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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: Trinity on June 07, 2004, 08:40:24 PM
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I'm new here , so I hope this is not a naive question and in the right forum
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Trinity wrote:
I'm new here , so I hope this is not a naive question and in the right forum.....
If i purchase a pc with AMD chipset ...and no OS ..can I just purchase a Clanto Amiga Forever #6 and just run it ... the HD is blank , so how do I format it ...and if need a OS before I install Amiga Forever#6, what is the most appropiate Linux OS to use??
Yes. Just buy all the machine minus an OS, and put Amiga Forever on it. Should work a treat.
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No, it won't be fun. You can boot from the CD, yes, but everything is write protected, you won't even need a HDD as you cannot write to it anyway.
It is much more fun to use it on Windows as you can combine the good parts of both worlds this way.
Bye,
Thomas
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@Thomas:
Good parts? Windows? That does not compute.
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Hi Trinity, the answer to your question depends a bit on how exactly you intend to use the system. It sounds like you want to boot straight into AmigaOS (emulated), and have storage space available for at least data. The boot-from-CD option you will probably find less than satisfactory. Boots more or less straight into AmigaOS, yes, but only gets a network address via DHCP, and no storage for your data without flitting off to the Linux console and doing fdisk and then mkfs.whatever_fs_you_want and then mounting it and then editing .uaerc (if there is one) and then resetting uae and then etc etc.
*edit* Also if you manage to crash UAE, the system will reboot. I guess it's kinda like a real Amiga that way!
Ideally, unfortunately (at least I'm not a Windows fan) WinUAE is probably the most complete and stable freely available emulator out there. E-UAE (the best UN*X/Linux choice) is getting there, particularly in CVS, but I've found it to be a bit crashy depending on how you configure it, particularly memory and the JIT.
At any rate, if you really want to use your emulated Amiga, you need some kind of OS installed. Choice of Linux OS is an argument/flamewar waiting to happen so no comment there. The boot-from-CD AmigaOS is nice to show off or just to try on various hardware. I will say that KXlight is Knoppix based, and therefore *cough* Debian *cough* based ;-)
This is all AFAIK. Maybe someone else knows different :-D
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Trezzer wrote:
@Thomas:
Good parts? Windows? That does not compute.
Well, good in the meaning of "you need it to use a certain service". For example play radio streams using RealPlayer. Most popular radio stations in Germany don't offer mp3 streams, so AmiNetRadio is of no help here. There are more examples. However, I use WinUAE for most of my needings.
Also with WinUAE developing is more fun because in case of a crash the reboot is much faster than on a real machine. It just does not have to reset all the hardware (there is no hardware).
Bye,
Thomas
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Actually, no.
The Knoppix based "live" Amiga Forever 6 install is a very poor one. In my own experience, you'll be lucky if it works on your system. It certainly didn't on my laptop and only partially functioned on my desktop but it was unusable. Knoppix works fine on both, of course, so it's the Claonto build that's broken.
AF6 is still good for the WinUAE user. You may be able to get some use if you are a Mac or Linux user, though there is little in the package to help you. For the "stand alone" version, you'll have to wait for AF7 or AF8. This one sucks.
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With WinUAE you can replace 'Explorer' as the system shell, and boot straight into UAE, bypassing the frontend menu (after getting it all configured that is!).
Windows XP is the choice for supporting the most WinUAE features - with it set right you wouldn't need to interact with Windows at all, other than seeing a boot screen (which can be replaced ;-)).
Of course you can also patch all heck outta Windows, and end with something like this (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/katejames/Windows.jpg) ;-)
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Well, good in the meaning of "you need it to use a certain service". For example play radio streams using RealPlayer. Most popular radio stations in Germany don't offer mp3 streams, so AmiNetRadio is of no help here. There are more examples. However, I use WinUAE for most of my needings.
Well, good for you. Some people prefer to be completely without Windows though. I must admit that I am flabbergasted (and I'm not picking on you in particular here) that so many "intel outside" / other anti-MS people use ... tadaaaa Windows.
It's not like I can do *everything* I need to do on my Amiga. Only about 99%. Unfortunately there is also no laptop Amiga, so therefore I have my trusty powerbook, which happens to do the last 1% (like home banking and realmedia).
Even then I'd install AmigaOS on the laptop in a heartbeat if I could (running natively of course) and just ignore the few things I couldn't do.
I guess I just have a hard time respecting Windows as an educated choice unless you are locked into the platform by profession - and I mean *locked*.
Sorry. I'll stop ranting and go away now.
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Everybody has to see what is good for him. For me one niche system is enough. If I have to use another system to complement my possibilities, I'll choose the mainstream system.
Bye,
Thomas
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Sorry, but WindowsXP does offer the most features to support WinUAE. My having XP is locked by my job so I make the most I can from it, and at the mo I only have space to do everything on my lap anyway (trusty A3000 is currently buried and I'm deskless!).
I'm also working on being in a position to get a Pegasos too (selling a car to do it!), which in due time will replace the work laptop ...
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WHOA...
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First: WinUAE is not an OS. It's like a virtual piece of hardware, and you run AmigaOS on top of it. It pretends to be a classic Amiga system.
WinUAE runs on (you guessed it!) Windows.
UAE runs on Linux, and most any other UNIX.
E-UAE runs on Linux and most any other UNIX, and contains features ported over from WinUAE, since "old" UAE is basically dead and unmaintained.
The *best* experience, as in the most stable and easy to use solution, is WinUAE hands down. OpenGL acceleration, a robust JIT, active development, supported out-of-the-box by Amiga Forever, and no compilers in sight.
The Free-est experience is E-UAE on Linux. But you'll have to do some RTFM to get it to work. You might even have to compile something, and you will probably want to edit some config files. That means vi. Or, if you have a gig of memory, emacs *dodges rocks and beer bottles*
Keep in mind that even booting from the CD, all you are doing is booting Linux and running UAE as the "window manager" in X. UAE is not an OS. So none of these solutions has any extra overhead, necessarily.
Good luck :-)
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The best way to do what you want is with Amithlon, No windows required.
You can set up a HD with amiga OS on it then boot from the Amithlon CD it will automatically detect your HD and boot from it. Or you can set it up to boot from the HD only without the CD.
only... you cant get new CD's any more, but theres bound to be someone willing to sell their original. the mailing list is still active. And there are newkernels in the works for newer mother boards etc.
only #2... there is no AGA or Amiga chipset emulation in Amithlon, but you can run Amiga68K version of UAE to play games ETC.
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Well, AF6 is in no way an OS.
Yes, you can boot from the AF6 CD. But the OS which boots is Knoppix (Unix). The boot process then loads UAE, which is not a window manager but still an emulator. The emulator pretends to be Amiga hardware and the pretended Amiga hardware loads AmigaOS as if it was running on real Amiga hardware.
The same is true for WinUAE: AmigaOS runs on WinUAE which runs on Windows which runs on real hardware. With the only difference that WinUAE does not start automatically. But this can be configured.
AF6 also contains a complete AmigaOS installation and a beautiful looking launcher.
Bye,
Thomas
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I've always said....
If you want an Amiga..buy it...if you want Win..buy a pc...if you want a Mac...buy it....
WinUAE is nice...but is really an emulator...in my opinion is good only for .adf games...
Bye ;)
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Then your opinion is wrong. WinUAE forms the best, fastest and most compatible high-end Amiga there is. It is real fun using it, much more than a real Amiga. AmigaOS4 and MorhpOS are catching up, but they still need time.
Bye,
Thomas
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@ Thomas:
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You don't need WinUAE (it is UAE, not EAU). AmigaForever contains WinUAE. Mainly it is a preconfigured and preinstalled WinUAE.
AF contains all AmigaOS files which is needed to emulate an Amiga. And it contains emulators for several host OSes.
WinXP is the best choice to use AF.
You can also use it with Linux.
You can even use it with MacOS.
And you can use it without OS if you are happy with the preinstalled Knoppix. It cannot write to HDD though.
Windows is the best choice because AF was designed to be used with Windows. You can install AF to HDD and it is all ready to run. Just start the launcher, choose the configuration and WinUAE ist started which immediately boots into AmigaOS.
Bye,
Thomas
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Amiga forever is all you need. I run it on my athlon 64 rig it works great you dont need anything else at all, period.
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Thanks Ty,
Making Windows XP look (and to an extent behave) like Workbench takes lots of patches & tweaking, but I'm happy with it (the gadgets at the tops of the Windows work in an Amiga way, apart from the cycling one). It's kinda funny administering an Active Directory network in this way ;-)
If you have Win98 then WinUAE will work fine, it only misses a couple of the features. I have it configured so it runs OS 3.9 with most of my old serious programs (pic editing, word processing, internet stuff) and a couple of HD installable games.
To be honest I find it indespensable as I can run games whithout having to drag my A1200 or A500+ out, but it's not a replacement for the A3000. On my P3 1200MHz it feels like a 40MHz '040 with super graphics speed, so yours will fly!
Let us know how you get on, and we'll do our best to help with any config trouble (Thomas is 'the man' for this! he's sorted 3 things for me, and I thought I was an expert ;-)).
ps. Like I said you can also set it to WinUAE replaces the Windows shell, however this isn't something to be taken lightly so see how you go with AF6 first ;-) If this is done with care it has the potential to be 90% like a Classic Amiga I recon (stuff like getting a Catweasel for using an Amiga keyboard and reading floppies, and careful case choice - you could fool many experts) and it's certainly closer than an A1 or Peg which I like
... sorry to waffle ... :lol:
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Holley ... yes it should be interesting ...
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If you're connecting to the internet then yes, get all the updates! While Windows networking would only act as a pass-through it can still get one of the myriad of viruses I'm afraid, so a virus scanner that can auto-update is also a wise move :-( (AVG is free and can be set to auto-update, check out www.grisoft.com).
As for speed, with your setup it should fly along! In general use it'll certainly outstrip a 40MHz WarpEngine ;-)
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@ Holley:
only in general use ... but not in or with Amiga programs such as IFX or a paint program ??
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Trinity wrote:
@ Holley:
only in general use ... but not in or with Amiga programs such as IFX or a paint program ??
Everywhere. Your setup is clearly oversized if only used with WinUAE. On every PC with 1000MHz or above WinUAE will run more than 2 to 10 times faster than every Amiga which ever existed. It even outperforms a CyberstormPPC 233MHz.
Bye,
Thomas
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Sorry, short of rendering lightwave images most everything counts as 'general use' in my book ;-)
BTW Thomas - have you got a way for AmiSSL to redirect to Windows instead of looking for AmiTCP?
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Holley ...correct me if I'm wrong ,but I was under the impression that lightwave was a "Toaster
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but I was under the impression that lightwave was a "Toaster and /or Flyer "rendering program?
yes, at one time LightWave had this expensive "dongle" called a toaster card :lol:
i got lightwave (amiga) 3 or 4 - forget which now - and it came with a small dongle you plugged into your serial port (or someplace. it REALLY has been a long time).
anyway, i have no idea if this version of lightwave can work on WinUAE or if people use lightRave, or what.
and, have i mentions I never play games on my WinUAE? i use it for IFX and other such things.
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I think the 'cracked' version works ok, but it was just the first thing that came to mind :-D I've only seen it used on an Amiga by one person, but did have the first release for Windows (which was excellent, it even had the Amiga 'A's on the menus for the key combinations) ... IIRC it was labelled version 5, in about '96 or '97 ...
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What he meant was you run OS 3.9 on top of another operating system (Windows), on an Amiga that only exists in software (UAE) ;-)
Edit: OS 3.9 comes with AF6 (it just misses a couple of things that arn't required under emulation), and AF6 is a collection that pulls Amiga emulation stuff together in an easy to use (and legal) package.
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Whoops,
had a mind blank there and thought it was WinUAE (http://www.winuae.net/)...
(free download)
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@ Holley
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AF6 is not an OS, it is a software package. It comes with a ready-to-run AmigaOS. AmigaOS only runs on Amiga hardware, so you need an emulator like UAE to run it on PC hardware. UAE is contained in the AF6 package, too.
If you boot from the CD, the first OS started is Knoppix. It is an OS which runs on PC hardware. Knoppix then starts UAE and UAE runs AmigaOS. All of this is contained on the AF6 CD, no other package needed.
If you have Windows installed on your PC, insert the AF6 CD and the launcher will pop up. You can then choose different configurations for WinUAE and WinUAE will load and run AmigaOS. WinUAE and AmigaOS are contained on the CD. The CD contains AmigaOS1.3 on ADF files and a mix of AmigaOS 3.1 and 3.9 in directories used as harddrives in WinUAE.
Concluding the CD contains almost all you need. There are even some applications on it (PPaint, DOpus, TurboText ...)
Bye,
Thomas
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elektro_fabius wrote:
I've always said....
If you want an Amiga..buy it...if you want Win..buy a pc...if you want a Mac...buy it....
WinUAE is nice...but is really an emulator...in my opinion is good only for .adf games...
Bye ;)
At ~2Ghz AMD processor*, Deluxe Music 2, Cinema 4D R4.2 runs pretty good on WinUAE-JIT.
*either K7 or K8.
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Yeah, what Thomas said :-D
If you find yourself missing something in the OS3.9 from AF6 (once you've got it running), then there's nothing to stop you getting the full os 3.9 and using that. If you're used to running Workbench 3.0 or 3.1 it'll do everything that could ;-)
Best thing to do now is get your hands on the PC and start using it, once you get stuck in it'll all make more sense!
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@ the thread :
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If you are going to need to run Windows, I have used GriSoft and its very good, but I found a better free for home use virus software, it speaks to you when it has been updated. Definitely recommend, auto update. go to www.avast.com. I did tech support for a high speed internet company for almost 4 years. and most problems were due to Windows OS, viruses, or
sometimes just a loose nut behind the keyboard. HOPE this Helps !!
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Do you live in or buy Morro Bay. My wife and I spend part of our honeymoon there. Nice Place !!
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@ Doug
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@Thomas:
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It depends on the device:
- Input devices like keyboard, mouse, joystick: WinUAE uses the Windows drivers and allows to use the devices as if they were original Amiga devices. Tablets work as a mouse (AFAIK).
- Storage devices: harddisks work through Windows drivers, CD/DVD-ROMs/writers need AmigaOS drivers
- Printers: both Windows and AmigaOS drivers are needed
- Scanners: only SCSI scanners are supported. You need AmigaOS drivers and ASPI for Windows.
- USB: WinUAE does not allow direct access to the USB bus, so devices not matching into one of the above are not supported (e.g. USB scanners).
Bye,
Thomas
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As a lurking, I have to agree with the WinUAE concenses, it's the best so far. I tried the Linux based solutions and they are a lot of work to get running and are still too limited on what can be done with them (not to mention unstable). I have Amithlon, but due to the dispute between the developers and insuing law suits... it's dead. Doesn't work on most of the hardware combinations out there and it certinaly doesn't work that well on my laptop. For that matter WinUAE 2.8.27 runs dog slow on my 64bit laptop too, but it smokes on my Athlon 2100+ desktop. Ofcourse I asked for trouble buying an e-machine laptop I guess . Anyway, booting from the CD only is not the answer, it needs to run on top of some OS, as has already been said many times.
Regards
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@Thomas ...sounds like there are a few more improvements
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Yeah, it's well developed (so more will probably follow in time), like I said before it's worth getting the latest release, as it's had at least one major update since AF6 went on sale (just install over the current version).
I have to say it feels like a high end '040 or low end '060 (I know, big difference! It depends what you're doing though) on my 1200MHz P3 laptop.
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I have to say it feels like a high end '040 or low end '060 (I know, big difference! It depends what you're doing though) on my 1200MHz P3 laptop.
Are you talking about Knoppix booted from the AF6 CD or about WinUAE running on Windows ?
Having my A4000 with CyberstormPPC 060/50MHz, PPC 233MHz and Voodoo3 3000 standing next to my AMD Athlon 1100MHz and Geforce 400MX gfx card, WinUAE is more a high-high-high-high-end 060 when compared to the real thing.
UnixUAE on Knoppix is certainly much slower, because it lacks the JIT engine.
Bye,
Thomas
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Amiga forever is all you need. I run it on my athlon 64 rig it works great you dont need anything else at all, period.
Good, I'm hoping my prescott 3.0E "pimp-rig" will be enough to run AF6 w/out Billy G's evil aura in the box.
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@Thomas - This is WinUAE under XP, when I do stuff like convert a large-ish JPG under PPaint. About 4 years back you could guarantee WinUAE on a 200MHz Pentium would be almost dead on A500 speed, but the JIT (and AGA/040 emulation) have come a long way sonce then :-)
As for AF6 being enough on it's own, thats good to hear - how easy is it to sort networking, display etc?
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Good Grief. If you already have an Amiga, ust get your AMD and load up WinXP. Download WinUAE, read a few instructions, use transdisk to get your Amiga OS across and get WinUAE to make you a 512Mb hardfile. Use WinUAE to set up your Amiga as you want it, put your OS disks in the WinUAE floppy drives and format your hardfile and install the OS to it. Enable BSD socket library, download LHA, MUI and AWeb2 off of Aminet, and put these files in a blank directory, and go to WinUAE's harddrive page and add said directory as a hardrive. Use WinRAR or something to extract Lha from the archive into that directory so you can use it to extract the other files.
Each time a program needs certain libraries, just get them off of Aminet and stick 'em in the directory hard drive. Before you know it, you'll be online from your Amiga, downloading RTG, games off of Back to the Roots and appreciating that your PC is much more Amiga than your Amiga ever was, and cost you a fraction of the money.
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One thing included in AF6 is 'Amiga Explorer' which is dead handy for transfers from a real amiga ...
BTW the LHA archive on Aminet is a self-extracting one, so no need for WinRAR. Also OS3.9 includes 'unpacker' which does LHA LZX and so on (and is nice and easy to use).
Wibbly - remember that AF6 includes all the ROM files (including the CD32 one), so you get peace of mind that you're working legally, and it gives a head start on configs :-)
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lol, sounds like the learning curve is starting :-)
Might be a good idea to start a new thread should you get stuck again ... most problems that people new to Amiga emulation have are down to knowledge of Workbench, as you've already had an amiga you should find it much easier!
Anyway, hope you're enjoying yourself :-D
BTW Make sure you set Windows to auto-update BTW, there's always something new trying to get in (had about 70 PCs get Agobot at work here). If you do web browsing in Windows (under any browser) get yourself a copy of Spybot (http://safer-networking.org) as it saves the smaller bugs from coming in.
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@Holley ....forgive me (in advance) if this is not the 'right' forum to post my question in
when I try to download Mozilla in AF6 , it needs an OS?
how would I go about this ? Linux? ...or XP? Also when I try using A-Web in AF6 it constantly 'reloads' to window ... well at least for 30 seconds or more , each time ...why is that?
trinity
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Mozilla isn't available for Amiga (yet), so it can only be used under Linux or Windows.
As for AWeb, download the latest PL (public license) version (sorry, can't remember the site) - it's on 3.5.01 Beta IIRC, and works much better than the trial 3.4 version that comes with OS 3.9. It's not ideal, but works fine for me here (or at least it will when I've got time to sort my SSL woes, can't get into my email!).
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Holley ...I can't even seem to download amiga.org.on AF6........without a lot of blitter ??
maybe should just use AF6 for graphic apps? my Peg is coming soon ...smiles.
trinity
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@trinity:
Have you edited all your postings in this thread to blank postings?!? Or am I just *not* seeing things which really are in place :crazy:.
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@odin
they`ve been blanked...
[But, can you not mind read?]
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Anyway, my experience with running amigos on my AMD has been always positive, so much so that i find myself mostly using that system instead of the `real` amiga!!!
Though, i still find that the sound output not quite 100% and certain `incompatibilities` with the usual programs that i run.
My one tip for all beginners is to install the P96 package that comes with AF6/WinUAE, it`ll just improve/speedup the graphics soooo much, that it may travel backwards in time...
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that so many "intel outside" / other anti-MS people use ... tadaaaa Windows.
I don't recall my AMD processor sporting an "Intel Inside" logo...
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For that matter WinUAE 2.8.27 runs dog slow on my 64bit laptop too, (SNIP)
Probably issues with WinUAE**'s CPU idle detection system...
**0.8.21.R4 introduces "CPU idle patch (no more 100% CPU usage)" feature (I rather have 100 percent override). Sometimes, this detection system causes WinUAE’s CPU percentage values to stay low(e.g. <10 percent)(even IF one do something within emulate ecosystem) thus, slowing down emulation speed.
I have experience this issue with 0.8.27 and 0.9.9Beta1 (occasionally, but rare). I use WinUAE 8.21.R3 as reference.
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@Trinity
If it 'flashes' in black it's probably due to AWeb3.4, the beta of the public license AWeb 3.5 is downloadable (sorry, can't remember where from) and that works much better.
As for speed problems, on Laptops check the windows priority and CPU throttling settings, I'm using WinUAE .8.27 on a 1.2GHz P3 and it flies along :-)
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Holley ::.no trouble with the speed , very fast system , but if i could fine AWEB 3.5 , life would be better ...since i can't at the moment , i have to login here in XP, as when i do in AF6 . it won't even post to amiga org.... well something has to done here ... ever since my accident ...and subsequent tramua's ..brain concussion(s)3 of them, it can be very hard to focus ... and the meds don't help either ..pain killers and opium patches... but i still persist ...at least the 1.3OS and it's apps work ...
can't seem to download AF6 updates from AWEB or even hold it in for the AWEB updates ...I know i'm missing something here ...just can't sort it out ... maybe I need a "MAP" lol
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@Holley ::
OK just tried aweb again ,this was the message :
ERROR
while retieveing URL: x-web: http://aweb.sunsite.dk
Invalid internal(x-aweb) name "http://aweb.sunsite.dk
Trinity
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You'll get there in the end I'm sure. AF updates would be designed to be saved and run under Windows BTW.
It's alot of learning, I'm afraid many Amiga users forget just how much stuff there is to it! (BTW it's no easier trying to emulate a PC without any prior knowledge of them ;-))
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holley :: well i did have and modified a 3000tower ...so i not a gringo to amiga ...Is that the right addy for aweb3.5?
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Holley :: I did get aweb 3.5 downloaded ...into ram , and i'll also need some 3.4 info but Ram is full , so managed to create a drawer for all of the aweb dnlds.. But message is "unknown datatypes" for aweb 3.5 when i open it ?
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It doesn't really matter where you download the .lha archive to, as long as you don't lose it ;-)
Under the full OS 3.9 there's a program called 'Unpacker' that will help with archives (I find it indespensable), but if thats not on the AF6 version of 3.x you'll need to get a program to unpack archives - the command line version can be found on Aminet (ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/arc/lha150r.run is a self-extracting version), you'll need this for all kinds of stuff so it's worth bothering with!
It's run from the shell, so you need to work out how to use it ( - there are free graphical front ends for it, but they have to be downloaded as an archive, in a catch 22 kinda way.
(Have a look here for some handy tips - http://www.amigarealm.com/archives/thisoldworkbench/html/towb01.html)
When you unarchive the 3.5 file you'll see a new drawer, and within it the installer program (it can be installed over the top of the old lite version).
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I would like to comment that WinUAE has been very stable and very very usable under windows XP..
I just bought a new laptop computer an HP Pavilion ZV5260us which has 512MB RAM a dvd burner and an AMD Athlon 64, 64-bit x86 compatible processor.. It also has a 15.4 HI DEF widescreen 1600x1050 lcd display..
Recently I installed the preview program release of Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit edition.. Anyway after reading this entire post I decided to try out WinUAE (32bit) on the preview release.. I also have direct x installed on it..
Well I have to say three things, it's FASTER than I have ever ever seen.. I had to fool with the CPU flags but in 64 bit mode running a 32 bit app thru WOW it's AMAZINGLY FAST.. Under 32 bit XP I notice the windows redraw even at 1600x1050 resolution.. On XP 64-bit it's not the case anymore at all you cant see redraw or refresh at all. Sound and video work and everything amazingly well..
Although it's not a 32 bit app running it in 64 bit seems to improve the performance greatly. I am going to benchmark in a follow up post..
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Sorry Trinity, I was just trying to cover every angle, and I've been posting at the same time as you so there's been some serious overlap!
Provided you get into the archive it should install in the normal fashion :-)
Donny - my guess would be that the speed increase is because Windows background processes can use the 64 bit, so get out of the way quicker ;-) So there is a good reason for 64 bit after all, lol ... on my old P3 1200MHz at 1400x1050 I don't have any redraw issues though, it might be worth checking your graphics card drivers if you have to go back to 32 bit.
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Holley ...thank you for all your tech help and polite insights , I'll try again ....but the truth of the matter is that i'm losing precious time 'fiddling around' trying to reinvent the wheel here .......... my experiences have been with rendering, drawing and image processing , and to that end because of my work as a fine artist ie: oil painting , etc... the amiga is (was) a great asset in saving time in sketching and modeling ...as opposed to wasting costly oil paints and clay... because I could go to the "final work" painting on real canvas with real oils ...
The AF6 was a shot at trying to emulate my old 3000t , but all this tech. and trial and error is beyond my scope of expriences and with no results ..I can see everyone here is very qualified and subsequently even your chat is far beyond my expriences and comprehension of the simplest tasks... I'll try again ...and see if this yields results ....otherwise it's Literally "back to the drawing board ".. thanks ..
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ok, good luck - if you could find someone to do the config for you then once set up it would be a good A3000 replacement and you'd save the stress ...
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holley...I haven't the foggest idea of whats going on and everytime i download a packer or unpacker it always come up with the same message about an unrecognizable file ...so ... i think i'll stop while i'm ahead and wait for the real Amiga or Pegasos ...if you know anyone who would like to purchase this AF6 CD , I will sell it ...btw ...i can resell it ? .... just leave a pm in my box here at amiga org......thanks
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You could put in Amibench.com I guess. There's gotta be some reason it's getting in a muddle, sorry I don't have any suggestions :?
Have you tried downloading using Windows then openning it from a directory set as as a harddisk in UAE?
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holley ..:: I think if i had a manual , at least for this Dopus , I could get it together... but ... I'm just so confused , as I have missed many yrs., since i did any amiga apps..... I don't understand why I cannot Unzip and files?... I had downlded 3 LHa and 3 unzip files ...but I seem to come up with the same "unreconizable file ".... error ... I even managed to download TVPaint ...but It won't open either ... I know its just something small i'm missing ...
best to wait for a new Amiga or Pegasos ...and btw ... I had a MacG4 in 2001 (to use) ,it was a very nice system ... but the new ones are just to pricy ... but it did work well and i could easily run the apps... Abode , coral , etc... just like my old Amiga 3000 ...it ran very nicely ...And on this AMD , I can see the speed advantage and know if i could roundup some 3.1 manuals i'd be fine ...maybe i should just buy some new apps (Amiga) but I'm afraid that they wouldn't load ???
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@Trinity
I'm confused. What happened to the text of your posts?
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Hi weirdami :: ..re:posts .. i received a 'complain via pm ' that the posts were in the wrong forum(s) so , not to offend anyone , i deleted the one's previous to the complaint . I'm very sorry .. really I was under the impression that Amiga.org forums were user and beginner friendly ...perhaps i assumed too much? ..Needless to say i'm rather turned off by a responce from a member who was not even a 'Moderater'. and now i'm reluctant to post anything ,,,jeeesh ..it's a bad scene when the Amiga folks are so freaky.. well, only some of them. In all fairness I really needed the help and Holley and Thomas were very forthcoming with information. If a person can't find help in this forums ...Just what is the purpose of the forums ... not everyone 'shoots up' amiga everyday ...even if we could , there are other responsibilities that must be tended to... So , please accept my apology for the deletions ......i feel bad enough being rejected here ..much less feeling guilty too... smile.
thank you for your inquiry....
Trinity.
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Are you not overreacting a lil' bit? No one wants you to leave the Amiga Scene- I'd say that the majority of us want to help each other out. So someone said that you are posting in the wrong board- it's not the end of the world is it!?
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Trinity - most all messageboards take a little settling in, and most of us are willing to help (though most use real Amigas so can#t help with UAE specific stuff).
Aaaany way, I'll try breaking down un-archiving stuff for you -
Step 1 - Download the LHA .run file
2 - run it from the shell
3 - copy it to 'Workbench:C' (so it can be run from anywhere)
Thats LHA installed, next:
1 - open a shell & navigate to where your archive file is
2 - use LHA to extract the archive (I use RAM:)
3 - go to where you extracted the archive to, and run whatever install script is needed.
Let me know how far you've got on this lot so far, and I#ll talk you through in more detail :-)
OS 3.9 has a graphical front end program called Unpacker thats does the extraction with a couple of mouse clicks, I don't know if AF6 includes it.
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i received a 'complain via pm '
And why do you care so much about it ? Private mail means nothing.
If a moderator advises you to stop doing something, you should do so in the future. No need to remove old posts, the moderator can do it himself. If he doesn't, the posts are not as offending as you think.
If someone else (not a moderator) sends you a private mail, this is his own opinion and you are free to have you own, even if it is the exact opposite. There is not even the need to react.
However you should try to make your posts more readable. What you are currently practicing here is not the correct format. Perhaps this page can help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
You should read it thoroughly. If you follow it, nobody will ever complain about your posts again.
Bye,
Thomas
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@Trinity
If you're trying for Lha you might want to try the old version (http://us.aminet.net/util/arc/LhA_e138.run) since some newer versions have issues with processor cache.
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Thomas wrote:
However you should try to make your posts more readable. What you are currently practicing here is not the correct format. Perhaps this page can help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
You should read it thoroughly. If you follow it, nobody will ever complain about your posts again.
Just should mention, ESR is a bit elitist about some things, and that particular document is one where he really lets it shine through. It has a lot of good points, just try not to get the idea that we are all holier-than-thou geeks like ESR :-) Worth a read though.
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Holley :: thank you it worked like a charm .... Thanks for all the good advice
bye
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:-? I was expecting you'd need some more desciptive help on at least one part of that! But if thats what was needed then great :-)
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holley:: as a matter of fact there is another item .. i found 2 more cd's that came with AF6 ..Aminet 16 December96 and Amiga CD32 insight technology so i'm investigating how they fit into the overall scheme of this emulation...The downloading of the A-web was working but still have some new questions ,but can work through it.. thanks again.
Also read the recommended ground rules for addressing the forums ..all good requirements ...
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hoakey doakey - Aminet will just be a collection of the (then) current files (as can be found on us.aminet.net), so should be handy!
Not sure about the other, unless it's of some use for the inbuilt CD32 emulation that WinUAE includes.
Anyway, I think your next question will warrant a fresh topic ;-)
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@Trinity
I bet you ordered your AF6 through Software Hut. They are including those CDs because they are probably not able to be sold due to age. My last order I placed with them, I got some Aminet CD (forget which) and uh...Guiness Book of World Records for 1994 I think, for CD32. Free.
So they don't necessarily have anything to do with AF6 unless you wanted to give them a shot with WinUAE.
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@DonnyEMU
In an X64 ecosystem you have 16 general purpose registers for the OS to play with. Thus it may entail some increase in efficiencies e.g. Less ISA load/store activity.
(even if you factor in micro-architecture improvements such as register wheel and extra micro-code registers).
The post-RISC core would be able reach near its full potential due to some clean-up in the ISA.
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hi why does this window keep refreshing itself everytime i hit a key for a message?...trying to install Amiga Forever #6 on a pc ,until i can get an old 3000 to work ... but this is rather complicated also , i read your instructions and tried to download various un-archiving files but they all want to go into ram , with of course is full. So is there a way the ask the file from the website to go to a certain place in AmigaForever#6?
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hi why does this window keep refreshing itself everytime i hit a key for a message?...trying to install Amiga Forever #6 on a pc ,until i can get an old 3000 to work ... but this is rather complicated also , i read your instructions and tried to download various un-archiving files but they all want to go into ram , with of course is full. So is there a way the ask the file from the website to go to a certain place in AmigaForever#6?
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hi why does this window keep refreshing itself everytime i hit a key for a message?...trying to install Amiga Forever #6 on a pc ,until i can get an old 3000 to work ... but this is rather complicated also , i read your instructions and tried to download various un-archiving files but they all want to go into ram , with of course is full. So is there a way the ask the file from the website to go to a certain place in AmigaForever#6?
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hi why does this window keep refreshing itself everytime i hit a key for a message?...trying to install Amiga Forever #6 on a pc ,until i can get an old 3000 to work ... but this is rather complicated also , i read your instructions and tried to download various un-archiving files but they all want to go into ram , with of course is full. So is there a way the ask the file from the website to go to a certain place in AmigaForever#6?
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hi why does this window keep refreshing itself everytime i hit a key for a message?...trying to install Amiga Forever #6 on a pc ,until i can get an old 3000 to work ... but this is rather complicated also , i read your instructions and tried to download various un-archiving files but they all want to go into ram , with of course is full. So is there a way the ask the file from the website to go to a certain place in AmigaForever#6?
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hi why does this window keep refreshing itself everytime i hit a key for a message?...trying to install Amiga Forever #6 on a pc ,until i can get an old 3000 to work ... but this is rather complicated also , i read your instructions and tried to download various un-archiving files but they all want to go into ram , with of course is full. So is there a way the ask the file from the website to go to a certain place in AmigaForever#6?
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@Holley
"With WinUAE you can replace 'Explorer' as the system shell, and boot straight into UAE, bypassing the frontend menu (after getting it all configured that is!)."
Could you explain how and preferably what exactly we'd see when booting XP so modified?