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Title: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 03, 2014, 03:49:56 AM
Does anyone know if Amithlon can be obtained anymore.
I see that there are places on the web that say that one could download it.
I would like to find a good place to get it.
Unfortunately, I am low on the funds.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: ferrellsl on September 03, 2014, 05:56:54 AM
The torrent is still available on the bay
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 03, 2014, 06:15:27 AM
thanks
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: haywirepc on September 03, 2014, 06:24:41 AM
Someone should publish an updated guide for what hardware to use so it works good without too much hair pulling...

I always wanted an amithlon machine but I tried a few times and it worked like %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! or not at all most pc's I tried it on.

With AROS, if you have a supported video card, sound card and network card it works nice out of the box. Would be nice to know what vid, network and sound card you should get on ebay to give this a real go without major problems.

Anyone want to post their hw here if you have a successfully running amithlon machine? Please do!
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 03, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
Amithlon working fine on an Asus AN8-SLI mobo, 7800 GTX PCIe.  AMD X2 4200+ CPU, 2 GB DDR - 4 x 512 MB.  500 watt Antec PSU.

SATA can be a bugger with Amithlon, but not having any issues with this combo with SATA hd's.  500 GB SATA HD, and an IDE CR-RW.  SATA optical drives were a bit on and off, so just used the onboard IDE with no issues.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: som99 on September 03, 2014, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: Duce;772269
Amithlon working fine on an Asus AN8-SLI mobo, 7800 GTX PCIe.  AMD X2 4200+ CPU, 2 GB DDR - 4 x 512 MB.  500 watt Antec PSU.

SATA can be a bugger with Amithlon, but not having any issues with this combo with SATA hd's.  500 GB SATA HD, and an IDE CR-RW.  SATA optical drives were a bit on and off, so just used the onboard IDE with no issues.

I have near the same parts in my FreeBSD pfSense machine, but the Asus AN8-SLI prmium board with a AMD X2 4800+ CPU and 4GB of ram, if your setup works mine should to (I think I have a 7800 GTX lying around somewhere).

So thanks, might merge my FreeBSD machine over to one of my LGA 775 boards laying around gathering dust instead! So I can give Amithlon a try (have never tried it) :D
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Themamboman on September 03, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
If you want it to run on a laptop, the Dell C610 (the higher spec version) is great.

See my posting here.  Also, the Dell logo was the perfect size to be replaced by an Amiga Boing sticker logo.


http://amigafun.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/how-to-make-an-amithlon-laptop/
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: TheMagicM on September 03, 2014, 07:54:05 PM
How well does Amithlon run?  Does all old Amiga software/games work?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 03, 2014, 08:01:16 PM
Hardware so far.
1.Asus AN8-SLI mobo, 7800 GTX PCIe. AMD X2 4200+ CPU, 2 GB DDR - 4 x 512 MB. 500 watt Antec PSU.
2. Dell C610
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Rob on September 03, 2014, 10:42:26 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;772283
How well does Amithlon run?  Does all old Amiga software/games work?


It's incredibly fast which is great for 3D rendering and image processing.  Most system friendly software works although there will be some exceptions.
For software that hits the hardware you'll need UAE.  Back when I First tried it on 750Mhz Athlon I tried an OCS/ECS version of UAE 68k the games I tried ran perfectly.  You can get 68k builds of E-UAE now AGA support.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 04, 2014, 12:12:14 AM
Amithlon runs just great.  It's staggeringly fast.  Obviously any code that hits hardware is going to have some burps, but that's to be expected.  I've got absolutely no gripes about Amithlon - actually, I find it a crying shame that development petered away on it, it's terrific.  Not terribly easy to set up, but once it works, it's just mind-blowing.

I've had friends pop by and use this machine, only to have them tell me "that's the fastest A1200T I've ever used, WOW!".  I've got the machine in an old generic mid tower case that doesn't look much different than your run of the mill A1200 tower conversion case, heh.  For the full effect I really should use an original Amiga keyboard and mouse, I suppose.

Even the guys that turn up their noses at commodity hardware and emulation do a double take when I pop the side panel off and they see x86 HW in there  :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Ancalimon on September 04, 2014, 01:00:59 AM
I used Amithlon for a long time after my A4000T stopped working. I actually found a Celeron PC in a trash (they threw it away saying it was not working and it turned out that the cdrom was faulty) and took it just to run Amithlon. :)

It was very fast but not very compatible.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: hishamk on September 04, 2014, 06:35:06 AM
Does Amithlon still have a speed advantage compared to UAE?

Wouldn't UAE running on a modern i7 setup be faster than Amithlon running on the fastest compatible setup (I'm assuming Amithlon does not work on i7 - but I may be mistaken)?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: som99 on September 04, 2014, 07:37:48 AM
Quote from: hishamk;772307
Does Amithlon still have a speed advantage compared to UAE?

Wouldn't UAE running on a modern i7 setup be faster than Amithlon running on the fastest compatible setup (I'm assuming Amithlon does not work on i7 - but I may be mistaken)?

I don't really know how to bench a emulated environment in the best way, but it's pretty god damn fast :)

This is a freshly installed 3.9 on WinUAE/040/JIT/AGA on a fast machine using AIBB and also a test with Phoenix demo:

(http://www.som99.se/miggy/amiga-dhry.png)
(http://www.som99.se/miggy/amiga-mem.png)
Phoenix demo:
(http://www.som99.se/miggy/phoenix.png)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on September 04, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
Once the Amiga part is going, I don't really care what hardware it is running on.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: som99 on September 04, 2014, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;772331
Once the Amiga part is going, I don't really care what hardware it is running on.

That's fine, some do some don't.

I run both classic hardware and other OS/Software/hardware solutions, mainly as a hobby and it's something I enjoy, truth be told I spend more time on classic hardware but I still try/use most other things.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 05, 2014, 11:53:13 PM
Ok, can someone tell me if Aros 68k will be able to work with Amithlon.
I understand that Amithlon had a special version of Amiga OS.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nyteschayde on September 06, 2014, 05:18:20 AM
I have a nice little amithlon system that is dated but runs it quite nicely. The only disadvantage is that when I insert any more than 1GB of RAM into the machine it fails to boot Amithlon.

I *really* like Amithlon. It somehow feels like a more stable and more of a true Amiga than AROS or when compared to other types of emulation. Something about it is really nice.

Honestly I doubt people will do it because the Amiga community IP owners are all a bit childish about their projects even long after they've stopped earning income, but open sourcing Amithlon would be such an awesome step forward.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Methuselas on September 06, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Quote from: nyteschayde;772405
I have a nice little amithlon system that is dated but runs it quite nicely. The only disadvantage is that when I insert any more than 1GB of RAM into the machine it fails to boot Amithlon.

I *really* like Amithlon. It somehow feels like a more stable and more of a true Amiga than AROS or when compared to other types of emulation. Something about it is really nice.

Honestly I doubt people will do it because the Amiga community IP owners are all a bit childish about their projects even long after they've stopped earning income, but open sourcing Amithlon would be such an awesome step forward.

Make sure you guys get the updated kernels, which offer more ram (up to 3 gigs, if I remember correctly.) and newer drivers. I can dig up the links, if you need them. Keep in mind, though, that the newer drivers don't allow you to make bootable CDs.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: kolla on September 06, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
A thing worth looking into is reimplementing Amithlon only with AROS/m68k, like AROS hosted, only with a m68k emulation layer. Arosthlon? :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on September 06, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
There is a commercial version of AROS in the works. Why not wait for that before doing something with AROS68k?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Tenacious on September 06, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;772421
Make sure you guys get the updated kernels, which offer more ram (up to 3 gigs, if I remember correctly.) and newer drivers. I can dig up the links, if you need them. Keep in mind, though, that the newer drivers don't allow you to make bootable CDs.


Are the updated kernels easily found in an obvious place?  

I thought there were a few, or maybe just 1, web pages that tied all of the latest updates together for folks who still want to try Amithlon.

It can't hurt to share what you have. :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: OlafS3 on September 06, 2014, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;772438
There is a commercial version of AROS in the works. Why not wait for that before doing something with AROS68k?


Just a short question from me. On Aros 68k I can integrate almost every amiga library and they work because it runs in some sort of UAE or real hardware. Amithlon can only use special libraries that are reimplementing the 68k libraries or can you mix both Amithlon and 68k libraries like on AmigaOS/MorphOS or Aros 68k?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nicholas on September 07, 2014, 12:57:59 AM
Quote from: OlafS3;772470
Just a short question from me. On Aros 68k I can integrate almost every amiga library and they work because it runs in some sort of UAE or real hardware. Amithlon can only use special libraries that are reimplementing the 68k libraries or can you mix both Amithlon and 68k libraries like on AmigaOS/MorphOS or Aros 68k?

You can mix and match.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 07, 2014, 01:58:00 AM
Does it sound possible even without getting some permissions?
edit:
It would be cool if the commercial side was either open sourced or licensed .
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: kolla on September 07, 2014, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;772438
There is a commercial version of AROS in the works. Why not wait for that before doing something with AROS68k?


What do you mean "commercial version of AROS"? A commercial distro of AROS?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 07, 2014, 05:47:47 AM
+1
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Rob on September 07, 2014, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: kolla;772487
What do you mean "commercial version of AROS"? A commercial distro of AROS?


I think he means ARIX.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: OlafS3 on September 07, 2014, 10:47:46 AM
Quote from: Rob;772492
I think he means ARIX.


ARIX is not Amithlon except they would implement something like that exists on AmigaOS or MorphOS on X86
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on September 07, 2014, 12:11:12 PM
No recent news on ARIX. They might be hush hush because they are going to sell it. Can anyone give us an update?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 07, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
What does AROS have anything to do with Amithlon?  Not trying to be snarky, but I'll be damned if I can even begin to understand why you'd want to run AROS 68k under an Amithlon type environment when Amithlon and 3.9 work absolutely flawlessly.  An afternoon putting together old hardware and skimming EAB for the latest Amithlon info and you'll have the best Amiga you ever owned for $50.

Perhaps I am failing to see the purpose of AROS 68k at all.  What does it bring to the table that WB 3.x doesn't?  I've tried it 100 times over in AF and UAE, and it still seems like re-inventing the wheel and it's a terrible experience, imo.  

I can grab AmiKit, AF, Amithlon and a 3.5 or 3.9 CD and be up and running a modern 68k based Amiga system on commodity hardware in mere minutes.  Literally.

Baffles me why AROS 68k is so fawned over.  I'm as much of an open source dreamer as the rest, but the idea of AROS 68k + Amithlon or even running AROS 68k on legacy HW makes little sense to me.  Seems like a solution in search of a problem, but then again, WB 3+ has always worked just great for me.  I never lost sleep over not having the source code for it.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Fransexy_ on September 07, 2014, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: Duce;772498
What does AROS have anything to do with Amithlon?  Not trying to be snarky, but I'll be damned if I can even begin to understand why you'd want to run AROS 68k under an Amithlon type environment when Amithlon and 3.9 work absolutely flawlessly.  An afternoon putting together old hardware and skimming EAB for the latest Amithlon info and you'll have the best Amiga you ever owned for $50.

Perhaps I am failing to see the purpose of AROS 68k at all.  What does it bring to the table that WB 3.x doesn't?  I've tried it 100 times over in AF and UAE, and it still seems like re-inventing the wheel and it's a terrible experience, imo.  

I can grab AmiKit, AF, Amithlon and a 3.5 or 3.9 CD and be up and running a modern 68k based Amiga system on commodity hardware in mere minutes.  Literally.

Baffles me why AROS 68k is so fawned over.  I'm as much of an open source dreamer as the rest, but the idea of AROS 68k + Amithlon or even running AROS 68k on legacy HW makes little sense to me.  Seems like a solution in search of a problem, but then again, WB 3+ has always worked just great for me.  I never lost sleep over not having the source code for it.


Avoid legal and copyright issues
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on September 07, 2014, 03:06:22 PM
I like it. It is a logical step for high end classic systems. Plus it will be a single install, no need to bother with a lot of patches/updates.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 08, 2014, 12:35:35 AM
@ Duce
I believe Amithlon uses a Special Version OS3.9.
Also, It can not be purchased anymore.
The reason for Aros 68K is that if applied to Amithlon it can be made available again.
Sincerely.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: haywirepc on September 08, 2014, 07:36:21 AM
Allright, someone post links to ISO's for amithlon already.

I have some spare pc's I'll give it a try again...

I tried to get an amithlon pc going 2 or 3 times. Always had some issues (Video didn't go past 640x480, or sound didn't work, or didn't see the net card)

Most people who actually got it going love it...
I suppose getting it going is the hard part.

Me? I throw hardware at stuff if posible instead of pulling out hair fighting with it. Its just easier.

As in AROS, just use a supported net, video and sound card (60$ total on ebay)and most problems are solved.

But for awhile now, I have asked, what network card, what video card and what sound card are best for getting amithlon running without too many headaches? If I can get old pci cards cheap on ebay I'd rather do that and
have less hair pulling and headaches.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: OlafS3 on September 08, 2014, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: Duce;772498
What does AROS have anything to do with Amithlon?  Not trying to be snarky, but I'll be damned if I can even begin to understand why you'd want to run AROS 68k under an Amithlon type environment when Amithlon and 3.9 work absolutely flawlessly.  An afternoon putting together old hardware and skimming EAB for the latest Amithlon info and you'll have the best Amiga you ever owned for $50.

Perhaps I am failing to see the purpose of AROS 68k at all.  What does it bring to the table that WB 3.x doesn't?  I've tried it 100 times over in AF and UAE, and it still seems like re-inventing the wheel and it's a terrible experience, imo.  

I can grab AmiKit, AF, Amithlon and a 3.5 or 3.9 CD and be up and running a modern 68k based Amiga system on commodity hardware in mere minutes.  Literally.

Baffles me why AROS 68k is so fawned over.  I'm as much of an open source dreamer as the rest, but the idea of AROS 68k + Amithlon or even running AROS 68k on legacy HW makes little sense to me.  Seems like a solution in search of a problem, but then again, WB 3+ has always worked just great for me.  I never lost sleep over not having the source code for it.

And I struggle to understand user like you... but I give up with it

I will continue with my distribution based on emulation and not recommend anyone to invest time to optimize it for legacy hardware because it seems there is not much interest and noone interested to invest in it (f.e. by doing testing and logging errors). Regarding FPGA (Apollo) I got mixed signals so I have dropped any work from my side in that direction and will concentrate on what I have but if people in future moan that AmigaOS is not in development anymore and how unjust world is and what might have happened if this or that would have happened I will remind them on their reactions and actions (or better no actions). In my view people not contributing have lost the right to moan.

"Perhaps I am failing to see the purpose of AROS 68k at all. What does it bring to the table that WB 3.x doesn't? I've tried it 100 times over in AF and UAE, and it still seems like re-inventing the wheel and it's a terrible experience, imo."

BTW thank you very much for the flowers...
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nicholas on September 08, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: trekiej;772485
Does it sound possible even without getting some permissions?
edit:
It would be cool if the commercial side was either open sourced or licensed .

There are legal issues with Amithlon that will never be resolved sadly. It's successor "Umilator" has no such legal issues but Bernd destroyed all the source code for it including backups. :(
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 08, 2014, 12:36:30 PM
Was a good EAB thread on Amithlon, for those asking me via PM for info.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 08, 2014, 02:52:50 PM
@Nicholas
I wish I could remember what commercial software that was argued over.
I think one thing was a color wheel.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nicholas on September 08, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Quote from: trekiej;772567
@Nicholas
I wish I could remember what commercial software that was argued over.
I think one thing was a color wheel.


Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: som99 on September 08, 2014, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;772550
Allright, someone post links to ISO's for amithlon already.


Here you go amithlon and updates from my file server:

http://www.som99.se/Amithlon/
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 08, 2014, 04:38:08 PM
@Nicholas
I see. It makes me wonder if anyone (Amiga Inc, H and P , etc.)talked to each other in the first place.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: bloodline on September 08, 2014, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: nicholas;772556
There are legal issues with Amithlon that will never be resolved sadly. It's successor "Umilator" has no such legal issues but Bernd destroyed all the source code for it including backups. :(
I don't know he took such drastic action... Shame.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Havie on September 08, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
Anyone tell me how to install this on a 'blank' hard disk - have an old laptop floating around tha has Icaros Desktop but would like to try.  Live CD boots ok - not sure if I can change graphics mode becuase it's a Live CD or hardware issues.  Wouold love an Amiga laptop but don't want something that boots into Windows first - just straight to workbench please...
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 09, 2014, 02:46:26 AM
The above iso works on my ZV5000 hp laptop.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Methuselas on September 09, 2014, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: Tenacious;772467
Are the updated kernels easily found in an obvious place?  

I thought there were a few, or maybe just 1, web pages that tied all of the latest updates together for folks who still want to try Amithlon.

It can't hurt to share what you have. :)

Kernel 4 is here, along with new drivers:

http://www.hd-zone.com/amithlon/


Kernel 3.10 and below are here:

http://web.onetel.net.uk/~garycvl/amithlon/
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nyteschayde on September 09, 2014, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: som99;772578
Here you go amithlon and updates from my file server:

http://www.som99.se/Amithlon/


I dug up the article behind the broken link in your readme file. I have temporarily hosted it here. Som99 if you would put it in your .zip file others could get it easily.

http://briesmelonjs.parseapp.com/read%20me.rtf (http://briesmelonjs.parseapp.com/read%20me.rtf)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: som99 on September 09, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: nyteschayde;772669
I dug up the article behind the broken link in your readme file. I have temporarily hosted it here. Som99 if you would put it in your .zip file others could get it easily.

http://briesmelonjs.parseapp.com/read%20me.rtf (http://briesmelonjs.parseapp.com/read%20me.rtf)

Thank you, did not check the link to be honest. The file is now added to the amithlon archive :) at http://www.som99.se/amithlon, also added outside the rar file for those who already have downloaded it :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 10, 2014, 12:45:13 AM
update:
I have an emachines computer that was pieced together.
It has an AthlonXP cpu, FIC main board, and a Geforce FX5200 graphics card.
The main board is fic part number 53-80584-00,
and the fx5200 is gf5200ua8d12d-m

The cd booted to workbench. The boing ball bounced with one frame ? stuck at top.
I have not installed it yet and want to increase the resolution.
Screen mode said possibly out of video memory when going to 16 or 32 bit color.
Ram 512 mb and video 128 mb. I will have to recheck that and cpu speed. I believe the cpu speed is 1800+.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Methuselas on September 10, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
Quote from: trekiej;772686
update:
I have an emachines computer that was pieced together.
It has an AthlonXP cpu, FIC main board, and a Geforce FX5200 graphics card.
The main board is fic part number 53-80584-00,
and the fx5200 is gf5200ua8d12d-m

The cd booted to workbench. The boing ball bounced with one frame ? stuck at top.
I have not installed it yet and want to increase the resolution.
Screen mode said possibly out of video memory when going to 16 or 32 bit color.
Ram 512 mb and video 128 mb. I will have to recheck that and cpu speed. I believe the cpu speed is 1800+.

Thanks.

This will work with Gary's kernels. You just can't make a bootable CD with it or the ones after it.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 10, 2014, 02:16:52 AM
It will be a while before I install it.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: esc on September 10, 2014, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;772687
This will work with Gary's kernels. You just can't make a bootable CD with it or the ones after it.


How does one do this? :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 10, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
I believe a combination of freedos and linux.
The rest is for some one else to answer.
:)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: esc on September 17, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Duce;772269
Amithlon working fine on an Asus AN8-SLI mobo, 7800 GTX PCIe.  AMD X2 4200+ CPU, 2 GB DDR - 4 x 512 MB.  500 watt Antec PSU.

SATA can be a bugger with Amithlon, but not having any issues with this combo with SATA hd's.  500 GB SATA HD, and an IDE CR-RW.  SATA optical drives were a bit on and off, so just used the onboard IDE with no issues.


Hey Duce,

What kernel do you use? And what is your grub menu.lst line for that setup? I can't get it to work with 4x512mb, I can only get it to boot with 2x512. Also, I can only get the pcie gpu to work in VESA mode. Please help. :) Are you using onboard usb/ethernet/sound as well or do you have other pci cards? Thanks!
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 18, 2014, 04:19:03 AM
I would like to add a Compaq Presario 6370us.
It will not work with the mouse.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: esc on September 18, 2014, 05:50:57 PM
Is it a USB or PS2 mouse?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Pyromania on September 18, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
Does Amithlon run in a VMware Virtual Machine?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 18, 2014, 07:07:15 PM
@esc: the mouse is a usb mouse. I have not had any problems with my other machines, except on the laptop the previous windows would close quickly after I double click on a drawer icon. The drawer would open.

@pyro: I could not get it to run on virtualbox (32bit).
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: esc on September 18, 2014, 08:28:19 PM
Hmm, everything I've read so far says to use a PS2 mouse, so that's what I have and there are no issues with it.

I'm still stuck on a few things, though:
1 - the Geforce 7800 GTX PCIe card - seems to only work in vesa? I don't think it's problematic but running such a powerful card in VESA seems like a waste. I've tried booting 3.10 kernel, kernel 4, etc., with various menu.lst entries and Picasso96 can only ever find card0-vesa
2 - Using any web browser causes guru meditations or the system freezes, but only when the NIC is active. I've ordered a separate fully supported NIC to try to fix this
3 - Poseidon sees my flash drive when I insert it but it fails enumeration each time, no matter what port..?
4 - No sound. Ordered SB128. Hopefully that works.
5 - HDToolBox could only see a small portion of my &76 partition, and it could only make a couple partitions for Amithlon using a fraction of the available space. I feel like I wasted a ton of space. Is there a way to get it to play nice with my ~130 gigs?
6 - Using ffs, because that's what was on the CDRom, and I couldn't format my drives from within winuae mounting the &76 partition. How would one use pfs3 or something more modern?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 19, 2014, 01:46:53 AM
One question I have is, what does one need to get better resolutions after boot?
I adjusted p96 and all appeared to be the same.
It seems to point to the video card.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: esc on September 19, 2014, 07:25:33 PM
Quote from: esc;773252
Hey Duce,

What kernel do you use? And what is your grub menu.lst line for that setup? I can't get it to work with 4x512mb, I can only get it to boot with 2x512. Also, I can only get the pcie gpu to work in VESA mode. Please help. :) Are you using onboard usb/ethernet/sound as well or do you have other pci cards? Thanks!


@Duce please help with the above!!  :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 26, 2014, 04:48:29 AM
Compaq EVO 310 Desktop boots Amithlon
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: haywirepc on September 26, 2014, 05:18:49 AM
I'd be willing to get one of those if I was sure it would work nice with amithlon.

Does accellerated video and sound work right away or need some tweaking?

What screenmodes can it do?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 26, 2014, 08:47:04 AM
I use onboard sound, nic and etc on the Asus mobo.  Only problem I ever ran into was some SATA issues.  Using latest Amithlon/kernel, nothing special.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Johan on September 26, 2014, 09:16:33 AM
Hi guys,

I happen to have a legal cd-version of Amithlon, which I've never used and I don't think I ever will.
So, if I can make some-one out there happy with this cd, just let me know.


Johan
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: haywirepc on September 26, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
Johan, I'd be interested in that cd for sure!

Steven
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Johan on September 26, 2014, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;773942
Johan, I'd be interested in that cd for sure!

Steven


Hey Steven,

Since you are the first one to respond: it's yours. Please pm me with your details.


Johan
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 26, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
How does one install the cd that is in this post as an iso?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 26, 2014, 06:34:15 PM
Download the iso and burn it to a CD, same as anything else.

Or virtually mount it, boot it off a USB stick, whatever you prefer.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 26, 2014, 07:31:31 PM
Cd burned and bootable.
What Linux live cd's would be good to make the partitions?
Slacko 5.7.0 has an Amiga partition option.
I believe I need to make a partition that Linux does not make.
I guess I could dd to a usb drive.
How about a hard drive?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: carvedeye on September 26, 2014, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: trekiej;773972
Cd burned and bootable.
What Linux live cd's would be good to make the partitions?
Slacko 5.7.0 has an Amiga partition option.
I believe I need to make a partition that Linux does not make.
I guess I could dd to a usb drive.
How about a hard drive?


I also would like to know what Linux distro is best for amithlon ?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on September 27, 2014, 08:41:35 AM
Try running the A8N-* board with only 2 sticks of RAM (1 GB) installed.  Been some reports of things acting up with 2 x 4 512 MB modules, esp on older Amithlon revs.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 27, 2014, 04:59:34 PM
I belive fdisk or cfdisk is the one that allows for more choices in the type of partions.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 27, 2014, 05:57:36 PM
I also see that a HP a6137c works with Icaros Desktop.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 28, 2014, 02:08:27 AM
What I have seen is type 76 reserved.
I have not found a program yet.
One site uses a fdd.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: esc on September 28, 2014, 07:01:22 AM
If you hunt around for amithlon 1.3 you may have better luck. Someone hacked together (I think some guys from Turkey) an amithlon bootable iso that has partitioning software and other built-in stuff. Pretty neat.

I'm using the a8n-sli mobo, 1gb ram (2x512mb), realtek 8139 pci ethernet, sb128 sound, and a gtx7800 pcie nvidia gpu.

After installing the amithlon os3.9+bb1/2+updates bits from the CD, I can boot and am now able to use ethernet, sound, usb (had to get the newest version of poseidon and then reinstalled arakattack), and my gpu works very well. However, I can't tell if it's accelerated graphics or not - I try to attach settings to a board in p96 and the only board found is "vesa". Yet the graphics look great and are very fast. The only thing that's slow is scrolling text in a text document, web browser, etc.

It guru's on me pretty frequently, seemingly random. The only programs that work with sound are ones that use AHI. Paula doesn't work (maybe I'll try puhderbear or whatever it's called). It's a neat proof of concept but I'm not sure what to do with it now - setting up UAE in it seems like a bit of a chore and it's the only way to play games that hit hardware and custom chips. I guess we'll see. :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on September 28, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
I found it. You can use Xfdisk in Freedos to enter the type 76.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on October 07, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
I got Amithlon installed on an Athlon XP machine. I may move the drive to another machine.
I hope to get some compatable video cards.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2014, 11:02:05 AM
Quote from: carvedeye;773978
I also would like to know what Linux distro is best for amithlon ?


The Linux kernel is built into Amithlon so you don't need a particular distro or Linux installed on the machine.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on October 07, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
I got it intsalled now what do I do.
I plan to get the latest rtg.library from win-uae.
Do the updates and then install kernel 4 and kernel 4 drivers.
Does os-3.9 have boing-bag1?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on October 09, 2014, 11:16:10 PM
I got the updates installed and now want to install Kernel4 and drivers.
How does on install this kernel. Rename it to emubox.gz after decompressing it?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on October 10, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
I found my answer here.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27916&page=5
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on October 15, 2014, 09:50:21 PM
I got kernel4 installed and drivers with patches.
Audio and Network is next.
Is AmigaSYS recommended?
Would you leave it as OS3.9?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 03, 2015, 12:36:28 AM
I did install AmigaSYS but I am not for sure if I would recommend it yet.
I would need to use it more.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 03, 2015, 01:58:21 AM
Quote from: trekiej;782879
I did install AmigaSYS but I am not for sure if I would recommend it yet.
I would need to use it more.




It's been a long time since I used Amithlon, and remember getting about as far as you. I recall loving AmigaSys, having a few paint programs installed, along with Nemac IV.

Fishy Fish really knows what's what on Amithlon... unless his memory has gotten rusty too. :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 03, 2015, 02:28:02 AM
I need to get networking going the next time I work with Amithlon.
Getting files into Amithlon is a chore.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Paulie85 on February 20, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
Does anyone know if Amithlon will work with a Maximus VII IMPACT board?

I've been using Amikit through Amiga Forever for a while but now I want to set up a dedicated Amikit/Amithlon box.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 20, 2015, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: trekiej;782885
I need to get networking going the next time I work with Amithlon.
Getting files into Amithlon is a chore.


Ya, next time a Dell Dimension 2-4000 falls into my lap, I'll put an Amithlon machine together.  Setting up Samba is key I guess, but I just burned a lot of CD's last time I was playing with it.
MAN I wish Amithlon would have never died, I'd rather have it right now than OS 4 or AROS to be honest.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: kamelito on February 20, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
Commodore USA C64x did more of them all except CBM.
Kamelito
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Paulie85 on February 20, 2015, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;784963
Ya, next time a Dell Dimension 2-4000 falls into my lap, I'll put an Amithlon machine together.  Setting up Samba is key I guess, but I just burned a lot of CD's last time I was playing with it.




I wonder if using my old Dell Dimension 3100 would be a better bet? I wanted something fast though.
Are there any guides to getting Amithlon+Amikit running on this?

Quote from: XDelusion;784963

MAN I wish Amithlon would have never died, I'd rather have it right now than OS 4 or AROS to be honest.


I've never used OS4 but I had AROS set up on an old laptop. I think in the future it will be great but it's not for me in its current state.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 20, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
@Pauli85
I do know amigasys works.
I can not remember if amikit works.
Amithlon is a  live cd, it does help to find out if it will run on a particular machine.
What one can do is get it up and running on one machine and then switch the hdd.
If that does not work update the kernel and try again. I would recommend a second hdd for this example.
It would be a pain to wreck a drive that is running well on the first machine.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 20, 2015, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: Paulie85;784966
I wonder if using my old Dell Dimension 3100 would be a better bet? I wanted something fast though.
Are there any guides to getting Amithlon+Amikit running on this?



I've never used OS4 but I had AROS set up on an old laptop. I think in the future it will be great but it's not for me in its current state.



I've not done this in a minute, but yes, I've done this one Dell Dimensions from the 2000 series on up to the 4000 series, and only had to install a compatible video card (GeForce 5200 I believe) and Sound Blaster Live.

 I did not have to update the kernel or anything on these machines, and after I installed a few teaks and AmiSYS (which has some of those tweaks built in so be careful), I was ready to go.

There are a lot of guides for this on Google and Eab, though I can't recall which one I followed exactly, just that I used the DOS method over pure Linux.

Also like Trekiej said, get it up and running on one hard drive, then test that hard drive on other machines, and with the same video card at that. If it don't boot, try different kernels, etc. Though all in all, a Dimension 3xxx or 4xxx is perfect. 2xxx is OK, but kinda slow.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Duce on February 21, 2015, 12:50:15 AM
Aye, Dimension 4000 are ideal Amithloo boxes with a 5200 card in them.  Likely the most pain free setup, at the very least, albeit not the most powerful.
They are as close to a plug and play experience as you'll get with Amithlon.

First time I tried Amilthon was on a Dell 4000 with a nVidia 5200 in it and I don't recall hitting a single snag.  Where as my current Amithlon box (Asus A8N-SLI MB, AMD X2 4200+, nVidia 7800, 2 GB RAM) is a little more dicky to get working right and can be a bit temperamental, especially when it comes to SATA.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 21, 2015, 12:55:19 AM
I think the Kernel on the cd is not very compatible with some machines but the Newkernel maybe. The NewKernel would have to be installed onto the HDD.
edit:
Is it possible to add a 4GB fat16 partition to the end of the hard drive so that the Amiga OS can read it?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 22, 2015, 02:23:21 AM
There is supposed to be something like Arosathlon in the works from what I recall. Though I forget it's name atm.



As for Amithlon on a Dell Dimension 2-4000, use this link:

https://app.box.com/shared/hisnu6o4lc

And follow the Alternative Guide.

Also use GeForce 5200 with 512Mb RAM at least.
And Sound Blaster EMU10k based card

The rest should be good to go without extra kernel.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 22, 2015, 02:25:16 AM
I forgot about that link.
Arosathlon, I have not heard of that.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 22, 2015, 02:27:47 AM
Quote from: trekiej;785119
I forgot about that link.
Arosathlon, I have not heard of that.



Arosathlon isn't it's real name, I can't recall what they called it, but it's in the works, or still is from what I know.


BTW, Odamex should work with Amithlon. Nova recently uploaded it at EAB.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 22, 2015, 02:54:46 AM
All questions answered here:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31613

:)

Kernel

http://amithlon.sourceforge.net/


I ordered a Dimension 4600 Mobo to replace my dead one. $20 shipped with CPU, I got the RAM.

When I get it, I am going to document my EVERY step and create a tutorial over time.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 22, 2015, 03:41:42 AM
Cool thing about Odamex. I still have yet to figure out the aros-athlon.
Umilator is what I have found so far and that is fairly old.
;)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 24, 2015, 07:04:50 PM
He he he, this is funny. I had purchased a Dell Dimension 4600 mobo to replace my old one with bad caps.

 Anyhow, I scored one with a 2.8Ghz CPU for $20 shipped, which is not a bad deal.
 I also grabbed a 3.x Ghz CPU with faster bus speed to compliment the faster RAM I have for the system; it was only $5.00 shipped.

 Then today I head up to the local thrift shop in the town I live in, and low and behold, what sits for sale including all but the hard drive? A complete Dimension 4600 for $12.50 plus tax!

If this isn't a "Now there are two of them moment, I don't know what is!" :)

[youtube]r6inaBWSEdk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 24, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
Congratulations.
It is cold here and working on a computer is out of question for various reasons.
Good luck on the new build.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 24, 2015, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: trekiej;785341
Congratulations.
It is cold here and working on a computer is out of question for various reasons.
Good luck on the new build.


It's cold here too, and I gotta tote this puppy home on my bicycle because the car won't start today. :)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 24, 2015, 09:12:01 PM
I ordered a 3.0Ghz CPU (800Mhz FSB) for this unit also. At $5.00 shipped I might as well. :)

(http://www.amiga.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=205&pictureid=1252)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 25, 2015, 01:39:33 AM
Read and Write to USB as well as Amithlon partitions via IcarOS 1.5.2 Live CD.

Life with Amithlon just got a WHOLE LOT easier!

(http://www.amiga.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=205&pictureid=1254)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 25, 2015, 01:45:12 AM
You are a man of many talents.
I did not know that about Icaros 1.5.2.
I will need to keep that in mind when I rebuild.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 25, 2015, 02:00:09 AM
Quote from: trekiej;785364
You are a man of many talents.
I did not know that about Icaros 1.5.2.
I will need to keep that in mind when I rebuild.


It might "should" work with the latest IcarOS release as well. I just could not get that CD to boot on this machine, but 1.5.2 did, probably since it's a different brand CD-R I imagine.

Now I want to take the time to learn how to make an IcarOS bootable USB stick. That would be the perfect tool to help save CD's or setting up a network to get files onto Amithlon partitions.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 25, 2015, 05:18:20 AM
Great.
I am still working on my A1000.
I have more painting to do.

I am thinking of getting an 8800 or 9800 pci-e card for Icaros gaming.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 25, 2015, 05:51:50 AM
9800GT+ the only way to go
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 25, 2015, 06:07:06 AM
Thanks.
I wish there was 3d hardware acceleration in Amithlon.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 25, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
Quote from: trekiej;785371
Thanks.
I wish there was 3d hardware acceleration in Amithlon.


As do I. Have you ever read the road map of things that were to come before Amithlon was killed?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: kamelito on February 25, 2015, 12:48:41 PM
Is Amithlon faster than WinUAE for applications?.

Kamelito
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 25, 2015, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: kamelito;785396
Is Amithlon faster than WinUAE for applications?.

Kamelito


Big time!
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 25, 2015, 05:11:33 PM
Sorry, I have not seen any road map that I can remember.
I do know that Amithlon is fast.
I hope to see an new distribution soon.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Ral-Clan on February 25, 2015, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;785397
Big time!
Although faster, it unfortunately is not as compatible with hardware banging applications as UAE currently is.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 25, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: ral-clan;785435
Although faster, it unfortunately is not as compatible with hardware banging applications as UAE currently is.


On that note, I'd like to see UAE 68k updated. ;)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 26, 2015, 01:50:01 AM
I need to make plans to pick Amithlon apart to see what is what.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 26, 2015, 02:03:24 AM
Quote from: trekiej;785449
I need to make plans to pick Amithlon apart to see what is what.


That's what I'm doing right now. Atm, my video is superb (kernel3), but my AHI is screwed up and very retro. When I update it, the icon stops working. Must figure this out, I know I did before.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 26, 2015, 02:35:58 AM
I went from newkernel to kernel 4 and made a backup of the first.
I did update rtg.library. Some where in the process gf5200 did not get recognized.
That is not the whole story though.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: kamelito on February 26, 2015, 11:53:31 AM
isn't it possible to remove all HW supports from UAE to make it faster?
Kamelito
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 26, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
Rtg and Ahi should help quite a lot.
I can not answer the rest.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 26, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: kamelito;785471
isn't it possible to remove all HW supports from UAE to make it faster?
Kamelito


The only way to make UAE compete with a polished Amithlon system, is to buy a PC with a FAST CPU and FAST Front Side Bus.  That is to say, faster than what your Amithlon machine is. ;)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: OlafS3 on February 26, 2015, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;785484
The only way to make UAE compete with a polished Amithlon system, is to buy a PC with a FAST CPU and FAST Front Side Bus.  That is to say, faster than what your Amithlon machine is. ;)


BTW Pascal is uploading a new version of AMINUX right now (hopefully up tomorrow). It is a linux distribution directly jumping in FS-UAE with newest version of Aros Vision and running from USB-Stick. It is of course not running as fast as Amithlon on supported hardware but it runs on newer (and thus faster) hardware and it is a full UAE environment.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: XDelusion on February 26, 2015, 11:38:24 PM
Quote from: OlafS3;785497
BTW Pascal is uploading a new version of AMINUX right now (hopefully up tomorrow). It is a linux distribution directly jumping in FS-UAE with newest version of Aros Vision and running from USB-Stick. It is of course not running as fast as Amithlon on supported hardware but it runs on newer (and thus faster) hardware and it is a full UAE environment.



Hurray, more Amiga toys!!!!
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on February 27, 2015, 12:52:57 AM
Great to know that Aminux is still available.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on February 29, 2016, 03:21:28 AM
I've put together a number of Amithlon systems from boxed systems (HP, Dell) to home built PCs (AMD and Intel) to even Oracle Virtualbox setups (with USB, AHI sound and Networking functioning).

The original AmigaOS XL CD has a pretty old kernel and isn't the best at testing system compatibility.  I'd suggest building a new CD with kernel 3.10 in place of emubox.gz.  Some SATA support (usually in Legacy mode) and more video card support.  

I personally have had better luck with Kernel 3.10 than Kernel 4, though one motherboard I had really liked Kernel 4, even allowing the built in NIC to be at 1 Gb.  Kernel 4 does add more support for NICs, Video Cards and such so it depends more on the system.

As for speed, Amithlon is BLISTERINGLY fast.  In comparison my Windows 10 PC is an i7 3.5 Ghz with 32 GB of ram running WinUAE (A4000 setup, JIT enabled, fastest possible) gives a SysInfo v4 resutls in dhrystones of 64 times a real A4000.  My Amithlon PC using a e8600 Core2Duo 4.0 Ghz (3.36 overclocked) results in dhrystones of 235 times an A4000.  Plus it's on a nice 1680x1050x32bit display that screams (hardware accelerated Nvidia FX5500 PCI).

My latest "project" has been Amithlon on a laptop.  I'm typing this post using NetSurf on a Dell Inspiron 5150 running Amithlon....over WiFi..  PIV 3.0 ghz, 768 MB ram, 80 GB HD, AHI audio, USB and WiFI :)  The motherboard wired NIC works with Kernel 3.10 and so does a mini-pci wireless nic I picked up with Prism2v2 drivers.   Unfortunately graphics are VESA unaccelerated but still, 1280x1024x32 bit works well on the 15" display.  
Supported motherboard featues:
Wired Nic (Kernel 3.10 drivers)
Audio (AHI)
USB (Poseidon)

I can see other Dell systems from around the same time period being good base candidates.

I'm working on an updated list of hardware that works so any who can offer what has worked for them, please let me know.  I want details (motherboard and chipset, what worked or didn't, etc..).  

Oh...tip another user at EAB discovered.  Install Poseidon v3.8, then ArakAttack and configure and see if it works.  If successful, install Poseidon v.4.4 on top of your 3.8 install and it will remove the license requirement (since 3.8 required a key and 4.4 was open sourced).  It has worked on pretty much every thing I've tried, including Virtualbox.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on February 29, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
For anyone interested, if you have a laptop with a mini-pci internal connector, this card works with the Prism2v2 drivers allowing wireless internet.  I have a Dell Latitude C610 and a Dell Inspiron 5150 and both of these have the same type mini-pci internal connector.

IBM ThinkPad T30 802.11b Wireless Modem Card Intel M3AWEB56GA 91P7215 26P8520.
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Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on March 05, 2016, 04:53:24 AM
Thanks for the post.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: psxphill on March 05, 2016, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: kamelito;785471
isn't it possible to remove all HW supports from UAE to make it faster?
Kamelito


It depends on what you want to still work.

Draco did away with most of the chips, but still had the CIAs because exec multitasking relied on it. But if you replace that code then yeah you don't need to emulate any hardware. Just make all the code talk to the native pc hardware.

How much faster is another matter, once you remove the HW support from UAE then you're not left with much and it might be easier and produce better results to start from a different direction. A 68000 JIT using LVVM would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 07, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
I know of lot of the information (and even posts) are old regarding Amithlon but since I've just started using it the last few months it is of high interest to me.

I've been working on a guide on installing Amithlon
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/files/install/snkbittenguide.html (http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/files/install/snkbittenguide.html)
which is a published Google Doc which is updated as needed and contains pictures and animated.gifs to walk through installing Amithlon.

What I'm looking for now is what hardware people have had success with installing/running Amithlon.   I'm looking for detailed aspects more than it booted.  Ie...motherboard, motherboard config (ram, ide, sata (sata in native or legacy mode), did Audio work, NIC work, what graphics card (accelerated or vesa).  

I'd like to add this to the install guide so others can have a reference of what works and how well.  A good motherboard can be one that has enough PCI slots to accommodate PCI cards for sound, video, network and/or TV cards, etc... while an excellent motherboard may be one that supports sound and network with an AGP or PCI slot for the video card.

I know there is a released list with chipsets and all that are supported but I'm more interested in the actual motherboard models that work.

Examples....some I've tested

Motherboard:
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L MB - Socket LGA775 (3 PCI slots)
Chipset Type Northbridge: IntelĀ® P35 Express - Southbridge: Intel ICH9
IDE (kernel 3 & 4)
SATA (kernel 4)
USB

Motherboard:
ASUS A8N-E  MB - Socket 939 (3 PCI slots)
Chipset Type NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra
IDE (kernel 3 and 4)
USB
NIC - 1 GB

Motherboard:
GA-MA790FXT-UD5P  MB - Socket AM3 (2 PCI slots)
Chipset Type - North Bridge: AMD 790FX - South Bridge: AMD SB750
IDE (kernel 3 and 4)
SATA (kernel 3 and 4)
USB

Video Card:
Nvidia FX 5500 PCI 256 MB (hardware accelerated)
Nvidia FX 5200 PCI 256 MB (hardware accelerated)
Nvidia PCX5750 PCIe 256 MB (vesa mode)

Nic:
Realtek RTL8139D 10/100 Mbps PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
IBM ThinkPad T30 802.11b Intel M3AWEB56GA 91P7215 26P8520 MINI-PCI (laptop)

Sound:
Soundblaster Live PCI

Or Systems:

Dell Latitude C610: - Laptop
Onboard Audio, USB, IDE, NIC
Video (vesa)
Mini-PCI slot

Dell Inspiron 5150 - Laptop
Onboard Audio, USB, IDE, NIC
Video (vesa) (Radeon 9000 or Nvidia FXgo5200)
Mini-PCI slot

You don't have to be as detailed but the more the better.

You can just list what video card you used and if was hardware accelerated or what sound card you've used, etc..

Thanks.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Methuselas on March 07, 2016, 06:11:51 PM
The Dell C510 also works, with Gary's kernel. If you add all the contribs, the video chipset works, without vesa modes. Never got Wifi to work, though. Also, the Dell C610 works with the original kernel.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Methuselas on March 07, 2016, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: SnkBitten;804891
For anyone interested, if you have a laptop with a mini-pci internal connector, this card works with the Prism2v2 drivers allowing wireless internet.  I have a Dell Latitude C610 and a Dell Inspiron 5150 and both of these have the same type mini-pci internal connector.

IBM ThinkPad T30 802.11b Wireless Modem Card Intel M3AWEB56GA 91P7215 26P8520.
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Oooh. Thanks. How did you get this working? the C610 and 510 are basically the same. I have a 510.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 07, 2016, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;805531
Oooh. Thanks. How did you get this working? the C610 and 510 are basically the same. I have a 510.


Plug it in, download and install Prism2v2.lha from aminet, fire up Genesis Wizard and add a new adapter, choose Prism2 device and set it up like a regular adapter.

I used a static IP address like the internal wired nic (one number higher).  WPA2 killed speed, WEP would be faster but my router doesn't support WEP.  I set up a guest network with internet access only and left it open and it connects  and works.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 07, 2016, 06:42:16 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;805530
The Dell C510 also works, with Gary's kernel. If you add all the contribs, the video chipset works, without vesa modes. Never got Wifi to work, though. Also, the Dell C610 works with the original kernel.


My Dell C610 is using "builtin" which is the same as vesa.  You have to attach a board in Picasso96mode to get the accelerated graphics and it only presents "vesa-1" as the board (which will not be accelerated).  My tower Amithlon presents "nvidia-1" as the board and has full hardware acceleration.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nicholas on March 07, 2016, 10:09:01 PM
Quote from: SnkBitten;805532
Plug it in, download and install Prism2v2.lha from aminet, fire up Genesis Wizard and add a new adapter, choose Prism2 device and set it up like a regular adapter.

I used a static IP address like the internal wired nic (one number higher).  WPA2 killed speed, WEP would be faster but my router doesn't support WEP.  I set up a guest network with internet access only and left it open and it connects  and works.

Perhaps if you ask Neil Cafferkey if he would compile the Prism 2 driver with the i686be compiler it wouldn't be so slow as it would be using native x86 code?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 07, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: nicholas;805541
Perhaps if you ask Neil Cafferkey if he would compile the Prism 2 driver with the i686be compiler it wouldn't be so slow as it would be using native x86 code?

Hmm...good idea.  It was slow....slower than 300 baud modem slow.  I almost thought it wasn't working.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: jennadk on March 07, 2016, 11:55:38 PM
How does Aminux compare to Cloanto's KX Light?

 http://www.amigaforever.com/kxlight/
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: huepper on March 08, 2016, 10:34:36 AM
Quote from: SnkBitten;805522
I know of lot of the information (and even posts) are old regarding Amithlon but since I've just started using it the last few months it is of high interest to me.

I've been working on a guide on installing Amithlon
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/files/install/snkbittenguide.html
which is a published Google Doc which is updated as needed and contains pictures and animated.gifs to walk through installing Amithlon...

Can't await part 2. :D
Really nice guide at all.


EDIT: how you buildt up the CD exactly step by step to use kernel 3.10?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 08, 2016, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: huepper;805569
Can't await part 2. :D
Really nice guide at all.


EDIT: how you buildt up the CD exactly step by step to use kernel 3.10?

I used AMIthlon_CD.lha from aminet and WinUAE.  I added a 500 MB partition to my WinUAE setup and copied the contents of the CD to that partition.  Copied kern310 to the isolinux folder on that partition, edited every text/config file inside isolinux replacing emubox.gz with kern310.   I also threw in a folder with all the patches/updates that I use on the root of the partition.  Ran the script included, saved the output file (AmigaOS XL.iso) to the Windows folder I have mounted in WinUAE and burned the .iso to CD with Imgburn in Windows.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: nicholas on March 08, 2016, 05:11:41 PM
Ramithlon from aminet gives a huge speedup btw
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 08, 2016, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: nicholas;805581
Ramithlon from aminet gives a huge speedup btw


Thanks, I haven't covered the "extras" stuff yet like SetDMA, Ramithlon or other tweaks, just trying to get an all purpose install guide and lists of actual real hardware people have used to help others know what to look for.  Heck some probably have a lot of compatible hardware just lying around ;)
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 09, 2016, 04:03:18 PM
Here's an update of the hardware list.  Eventually I'll separate the video cards between "Supported" (fully supported/hardware accelerated) and "Works" (builtin/vesa mode).

Amithlon Supported Hardware

Motherboards
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L MB - Socket LGA775 (3 PCI slots)
Chipset - Northbridge: IntelĀ® P35 Express - Southbridge: Intel ICH9
IDE (kernel 3.10 and 4)
SATA (kernel 4)
USB

Asus A8N-E MB - Socket 939 (3 PCI slots)
Chipset - NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra
IDE (kernel 3.10 and 4)
USB
NIC - 10/100/1000

GA-MA790FXT-UD5P MB - Socket AM3 (2 PCI slots)
Chipset - North Bridge: AMD 790FX - South Bridge: AMD SB750
IDE (kernel 3.10 and 4)
SATA (kernel 3.10 and 4)
USB

Gigabyte GA-M52L-S3P MB - Socket AM2 (4 PCI slots)
Chipset - NVIDIA nForce 520LE
IDE

Asus K7V MB - Slot A (5 PCI slots, 1 AGP)
Chipset - VIA Apollo KX133
IDE (kernel 3.10 and 4)
USB

MSI k8t neo2 v2.0 MB - Socket 939 (1 AGP, 5 PCI slots)
Chipset - VIA K8T800 Pro - South Bridge VIA VT8237
USB (kernel 3.10)
AC97 Sound (kernel 3.10)

Shuttle AK32 MB - Socket A (1 AGP, 5 PCI slots)
Chipset - VIA KT266A
USB (kernel 3.10)
AC97 Sound (kernel 3.10)

Abit AN7 MB - Socket 462 (1 AGP, 5 PCI slots)
Chipset - NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 - South Bridge NVIDIA nForce2 MCP-T
USB (kernel 3.10)

Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 MB - Socket 939 (3 PCI slots)
Chipset - NVidia nForce4
USB (kernel 3.10)


Video Cards
Nvidia GeForce FX 5500 PCI 256 MB (hardware accelerated)
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 PCI 256 MB (hardware accelerated)
Nvidia GeForce 4200Ti AGP  (hardware accelerated)
Nvidia GeForce 4 Ti AGP (hardware accelerated)
Nvidia GeForce PCX5750 PCIe 256 MB (builtin/vesa mode)
Nvidia GeForce GS7800 PCIe (builtin/vesa mode)

Network Cards
Realtek RTL8139D 10/100 Mbps PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (OpenPCI driver)
IBM ThinkPad T30 802.11b Intel M3AWEB56GA 91P7215 26P8520 Mini-PCI (laptop) (Prism2v2 driver)

Sound Cards
Soundblaster Live PCI
Soundblaster 128 PCI

Systems - Desktop/Tower
Dell Dimension B110
Onboard USB (kernel 3.10)
Onboard AC97 Audio (kernel 3.10)


Systems - Laptop
Dell Latitude C610 (kernel 3.10)
Onboard AC97 Audio
Onboard USB
Onboard IDE
Onboard NIC
Onboard Video (vesa)
Mini-PCI slot

Dell Inspiron 5150 (kernel 3.10)
Onboard AC97 Audio
Onboard USB
Onboard IDE
Onboard NIC
Onboard Video (vesa) (Radeon 9000 or Nvidia FXgo5200)
Mini-PCI slot

Misc Hardware
Linksys USB200M - USB to ethernet adapter with Poseidon/ArakAttack and usbasixeth.device driver
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 19, 2016, 01:06:51 PM
I've updated the Install Guide with getting all your motherboard's USB ports enabled (if compatible) and have added a few more items to the hardware list (which I need to publish as well).  In the meantime I've pulled Milan's (milanca) kernel 4 tree (2.4.37.9) down and merged it in to the last 2.4.x kernel (2.4.37.11) and successfully compiled it.  I'll post a guide on compiling the kernel as soon as I have more familiarity with it and hopefully someone with linux skills/knowledge can move it up to a newer kernel.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 27, 2016, 03:04:57 AM
I've added a "starter guide" to compiling the kernel for Amithlon.  It's using Milan's kernel4 tree he compiled on the linux-2.4.37.9 tree.

It's on my site http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/ as well as the Amithlon Installation Guide, Modifying the Amithlon Kickstart and Supported Hardware documents (published Google Docs).
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on March 29, 2016, 02:25:51 AM
Awesome stuff.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 29, 2016, 04:40:48 AM
Here's kernel 2.4.37.11 tree patched. Inside the .tar file you'll also find my diff patch file "amithlon.patch" which I used to patch kernel 2.4.37.11.
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/SnkBitten-kernel/amithlon-2.4.37.11.tar.gz

And if you just want the diff file...
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/SnkBitten-kernel/amithlon-patch.tar.gz

The "amithlon.patch" file was created by running a diff between the stock linux-2.4.37.9 tree and Milan's linux-2.4.37.9-amithlon tree, creating the "diff"erences file which can then be used to patch the stock tree. I applied it to the linux-2.4.37.11 tree and was able to compile a kernel that boots my VB Amithlon.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Methuselas on March 29, 2016, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: SnkBitten;806492
Here's kernel 2.4.37.11 tree patched. Inside the .tar file you'll also find my diff patch file "amithlon.patch" which I used to patch kernel 2.4.37.11.
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/SnkBitten-kernel/amithlon-2.4.37.11.tar.gz

And if you just want the diff file...
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/SnkBitten-kernel/amithlon-patch.tar.gz

The "amithlon.patch" file was created by running a diff between the stock linux-2.4.37.9 tree and Milan's linux-2.4.37.9-amithlon tree, creating the "diff"erences file which can then be used to patch the stock tree. I applied it to the linux-2.4.37.11 tree and was able to compile a kernel that boots my VB Amithlon.


What's the difference between this kernel and the previous one? Also, has anyone tried to update the UAE files to the current ones? Be nice if we could hack that together.

Also, you may want to add the Dell Dimension 3000 to your list. It worked out of the box (with vesa modes) with the 3.10 kernel. It worked with the original kernel, just without sound. It's a P4 system, so make sure you add the P4 patch. This was my dual boot system for a long time.

http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-dimension-3000-home/specs/
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on March 29, 2016, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;806503
What's the difference between this kernel and the previous one? Also, has anyone tried to update the UAE files to the current ones? Be nice if we could hack that together.



Absolutely nothing, other than the 2.4.37.11 was the final 2.4 linux kernel before 2.6.  Some driver updates and bug fixes in the linux kernel which may or may not benefit Amithlon.

Most "could" use this to compile their own kernel with the drivers for their particular NIC/Sound built in to the kernel and wouldn't need to load any driver modules.   My goal was to get to boring part out of the way so maybe some one interested in the details could tear it apart and merge it up in to Linux 2.6.x base and the advantages it could offer (newer framebuffer drivers and greater motherboard support).
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on April 01, 2016, 05:00:06 AM
Installation guide part 2 is in progress, with what's done available now, with more to come, soon hopefully.  Replacing kernel 3.10 and it's driver modules with kernel 4 and it's driver modules.  Also I've added the basics of installing Genesis and configuring the network connection.  Published Google Doc so changes/additions happen as I make them.

http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/

**Edit**
Anyone ever run across Gary Colville's 3.10 kernel source?  I have his 3.00-test1 source and compiled it last night, trying to get a look at what he did vs. what Milan did on Kernel 4.   Gary's 3.10 kernel was much more "complete."
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Ratte on April 01, 2016, 10:54:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWax2_r0cDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6aS0g4ZDZk

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=808109&postcount=173

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5632
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on April 02, 2016, 04:23:17 AM
Ratte, did you see my guide here on Amiga.org?
Also, could I use Amiga Forever 2016 with this?
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on May 12, 2016, 01:34:27 AM
Picasso96Mode use added to the Installation Guide Part 2.  

http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/snkbittenguide2.html
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: trekiej on May 12, 2016, 01:59:59 AM
Great!
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: Heiroglyph on May 12, 2016, 03:42:45 AM
I had no idea about SetConfig.

This has become one of my favorite threads.

I hope your site stays up so I can reference this in the future. Great source of info.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on May 12, 2016, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: Heiroglyph;808304
I had no idea about SetConfig.

This has become one of my favorite threads.

I hope your site stays up so I can reference this in the future. Great source of info.


Thanks.  I'm always looking for any information on Amithlon - tweaks, hacks, etc. that can be applied.

So....everybody share their tweaks :)  I'm hoping to compile everything I can find on my site so it can be easier for others to access.

Once I have Part 2 completed I'll create .pdf and .docx versions so people can easily download if desired.  I also need to write out new versions of those formats for Part 1, as I've made a few changes since I originally created those.
Title: Re: Amithlon
Post by: SnkBitten on May 08, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
Wow, almost a year since my last post on this topic, probably because there is very low interest in Amithlon these days :(

Some updates to the installation guides.  Some additional Picasso96 install/updating information in the main guide and starting to add more Setconfig options, and what they do, in Part 2.   Any thing I'm missing, please let me know as I really want the guides to have as much information as possible.

Part 1
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/snkbittenguide.html

Part 2
http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/snkbittenguide2.html

I've also contacted Doobrey about adding the Amithlon "shape.rom" to ROMsplit which he has done.  It's still beta as he has more things he wants to add/cleanup before releasing a new full package.   He has provided the beta with the request no one host it elsewhere and be fully aware it's a beta.
http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/ROMsplit_1.9a.lha

You'll need a previous version installed and copy the included files over the current version.
This should allow us to customize the kickstart rom embedded in bigird.gz and smallird.gz though you'll have to replace it inside those using a linux system and a loop mount of the files.