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Title: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Abou27 on April 20, 2004, 04:14:13 PM
Hi there,

I was just thinking about how people fondly remember the classic games of the early 90's on their Amigas - how good the playability was etc.  Over the last year or so, I have been dustiong down old games and firing them up once more.  Some, like SWOS Settlers and F1GP, remain fantastic but on playing Lotus III again for the first time in about 10 years, I was really taken aback by how bad it seemed.  I loved the Lotus series when I was younger and found it hard to come to terms with!

I was wondering if others have experienced similar disappointment when returning to old games?  Alternatively, which have you found ones that live up to their top billing in your memories?
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: drwho on April 20, 2004, 04:23:50 PM
Yeah, with the Amiga, it's really easy to focus on the good since there was (and still is) so much of it to go around. Unfortunately, I remember some really bad titles.

I remember playing a game called "Savage" and the reason that I thought it was so cool was because of the opening soundtrack,man, that game was utter crappola.

Some other games I remember were not so obvious. When Psygnosis came out with RedZone, I was really excited since I like bike racing games and Psygnosis always made such good stuff. I thought I couldn't go wrong. It was horrible though. Completely uncontrollable motorcycle, bad physics, that was a big let down.

I know there are more, but, I can't think of them at the moment.

Mike
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: MAD on April 20, 2004, 04:38:24 PM
Hoya!

EH! I liked Savage! I thought it had an Amstrad CPC feel in it. Besides, I had it on CPC too!

What about Lombard Rally? The point of view form the back seat was interesting, and you could see the co-pilot, too, but the game was SOOOOO slow and IIRC sound was not very good either.

And what about Alien Breed 2???
Brilliant gfx, brilliant sfx but impossible to play!
The difficulty level was just INSANE! 17 levels... Yeah, right, I have never been past the second one...

Any other?

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Ilwrath on April 20, 2004, 04:45:01 PM
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When Psygnosis came out with RedZone, I was really excited since I like bike racing games and Psygnosis always made such good stuff. I thought I couldn't go wrong. It was horrible though.


Yeah... Psygnosis had some great games... But they had some real stinkers, too.  I'd class RedZone as one of the latter.  Fortunatly, "No Second Prize" was so fun it had erased the memory of RedZone, until you just HAD to go and mention it here.  ;-)

I was disappointed when I got the Amiga version of Skyfox.  I had loved the C64 version so much.  Found out I didn't love the Amiga version nearly as much.  :-/

One strange surprise was Street Rods II.  I kinda liked the first one with all the car building and such.  The racing scenes certainly weren't good... But they were adequate.  Then came Street Rods II.  Better car building options.... But totally unplayable because of the "racing" (crawling slow) scenes.  1fps won't cut even slow-mo racing!  I threw it in the closet in disgust, and forgot about it for years.  Tried it for laughs a few years ago on an A1200/030, and was pleasantly surprised to find that it worked and actually played somewhat smoother.  (Though still maybe only 10-15fps)
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Thematic on April 20, 2004, 04:48:02 PM
I think I only got good/excellent titles, but then again there were very few instances where I would know little about them beforehand. Oh, perhaps Simlife was some sort of disappointment. I didn't ever think it could be as absorbing as SC2k, but the edutainment aspect missed me probably because of simplicity. Either of the program or the user. :-)

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playing Lotus III again for the first time in about 10 years, I was really taken aback by how bad it seemed.


While Lotus III isn't a must see compared with the first two, I find that just the mountainside races are bad. This because even under NTSC display the framerate is horrible, and thus only barely playable with carefully selected tracks.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: PMC on April 20, 2004, 04:50:22 PM
Depends if we're talking about being disappointed at the time or disappointed when we play the games ten / fifteen years later...

I bought a CD full of Spectrum games and emulators for my Amiga, hoping to relive those halcyon days when I'd play Elite, Stormbringer and Starglider for hours on end.  I had a very rude shock when I sat down and played those speccy games again and remembered just why I wanted an Amiga so badly in 1990.  Those old 8 bit games came with 8 colours - all garish - and a mind numbing plethora of tinny and slightly out of key bleeps courtesy of the emulated AY chip.  At least they didn't manage to emulate the fifteen minute wait for games to load from tape though!

If you're in any doubt as to the greatness of old Amiga games, just spend half an hour playing Turrican II and your cynicism will disappear...  If there's a better shoot em up out there I've yet to play it!  I do still keep coming back to Batman the Movie, Lotus III, Civilization, Warlords, Doom I & II etc.

Being taken in by hype is nothing new though.  Remember back in 1989 when Psygnosis released Shadow of the Beast?  A truly beautiful game that was distinctly mediocre in terms of gameplay.  Xenon II?  Great graphics and lovely sound, but the scrolling was jerky and I couldn't be arsed to try and get past level 4.  

The biggest offender though has to be US Gold with Outrun.  How could they take that beautiful Sega coin-op and screw it up so badly???
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Legerdemain on April 20, 2004, 05:26:22 PM
I've been playing many old games recently. I've lived with the principle "things were better" for pretty long now, but in all honesty I must say that many many titles have come to dissapoint me... especially some that I held so high in regard back in the days.

STINKERS:
---------

Chaos Engine
- I loved this game. Played it through over and over again. Today? Well, I still like the principles of the game... but what about the lousy scrolling? Scrolling have become one of the most important parts in games... comparing like True Crime on the Gamecube (60hz, as smooth as ever) with True Crime on the X-Box (it stutters all the way through... not even the cinemas are able to play smoothly... feels rushed) is like comparing ABC80 with an AMiGA 4000.

Speedball II
- Loved it then. Can't play it now. It's everything but smooth. The scrolling is horrible.

Moonstone
- Thought it was excellent then. Now it really doesn't hold up to anything. Slow. Jerky control. Jerky graphics. What was the big deal?

Pinball Dreams, Fantasies & Illusions
- Well. They are smooth. And the graphics are nice. But they have aged. Oh man, have they aged! In comparation to Slam Tilt they seem so trivial. There is so little to do on the tables. Slam Tilt still works just fine, and I consider it still by today being the best 2D Pinball simulator ever.

Lotus I, II & III
- What made them impress me? I can't stand them. The graphics are not nice and the gameplay is everything but smooth. Compared to Jaguar XJ220 they seem... lightweight? Jaguar XJ220 still holds up well, and the arcade feeling is instant. Love it. Hate them.

Dune II
- Uhm. It's unplayable. Too few levels. Too hard. Too tedious interface (controlling one unit at a time when there is like 20 units attacking?). This was a major disappointment.

Microcosm
- Unplayable graphic demo. Nice concept. Horrible gameplay. Back in the days it impressed me. But the impression wasn't lasting.


ROCKERS:
--------

Besides the previously mentioned Slam Tilt & Jaguar XJ220...

Super Stardust
- Is this the best asteriods clone ever? The graphics are insanely nice looking and the tunnel sequences STILL seem to impress people. Not to mention the gameplay with so many different enemies, levels and nice challenge.

Turrican II
- The perfect platformer. Although I play it through in about an hour with 30+ lives left, I can't help loving it. The graphics. THE SOUNDTRACK. The leveldesigns. The control. The everything. Man, is this a classic!

Dune
- Never played anything like this since. Real time strategy combined with adventure and almost some RPG-alike elements. Wonderful soundtrack. Nice graphics and overall superb interface to play around with.

Eye of the Beholder I & II
- They are what they are and they are good. Never seizes to intrigue me.

Monkey Island I & II
Indiana Jones & The Fate Of Atlantis
Napalm
Myst
Hero Quest I & II
Brian The Lion
Megaball 4
Cannon Fodder I & II
Civilization
Benefactor
Sim City, Sim City 2000, Sim Ant & Sim Earth
Populous I & II
Bobs Bad Day (it rocks, but no one seems to remember it?)
...and many many more.
- No comments.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: that_punk_guy on April 20, 2004, 06:56:39 PM
I hate Sensible World Of Soccer.

But then, I just hate football. So that's probably a major contributing factor.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: darksun9210 on April 21, 2004, 09:26:41 AM
while i agree all pretty much all of the above points, i feel i must differ on one.

Lotus 2.

more playable than lotus 1, faster and nowhere near as annoying as lotus3.
and 4 player simulanious! this is where it really shines.

jack 2 A500's together with a null modem cable, and get four people together and some beers in. the only game that beats this in my opinion in multiplayer is mariokart double dash on gamecube.

btw, did someone mention starglider? i've been looking for starglider and starglider2 for years!

i'll rate XJ220 very highly, but for some reason, i didn't get that feeling of speed. for that i'll play the demo pre-release version on an amiga format coverdisk i have. plus it has soundFX and music at the same time! as opposed to one or the other in the full game.

and whats all this hype about the "Great Giana Sisters"?
imho it should be the Great Giano Sisters. or however you spell bird poo in potugese/spanish. i remember this as being one of the worst gaming expiriences i had. or has it had a serious update?
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Linchpin on April 21, 2004, 09:52:27 AM
Cool Games :

Supercars II
Monkey Island
Zool! (Yeah, i liked it!)
Jag XJ220
Flashback
Another World
Cannon Fodder

Awfull Games

Days Of Thunder (The WORST)
Street Fighter II (Took sOOOoOO long to load from FD!)

sweet.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Noster on April 21, 2004, 09:58:14 AM
Hi

@Legerdemain

> STINKERS:
> ---------
>
> Speedball II
> - Loved it then. Can't play it now. It's everything but smooth. The scrolling is horrible.

You should use an Amiga to play it ;-) It is still fantastic and full of action, whenever I meet one of my old Amiga-friends for a retro-night, we play it.

> Dune II
> - Uhm. It's unplayable. Too few levels. Too hard. Too tedious interface
> (controlling one unit at a time when there is like 20 units attacking?).

I don't agree with you, it was the first game of this kind followed by many others (e.g. Command&Conquer on PC) and was a fantastic game. It has too few levels but it isn't to hard to play and I don't know what you've done but you can controll multiple units at the same time, the control is equal to all the following games of this kind.
-- EDITED -- Sorry, failure of mine, it was too long ago since I've played it, there is only a single unit controlable at the time, but nevertheless I think it is a great game (still located on my HD, maybe I will play it again the next days :-))


A disappointing game was "Foundation". Thought it is at least as good as Settlers II or III and found out it is lame and boring even on a PPC200e with plenty of memory and CV64/3D, that really stinks :-(
Back in early 1990th I was disappointed by "Kolumbus". It has a good graphic and a nice game-play, but no sound at all and the game has no goal. It simply stops after the pope blessed you three times -- what is usually at that time in the game, when it is becoming interesting (build the infrastructure and the ships required to fight against the enemies -> just started the attack, conquered two or three cities and the game is over).

Noster
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Damion on April 21, 2004, 10:07:47 AM
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Moonstone
- Thought it was excellent then. Now it really doesn't hold up to anything. Slow. Jerky
control. Jerky graphics. What was the big deal?


WHAT?? :-) Actually, Moonstone is one of the rare few amiga games which doesn't
entirely suck after all the years (IMO). I still play it once in a while.

Quote

Dune II
- Uhm. It's unplayable. Too few levels. Too hard. Too tedious interface (controlling
one unit at a time when there is like 20 units attacking?). This was a major disappointment.


I agree, although for me I could probably still rock it if it weren't for the controlling
one unit at a time bit. (On a sidenote - I can't believe I actually used to load up and
swap all 5 disks for hours playing it.)


Another amiga game which "aged well":

Superfrog - gfx, sound and "gameplay" are still exceptional for a
title of that vintage


Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: ptek on April 21, 2004, 10:52:38 AM
On the contrary !

I recently played Sensible Soccer and Lotus 2 and enjoyed a lot ! It made me think how simple and fun were the games at that time : no fussing around this the mouse + 1 dozen of keys as on current PC FPS games, just the four directions (ok, 8 combinations) and 1 fire button joystick !

How can it be simpler ?

No 3D stuff ? Great !
We must admit that a 2D environment is simpler to manage than a 3D one to the brain.

So in a good 2D game you get the same fun without so much efford ... And yes, I do need some vacations :-D

(BTW : Lotus 2 is a lot better than Lotus 3, IMHO)
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: ptek on April 21, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
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and whats all this hype about the "Great Giana Sisters"?
imho it should be the Great Giano Sisters. or however you spell bird poo in potugese/spanish.


I totally agree with you.
And " bird poo" is Portuguese is "merda de pássaro" :-D
In Spanish i'm not sure ... Portuguese and Spanish are not the same language as you know.
 
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: jonssonj on April 21, 2004, 11:21:35 AM
Have you all forgotten the Bards Tale trilogy. I have played it for hours and hours and I have drawn maps and it's the only game that I have spent several hours with from time to time. I still have those maps I think...  :) It was the greatest RPG game of that time.

FA/18 interceptor is a another game that I have played a lot. It was actually the absolutely first amiga game that I played. It came with the A500 that I bought.

And Phantasie III are also a another great game, that I still can play.

Guild of Thieves was the first game that I bought to my A500. I was going to buy a another game (I can't remember what the name was) but it was not in the store, so I bought the Guild of thieves. I think that this was the absolute best writing game that I have ever seen. You could write several sentences on the command line and the game understood every single word of it. It was just great...

:)
/Jörgen
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: restore2003 on April 21, 2004, 11:33:10 AM
I have to admit Hard`N`Heavy wasn`t quite as good now as it was before  :-(
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: rayt on April 21, 2004, 11:42:41 AM
@ Noster

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Chaos Engine  I loved this game. Played it through over and over again. Today? Well, I still like the principles of the game... but what about the lousy scrolling? Scrolling have become one of the most important parts in games...


Which version did you try out? I had slow scrolling using the cd32 whdload version on A1200/030.. but then I tried out the aga whdload version and the scrolling was perfectly smooth..
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: smace on April 21, 2004, 11:57:46 AM
A game I would LOVE to play again,is Operation Stealth. That was the ultimate adventure game to me in my boyhood. Now I can't find it anywhere *snief*

But would I have the patience anymore?

A few years back when I went to college, I came across a game on the internet that I never had played before: "D-Generation". It simply rocked and made me a open my eyes to sci-fi :)

I think Super Cars 2 is as good as it ever was.
Rainbow Island I also played a few years back, and it was just as entertaining as it was in the early days. I gave up pretty quick though :)
Lost Patrol too got me into the atmosphere, and still does. Perhaps because I to this day haven't come past the second village :ak47:

And while onto war games, two classics that haven't been mentioned here yet, and that will never die: "North And South* and *Nuclear War*.
So witty and simple. Devious games they were :)
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: bloodline on April 21, 2004, 12:11:41 PM
You remember Operation Stelth too!

I can't find hide nor hair of it.. it has simply vanished of the face of the earth. :-(
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: PMC on April 21, 2004, 12:59:33 PM
Yep, you certainly can't beat Turrican II - one of those rare games with gameplay to match the audiovisual delights.  

There are so many other compelling games out there that you have to replay again and again, despite completing many times over.  Warlords is pretty basic graphically, but the gameplay elements are spot on and I still haven't searched all the ruins / temples etc.  Aren't there sequals to Warlords doing the rounds?

As for The Chaos Engine, I'm sure the scrolling wasn't that bad.  I've the original AGA version on both disk and CD, both of which are okay.  The scrolling isn't great but it's no worse than most IIRC.

Webmaster:  How about a specialised forum dedicated to discussions on getting older games to work with WHD load/
UAE/OS4 etc?  It's an issue for people like me who run Os3.9 and P96, and it's bound to be more so in the future when Os4 makes it's appearence.

Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: darksun9210 on April 21, 2004, 01:03:16 PM
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ptek wrote:
Quote
and whats all this hype about the "Great Giana Sisters"?
imho it should be the Great Giano Sisters. or however you spell bird poo in potugese/spanish.


I totally agree with you.
And " bird poo" is Portuguese is "merda de pássaro" :-D
In Spanish i'm not sure ... Portuguese and Spanish are not the same language as you know.
 


yeah my bad  :-) i saw it in a tintin book somewhere, a ship was off loading bags of giano (or however its spelt) and tintin had to inform the captin that it was infact bags of bird droppings for fertilizer. i thought it was quite relevant for a word play, but unfortunatly my mind couldn't be so kind as to remember what language it was that the bags were labled with.

totally random i know, but hey, sorry, back to topic  :-)
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Gavilan on April 21, 2004, 01:24:30 PM
Mmmm...i guess you are referring to "The Great Guano Sisters"....
(Guano = merda do passaro?)
 :-D
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: PMC on April 21, 2004, 01:31:33 PM
Quote

Gavilan wrote:
Mmmm...i guess you are referring to "The Great Guano Sisters"....
(Guano = merda do passaro?)
 :-D


Isn't Guano specifically bat poo?

Not that I'm an authority on the subject of either poo or languages but I'm sure I heard that question when playing Trivial Pursuit way back when...
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Ilwrath on April 21, 2004, 06:07:47 PM
I didn't think the Amiga version of Street Fighter II was bad enough to rank here.  Now....  Dangerous Streets....  THAT was a seriously terrible game!  Why the heck would ANYONE think this game would help sell Amigas???  I think people would have paid more for the Magic Packs, had they left this title OUT!

Days of Thunder was indeed the worst commercial racing game on Amiga.  No doubt about it.  ;-)

The best racing, of course, is Stunt Track, with two linked Amigas.  Especially if they're lightly souped up to pick up a little extra frame rate.  (My 1200/030 was perfect for hosting the race, and a standard A1200 linked made for an exceptional combination.  Unfortunatly it seems to get unfriendly with 040 and 060 stuff, though.)

Though Indianapolis 500 deserves an honorable mention.  It's dated by modern standards, but it blazed the trail for a long line of incredible Papyrus racing titles, and still has better drive dynamics than half the modern budget titles.

As for Speedball II... I'll still defend it.  It's not quite as perfect as I remembered it, but man, it's still plenty playable, and fast, for the amount of things going on.  A good choice for a retro night.

Nuclear War and North & South are both excellent.  I'd also like to add a couple lesser known titles that have provided a few hours of amusment years later....  

Armageddon Man -- nothing like sending a letter of support to Libya in regards to their missle attack on Canada.  And the cat wagging it's tail as the display shows the bombs sailing across the continent...

Conflict! -- Who knew being an Israeli Premier could be so fun?  (Sour relations by creating an international incident)
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Legerdemain on April 21, 2004, 09:38:38 PM
@Noster on Speedball II

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You should use an Amiga to play it. It is still fantastic and full of action, whenever I meet one of my old Amiga-friends for a retro-night, we play it.


I am running it on an AMiGA... even though I find UAE becoming nicer and nicer with each release I don't like playing games on it... it doesn't really feel like playing on a real AMiGA. But like I said, I am a sucker for smooth scrolling... and unless we are talking about strategy games and the like, I can't play games with jerky scrolling. I don't know what FPS we are talking about exactly in Speedball II, but something around 7-8 FPS maybe...


@Noster on Dune II

Quote
I don't agree with you, it was the first game of this kind followed by many others (e.g. Command&Conquer on PC) and was a fantastic game. It has too few levels but it isn't to hard to play and I don't know what you've done but you can controll multiple units at the same time, the control is equal to all the following games of this kind. -- EDITED -- Sorry, failure of mine, it was too long ago since I've played it, there is only a single unit controlable at the time, but nevertheless I think it is a great game (still located on my HD, maybe I will play it again the next days)


Yes, I completely agree on that point... it became a trendsetter, oh, and not only the slightest! Without Dune II I don't think we would have seen the wave of strategy games in the veins of Warcarft, Command & Conquer, Red Alert and the like so soon. But, even though that very fact I can't play it without being bothered. Back then it was great... because there was nothing that it could be compared with, or nothing with such class... but, still... oh, well...  you know...  :lol:


@Defender of the faith on Moonstone

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WHAT?? Actually, Moonstone is one of the rare few amiga games which doesn't entirely suck after all the years (IMO). I still play it once in a while.


Well, I love the concept... and actually I like the game... but, it just feels so dated. With some updated graphics, smoother control and such, it could be the bomb... but, that won't happen that soon, I guess. But, sure, I understand how you feel...  :-)


@Rayt on Chaos Engine

Quote
Which version did you try out? I had slow scrolling using the cd32 whdload version on A1200/030.. but then I tried out the aga whdload version and the scrolling was perfectly smooth..


Well, the scrolling ain't slow... it isn't simply smooth. Instead of showing each pixel scrolling (like in Turrican II) it shows like every 4th... but, I will try out the other versions because the CD32 orignal version is the only one I've played recently.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on April 21, 2004, 11:07:41 PM
Quote

ptek wrote:

No 3D stuff ? Great !
We must admit that a 2D environment is simpler to manage than a 3D one to the brain.
How can I agree more with this.
But actually, there are a few 3d games that I really really like: Dark Forces and Thief. First person 3d (shooting, racing, etc) is bearable. The rest (where you can see the character) should be 2d.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: kevh100 on April 22, 2004, 12:19:35 AM
Hi,

Does anyone remember Legends of Valour? Mmmmm textured mapped 3D on my A500. It seemed like the game allowed you quite a bit of freedom, walking around the city into peoples houses and shops. I never really played it much but it always impressed me when I did. Maybe i should try it out on my A1200. I might be able to have the screen bigger than a postage stamp :)

Rick Dangerous 2 was another favourite of mine. I also really liked Bubble & Squeak, Tearaway Thomas and Superfrog. Games like this would be perfect for small handheld consoles, PDAs and mobile phones.

I also spent many an hour playing Floor 13, I loved the idea of being in control of a secret government agency. Dark stuff indeed!

As for racing games I found myself really liking the CD32 version of Top Gear 2.

I still play many Amiga games today, some for nostalgia, and most because they still are brilliant!

Kev
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: manicx on April 27, 2004, 02:33:35 PM
Currently I am playing to death:

-Kick Off 2 (and I will play it as long as I have an Amiga and proper joystick)

-Slamtilt (this is the best pinball game ever)

-Aracade Pool/Snooker (Small games that keep you attached in front of the Amiga)

-Worms DC (such a great laugh)

-Turrican 2 (need to say more)

I don't give a sh*t about most arcade conversions on the Amiga. Most of them look crap with a few exceptions like Rodland and Rainbow Islands...
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Skyraker on April 27, 2004, 02:47:15 PM
Datastorm.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: crown on April 27, 2004, 02:53:39 PM
Quote

As for Speedball II... I'll still defend it.  It's not quite as perfect as I remembered it, but man, it's still plenty playable, and fast, for the amount of things going on.  A good choice for a retro night.


Yes! Anybody played the release om GBA? A perfect transistion! I only play in "team manager" mode. It´s fun to yell at the incompetent players...
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: smace on April 27, 2004, 05:45:46 PM
Quote

kevh100 wrote:
Rick Dangerous 2 was another favourite of mine.


What about Ricky I?

Did anyone play Loom? What the hell was that game about??? Was it more Lucasfilm games around on the Amiga?
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Ilwrath on April 27, 2004, 07:39:13 PM
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Did anyone play Loom? What the hell was that game about???


yeah...  Actually, I finished that game back ages ago.  It wasn't bad, as simple adventure games go.  It was just kind of a happy-feel-good kinda game.  (Not nearly as much fun as say, Legend of Kyrandia...  But I thought Loom didn't deserve as much bashing as it got.)

I only remember a few things about it now, though.  
1) Watch the Loom notes when something happens.  (Write down the colors)  That way you can play them back again, and cause that to happen elsewhere.  This is key.  And sometimes you only get one chance to write down the notes.

2) The songs (note patterns) are reversable.  In other words, if a 1-2-3 progression opens something, a 3-2-1 will close it.  If 2-1-3 sparks a fire, 3-1-2 will put a fire out... Or freeze something... or do some other opposite.  

3) The songs vary from game to game.  So if you start a new game, you'll likely get different loom songs from the previous game.  This also means you can't look up loom songs on-line, as they'll likely be wrong for your particular game.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Cyberus on April 27, 2004, 10:41:24 PM
Quote

kevh100 wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone remember Legends of Valour? Mmmmm textured mapped 3D on my A500. It seemed like the game allowed you quite a bit of freedom, walking around the city into peoples houses and shops. I never really played it much but it always impressed me when I did. Maybe i should try it out on my A1200. I might be able to have the screen bigger than a postage stamp :)


Yep, I still have that somewhere, played it on my A500 for hours and hours... I really liked that at the time, but probably wouldn't merit my patience these days :(
I was under the impression that LOV was meant to be the first in trilogy or whatever, I guess the others never saw the light of day?
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Abou27 on April 27, 2004, 11:25:34 PM
Lots of replies about Speedball 2.  I must admit that playing again after all these years, there are parts of it which stink (pretty good for 1 floppy, though!).  Music is highly dubious etc.  I don't get any enjoyment out of playing it single player anymore but 2 player is still fantastic - the kind of game where punches directed towards the opponent are not uncommon - amazing tension!  And as many have said - it is an absolute essential for any retro night!
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: MAD on April 28, 2004, 03:42:26 PM
Hoya!

Wooot!!!???!
SpeedBall 2 is ALMOST perfect! Only one flaw: the fact you control the goalie when he appears on screen. You try to dodge your opponents, the goalie moves as well, the opponent throws the ball and... GOOOAALLL! Argh!

You think playing against the CPU sucks??!
Well I agree playing with a mate is best but try to play in tournament mode and reach the *first* division... THEN you will have fun :-E

SpeedBall2 for ever!!!

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: CU_AMiGA on April 28, 2004, 05:10:45 PM
Speedball 2 is the bollocks! :-)

A graphically disappointing game would have to be the original Worms, how many colours were on the screen? 16?
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: HopperJF on April 28, 2004, 07:01:03 PM
"Obliterator" was a terrible game.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: dunketh on April 28, 2004, 11:17:44 PM
I'd have to say that IMHO the best amiga game ever (and we're including Stunt Car, Superfrog and Hunter in this argument) has got to be 'Wings'

Not 'Wings of Fury' by Borderbund but 'Wings', by Cinemaware.
They're supposed to be working on a revamped version of this game but I've not heard anything about it.

Even now I can load it up and play for hours, there's just enough variation in it to keep you occupied and the graphics are still good enough not to make you cringe.
Play it on a reasonably quick Amiga and you're laughing.

Anyone who disagrees obviously hasn't played it. So there.
 :-P
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: amigakid on April 29, 2004, 02:49:19 AM
Ok i'll give my 2 cents in, i hated Artura, what a crap of a game.  superfrog and shadow of the beast rocked:)  
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: Lo on April 29, 2004, 03:38:06 AM
Well, when you finally win, its such a gratification (at least for me) I took off my hat and never played it agin :-o
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: MAD on April 29, 2004, 10:47:04 AM
Hoya!

Yeah! I do agree, Wings is a fantastic game!
The atmosphere of this game is incredible, you ARE part of the Squadron!
Anyway, Cinemaware were quite good at delivering great game.
Although I never really liked their sports games, I LOVE Rocket Ranger, It came from the desert 1&2, Wings.
Boy, that what I call GREAT games!. OK, though, I agree that in ICFTD the scrolling during your hospital escape is TERRIBLE!...

SpeedBall2 is da man!

Hey! I have an idea for a new thread! Follow me... ;-)

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: HopperJF on May 01, 2004, 09:04:51 PM
Quote

Skyraker wrote:
Datastorm.


I found that game quite fun actually!
Seriously though anyone who wants to see a BAD game, try and get hold of Obliterator.
It's awful.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: MAD on May 01, 2004, 09:40:57 PM
Hoya!

Psygnosis did, IMHO, some of the finest Amiga games BUT if you wanna see an awful game, forget Obliterator!
Just try their VERY first game on Ammy! It is called Bratacas.
Basically, it looks like a Spectrum game, with only FOUR colours! :-D
Beat this!

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: EnyGmaTiK on May 04, 2004, 03:15:18 PM
I think he means ' Guano ' that stands for Bat poo.
Title: Re: Disappointing classic Amiga games
Post by: 6 on May 07, 2004, 10:59:35 PM
Roger Rabbit - whenever you lost a game (every time), it seemed like it took ten minutes to completely reboot.  I returned it.