wii and the fun will continue.
My desire for hi-def graphics is me just being a graphics-whore. It is not my "need". Heck, I currently play Fire Emblem:The Sacred Stones (a GBA game) on this same 50" screen and I don't complain about the graphics. It's about the games.
People are slowly tiring of the same old games. How many FPS games can a person play before he/she is ready for something else? Atleast the Wii makes the aiming more involving and natural at the same time.
Changing the way you play does change how you enjoy it.
At least now we can both agree that the Wii is going to be a kick ass gaming platform, and not the future of Amiga OS4.
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I hate to brag!
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/045694.html
ps, Wii disks are silver like DVD's but my DVD player didn't like it either...
ofcourse, I haven't tweaked the POT on my modded qoo yet...
probably because I'm not a pirate, just like homebrew stuff...like AROS on GC!
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So you got a game and controller but no Wii (yet). I'll be impressed if you can score a Wii before street date.
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I played Excite Truck and the graphics were alot better than any Gamecube racer I've ever played.
I think complaints about Wii graphics on some games is because lazy developers just recompiled GC builds for the Wii with no graphical updates. And it looked great on a 27" widescreen LCD and even my female acquaintance enjoyed Excite Truck as a non-gamer.
It seems PS3's are having HDMI issues:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/17/ps3-hdmi-doesnt-like-you/
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lou_dias wrote:
It seems PS3's are having HDMI issues:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/17/ps3-hdmi-doesnt-like-you/
All they need to do is hold the power button for 5 seconds (until the second beep) to let the console sync with the HDMI. Why the joystiq guys are a week behind with this information that the AVSforum guys got day 1.
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HDMI has always had issues, If the "handshake" between the DVD player or other device is not perfect the TV/display will block the signal. This is because of copyright laws that prohibit recording video in High deff from the players so there is little to no tolerance allowed in the digital video stream.
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tonyvdb wrote:
Some of you have mentioned the BlueRay capabilities of the PS3. Dont get sucked into buying it because of that. The high deff output of the PS3 will never be as good as a stand alone player and the price has already come down on them since they first came out. By mid next year more companies will have High deff players out and the price will fall. Nintendo put alot of effort into the development of the Wii and the ingenious controller will make games fun to play again. The Wii is also 100% backwards compatible playing all the N-game cube games as well as downloading all the rom games from the N-64 so its got my vote.
That might be true if a person is going to use an analog high definition connector (component) to connect the PS3 to their TV. Connecting via HDMI (digital high def) yields the same results as a stand alone Blu Ray unit. There are already reviews out that confirm this.
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I have a Samsung HDMI DVD player and I don't have any issues connecting it to my Samsung 50" DLP. This is just another quality issue for Sony. Yes, you can work around it but it's an annoyance. Sony made a big deal about Blue Ray and HDMI and you'd think they'd get their {bleep}e straight especially with all the quality issues the PS2 and PSP had.
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lou_dias wrote:
I played Excite Truck and the graphics were alot better than any Gamecube racer I've ever played.
Doesn't seem much better than the Need for Speed or F1 games for the Gamecube. An incremental improvement perhaps, but it's a far cry from something like PGR3 graphically.
I think complaints about Wii graphics on some games is because lazy developers just recompiled GC builds for the Wii with no graphical updates. And it looked great on a 27" widescreen LCD and even my female acquaintance enjoyed Excite Truck as a non-gamer.
The Wii is fundamentally incapable of the kind of next-gen wow that the 360, PS3 and modern PCs can deliver. Bumping the clock and memory on Gamecube hardware will give you higher poly-counts and higher-res textures, but it won't give you the kind of lighting and physics that more advanced machines are capable of. If it was priced more like an incremental improvement to the Gamecube ($150-180) I don't think there would be much complaining.
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koaftder: The wii graphics will be a good step up from the GC graphics for sure.
I doubt it. First, demo kits are available now so you can see the difference, and there really isn't that much. Also, since the Wii dev kits are the same as the Gamecube dev kits, developers already know the architecture very well and probably know how to exploit its power fully at launch. What you see now is likely what it will be through the life of the console.
My biggest gripe about Wii graphics is visual quality. It's one thing to add a few more million polygons, but many Wii games don't use anti-aliasing. That's unacceptable for 2006 hardware at SDTV resolutions, regardless of price range. A $30 budget PC video card can do that.
Detail may not affect gameplay, but visual quality does.
Nintendo is probably making $80-$100 profit on each machine, and unlike Gamecube, customers are not enjoying the benefits of their cost cutting. The Gamecube was actually a good machine.
I refuse to buy a Wii until they bring the cost down, and resolve the trickle of software that plagued the Gamecube. Virtual Console titles do not count as launch titles.
tonyvdb: This has been the case with the X-box and its DVD output as well. The PS3 has no bench test reviews as of yet but it is almost a garentee that it will fall into the "spend alot of time developing the gaming graphics quality, CPU and not enough on the Video output quality" rut.
The XBox uses only software and no filtering on it's DVD playback, so it looks like crap. I think the XBox uses a derivitive of PowerDVD, which is crap by any standard. The DVD quality from my PS2 easily rivals a high-end $250 DVD player in terms of visual quality, because the filtering and color-correction is all done in hardware.
The main reason HD players are so expensive is because they are actual PCs, instead of purpose-built embedded hardware. Once they get rid of P4 processors and move to custom hardware, prices will drop REAL fast. $150 HD players in 3 years or so.
Tomas: The ps2 was mainly a horrible dvd player due to the sucky output.. The default output was only composite!!
Get a better cable. My S-Video cable cost $5 and the image is rock solid and beautiful. I never bothered to get component cables.
Then again, my PS2 was manufactured about two years after launch. I wouldn't be surprised if the cheaper PS2 slim has awful output.
tonyvdb: HD DVDs will still need to be decoded and that uses a different process then outputting the Game video. Sony will not have spent much time on this because of the price that the PS3 is marked at.
Um, Sony specializes in movie hardware. I thought the PS2 would be an awful DVD player (like my PC) until I tried it and found it to be a REAL DVD player.
It's all in the filtering and color-correction.
Also note that Blu-ray movies use a similar codec to DVD. The players don't look as good as HD-DVD, but that also means the codec technology from DVD will be carried over quite well. I expect the PS3 to be a good HD player. Of course, I have no interest in HD movies.
Lou: I think complaints about Wii graphics on some games is because lazy developers just recompiled GC builds for the Wii with no graphical updates.
You mean like what Nintendo did to Zelda, their flagship product and probably most important Wii release? With all the fanboys chanting "graphics don't matter", and Nintendo's ability to profit from recycling their biggest killer app of the year, I doubt that's going to give much incentive to other developers to even bother optimizing anything.
My take is that the Wii processor has the same geometry and AA engine as the Gamecube, and the same embedded video memory issues (probably 2-3MB of texture memory). They only sped it up and added some pixel shaders, as seen in Mario Galaxies. The CPU is a different story, but in any case, it's unacceptable by 2006 technology standards.
I'm going to pick up a 360 after the holidays, and continue gaming on my PC and PS2 for now.
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lou_dias wrote:
This is just another quality issue for Sony. Yes, you can work around it but it's an annoyance.
Sure, it's a one time annoyance. But, since Sony has already put out the information, and has a work around already in the hardware I don't think it's a big deal. My guess is they'll issue a firmware patch once things settle down (if they haven't already). Just like they are doing for the 200 or so PS1/PS2 games that are having issues.
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Well, I played Madden on MY Wii last night...
I don't know... Maybe the progressive scan cables I have on order will show some skin textures better. Overall, as it stands, I'll say my Madden '05 (yes 05 not 06) on the Gamecube in progressive scan has better textures than Madden 07 on the Wii.
However, the lighting is ALOT better and the graphics in the stuff that doesn't matter such as the crowd, camera crews on the sidelines and stuff.
Now when I first got my progressive scan cables for the GC and played Metroid Prime is when I noticed what a difference those cables can make. That's what really makes textures shine on the GC.
So I will reserve final judgement until I get my cables from Nintendo which were backordered as of last week.
Also, the animation is alot better and I never saw any framerate drop that the GC version has. I should try playing my GC version on the Wii via the composite cables to make a better comparison...and see if the Wii hardware eliminates the framerate drop on GC games.
As for playing it with the Wii controllers, it took a full game for me to get used to it. On offense, it's great. On defense, I got to read the manual on how to play the defensive line better...but that's no different than me playing it on the GC. There are alot more defensive options then selecting a defender with the pointer and telling that defender what to do (as in an individual audible vs. a team one).
Oh, and I got to play alot more of Excite Truck, and let me tell you that game is fun as all HFIL!!!
Speaking of Dragonball Z:Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Beautiful game...however, I may have to switch to the GC controllers for playing it...or atleast got throught the tutorials better. But DBZ fighting at it's best!
I also bought GT Pro Series to get the wheel. Haven't tried it yet.
I'm also stil in the 1st village on Zelda. Just got the fishing pole. Generally I'm way to busy to be posting here and am having so much fun instead of {bleep}ing about which system is better. I'm only posting because I'm at work now...LOL!
All 3 are good systems. I see no reason to pay that kind of money for a PS3 with Sony's quality control track record. The 360 is a great system but I don't support Microsoft as a rule and it's still a power hungry loud biatch. Nintendo just made another quality product. Sure it just feels like a slight upgrade with a fancy new controller right now...but we'll see how much more power future dev kits unlock. Even if they don't - it's still a boat load of fun and that's good enough for me.
Wii Sports Bowling and Excite Truck FTW! (And I generally don't do racing games...) Try them and tell me this system ain't going to be fun! Don't just watch screenshots or video reviews. Watching sucks, playing rules!