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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: Ni72ous on July 09, 2003, 06:29:05 PM
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Anyone know if there are any datatypes optimised for use in uae? Also is there any sort of driver that would let me get full use of my wheel mouse?
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I'm using FreeWheel for my wheel mouse, it's available on aminet.
I just use the regular 68k datatypes, I'm not sure what you mean by optimized for UAE.
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@Xand
I will try freewheel out today, the reason i ask about datatypes is i am sure i have seen some that were made for amithlon, just wanted to know if there were any for uae or if the ones for amithlon work with uae
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NitrousB wrote:
Anyone know if there are any datatypes optimised for use in uae? Also is there any sort of driver that would let me get full use of my wheel mouse?
Someone was working on a module for WinUAE that would allow x86 code to be run from inside the emulation, almost as if the Amiga had an x86 accelerator (instead of PPC) and they were going to port a few datatypes to x86 for use with this module.
Can't find any info on this anymore.
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datatypes for uae....ermm ok..
why not just use a real amiga? ...just a hint anyway.
x86 suxx...
btw maybe thoose ak datatypes is better for? , i dunno but i use warpDT's
cheers
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@Xand
Freewheel worked a treat :-) oh and the datatypes doh i found them in the Amiga.org top ten downloads it seem to be the ak datatypes that optimised for both amithlon and uae :-)
@T_Bone
I will have a look about for info on this module
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@Lempkee
why not just use a real amiga?
mine stopped working a few days ago :-( dont know why but C18A on the bottom of the mobo burn out taking the solder pads with it, also my blizzard 030/50 is dead, cant afford to replace it.
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lempkee wrote:
datatypes for uae....ermm ok..
why not just use a real amiga? ...just a hint anyway.
x86 suxx...
btw maybe thoose ak datatypes is better for? , i dunno but i use warpDT's
cheers
I would prefer not to waste the last precious hours of my, unreplaceable, real Amigas when I just want to play around. UAE is the best way to enjoy the Amiga experience without burning up the hours my aged frankenmiga has left.
x86 does not suck. UAE is much faster than my Real amiga, and it has a GFX card which my real one does not.
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@lempkee
In words more your style "x86 ownz ju!"
Or.. When was the last time Amiga was taken seriously as home computer? What architecture do you imagine about 70% of the world (probably higher now) uses as its home computer platform? Business platform? Amiga + Business.. hmmm. Some graphics people liked them..... :¬)
Nuff said, I reckon
Incidentally, the future of the "Amiga experience" is, imo, on the x86 architecture with things such as AROS, Amithlon, and even humble old (Win)UAE.
John
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Xand wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by optimized for UAE.
It's possible to call Windows DLLs from an Amiga program running on WinUAE - for example, that's how the Warp3D wrapper works. Theoretically (afaik, at least) one could have a datatype that called x86 code to do the decoding, and more generally all sorts of libraries or programs could be optimised with x86 code. Unfortunately not much has been done (even less than what was available for Amithlon - and afaik, the x86 bits aren't compatible).
I'd attempt it myself, but I currently know nothing about how to write a datatype ;)
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gaidheal: u must be on drugs..., sorry but what ever u was blabbering about made absolutely no sense what so ever to me nor my amiga.
i use my amiga everyday, i dont use any pc or mac.
and i work part time as a games developer (amiga/gba/ps2) and part time out in the northsea on a oilrig.
what ever you meant , well i dont like pc for many reasons, i had one some years ago (state of the art at that time (98-2001) when i worked as an IT-ADMIn for a network on 200 machines, i got lazy , i stopped beeing interested in computers and my amiga , i saw about 300 games and all was crap compared to how games are on ps2 etc.
sure it has great apps , but what is great apps when u cant use em without having a 400 hour course in just how to open a file? , lame...
i have been on amiga since 1985 , i have followed any plattform around...and amiga is the one i have stayed on longest and the one i love the most , i do use my ps2 for games...but i do use my amiga for games also, mainly because i like oldschool and PLAYBILITY , but sure i like games on pc like Unreal tournament ....great game...but the sequel(UT 2003) is CRAP compared to the first one , gfx means diddly #### if the game aint fun..
so unscrew that position or move away, after all this is an amiga forum.. but then again it seems there is a lot of pc people around on amiga forums, ok i guess its too commercial for them to hang in pc fourms...or just plain dull..
SORRY , but u sorta set a FLAME towards me and my people... so let the show begin.
pfffffffft
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lempkee wrote:
sure it has great apps , but what is great apps when u cant use em without having a 400 hour course in just how to open a file? , lame...
Well, I don't know if you needed a 400 hour course for that, but I and plenty of others cope fine ;)
Anyway, if we're talking about x86 PCs to run WinUAE, AROS or Amithlon, then talking about apps is irrelevant - WinUAE and Amithlon at least have the same apps that 68k Amigas have.
SORRY , but u sorta set a FLAME towards me and my people... so let the show begin.
You were the one who started off with "why not just use a real amiga? ...x86 suxx..." You may have plenty of reasons why you prefer AmigaOS to Windows, but I don't see why that should mean people like me who have their reasons for running WinUAE are wrong, or shouldn't be here.
This is an Amiga forum - and these are Amiga topics we're discussing.
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mdwh2 :
do u cope fine with that so called elegant software?? amazing..why in the world does 99% of all companies have to have classes for apps all the time then? , is it because it have so many features?? ..naaah its because of everything else. , sure thats good for people who need it all..but for people who only need a few tools within 1 prog....forget it..
irrelevant or not , its an emu discussion ..sure i use UAE also for testing stuff on my amiga, but when the discussion starts to blend out in "PLEASE MAKE US SOME REAL X86 datatypes etc" thats when emulation makes no sense and thats why i told him or all to just use a real amiga.
and that about speed, thats bullshit ..ofcourse pure 68k progs can and will fly on a 3ghz pc , if they work ..., i use uae on my miggy...i will use it on my amiga1 .., but it wont be a real CLASSIC amiga anyway..
besides i havent seen many good things done by uaE or amithlon people and thats what this is all about, just take a glance in last TOTAL AMIGA issue (15) and u will get it confirmed..
if an uae user would have been like an real amiga user then they would know what to do...
anyway i still think that you guys should focus on your wonderfull pc instead of buggering around here... but that wont happen because u all just need to use AMIGA OS and its wonderfull things as your pc would be bored if not....
eh?
wasnt the plan to flame u btw....its an message to the so called uae /amithlon scene
pps: i am pretty sure we will be flowed with 1000 of questions soon...how to get OS 4 working on x86 etc....
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lempkee wrote:
gaidheal: u must be on drugs..., sorry but what ever u was blabbering about made absolutely no sense what so ever to me nor my amiga.
i use my amiga everyday, i dont use any pc or mac.
and i work part time as a games developer (amiga/gba/ps2) and part time out in the northsea on a oilrig.
what ever you meant , well i dont like pc for many reasons, i had one some years ago (state of the art at that time (98-2001) when i worked as an IT-ADMIn for a network on 200 machines, i got lazy , i stopped beeing interested in computers and my amiga , i saw about 300 games and all was crap compared to how games are on ps2 etc.
sure it has great apps , but what is great apps when u cant use em without having a 400 hour course in just how to open a file? , lame...
i have been on amiga since 1985 , i have followed any plattform around...and amiga is the one i have stayed on longest and the one i love the most , i do use my ps2 for games...but i do use my amiga for games also, mainly because i like oldschool and PLAYBILITY , but sure i like games on pc like Unreal tournament ....great game...but the sequel(UT 2003) is CRAP compared to the first one , gfx means diddly #### if the game aint fun..
so unscrew that position or move away, after all this is an amiga forum.. but then again it seems there is a lot of pc people around on amiga forums, ok i guess its too commercial for them to hang in pc fourms...or just plain dull..
SORRY , but u sorta set a FLAME towards me and my people... so let the show begin.
pfffffffft
This is the "Amiga Emulation" forum.. what machine do you expect us to emulate an Amiga on? a C64?
No.
Only the modern PCs (and macs too) have enough power to emulate an Amiga so... guess what, you might hear the PC mentioned a lot in here!!!
Ok?
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lol ... yes ok...
i must go ask hyperion to make an uae os4 now then...
damn it seems os4 will come also...and
every lib and datatype will be x86 instead of 68k or ppc...
to the rescue....
did u know that u could actually run uae on a real amiga also? :) , or an amigaone ? ..
/flame off....
/end of discussion
/peace out
bear in mind that its not a attack on persons here, just the damn bunch who keep saying amiga is crap and in the background uses uae and amithlon till they puke because they think it rules so much..
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lempkee wrote:
mdwh2 :
do u cope fine with that so called elegant software?? amazing..why in the world does 99% of all companies have to have classes for apps all the time then?
Yes, I've never taken a class for Windows software, and I can use them. People go on these courses to quickly learn more about the more advanced features of the software. As much as I would love to believe that the reason you get classes/courses for Windows apps, but not the Amiga, is because the latter is so much easier to use, I suspect it's probably because there isn't enough commercial demand.
but when the discussion starts to blend out in "PLEASE MAKE US SOME REAL X86 datatypes etc" thats when emulation makes no sense and thats why i told him or all to just use a real amiga.
Where did anyone say this? In this thread, I saw someone asking if anyone knew of any UAE-optimised datatypes. Nothing demanding. This is in no way different to any other question about the existance of software, whether for emulated or real. I don't know if people do make demands in the manner you described - if they do, then it's no different to the "PLEASE PORT X TO THE AMIGA" type stuff which often gets posted.
but it wont be a real CLASSIC amiga anyway..
And the benefit to having this nametag is..?
besides i havent seen many good things done by uaE or amithlon people and thats what this is all about, just take a glance in last TOTAL AMIGA issue (15) and u will get it confirmed..
Depends what you mean by "good things". There is some software which is developed entirely on UAE (it's difficult to do a proper comparison - lots of authors don't really say what they use, and even if they do, trawling through the readmes on Aminet is time-consuming;)
What did the TOTAL AMIGA issue show?
if an uae user would have been like an real amiga user then they would know what to do...
How do you mean? That he should have known where to look for himself?
anyway i still think that you guys should focus on your wonderfull pc instead of buggering around here... but that wont happen because u all just need to use AMIGA OS and its wonderfull things as your pc would be bored if not....
Um yes, exactly. The fact that someone uses UAE suggests that they have a liking for AmigaOS, so if you agree, why do you then assume they don't? And why in one breath tell them to buy a real Amiga, and in the other, tell them to go away?
pps: i am pretty sure we will be flowed with 1000 of questions soon...how to get OS 4 working on x86 etc....
If we do, it'd be a sign of the popularity of OS4. But, perhaps OS4 should be cancelled, to save these forums being overrun with such questions.
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LOL LOL LOL
Drugs? I think we know which one of us was on drugs... but by way of a reasoned address to each.. err.. can I call them points?
No blabbering it was pretty plain, though possibly over your head, I'll try and keep it simple for you this time.
You don't use PC or Mac, therefore we can safely assume you know bugger all about them, right? :¬)
Sure you are a part-time games developer.. actually given the quality of most PS games, you probably are.. I take the insinuation back.
300 PC games and all crap? LOL What were doing buying up the UbiSoft back catalogue? Besides, yet to see anything much more engaging than "Hack it with your sword" or "Shoot it with your gun (if you can manage to aim at anything with the crappy interface)" on the PS or PS2 (I admit, I don't care for either, despite free access and being repeatedly encouraged to give it another go. Indeed I have been asked to develop for PS2, which is not such a bad idea but I still don't like them as a machine)
400 hours to open a file? And you want me to believe you can develop software for games companies in your spare time.. wait we covered that didn't we? PS games.. I keep forgetting.. I agree though, very 'lame'.
Everyone likes PLAYBILITY(sic!) that would be why Civ3 is one of the better selling PC games, for example. On the other hand.. the Amiga ceased to be a serious games platform by about 1995. Sorry. If you like your old games, great! I do too, Hired Guns WAS better on the Amiga than on the PC.. Frontier: Elite II was not. Graphics means even less when they are crap anyway, as they HAVE to be on the "legacy" Amigas. This is a simple reality of hardware evolution, get over it. Incidentally, projects like AROS are your best hope of ever regaining those "Glory Days" in any meaningfully "Amiga" way.
Which position would that be? LOL That you talk out of your arse as regards X86 architecture? Not likely, since it was a self evident fact. Whether it is an Amiga forum or not is irrelevant to a) whether I can hold that position b) being on the forum at all anyway. Doubly so since this is an emulation forum. There are loads of PC user on Amiga forums, this is because most "Amiga users" are users of UAE/WinUAE or Amithlon. Again, you seem a little confused about the dateline here.... too commercial? I thought you were a games developer... or is the PS/PS2 not a commerical platform these days? :¬)
I "Sorta" did no such thing.. however I await you and the rest of your 'people' at your and their leisure, homeboy! LOL
Amiga1260/66mzh
240_603e+ppc/MediatorPciA1200
Voodoo5500,Sb128,
10/100ethernet
SpiderUsb2.0
RGB_TVcard
powerflyer
128megs ram.
ETC... +
AmigaONE XE 800 G4.
^ and my system still floors it:
AMD Athlon XP 2400+
1024Gb DDR 400 RAM
40Gb ATA133 7200rpm HDD
16x DVD-ROM
52x24x52 CD-R/W
nVidia GeForce FX 5600
Gigabyte K7 Triton GA-7NNXP m/b
AOC 17" LCD monitor
So much for "x86 suxx..." oh yeah.. I can feel it sucking me in.... hellllllpppppp..... ;¬)
:quickdraw:
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@lempkee
but when the discussion starts to blend out in "PLEASE MAKE US SOME REAL X86 datatypes etc"
I never asked for x86 datatypes, someone said something about a x86 module for uae, also this was posted in the emulation section.
if an uae user would have been like an real amiga user then they would know what to do
I was a real amiga user until a few days ago :( not the most powerful amiga but an amiga, a real commodore amiga a1200, i also got a cd-32/sx-1 but psu is broke and i do know what to do, i just asked if anyone knew if there were any datatypes optimised for uae.
anyway i still think that you guys should focus on your wonderfull pc instead
Yes my pc is wonderful, it lets me do loads of things, but i too like a little nostalgia, uae, mame etc.
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classic amiga = CLASSIC HARDWARE , as in REAL hw.
a hw that can run all its designed to do without 1102245 config files etc.
about total amiga issue 15 :dunno, maybe u should subscribe ? :)
oh yes, the only few really constructive things i have seen been done in uae or amithlon is like a handfull... stuff like Total amiga , is designed on amithlon. (because his hw died)
Artkanoid was made in amithlon or uae...etc
anyway if u find it hard to send an email asking what they made it on, then its yer prob...but i like to send meails to people who make stuff and tell em if i like it or not...etc.
quote 3.
If we do, it'd be a sign of the popularity of OS4. But, perhaps OS4 should be cancelled, to save these forums being overrun with such questions.
yes lol..., i think we must...
done with this thread for now....
nothing real will ever come out of it anyway.
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oh yes, the only few really constructive things i have seen been done in uae or amithlon is like a handfull... stuff like Total amiga , is designed on amithlon. (because his hw died)
As did mine :-(
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@NitrousB:
UAE, even WinUAE works quite nicely for the most part. Certainly I have no major problems as a result of the emulation, just trouble with old corrupted files or diskettes, usually. What hardware you running now? Pity about the A1200, as I have said before, it was the only Amiga that really did have me seriously thinking about moving architecture.. pity Amiga was so badly let down by Commodore and others later. Does illustrate the benefits of "Open Architecture" though (i.e. cheap plentiful hardware, lots of innovation, large user base). A point made even within the "PC" world with MCA (Micro Channel Architecture, in case you did not know) a proprietary bus standard (IBM who also invented PS/2 but which was adopted as an open standard) that was better than those around at the time, but dead within 12 months because it required licencing to be used (VLB killed it).
John
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by Gaidheal on 2003/7/10 0:29:40
LOL LOL LOL
---> yes indeed...LOL
Drugs? I think we know which one of us was on drugs... but by way of a reasoned address to each.. err.. can I call them points?
---> well it went over the head and into the toilet really :) (i blew up...easy as that)
(bad day i guess...for me)
No blabbering it was pretty plain, though possibly over your head, I'll try and keep it simple for you this time.
--> hehe
You don't use PC or Mac, therefore we can safely assume you know bugger all about them, right? :¬)
--> well i know pLENTY , dont know what the it-admin's does in your country , but here we have to keep up with everything.
Sure you are a part-time games developer.. actually given the quality of most PS games, you probably are.. I take the insinuation back.
--> dont know what u meant here bu...
400 hours to open a file? And you want me to believe you can develop software for games companies in your spare time.. wait we covered that didn't we? PS games.. I keep forgetting.. I agree though, very 'lame'.
--> and here again, this was an example of how it all turns out in the end of the users who ACTUALLY uses this #### at work ( due to the age of people, how they use it etc..., i wasnt talking about me...)
(it was an general view, and a very REAL one)
Everyone likes PLAYBILITY(sic!) that would be why Civ3 is one of the better selling PC games, for example. On the other hand.. the Amiga ceased to be a serious games platform by about 1995. Sorry. If you like your old games, great! I do too, Hired Guns WAS better on the Amiga than on the PC.. Frontier: Elite II was not. Graphics means even less when they are crap anyway, as they HAVE to be on the "legacy" Amigas. This is a simple reality of hardware evolution, get over it. Incidentally, projects like AROS are your best hope of ever regaining those "Glory Days" in any meaningfully "Amiga" way.
--> ermmm , ok civ 3 is a good game , thats one of the few...the sims was kinda ok, but its over used and gets tedious within a few hours, but thats because i am old... maybe :) (played my head of on theme park 1 and 2 , theme hospital etc..) anyway... civ3 is nice indeed, hired guns is great (looking 4ward to hired guns 2) , elite 1 and 2 is superb games , on any plattform i guess, as gfx doesnt matter really... sure its nice if they actually move etc...but i think u know what i mean...
and about your comment "commercial" well i think u dont get what i mean, but then again thats why we argue here anyway, mainstream etc..., also i dont use my ps2 for everything..i only use that for games..., making #### for a console doesnt mean u use it....now does it? ...
but ofcourse i play games on xbox/ps2/gamecube etc, but the pc..., nope not unless its a hysterical good one.
(and that aint many if u compare em with the amount released)
^ and my system still floors it:
AMD Athlon XP 2400+
1024Gb DDR 400 RAM
40Gb ATA133 7200rpm HDD
16x DVD-ROM
52x24x52 CD-R/W
nVidia GeForce FX 5600
Gigabyte K7 Triton GA-7NNXP m/b
AOC 17" LCD monitor
So much for "x86 suxx..." oh yeah.. I can feel it sucking me in.... hellllllpppppp..... ;¬)
this floor it??? LOL! , yes by your terms maybe!
yes yes... i could have had such an machine as u also but i wouldnt have used it for what its worth or the mzh etc... why? , same reason why i dont use my amigaone atm...doesnt have amigaos on it , except for a UAE way..
sure when os4 is out i will use my amigaone everyday , but i wont mess around with classic stuff then....thats what i have my CLASSIC machine for, and no config files etc just to run a game/demo...code or what so ever..
good luck with your "floor" hardware , in 2 months it will be worth 1/10 of what its now...
and u will upgrade and think u are the king of the hill again..., but all u do is play civ3 and use UAE ...yey... really does show what a beast that pc is... ...
the end
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nitrous : sorry to hear that....
anyway it wasnt how i expected this thread to end up btw.... (by an pc vs amiga fight)
sorry about that ...
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lempkee wrote:
classic amiga = CLASSIC HARDWARE , as in REAL hw.
I know what it is, I was just asking what the inherent benefit is; otherwise, my response to "but it wont be a real CLASSIC amiga anyway" is "I don't care".
anyway if u find it hard to send an email asking what they made it on, then its yer prob...but i like to send meails to people who make stuff and tell em if i like it or not...etc.
Well you're the one making the claim that there isn't much good stuff from UAE people, so you can write the emails to find out ;) At the end of the day, it hardly matters whether more development is done on UAE or real Amigas in terms of evaluating whether or not UAE is a good thing - all that matters is that there is at least some positive output that comes from it (which there is, as you yourself have said). We don't slag off say, A3000 users, because more software is developed on A1200s than A3000s, do we.
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@lempkee:
It's not a PC vs Amiga fight.. that was settled ten years ago, pretty clear which platform won too.
I don't play Civ3 at all.. and you are right, you would not use half the power of my system, wheras I do, hence I have it.. because I really do develop software :¬) Umm.. which brings us to the nature of the forum and why I am even posting on it... I just joined the AROS team, in fact to develop the "Classic" as you put it emulation for AROS as well as for NT5 (the most popular desktop OS family by far now, not to mention extensive server use, though there are better choices, imo). By the way, I hardly use WinUAE, because there were only a couple of games on the Amiga that are/were not on the PC and are worth the time now. My interest is mostly technical. A recent lull in activity elsewhere led me to look into WinUAE and Amiga emulation again (as a friend was nagging me about setting up either a working Amiga for him, or else emulation on his PC) and I got interested enough to end up deciding to write the emulation for AROS.
What did you say it was you were managing to develop on your setup?
And yes, I do say it will floor your system.. a PII 200 will floor your system, because it is ten years old.. which is the point really isn't it? And no, it won't be worth 1/10th what I paid, in fact I only lose about 50% per 18 months, for several reasons. None of which you are likely to grasp given your posts so far, nor even need to know :¬)
However, yeah, maybe you just had a bad day.. benefit of doubt duly given.
John
P.S. Game development is shifting to consoles again: Sony beating the last bit of life out of the PS/PS2, MS pouring money into the XBox and the GameCube coming along nicely as the Nintendo back catalog and even some SEGA stuff makes onto it.. along with some of the best games of the year (BloodRayne - which I prefer on PC, Metroid Prime - truly inspired 'sequel', etc)
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Umm.. ok I realize we are seriously off topic now... heh!
So, Nitrous, have you managed to get a useful answer in the end?
John
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It's not a PC vs Amiga fight.. that was settled ten years ago, pretty clear which platform won too.
what??? someone won?? , well if someone won then it must have been pretty unoficial ..
what did they win?
where was the compo addressed?
what was the compo about?
if there is 1 compo it won...it must have been the "first one to put a turbo on a lada wins"
you are soooooo out there...
also if you think metroid prime on gc is so cool, then u should go play it instead of sitting here :) , btw metroid prime on gba is better..
on playbility terms.. , myeself...i will go play HULK for ps2 , as i just bought it today...
the consoles have ALWAYS been the place for games , amiga was a good contender but nintendo and sega always got the long run , but it was first when psx came i started to like consoles....
anyway thats tASTE nothing less , and if you dont know jackshit about amiga and what it is and how its operating (which i doubt u do since u slag it off like u do....bear in mind that its not over yet..x86 and windows had to go up against 2000 before it could barely use what the amiga had/have (bad in 94+) , also remeber that hw for amiga is still beiiing developed so yet again u shouldnt say 10 years etc..
as a last note...i was planning on looking into aros and its dev for a while...i am glad i didnt as u turned me totally OFF ... (that applies for all of us in the team)
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ok last address at you kiddo:
Yes, PC won hands down for the reasons I listed. It IS over, was ten years ago. The competition was for the home PC market, the prize was that market. "x86" architecture has it solidly, though fortunately no one single vendor (sorry IBM!) or even single OS, though flavours of "Windows" dominate.
"you are sooooooo out there...." looked in a mirror recently? Being a fanboy is pretty silly, try reality. Adding letters to a word does not make it more true. Attempting petty insults only harms your cause. End of that little "point"
Metroid Prime is very cool, however I have more things to do than play games. Some of us have lives other than on a computer and even those of us who are on computers a lot do more than play games (well some of us anyway!) BTW Metroid Prime is not ON the GBA. Perhaps you meant Metroid Fusion? And the playability of Metroid Prime is pretty much beyond dispute, not a Sony fanboy too are we?
Consoles have not always dominated games.. in fact until recently PC dominated games, but consoles have come back with a vengeance for a whole host of reasons and now the PC games market is actually shrinking. Amiga was pretty good for games too, in its time, in certain markets.
If I did not know jackshit about Amiga, I would not be here and considering writing an emulator for the legacy Amiga models. Incidentally, I could actually build one, with the necessary components and access to the board fabrication tools. So, yeah, I reckon I probably know enough. Despite never having seriously used them.
"..x86 and windows had to go up against 2000 before it could barely use what the amiga had/have (bad in 94+) " <- what exactly are you trying to say here, since it makes no sense... on seconds thoughts, don't bother, it's obviously nonsense.
Amiga development ended long ago. Several new companies are developing technology aimed at former Amiga users and those who still use old Amigas. Other than that it is purely maintenance of old technology and the occasional hardware add-on. Sorry.
Whether you look into AROS or not is of no concern to me, and if you feel the need to not bother because your attempt at a "flame war" got YOU burnt instead then probably, imo, they are better off without you. However, that is not my call to make and I honestly care not one way or the other. Open Source means anyone who is able to and motivated to can contribute.. however, I feel bound to seriously ask what exactly it was you and your "team" were going to contribute? And who exactly they are that you can claim to speak for them as a unit.. indeed, bluntly I calling you on the likelihood of such a team even existing. But again, I don't actually consider it that important. I think you are childish poser/fanboy who is not used to having his "flames" backfire. I could be wrong, but I won't lose sleep either way. So, if you are "totally OFF" AROS and its development and presumably have nothing to offer to the emulation scene, why don't YOU actually leave the forum, rather than the mythical "Amithlon crowd" you claimed to be addressing?
John
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@Lempkee
nitrous : sorry to hear that
Thats ok mate, hopefully i will be able to get another amiga soon.
@Gaidheal
Nitrous, have you managed to get a useful answer in the end?
Yes i managed to find datatypes i wanted, now i wonder how well octamed works on uae.
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as a last note...i was planning on looking into aros and its dev for a while...i am glad i didnt as u turned me totally OFF ... (that applies for all of us in the team)
Were you? Really? Be honest now :-)
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yes :-D