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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: ikaruga on December 31, 2009, 10:25:30 AM
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Hi all,
As I'm studying game development in 2010, I plan to program a (free) remake of some popular Amiga flight sim. In my experience as Amiga user, I think the most popular one was F-18 Interceptor, also helped by the fact it came in the bundle with many A500s sold. Am I right? :)
And I wish a great 2010 for all!
--ika
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Tfx
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F/A-18 interceptor. I still play it in UAE sometimes :)
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Yup, F/A18 Interceptor was probably the best known and also one of the best to play - full stop!
The 'feel' was spot-on. It might not have been the most technically accurate (but most of those type of sims can be yawn-inducing), but it was the most playable by far.
I think TFX was the most up to date sim, but since it needed a pretty powerful system to be any good, I doubt it was very popular and it wasn't released until the late 1990s (from memory!)
Mike.
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F15 Strike Eagle
F16 Combat Pilot
F19 Interceptor
God I miss MicroProse
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You just don't get games like these anymore do you? I bought an XBox360 and I expected there to be a whole load of really cool flight simulator games for it, but to date I have not found even one!
These modern games that come out have absolutely breathtaking graphics and some of them also have good gameplay, but there is definitely something missing from today's games as well. You just don't get games like the ones we used to!
I'd like to see modern versions of games like Gunship, F/A18 Interceptor, Frontier Elite, Cannon Fodder, and even some adventure games - you don't get decent versions of those these days either.
Maybe this is something the Amiga platform could rectify, given the right resources!!!
That said, the Amiga was always more a creative machine than a gaming machine for me.
Remember when computing was fun?
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most popular for me was f15 strike eagle II. a wonderful game that's easy to get into. of the later games, coala and tfx are ofcourse excellent.
@ikaruga: you didnt state on what platform you are programming your remake. if its amiga, consider porting some flightsim that was never released on amiga instead :)
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"Most popular" translates into "stuff runable at stock A500".
F/A-18 Interceptor is second to none.
Anyone arguing on that must be joking.
Or have a severe neural issue.
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I think Reach For The Skies is one of the best Amiga flightsims....realistic aerodynamics/feel too. The pc version was awfull though. Another realistic one was AV8B Harrier Assault....superb flight model as well, and lot's of fun flying through heaps of flak, and it had a really good campaign....highly underrated in my opinion....and as for running it on an A500 it was definitely a no go! Needs 030/50 minimum to be playable.
I thought Gunship2000 was superb also, along with CAP.
Can anyone remake Indy500 please or patch it? I think it must use the blitter for the graphics because it still has a poor framerate regardless of the power of the cpu.
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wings!
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Falcon was far and away a better game, but F-18 Interceptor was the most popular.
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F18 interceptor is probably the most known...
then F29 retaliator, fighter bomber and Falcon.
for chopper, it is probably Gunship then thunderhawk.
the others, specially from microprose are IMHO less known (F15 strike eagle, F-19 stealth bomber, combat air patrol (this one from psygnosis AFAIR))
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I agree, liked F-18 but the numer of "wasted" hours on Gunship....
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I'd like to see modern versions of games like Gunship, F/A18 Interceptor, Frontier Elite, Cannon Fodder, and even some adventure games - you don't get decent versions of those these days either.
Maybe this is something the Amiga platform could rectify, given the right resources!!!
That said, the Amiga was always more a creative machine than a gaming machine for me.
Remember when computing was fun?
Have you got the new version of Monkey Island from Xbox live? Amazing! Le Chuck's Revenge is due in the new year too.
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You just don't get games like these anymore do you? I bought an XBox360 and I expected there to be a whole load of really cool flight simulator games for it, but to date I have not found even one!
Look up Stormavic and Ace combat. The Ace Combat stick is the way to go too...
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Thanks for all the replies, people! :)
As a flight sim buff I've bought and played many flight sims in the Amiga during the early 90s.
F18 Interceptor was very playable and had a good 'feeling', I think it's very well remembered. Had also only 5 simple missions which should be not that hard to develop... The biggest challenge will be to model the terrain of the San Francisco Bay Area.
By the way, in 1997 through 1999 I've worked in an Amiga Space Sim project as graphic artist, it had the working title "Lambda Sector" and at one point we almost got a deal with a famous (at the time) Amiga games publisher. It was looking mightly impressive, a Wing Commander clone but with full 3D graphics and effects that looked like Playstation's Colony Wars or PC's Independence War Edge of Chaos titles. I got some alpha 060/AGA versions in my Amiga but a PPC/gfx card version was also programmed. The project died when the lead programmer departed, to work in Futuremark, makers of the 3D Mark benchmark software (and now a space-themed game called Shattered Horizon). Lambda's website is still online after 10 years: http://www.illuvatar.demon.co.uk/lambda/vision/LScan.html
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A-10 and I believe AH-64 Apache
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Thanks for all the replies, people! :)
As a flight sim buff I've bought and played many flight sims in the Amiga during the early 90s.
F18 Interceptor was very playable and had a good 'feeling', I think it's very well remembered. Had also only 5 simple missions which should be not that hard to develop... The biggest challenge will be to model the terrain of the San Francisco Bay Area.
By the way, in 1997 through 1999 I've worked in an Amiga Space Sim project as graphic artist, it had the working title "Lambda Sector" and at one point we almost got a deal with a famous (at the time) Amiga games publisher. It was looking mightly impressive, a Wing Commander clone but with full 3D graphics and effects that looked like Playstation's Colony Wars or PC's Independence War Edge of Chaos titles. I got some alpha 060/AGA versions in my Amiga but a PPC/gfx card version was also programmed. The project died when the lead programmer departed, to work in Futuremark, makers of the 3D Mark benchmark software (and now a space-themed game called Shattered Horizon). Lambda's website is still online after 10 years: http://www.illuvatar.demon.co.uk/lambda/vision/LScan.html
Man. 12 years back. That was only 3 years after I sold off my Amiga but I recall seeing Lambda Sector and thinking "If they get this together it'd be worth buying an Amiga to run!"
Any chance it'd see the light of day?
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Man. 12 years back. That was only 3 years after I sold off my Amiga but I recall seeing Lambda Sector and thinking "If they get this together it'd be worth buying an Amiga to run!"
Any chance it'd see the light of day?
Hi B00tDisk!
I'm still actively engaged in indie game development, and so this is not impossible, if there's a demand...although space sims are rare nowadays... except for massively multiplayer ones (Eve Online, and upcoming Star Trek Online). This reminds me that I started making a couple of spaceship models for Explorer 2260, anyone know what happened with that project? There's a site frozen in time one decade ago here: http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetEFoE/explorer/main.html
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Wings is on of the best games ever
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wings!
Yes, wings is one of the best games ever..
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Almost forgot...a grasp of hardcore later implemented in Falcon 3.0/4.0
F-16 Combat Pilot by Digital Integration
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I always liked Birds of prey (http://hol.abime.net/121), though wished it had a null/dial-modem linkup. Perhaps something like that with TCP multiplayer support? Air Warrior (http://hol.abime.net/3218) comes to mind, too..
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Hi B00tDisk!
I'm still actively engaged in indie game development, and so this is not impossible, if there's a demand...although space sims are rare nowadays... except for massively multiplayer ones (Eve Online, and upcoming Star Trek Online). This reminds me that I started making a couple of spaceship models for Explorer 2260, anyone know what happened with that project? There's a site frozen in time one decade ago here: http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetEFoE/explorer/main.html
Those screenshots on the Lambda site look amazing. If it were to be completed I know that I'd buy it. I'm a sucker for space sims.:)
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Hi all,
As I'm studying game development in 2010, I plan to program a (free) remake of some popular Amiga flight sim. In my experience as Amiga user, I think the most popular one was F-18 Interceptor, also helped by the fact it came in the bundle with many A500s sold. Am I right? :)
And I wish a great 2010 for all!
--ika
It is not clear to me whether you intent to program a remake for the Amiga or another platform. Could you elaborate.
As a side note, "most well-know" doesn't mean best at any case!
The most realistic flight simulator (since flight simulation is all about... simulating the flight dynamics of a plane) that you can get on Amiga is Birds of prey amd it is my favourite. JetPilot looks technically advanced too. Air warrior is also realistic but iirc, there are no missions etc, in single player mode.
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@EgillSkallagrimsson
I remember Lambda too, it will be missed.
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I still have the Lambda demo on my hard drive. What a great space engine! Amazing graphics and works on a variety of Amiga hardware. I would rather see Lambda completed than a flight sim.
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Oh yeah, if you can remake F-18 Interceptor with more missions than the original limited ones, then you would have a sure fire seller.
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I remember F/A18 as well, but I was thinking of Sublogic's flight simulator. Sort of the great granpappy of Microsoft's Flight Simulator 98, or whatever the current incarnation may be.
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It is not clear to me whether you intent to program a remake for the Amiga or another platform. Could you elaborate.
Portability will be possible and desired, but initially x86/Mac/iPhone using a cool free development kit called Unity3D. It would be great if something like that existed for Amiga (a game engine with usability comparable to a good authoring software).
As a side note, "most well-know" doesn't mean best at any case!
The most realistic flight simulator (since flight simulation is all about... simulating the flight dynamics of a plane) that you can get on Amiga is Birds of prey amd it is my favourite. JetPilot looks technically advanced too. Air warrior is also realistic but iirc, there are no missions etc, in single player mode.
That was deep, indeed Birds of Prey was good and comprehensive, 40 planes, neat campaign and missions. And Jet Pilot is extremely hardcore, with interesting airplanes from the 60's.
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Portability will be possible and desired, but initially x86/Mac/iPhone using a cool free development kit called Unity3D. It would be great if something like that existed for Amiga (a game engine with usability comparable to a good authoring software).
Unfortunately porting Unity3D to the next-gen Amigas would require a source-code license for Unity which would probably cost more than the professional license at $1499 USD not to mention it would need better graphics drivers than any non-next-gen system has. :(
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Unfortunately porting Unity3D to the next-gen Amigas would require a source-code license for Unity which would probably cost more than the professional license at $1499 USD not to mention it would need better graphics drivers than any non-next-gen system has. :(
Yup, but maybe a simpler way would be just to generate exes that are Amiga-compatible (not needing to port the Unity3D editors and all that). Also, things change, for example, some time ago the Unreal engine costed hundreds of thousands, now its free (for non-commercial development, but my one is non-commercial anyway).
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Tornado was also quite realistic.
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I have fond memories of Fighter Bomber, but dunno why! :)
Oh, btw: LAMBDA SECTOR!!! I drooled on the demo quite a bit! Now THAT would be a nice (space) flight sim! ;)
I hope you seriously consider picking it up again sooner or later... :)
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I always liked Birds of prey (http://hol.abime.net/121), though wished it had a null/dial-modem linkup. Perhaps something like that with TCP multiplayer support? Air Warrior (http://hol.abime.net/3218) comes to mind, too..
Ooh yeah, I LOVED Birds of Prey. Had an analogue joystick to use it and once you turned off the "easy" mode that was on by default it was a fantastic game to play, and sometimes quite unforgiving. Coupled with being able to fly something like 30 or 40 planes (albeit with the same cockpit graphics) and even a chapter in the manual about the physics of flight, I reckon it was one of the most detailed from a flying point of view and for me at least, about the right level of realism.
The terrain was a little bit lacking however...
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I'd say the Falcon series. One of my favorites. I also enjoyed Their Finest Hour: Battle of Britain, F-117A Stealth Fighter and the obvious, Gunship. Played it since the C=64 days. One title that I own, but haven't been able to get to run is Mega Fortress.
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I have fond memories of Fighter Bomber, but dunno why! :)
Ditto! Must be that funky intro with the rock music :)
Also 110% agree with F/A-18 Interceptor. Intro music gave it a topgun feel. haha and those carrier landings!! whao!
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Most popular would probably have had to have been Interceptor, but my personal favorite was Gunship2000, although I was never a big flight sin guy so didnt play many. Having said this though this thread has gotten me in the mood to play a flight sim. Does anyone know of any 68k flight sims that use rtg please ? Im an amithlon guy so have no chipset emulation. I can use 68k euae on os3.9 if need be, but Id prefer to avoid it if possible.
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Man, flight sim 2 by sub logic. wtf. Rocked that mess on my a1k back in like '88.
'88, I'm feeling old. Hahah! Not as old as some of y'all! Born in '80!
Good times!
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There was also one called jetpilot. I have only barely tested it since my amiga was too slow for it.
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There was also one called jetpilot. I have only barely tested it since my amiga was too slow for it.
Every Amiga is; it runs decently on UAE.
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Interceptor is a classic but I liked Combat Air Patrol better as a game.
Does Wings count? :)
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Jet Pilot, well known for two things; being insanely realistic (90% plus of the real thing) AND for being insanely sluggish unless you have an 040 or 060...
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Jet Pilot, well known for two things; being insanely realistic (90% plus of the real thing) AND for being insanely sluggish unless you have an 040 or 060...
Even with 060 it did between 4 and 12 fps...
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Combat Air Patrol was awesome, after you released the bomb, you could pilot it straight on to the bulls eye, eg down a chimney stack!
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All I ever really played on the Amiga was flight sims.
Wings
Knights of The Sky
F19 Stealth Fighter
F117-a Nighthawk
Gunship
Gunship 2000
B17 Flying Fortress
F15 Strike Eagle II
Their Finest Hour
Reach For The Skies
I had lots more than this, but these were my favorites.
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I used to enjoy F19 Stealth Fighter too - if that could be recoded to work on an A1200 with an 030 accelerator (no need for any fancier graphics) - I'd buy it!
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Knights of the Sky, I used to love that game, also you could play it over a null modem serial cable!!!! Absolutely fantastic fun.
Everyone's right about the lack of flight sims for consoles. I think Ace Combat survives and gets sequels because it seems to have the console market too itself
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Nobody here mentions ProFlight, released through HiSoft. I believe it was one of the most realistic Tornado flight sims on any platform of the day.
That also made it very hard even taking off with the thing.
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Does anyone else just see alternating light and dark grey lines?
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It's more of a strategy game than a flight simulator, but Armour Geddon II rocked! :biglaugh:
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F18 Interceptor was probably the best-known, but for my money Falcon was the better sim hands down. Two expansion disks, head to head (null modem or dialup) play...it was just great.
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It's more of a strategy game than a flight simulator, but Armour Geddon II rocked! :biglaugh:
Armour Geddon I / II were both brilliant, I wish Psygnosis (now SCE Studio Liverpool) would ressurrect that one. Yet another title that you could play with NULL modem serial cable.
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Armour Geddon I / II were both brilliant, I wish Psygnosis (now SCE Studio Liverpool) would ressurrect that one. Yet another title that you could play with NULL modem serial cable.
I have fond memories playing Knights of the Sky, Armour Geddon I and Falcon AT over null modem cable with my step dad (rip). Great days!:)
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Wahahahahah!
SKYCHASE!!!!!!!!!
No, seriously, i loved F-18 back in time, later TFX and JetPilot, but they were quite slow on a 030 /50...
Wings was AWESOME as all Cinemaware games, not really a simulator itself, but a kind of crossover.
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I think F-19 Stealth Fighter was the best modern flight sim on the Amiga.
Birds of the Prey was great too,but the low frame rate made it quite painful to play on a normal A500.
But my personal favourite was a futuristic flight sim called "Embryo".
It was made by Beyond Arts and published by Black Legend.
Though it was more like a shoot'em up than a flight sim.