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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: SysAdmin on November 14, 2013, 07:26:55 PM
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/ps4-developers-tell-us-what-makes-the-system-stand-out/
If you buy a PS4 don't forget to also buy the Shadow of the Beast remake when it's available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x28VDZDKXHw
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Ive pre-ordered the PS4 but the new shadow of the beast does not look like having any gameplay that feels SOFTB but who knows I might give it a try :)
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I think I'll go for a PS4 this time around. I haven't had a PSX since the first one (PS1->DreamCast->XBOX->360) but I don't really like the direction that MS is going in with this whole integrated Cable TV/voice-controlled/arm-waving crap.
I'm in no rush though, I'm still happy with my 360 so I'll probably wait till next year to upgrade.
It's a shame Google/Android haven't managed to step-up with a decent alternative, and let's not even talk about the Wii U :)
CNET Article (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-9020_7-57612108-222/ps4-declassified-how-sony-used-its-ps3-mistakes-to-build-the-ultimate-developers-console/)
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I have a Wii U, I'm good. Am patiently awaiting VR head sets and Half-Life 3 for Linux. :)
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Think I'll skip this round of consoles this time seeing as theyre both low end x86 boxes anyway.
The weak hardware in them should make pc versions stand out, even if the software is just straight ports.
Granted the exclusive titles will mostly remain exclusive, but these arent as common as they once were due to cost of developing an AAA title.
For my tastes there's just not much interesting in "new" gaming systems that are heavily outclassed by a midspec gaming pc.
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I'll admit, I'm kind of with Fishy on this.
Better graphics engines, but frankly I'm not sure that the machines are all that much of an upgrade.
Probably easier to code for, but then that is hardly a consumer's concern.
Heck, now that they are cheap, I might just buy an XBOX360 to hack around with and experiment with homebrew software.
I'd consider that with a PS3, but Sony really skimped on the XDR memory in that console.
Its a pity no one has documentation for the XBOX CPU, there are a ton of them available now, but they are useless except as repair parts.
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I'll admit, I'm kind of with Fishy on this.
Better graphics engines, but frankly I'm not sure that the machines are all that much of an upgrade.
Probably easier to code for, but then that is hardly a consumer's concern.
Heck, now that they are cheap, I might just buy an XBOX360 to hack around with and experiment with homebrew software.
I'd consider that with a PS3, but Sony really skimped on the XDR memory in that console.
Its a pity no one has documentation for the XBOX CPU, there are a ton of them available now, but they are useless except as repair parts.
Well I ordered my PS 4 :D I do not regret it a bit. I sold my xBox 360 and bought me a PS 4 :D I am going to have so much fun with it hehehe!!
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PCs don't hold the same appeal to me for gaming.
All seems a bit too fiddly.
I prefer something I can just use.
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PCs don't hold the same appeal to me for gaming.
All seems a bit too fiddly.
I prefer something I can just use.
Plus PC does not flash it's power LED when there is something wrong with it :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1: PS 4 does hehe!:biglaugh:
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I will wait (a few years probably:)) with a new console until I can play backup games. Original games cost a week salary where I live.
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I buy the PS4 mostly because I enjoy RPG's on a gamepad in my sofa on my big TV. My main Workstation is a high-end PC and I play some on it also, but I myself do not care much for graphics as long as there is good gameplay so I don't mind to play the same game on PC and console even tho the PC version is superior in graphics.
Even tho it's possible to play with a gamepad on PC the game menus/invetory etc are not made for a gamepad and controlling a mouse with a thumb stick is nothing I enjoy, so consoles and PC has use for me.
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Well the appeal to the developers, I guess, is that its easier to port to a PC rather than more specialized hardware.
If I am ever going to get me another console, it will be the Wii U, but I havent used my Wii in ages, well a couple of years any way.
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I will wait (a few years probably:)) with a new console until I can play backup games. Original games cost a week salary where I live.
Why don't you call it pirated games instead of backup?.
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Why don't you call it pirated games instead of backup?.
An Amiga forum is probably not he best place to lecture someone about piracy.
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Heck, now that they are cheap, I might just buy an XBOX360 to hack around with and experiment with homebrew software.
I'd consider that with a PS3, but Sony really skimped on the XDR memory in that console.
There always seemed to be more homebrew for the PS3 than xbox 360 and it's generally easier to hack (as long as the PS3 hasn't had it's firmware updated past 3.55)
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SONY can keep their crap. I'll stick with the pc for modern gaming.
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SONY can keep their crap. I'll stick with the pc for modern gaming.
And you are willing to pay as much for your video card as a console gamer pays for his whole platform, right?
That does it, I've decided to stick with Android gaming.
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Why don't you call it pirated games instead of backup?.
Pirated, cracked, copied, backed up, not original, downloaded, whatever, I am sure you know what I mean. I will make a drawing next time :).
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The only time I really have for gaming now, is on the tube... So basically if the game doesn't exist for the iPad, I just don't have time to play it :( I would love to have played skyrim...
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Pirated, cracked, copied, backed up, not original, downloaded, whatever, I am sure you know what I mean. I will make a drawing next time :).
Tell me when shall I get out my popcorn please? :D
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Can't say the PS4 has generated a lot of interest in me. The specs are too low. Some of the games that have been released or being released soon are limited to lower than 1080p which has been standard on the pc for a while. They had to do this because the games were skipping frames. It isn't even out yet, yet they have to lower the screen res to keep the frame rate high. That doesn't speak well for a console that is designed for a 10 year life span.
Also I think the touchpad on the controller is a gimmick. On the otherhand the move sensor being incorporated into the controller is a good idea. Still a gimmick though. But at the end of the day the Playstation controllers are the best controllers money can buy (in my opinion).
I'll probably buy one though. Consoles are a lot easier to set up when your mates come around for a drink. Too much messing around with pc's. Consoles are more convenient.
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My problem with this generation of consoles (excluding Nintendo as since the Wii they have decided last generation quality graphics are enough to compete) is that for the first time on launch day there are plenty of PC machines that will perform better than them.
Atari 2600 vs Hercules PC
Commodore 64/Colecovision vs CGA PC
Amiga 1000 vs PC-AT
PS1 vs MMX PC
Xbox1 vs Pentium 3 PC
360 vs PC
OK in some cases it's very close and the difference is made up for by coding for a closed hardware reference vs a million and one hardware combinations running on a sh1t OS that throws CPU power away for no reason on top of that.
But the PS4 and even more so the Xbox-One are really budget priced AMD CPU'd spec PCs costing very little. The exclusive titles are getting less and less exclusive and the fact that the two new consoles are essentially PCs just running a different OS will mean greedy software house will not be able to resist doing crappy ports on PC (and telling you to run them on an i7 to compensate for crap OS/coding).
We are now in the situation of NES vs Amiga 1000. What kind of idiot would buy an NES instead of an Amiga 500 in 1988 before the Sega 16bit consoles....hmmm....I see your point....in the US they will be a massive success I guess if history repeats itself LOL
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We are now in the situation of NES vs Amiga 1000. What kind of idiot would buy an NES instead of an Amiga 500 in 1988 before the Sega 16bit consoles....hmmm....I see your point....in the US they will be a massive success I guess if history repeats itself LOL
In Sweden NES was super common, A500s also but younglings had a NES and the little older kids had A500s.
Most kids got a NES at birthdays/x-mas since they were easier to use for the Young ones, no loading times and no switching mouse/joysick etc.
Also cartridges was easier to handle then floppies for kids.
But looking at people at ages 12-30 everyone had a A500 :) Atari ST was not to common here, I knew no one who had an Atari ST.
Later when SNES came out the poorer people bought used NES.
(This is how it was where I lived back then).
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The new consoles don't really interest me, then again, apart from a PS1 and an Atari 2600 I've never owned consoles when they were fresh and popular. I actually hate joypads. So for me it'll still be Steam.
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Well I ordered my PS 4 :D I do not regret it a bit. I sold my xBox 360 and bought me a PS 4 :D I am going to have so much fun with it hehehe!!
im thinking of a playstation 2 just for a dvd player in my bedroom ..then i heard a dreamcast could play vcds ...an that playstation 1 can also play vcds if the movie is incoded to pss format ..why buy just a dvd player ..more fun the other way ..an i only just got a ps3 a year or 2 ago ..just for tennis games ..topspin4 is mad ..if ps4 gets a great tennis game prob get one then ..
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The new consoles don't really interest me, then again, apart from a PS1 and an Atari 2600 I've never owned consoles when they were fresh and popular. I actually hate joypads. So for me it'll still be Steam.
Indeed. In the whole desert island scenario if I could only have three machines (with access to any game ever produced on them) I would probably go with 2600, C64 and PS1. Those three machines have such an amazing back catalogue and for the EU were a revolution in the late 70s to late 90s. You could not ask for a finest back catalogue of games on any other combination of 3 systems in my opinion.
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The new consoles don't really interest me, then again, apart from a PS1 and an Atari 2600 I've never owned consoles when they were fresh and popular. I actually hate joypads. So for me it'll still be Steam.
Personally, I really liked the Sega Dreamcast myself.
Neat design.
Show how bad my judgement can be though (I think I still have one of those around somewhere...).
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No gaming console has ever launched with a CPU even close to comparing to the better PC processors at the time of launch. They win by offering additional stuff you don't find on the average PC... new GPUs, extra processors as on the PS3, etc. The PPCs in the PS3 and X-Box 360 were clocked very fast, sure, but they were super simple processors, simple pipeline, small caches, etc. compared to desktop processors.
It's easy to understand why. For one, a game console has to be relative cheap to sell. They come out expensive, early on, to help cover the NRE on the design, but they have to be able to get cheap... no one wants to subsidize the cost for the life of the product. They also have to be low power.. no one will accept a huge fan in their livingroom. So the design has to be largely something that can be integrated onto a few chips.
Both PS4 and X-Box One are using multi-core AMDs, both with an upgraded GPU architecture. These are not going to outperform my desktop PC. On the other hand, being on the same chip, the CPU to GPU path is faster than any PC (well, other than those new ones using the same tech that's been released into new AMD chips), and yet it's not the crap GPU you find in, say, Intel's laptop processors.
And then the other factor in gaming consoles... the games get optimized for that specific architecture. Gaming companies know they have 5-8 years of the same console, with virtually no piracy. So they put in the time to optimize for a specific console. Every PC has different CPU and GPU combinations, so there's never this kind of machine-specific tweaking for PC gaming. Sure, new games will look better on your best-in-class PCs. The consoles always look better than mainstream PCs, at least for a couple of years.
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Personally, I really liked the Sega Dreamcast myself.
Neat design.
Show how bad my judgement can be though (I think I still have one of those around somewhere...).
The Dreamcast was at least an improvement, but Sega did such a crappy job on the Saturn, they never recovered. The Saturn had more processor chips than Nintendo or Sony had chips in their system... it was under-powered and yet more expensive to make than the competition.
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The Dreamcast was at least an improvement, but Sega did such a crappy job on the Saturn, they never recovered. The Saturn had more processor chips than Nintendo or Sony had chips in their system... it was under-powered and yet more expensive to make than the competition.
The Sega Saturn underpowered...
...that brings to mind an interesting article I recently read:
http://gbatemp.net/threads/bfwwiwa-issue-1-sega-saturn.361538/
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The Dreamcast was at least an improvement, but Sega did such a crappy job on the Saturn, they never recovered. The Saturn had more processor chips than Nintendo or Sony had chips in their system... it was under-powered and yet more expensive to make than the competition.
In terms of hardware design Sony got it right in the PS1 and wrong in the PS2, Sega got it wrong in the Saturn and right in the Dreamcast. The Saturn probably has more games that I'd want to play than the Dreamcast though.
Piracy killed the Dreamcast, every single console out there could play pirated games when kalisto released their boot cd. After they fixed the problem in new consoles the PS2 hit and demand for new consoles dropped to zero.
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I hate it when a system's demise is blamed on piracy.
The fact is, parasitism is an element of any ecosystem and those that would manage an ecosystem to draw wealth from it need to work it into their operating model.
When I see "killed by piracy" I read "killed by the business' inability to come up with a working real-world model and not willing to admit it".
For every system claimed to be killed by piracy I'll find you another that thrives in spite of piracy.
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In terms of hardware design Sony got it right in the PS1 and wrong in the PS2, Sega got it wrong in the Saturn and right in the Dreamcast. The Saturn probably has more games that I'd want to play than the Dreamcast though.
Piracy killed the Dreamcast, every single console out there could play pirated games when kalisto released their boot cd. After they fixed the problem in new consoles the PS2 hit and demand for new consoles dropped to zero.
Actually, back during the Dreamcast days, Sega (the old Sega) put out an open letter to the community (which I swear I still have a copy of somewhere), that stated that they were not concerned about piracy, that's why they didn't put any security within the system itself, because they did not feel that piracy was a threat considering that most of the general public is made up of consumers that had no idea how to bootleg a Dreamcast disc in the first place. Secondly, they said that the piracy scene only served to advertise the Dreamcast by word of mouth. And lastly they were very supportive of the homebrew scene and if I recall correctly, lended a hand in the Linux port, and I believe there was even going to be a QNX port at one time. Sega was very eager to see people write their own code on the hardware and apply them to all sorts of uses, running factory machines included.
Another side note to mention would be that there are still countries out there that will not allowing ruling against such piracy sites as Pirate Bay, and their economy is still doing fine on top of that.
Here is one recent example of this:
http://www.osnews.com/story/27541/Dutch_courts_overturn_Pirate_Bay_blockade
Lastly, when ever I see an independant, non-biased, non-corporately funded investigation from government in regards to the effects of piracy upon the American economy, time and time again they insist that it isn't doing damage, just as recordable 8-tracks, 16-tracks, beta, and vhs did not pluger the market in the 80's.
Oh, and don't ya just love how Disney bought the rights to material out of public domain, and how nature can now be patented so long as it is modified, as in can't reproduce seeds so to lead to another illegal monopoly, or how... oh never mind. :)
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never got into any consoles after cd32 ..until the ps3 ..mad for tennis games an topspin 4 is outstanding ,,first tennis game ive played that i really have to try on the hardest level now...if the ps4 can have a tennis game to better that probably have a good look at one ..
only consoles i ever really wanted was a 3do an a jaguar ..still do good collector pieces now..
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Bought a Wii U. Love it. Not buying PS4 or XBOX one. Xbox360 good enough for me and for the games like AC4 out on both 360 and wii U will continue to get wii u version as genreally better due to higher spec of wii u over 360 and ps3.
Latest version of ps xbox are not where near the value. My year old alienware laptop is more poewrful in some respects
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Actually, back during the Dreamcast days, Sega (the old Sega) put out an open letter to the community (which I swear I still have a copy of somewhere), that stated that they were not concerned about piracy, that's why they didn't put any security within the system itself, because they did not feel that piracy was a threat considering that most of the general public is made up of consumers that had no idea how to bootleg a Dreamcast disc in the first place. Secondly, they said that the piracy scene only served to advertise the Dreamcast by word of mouth.
That would have been more believable if they hadn't then produced a dreamcast that couldn't boot Mil-CD discs.
But the truth is they went to the effort of putting security in there, they just misjudged that Mil-CD would be an effective way of getting round it.
It would be like Nintendo/Sony saying the same thing about playing games off DVD-R by using the DVD video exploits (unmodified Wii & PS2 can both read burnt DVD-R by fooling it into thinking it's a DVD Video).
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That would have been more believable if they hadn't then produced a dreamcast that couldn't boot Mil-CD discs.
But the truth is they went to the effort of putting security in there, they just misjudged that Mil-CD would be an effective way of getting round it.
It would be like Nintendo/Sony saying the same thing about playing games off DVD-R by using the DVD video exploits (unmodified Wii & PS2 can both read burnt DVD-R by fooling it into thinking it's a DVD Video).
really ?
But wii can not read dvd video discs un-moddified ?
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Dvd movies on dvd-r can be read and used on wii.
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Dvd movies on dvd-r can be read and used on wii.
without modification ? do you mean without any hardware moficifcation then yes they can play dvds. Obviously to play DVD movies you need to modify the OS on the wii as the wii provides no functionality out of the box to watch DVD films.
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Yes you need a so called softmod. Homebrew Chanel.
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When I see "killed by piracy" I read "killed by the business' inability to come up with a working real-world model and not willing to admit it".
Back in the day I had hundreds of games for my C64 and amigas. The games I payed for can be counted on one hand. I also used to use such excuses as above to feel good about my piracy. After those years I can now see a system can't survive on such a user base.
Heck, I really must be getting old; I'm even paying for my digital music recently.