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Amiga.org specific forums => Amiga.org Discussion and Site Feedback => Topic started by: Starke on January 25, 2007, 01:36:09 PM
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Dear Amiga.org,
I think we should setup an Email listing to all those who actually wish to Support Amiga. What you say, whats this, let me explain:
This email listing will then go straight to Amiga Inc and Hyperion, its like letting them know, and making them aware of really, how many around the world would Appreciate the new OS4 and Amiga computers to run this new Amiga standalone Operating system(OS4).
If possible, so I dont have to search for every Amiga site like this out there, we should get into contact with as many Amiga sites that are like yours, and do exactly the same thing, email listing of interest.
Imagine how many people,: the two joint companies,(used to be 4 or 5 joined together with Amiga Inc)would surely start to realise that there is still a market out there for them.
This is half the battle, I bet you Amiga Inc and Hyperion are thinking its an extremely small market, but in reality its not that small yet.
It will be if we dont act on it now. I think this is literally the last shot, before even Amiga Inc and Hyperion decide to Can it, then Amiga will Be canned forever.
Right now it isnt totally canned, thats obvious from what Ive read on the Hyperion website, but anyway, This is just one of the many measures that we should take, asap!
Thank you
Kind Regards
Phillip 8-)
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By the sale of the previous A1's I'm sure they got a clear picture of how many or little people were interested.
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But surely this time, everyone on this site and other dideicated Amiga sites for Amiga users, the users themselves would be able to email the company directly also, and tell the companies what we want.
its a clear cut case of, a lot of Amiga enthusiasts, who simply dont want to Have Amiga comeback in any way shape or form, coz if they did, they would've bought the A1's just coz they could, in support Of the name Amiga, and for Amiga Inc and Hyperion to start thinking seriously about Coming back onto the market.
So if what you say is true, which I have no doubt that it is, then why the Fuk do we all even bother keeping any AMIGA.
WE ALL ARE EITHER AMIGA NUTS AND WANT NEW STUFF FROM THESE TWO MASSIVE COMPANIES, OR WE DONT. IF you dont, then dont bother doing anything AMIGA. Thats what I say.
Besides, overall, I still think we should have the email listings, and to do it this year, before April even, or May, or sooner the better.
Then we will see who really is an AMIGIAN and who really wishes for AMIGA to make new OS and software, hardware, computers, and everything else under the sun.
Cheers
AND SUPPORT AMIGA OR GO TO WinIntel.org or whatever.
Thank you for having an open forums, and I only mean well for Amiga Inc and Hyperion to finally place the OS4 with the new Amiga computers onto the market asap, for all Amiga users current, and to potentially grab others new to the Amiga market. 8-)
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WE ALL ARE EITHER AMIGA NUTS AND WANT NEW STUFF FROM THESE TWO MASSIVE COMPANIES, OR WE DONT. IF you dont, then dont bother doing anything AMIGA. Thats what I say.
I believe there are hundreds if not thousands of Amiga users who are happy with their old Amigas and not interested in the new stuff.
Besides, overall, I still think we should have the email listings, and to do it this year, before April even, or May, or sooner the better.
Try Team Amiga mailing list. Post yuor thoughts there and ask what Dave Haynie thinks about it (he is active regular on Team Amiga).
Team Amiga (http://www.freelists.org/archives/teamamiga/)
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Starke wrote:
This is half the battle, I bet you Amiga Inc and Hyperion are thinking its an extremely small market, but in reality its not that small yet.
Evidence clearly points into the opposite direction, both companies seem to belive they are sitting on a treasure (and are blocking each other from opening it) while they are really just sitting on an old banana-box.
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Are you all INSANE?
I dont think there are many Amiga people on this site who actually want newer and better Amigas, but are truly stuck in the past.
If this is the casde, then no wonders Amiga isnt 2nd yet.
Common guys, surely not everyone here is OLD!!!!
And even if most of you are, If you really thought long and hard about it, you would all be in support of a new Amiga COmputer with New OS4 and Amiga orientated programs and software and game goodies.
BUT NO: ALAS: It seems most of you on this site are stuck, and dont wish to have new Amigas, coz your all afraid that this company AMIGA, now AMIGA Inc with Hyperion their brother, may actually make it to be 2nd best in the world.
Even more so, you dont want this to be the case, coz you'd all rather dream about it.
WAKE UP, FATIGUE KILLS.
Seriously people, Support your Amiga Company, regardles your emotions about it, You know supporting the Current Amiga Inc is a better choice than Bill Gates the DikHed.
All those who hate the man, fuel that hate and proove to him that Amiga Inc isnt finished yet.
HELP AMiga Inc, and you will create a better world for your kids
The youngest guy on this site, in support of Amiga, was born in 88. SO PLEASE, do not assume Amiga has no chance for the younger market.
Cheers 8-)
AND SUPPORT OUR PARENT COMPANY, let them know, make them aware that we do want new and better things AMIGA related.
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O.k. who at the mental asylum forgot to close the gate ?
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TO ITIX,
Thank you for the link, now I will let my thoughts be heard in even more places, and get more people emailing Amiga Inc, and donating 2 dollars every two weeks from their paychecks towards Amiga Inc and Hyperion.
Cheers 8-)
GO AMIGA, UNIX, ETC, anything but Microsoft, Never actually support them, buy from computer swapmeets and make your own computer, from parts not made by Intel, IBM or Microsoft.
Pis Them Off.
Lets all show them that home users dont want {bleep} on their PC's Amiga, Macs.
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It's a case of Helgis-syndrome.
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I wonder what he's been smoking.
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I was born in 81, it was another user who was 88.
So Im fine thank you
I am just true to my values, unlike you, who seems to think hes supporting Amiga by using onw, but I havent seen you talk anything positive yet, just like more than half the people on this site.
I think the moderators and webmaster are awesome people though, for creating such a site.
I like it, openess.
Opinions.
But most of all, a bunch of Amiga people, who obviously dont want to do anything about it, and would rather except an Old Amiga, willingly knowing that the future for Amiga Inc and the potential for better Amiga hardware and the rest, will slowly fade away completely, and yet, most of you dont even seem to care.
So why do you even keep it as a hobby then? pis it off, unless your serious about your Amiga, and wish to have also newer computers and os4 and the rest of it, then go to windows, be a brainwashed fish in the sea, following the rest of the crowd, and stop pretending that your an Amiga fan and nut.
Its the same if your a car nut, like me, Im a toyota man through in through. Yes I like Porsche and a few others, but as I have two toyotas, rear wheel, I support the company, and stay true. I let peole know about the pros, and give them websites so they can find out the cons themselves. SIMPLE
Cheers 8-)
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I thought I'd never suggest this to anyone, but try amigans.net.
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Sorry Clown man,
I couldnt resist this banana comment.
You must have some type of communist thinking there or something?
Where the hell did you get the idea from, i wouldnt mind knowing, you sound like a PC man, totally, anyway, I will work with this.
banana box hey, well, did you ever think of supporting the Amiga Inc and Hyperion, and telling everyone you know, once it finally comes out, that they should get one, and tell them the pros about it. And let them read or find out the cons themselves over the Hyperion website?
Also to note, Amiga OS4 is not a banana box, amiga operating systems are still the best out there for video editing and anything that would normally require severe power from any other type of OS or system.
So when Amiga Inc and Hyperion finally come out with the New standalone OS4 with Amiga computer, the newest Amiga computer, then isnt it fair to say, if the market it towards the right crowd about all its benefits, that they are sitting on treasure??
Also a BIGGER note: will you be supporting the Amiga Inc and Hyperion when the new Amiga computer and OS4 come out In Early April(still need to confirm dates)??
And do you know why they havent come out with Amiga's own PDA's and mobiles that would be running a standalone OS4 on them by now, because most AMIGA nuts like youself arent even getting off their butts do buy them in support.Yet alone telling your friend, mates and others about it, and that it is a good idea to support Amiga Inc.
SO
How can all of you expect Amiga Inc, yet alone Amiga to continue on in ful strength in the future, with already its own Amiga supoorters not even supporting them??
Thank you
Kind regards
phillip 8-)
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Also to note, Amiga OS4 is not a banana box, amiga operating systems are still the best out there for video editing and anything that would normally require severe power from any other type of OS or system.
Haha.
And do you know why they havent come out with Amiga's own PDA's and mobiles that would be running a standalone OS4 on them by now, because most AMIGA nuts like youself arent even getting off their butts do buy them in support.
Hahaha.
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PIRU:
Finally, even you are finally supporting other Amiga users, even those who's desire to help AMiga Inc and the Amiga name, desire being strong, very strong.
Piru:
If enough Amiga users out there here my voice, then more than likely, many may start actually supporting the Amiga properly again.
Thank you for the website link.
You are now seen as some kind of Amiga supporter by me. Apologies to anything that may have been said about the doubt of your support.
Cheers 8-)
And lets all fight with our words to get Amiga Inc and Hyperion into gear and action. Feel free to email them, show your support to the newly found parent company.
Even if this company initially didnt have intention to carry on Amiga, they Obviously still are, even if its not to our liking at the moment.
We just need to help them on this, let them know what would be to our liking, no matter what the odds may be for it to happen, the more people they see in their emails in support, the more likely it'll happen quicker, sooner, faster, better. 8-)
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By the sale of the previous A1's I'm sure they got a clear picture of how many or little people were interested.
Thats not true. The A1's were only on sale for a very brief period of time. If you blinked you missed it. Not all Amiga users had the money to buy one the very second they went on sale. Others just a little too slow to act, maybe procrastinating for an A2, who knows? Also, you have the very recent "surge" of interest with a more than a few "returnees". In other words there was a lot more interest in the A1 than there were sales of A1s. This is natural. Given even just a little more time, I'm certain they would have sold many more A1s. I myself was all ready to buy one from "Mr Hardware" in New York. I called him back two weeks after my initial inquiry, cash in hand, ready to buy a new A1. Instead I got, "The number you have dialed has been disconnected, no further information is available....". Needless to say, I do not own an A1.
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Wow, someone really lost their marbles. :roll:
/ignore.
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Starke,
The thing is... Most of us here never left. We've been in since Commodore went bust. Saw companies come, make promices and then go (under). Almost all of us here, have been around since the current incarnation of Amiga, Inc. Seen all the promices and crap. A few even goto the T-Shirt!
It's been one big roller coster soap opera.
New hardware would be cool, but AI isn't to generous nor seemingly responcive to licencing inquiries. So, here we sit with an OS and no Hardware. It says alot when the Hot new hardware being talked about is a user reengineered A500 (see the Minimig topic).
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Starke wrote:
WE ALL ARE EITHER AMIGA NUTS AND WANT NEW STUFF FROM THESE TWO MASSIVE COMPANIES, OR WE DONT.
Massive?!? :lol: I bet together they could not field a football team!
Pete
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StopTheGop;
Can I keep you bud?
My man, I need someone like you by my side here, amongst all the other negative users.
The more I see your typings, the more I realise your inner feelings towards Amiga. Awesome.
Many of the others here just dont care, but I geuss moderators got a point here, Many might not care anymore, as they think anything new from anyone who takes over Amiga, even the new Amiga Inc, 2000 was it??? will not keep their promises.
But I must say, I am more so disapointed, that not many are actually willing to help support Amiga Inc, or even showing a high volume of interest would help via email?
As your good with your words, can you perhaps explain to me why no one has the heat of a tiger anymore here, to actually give it one last shot?
I mean, I think if we got every single Amiga site like this, to email Amiga Inc and/or Hyperion, these two big companies may see more of a need to help us get new Amiga with new software, and for them to finally use their Big BUCKS for good use, and start creating new quality programs.
In the end, I dont know how to express myself here, so it makes it harder for me.
but thank you once again for sticking up for me at yet, another one of my posts, and giving the guys more realistic information.
YES, yes, I know, I mightened be totally up to date with everything here, But I also know we should help to make it happen.
Cheers 8-)
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@Starke
Do you actually own an Amiga? I can see from your earlier posts that you don't. So... you bought an emulator, then decided to come to an Amiga forum and insult REAL Amiga users - many of whom were using Amigas when you were just a toddler - and tell them to blindly support a company you know nothing about. You call one person a "PC man" and say you hate Bill Gates, but what computer did you use to post that? Windows? I assume so, since the AmigaForever/WinUAE that you bought is for Windows.
(I used an Amiga to post this)
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The A1 launch had a number of problems:
1) PRICE
2) buggy hardware
3) no useable Amiga OS, just a promise of one
4) availability
Now, the OS is available but there is no new hardware to use it on. That equals zero growth.
The hardware that has potential is even weaker than the A1 and still not worth the money as for OS4 to get ported with, a licensing fee will jack up the price to the usual overprice-underpowered levels that turns casual users off.
It's by picking up the casual users that will grow the market. Blue Ocean Stagedy. Follow Nintendo's example. Cheap hardware at a cheap price, let the software differentiate the experience.
In the meantime, AROS seems like the best option. Though in needs to be better organized where development is concerned. Too many people doing small projects and the right (bigger) projects not getting the right priority.
Here's my suggestions for AROS:
1) Make TeamAROS an organized group that decides developmental focus
2) define projects by priority
3) pool the bounty money towards the projects by priority
4) out on a limb idea - go after VC funds and turn into a Red Hat by selling support services for AROS if you insist on the OS being free (like linux), use this VC funding to hire full-time developers and get is 100% useable, then sell support
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itix,
I believe there are hundreds if not thousands of Amiga users who are happy with their old Amigas and not interested in the new stuff.
Spot on. The OP in this thread illustrates why I consider OS4 pundits to be anti-Amiga: the real Amiga isn't something they respect, it's something they want to get rid of in favor of something else which is Amiga in name only.
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Mr_500, pleae dont insult me, I have a 1000 amiga.
I have a friend who has a commodore 64
We both are running emulators. he for years, I just started emulating. But wish to get an Amiga 4000T or Amiga one, 933Mhz, if Amiga Inc fail again to comply with their release date of the new Amiga Computer, which ofcourse will be running OS4.
I have 1345 big ass disks for my big ass floppy drives, external for the Amiga 1000. Ive had it since I was a kid, as dadio was into Amigas.
We both had a lot of good times on it. I loved playing Zany golf with dadio, you see, my farther was actually more like my best friend. Anyway, I still play some games, Mega lo mania, capcom street fighter 2, final fight, hehe, even krystal hammer at times. Ahh yes, and then theres the classic, dungeon master.
Man, also got an external hard drive with built in floppy drive. And another smaller floppy drive, not including the one built onto the 1000. Still have the original keyboard and mouse that came with it. MAN, despite the bashings theyve had they still work, unlike PC shet.
SO yeah, please, like I said, dont insult me, or my heart about Amiga related stuff.
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A tiger in heat?! :-o Imagine the mess that would make!
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The thing is... Most of us here never left. We've been in since Commodore went bust. Saw companies come, make promices and then go (under). Almost all of us here, have been around since the current incarnation of Amiga, Inc. Seen all the promices and crap.
I'm just curious which "broken promises", specifically, have you upset? There was the whole Gateway fiasco, but did you expect sunshine and erudition or anything worth a sh1t to come from a PC company, much less a kept promise? It was obvious Gateway's intent was to harvest Amiga's many patents, nothing more; this is remarkable in itself considering how "un amiga-like" PCs still are today. Other than that I can't think of that many broken promises to be bitter about... Sure, there were some, such as Amiga "DE" for devices or whatever.. I consider that a blessing, not a broken promise; It was a stupid concept from the getgo.
Lots of promises were kept -- delayed perhaps, but kept. We were promised PCI. Delivered. Promised drivers for PCI cards. Delivered. Promised USB. Delivered. Promised PPC. Delivered. Promised OS3.5. Delivered. 3.9? Delivered. Bug fixes (bb1 and 2). Delivered. Promised G4/G5 acceleration + AGP. We'll see.
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Mr_500:
By the way, your post had insulted me a little, as you dont even really know me, and automatically assumed I dont even have an Amiga, when yet, I remeber so many games I used to play on it.
Anyway, that aside, and before you posting, and before I joined, I actually looked at a heap of screenshots, many other webpages, read a lot, I may still be fresh back into the game, but I know what I miss, I miss being happy on a computer, and although My PC is running a 3800 AMDcpu, and a 7900 PCI express card, etc, etc, who cares its not Amiga. My oldskool Amiga gives me more happieness overall.
Now I love playing Oblivion, but at the end of the day, many Amiga games rocked, coz even after you completed them, you'd want to play them again.
Now if you ask me, PC doom, was renamed from the original Amiga game Gloom. But right now, none of this matters, as I wanted to congratulate you.
Ive seen your Amiga 500, and what it can run OS wise, man, I am impressed, infact I dare say, you were the one who inspired me to come out of my shell, and get back to what my heart desires, and my heart is hungry for Amiga.
So, why dont we all try and Get Amiga Inc to do better, by us, what the users of Amiga want?? Anyone here heard of Email?
I admit, I havent emailed yet, as I am still colecting information here, but all you guys, seem to be technically minded more so than me right now in Amiga world, SO why dont you also email them??
Go on, give it a {bleep}, and before you know it, we have 500,000 Amiga enthusiasts around the world emailing them?? and showing interest!!!!
Cheers. 8-)
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Lots of promises were kept -- delayed perhaps, but kept. We were promised PCI. Delivered. Promised drivers for PCI cards. Delivered. Promised USB. Delivered. Promised PPC. Delivered. Promised OS3.5. Delivered. 3.9? Delivered. Bug fixes (bb1 and 2). Delivered. Promised G4/G5 acceleration + AGP. We'll see.
They have nothing to do with Amiga Inc. PCI busboards, USB, PPC accelerators and all other hardware was done by other companies. 3.5 and 3.9 was not developed by Amiga Inc but under license by Haage & Partner.
Amiga Inc did nothing else except made party pack promises where AmigaDE SDK purchaser gets $50 discount from OS4. Or something like that, nobody remembers it anymore and new Amiga Inc is not going to honour promised discounts of old Amiga Inc.
If you look into history you will find out that Amiga Inc was sold to KMOS few years ago and KMOS later on renamed themselves to Amiga Inc.
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@Itix
That was kinda my point, that all of this occurred despite Amiga, Inc., not because of them.
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@ starke
I love the Amiga however I have no intention on purchasing an 800 dollar motherboard. Only the truly dedicated take such a step and those seem to total around 2000.
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OK, so Kmos, Amiga Inc, Amiga itself, Gateway, and the one before Gateway who bought Amiga when they first went bankrupt, all had one thing in common, none of their supposed supporters actually told them, via telephone, email, post, card, anything of the sort, and if there were some, not enough to create a ripple in the water, about WHAT WE ALL ACTUALLY WANT!!!
SO
Why dont we do it this time round, just once, every single one of us on this site, just once, and then rest the case, and see what happens, how many peole get replies, and what type of replies.
More so, I am going to try other forums users about Amiga, to do the same. And maybe, If we all think logical about it, If they get enough postings, letters, emails so forth, we start seeing a change, a new lease on the Amiga worlds life, but like this, we might as well hang up our brains before we enter any building with a pc in it, and call our IT support staff, to fix a problem that we could most likely fix ourselves on the amiga. (Mmmmm, actually my farther woulda done this back then.)
OK
OK
Cheers 8-)
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Yetihw,
man, not even if it was a whole new computer, you still wouldnt buy?? whats wrong?? you can tell us!!
What would be dissapointing is to see Amiga Inc's downfall if this new system with the standalone OS4 comes out, and none of you buy it, now that would pis me off, and I think Id have to leave it at that for now!!
Cheers 8-)
What Amiga do you own at the moment, I wouldnt want Amiga Mr_500 tearing up a part of u, before he gets to know you!!
(smiles) 8-)
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Mr_500, pleae dont insult me, I have a 1000 amiga.
I have a friend who has a commodore 64
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I have 1345 big ass disks for my big ass floppy drives, external for the Amiga 1000. Ive had it since I was a kid, as dadio was into Amigas.
Well I must have been confused by your post:
"Still, Ive only been back in the game a week and 3 days, and Ive learnt heaps.
Im not twiddling, Ive got a 64, with various Amiga parts connected to it. I know, it takes the large disks nd all, but there are still some games I play on it.
But I dont see a point for me getting an Amiga system right now..."
Wait, I'm still a little unsure. Is it you or your friend that has the C64? Are the large floppy disks for your C64 or for your Amiga 1000? If you really do have an Amiga 1000, then I'm happy for you. (you're still using Windows, though - I'm not)
I hope you realize that Amiga Inc. is totally unrelated to anything that made Amiga great in the first place. It's just a name that has been purchased by somebody.
Example: Imagine that you like Macs. Apple Inc. then has major financial difficulties, goes bankrupt and after many years is bought out by Bill Gates. All staff have left. Some new people are hired part-time. After many more years a substandard beta OS is released for expensive old hardware with no software applications and only poorly emulated support for old software. Would you say, "Support Apple Inc.! Get out there and tell everybody about it!!!11"? Personally, I'd rather play with an old Mac.
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Imagine..... Apple Inc. then has financial difficulties and after many years is bought out by Bill Gates.
Imagine? I thought thats what happened actually happened? :roll:
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Starke,
OK, so Kmos, Amiga Inc, Amiga itself, Gateway, and the one before Gateway who bought Amiga when they first went bankrupt, all had one thing in common, none of their supposed supporters actually told them, via telephone, email, post, card, anything of the sort, and if there were some, not enough to create a ripple in the water, about WHAT WE ALL ACTUALLY WANT!!!
Speak for yourself.
Why dont we do it this time round, just once, every single one of us on this site, just once, and then rest the case, and see what happens, how many peole get replies, and what type of replies.
What part of "some aren't interested in new hardware" don't you get? There's a good number of people out there, maybe even the majority, who don't agree with what AInc. and the AmigaOne Partners have done to the Amiga name.
You really want to support Amiga Inc.? Then go buy their products. You'll quickly find that OS4 is NOT one of their products. You want to suport OS4? Go buy OS4 hardware. lol. :roll:
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Starke
Try to relax and read i bit more from this forum and others before you start ranting.
1. Bashing MS and still using it to play a MS game!
2. Gloom before Doom!
I have been an Amiga user since the A1000 arrived in Norway but still pretty laid back when it comes to OS4.
You see, i have never tried it, seen it or anything.
Unlike you and your likes i like to try before i buy.
You will stick with your Toyotas even if Nissan makes something better and cheaper, Not me.
I use MS and Linux(ubuntu) mainly.
Wish i could say Amiga but that would not be true.
My A4000 is connected and i backup my email and play a game every now and then, that's it.
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Imagine? I thought thats what happened actually happened?
No, he didn't buy Apple, just made a small investment. I meant if Apple went completely bankrupt and was completely bought out. (I'll edit it)
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Firstly I do own the 1000.
Secondly my friend has the 64, but also has a 1200!
Thirdly, If we do support Amiga Inc, then we show initiative, and by showing this, we also show them what we want.
Fourthly, I do not see the relation between apple and amiga here, especially as the Amiga Inc is not directly owned by Bill gates, But Hyperion is helping all three software OS vendors here.
They have helped program Mac os, Amiga os, and Microsofts OS. So does that mean, there are no people supoorting mac company out there coz its owned by Bill gates, NO.
WHY: Because Mac users want to make it evident that they do not want a pc with Windows on it.
Also, the fact that youve just said what you did, indicates to me, that you do not want Amiga Inc, with Hyperion to take their efforts seriously, their efforts being, to try and actually create a new Amiga computer with the New os4. Yes OS4 has been out already, but thats not the bigger picture im highlighting here.
Fifthly:So, I wrote all this on a pc, did you think about me not living on my own here, my pc is quieter, meaning I can talk to you guys now, at 4:17am, Im in Australia remember.
Cheers 8-)
P.S.You must not want a new Amiga computer with new stuff, thats fine, you may be old, but Im not that old yet, and nor is the guy who was born in 88, or for that matter, many other users in there 20's
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Jorkany
OS4 is Hyperion yes?
So Hyperion is joint with Amiga Inc.
Infact, I cant be bothered writing to you, here, read this if you havent already, its 2004 news.
Also, I cant see what would be wrong in supporting a company that is actually trying, or is Hyperion trying harder than Amiga Inc??
Maybe
Heres the link anyway
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=blogsection&id=6&Itemid=30.html
I suggest reading the whole site. 8-)
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ODDMARIO:
Thats just my point, Nissan doesnt make something better or cheaper than toyota at the moment.
But lets not go there! This is a computer forum!
And as for you, you make a point, But a pc has always been worse then an AMIGA.
Check it, I little bit older news:
http://www.polyphoto.com/upchug/AEcastro.html
What the Americans used for spaceshuttles.
Ive also heard they use Amigas for Area 51! But I havent found nor looked yet for info on this.
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Hi Starke, I would like to believe Amiga can be a useful computer again.
I am one of the people who spent years telling friends how Amiga will come back and how good it was. Unfortunately it did not happen and they don't believe me anymore.
What would I like to see now ? I would like to see OS4/5 running on X86. Why ? So we can show people how much faster it is than the bloated DRM ridden rubbish they are running now. Will it happen ? It might :-o
Your problem here on A.Org is that people see you as a born again evangelist preaching to the people that felt the same way 5 or 10 years ago. If you go gently and ask people to sign your petition, I think you might get a lot further :lol:
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Starke
I do not understand you
Now you say you stick with product A because they are better.
Earlier you would stick with them no matter what.
You seems to argue for arguments sake.
Read Homer
He is on track.
Except that preachers ever have bothered with facts.
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Homer:
Lauraine:
Thank you for the tip. I hadnt thought of this, but then, I was hoping for Amiga.org to actually do this automatically.
Actually, I wouldve thought that many sites like this one wouldve come up with this idea, for new users to sign a simple petition.
Oh well, I geuss its true, one must work hard to get somewhere in LIFE!
Interesting commentary though from you, but I dont mind, In one way your probly right, Here I am, been out of the Amiga scene for years, well, in a way never left the scene behind closed doors, anyway, and then I come back, trying to make people understand that we need to do something about this, if we want the resistance, whats left of it, to survive.
Anyway, maybe after some sleep, I will ask the webmaster for some tips on petitioning, or if he could set it up on Amiga.org. Wayne was his name.
OK
Cheers 8-)
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Starke: Get some sleep fella :lol:
Its 17:54 here so it must be the wrong side of night for you !!
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ODDMARIO:
thats true, I would stick with them no matter what, but my latter comments were more to the average user base, who would only stick with a good product.
Truth is, Amiga os4 is an awesome product, just wish we can get to use it soon on Amiga's new computers that they have planned.
Basically, anything beats windows for me, but this may not be the case for everyone.
Mr_500 man: Before u rip into me again, Ill answer your statement you probly going to make, now:
OK, so I am using windows, on my PC, you must understand, there's been a long time of aggony in using this shet, and in the end, I am finally no longer willing to except the flaws of this OS. Hence, It would be nice to not even have to touch windows, and have instead of emulator, an Amiga OS running on my PC, or Amiga one, or new Amiga computer, or MAC, as a standalone OS that doesnt need another OS as a base platform, but can still run pc software, and others.
Now this would be an accomplishment.
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Starke wrote:
Truth is, Amiga os4 is an awesome product, just wish we can get to use it soon on Amiga's new computers that they have planned.
Amiga Inc don't have any new computers planned, they're not a hardware company, never have been. All they want to do is get paid for licensing 'the name' to other companies.
I don't mean to sound rude, but try reading up on exactly what's been going on for the last 5 or 6 years and you'll soon find out why there's no hardware available right now, or why many people couldn't give a {bleep} what Amiga Inc get upto , or why they don't trust a single word Amiga Inc says.
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TheMagicM wrote:
By the sale of the previous A1's I'm sure they got a clear picture of how many or little people were interested.
That they all sold out while there was still demand for more? :-P
But seriousely.. you should also take into account that OS4 was not even finished and that the machines was already out of production by the time that the pre release was out. We should also take into account the hardware problems and how overpriced the boards were.
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and donating 2 dollars every two weeks from their paychecks towards Amiga Inc and Hyperion.
Are you serious? :-o Donating money to the same Amiga INC that has worked against the community during this whole time? The same company that ripped off the community with their coupons and lies?
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We both are running emulators. he for years, I just started emulating.
I think the point was more about you screaming about getting away from microsoft, intel pcs and so on while you still use on yourself as your primary computer? Why are you not following your own advice?
Now if you ask me, PC doom, was renamed from the original Amiga game Gloom. But right now, none of this matters, as I wanted to congratulate you.
Doom was released before gloom... That is why they call gloom for a doom clone. What made this game genre was wolfenstein3d, which was made by the same company that made doom.
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Heh! Good luck with finding the A1000 version of AWeb! Surfing the Internet in orange and blue, there's a novelty! :-)
- Ali
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InTheSand wrote:
Heh! Good luck with finding the A1000 version of AWeb! Surfing the Internet in orange and blue, there's a novelty! :-)
- Ali
Maybe he is one of the lucky few with a accelerator equipped a1000 :-P
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@stark & others with likewise thoughts
probablyh rather contraversial here... oh well... freedom of speech etc...
lets face it... Windows/MacOSX/Linux have won - I am not at all interested in OS4 nor AROS nor whatever other OS.
(criky - even OS4 has no full memory protection)
I just want to have some fun and feel young again with my A2000 - I upgraded to 3.9 and an 060 just because now "I can".
I'm playing with AmiKit on my pc and with a plain UAE trying to get it working on a Sun Sparc SunBlade 2000 (not much succes for now - seems x86 is the best/only bet)
Will I be getting more Amiga stuff ? Well I have a C64/3d coming my way and I hope a working network card soon.
Will I be surfing the net with the Amiga ? NO... I do that with a modern FireFox/Opera supported box. Am I using AmiAIM ? NO.. I prefer a client that can actualy download my buddy list. I'm posting from a wireless 400Mhz laptop right now - try posting from a real amiga from your sofa...
So stuff your crusade and stuff Amiga Inc/Hyperion/OS4. I'm sooo not interested.
Nothing personal mind you - I'm just a tad more realistic then a lot here :-(
ta
Tom
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Just buy a Pegasos!
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Oh good! Another newbie user on a one-man crusade to save the Amiga via a messageboard. Good luck!
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Tomas wrote:
InTheSand wrote:
Heh! Good luck with finding the A1000 version of AWeb! Surfing the Internet in orange and blue, there's a novelty! :-)
- Ali
Maybe he is one of the lucky few with a accelerator equipped a1000 :-P
Ah, the 1.3-compatible AWeb (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1862) should do the job nicely in that case!
- Ali
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When I pound my raw skinned fists upon the concept of Amiga INC, i see the red and white checker pattern of my very own blood upon the concrete.
(http://koft.net/pix/dh.gif)
Props to AROS
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Doobrey:
I know they arent a hardware company ning nong. All of Amiga Inc's stuff is outsourced. Go get real, I fully comprehend that al what Amiga Inc are doing is outsourcing other companies for the things they need.
QUESTION:
Would they be doing this if they had the support of AMIGA USers?
I have nothing more to say to you.
Talk to Stop The Gop or someone in this field, I cant be bothered giving my time and effort on this keyboard towards someone who assumes shet about me.
That goes for everyone out there Assuming things about me that arent entirely true.
Cheers 8-) And enjoy your day if you can!
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Tomas:
You must not quite be there, I am as many, forced to use this stuff, as Amiga have not released any new Computers, more so, I dont see any of you finding ways to make this happen, instead your all willing just to live in your own little worlds, and accept the way it is.
Whats wrong with all you guys, I know if we all helped eachother to work out ways that would Help Amiga Inc become bigger and better, and something more of an Amiga company than it is now, we wouldnt have to be writing certain things in the forums anymore.
Is everyone gonna help eachother to help Amiga or what?
8-)
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Nostalgiac:
reality is, Bill gates did something illegal. But he continued his dream, although everyone was stopping him, and wanting to stop him. In the end, he wasnt even allowed to make a public display of windows to the world in that one point in time.
But he did anyway.
And because he did do this, he ended up risking his career and his livelihood, as he couldve been arrested at the time, but they decided to let him talk in the end, thinking not much of it at first.
But you see, he was so cionvinced that hes product was better at the time, and we all know how bad the first windows was, that he somehow managed to gain hearts to try it, you see, many people thought Amiga was only a gaming machine.
This is where Amiga at the time fuked up. Amiga couldve taken the business world by storm, instead, at that time, Amiga didnt give the business world any reasons to have an Amiga.
So, this is where Bill gates and his beloved pc platforms started making some business. And before you knew it, he was rich enough to practically give PC's and his windows os away to schools across the world.
And then, all other type of computing companies were fuked up the ass already, not even including Amiga demise within its own company.
But for you to support Microsoft,and actually enjoy doing so, means you are a nob. I dont really want to support microsoft, so Im trying to somehow find ways to Make Amiga big enough to be recognised as a formadibble option for people to buy
And here on an Amiga ciommunity, its already hard to get posiitive feedback, so imagine trying to win hearts over that arent even Amiga orientaed, yet alone know what it is.
And as you said in your last post,
Nothing personal mind you.
Cheers and have a great day! 8-)
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NO Fast MEM:
Its not a one man crusade, but anyway, the more people in a crusade, the more chances of a Victory, Surely everybody knows strategy?
Kind regards
Your main man 8-)
Cheers 8-)
P.S.Sounds like your more of a supporter also. Good to see.
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Starke wrote:
P.S.Sounds like your more of a supporter also. Good to see.
:lol: There, you've done it TPG, you've been recruited!
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ODIN:
Although not AMIGA related, I did ask you a question, and I was expecting an answer to it.
Do you know runes, and can you write Elder Futhark?
Cheers
8-)
P.S.Wonder how long this will take to happen!
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I can see a bit of a pattern here.
Stoking the embers.
I have to admit some of the responses are disappointing even though they may be realistic.
I’d love to see a new “Boing” from the new os and hardware. Something no one else can do, a bit of the olde “gotta have it” factor.
I wish.
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I'm waiting for Amiga OS 5.0! :-D
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Sorry to tell you
ARGO:
Amiga os5 may not happen, we will see, depending on sales and support from existing clientel.
SO
It is important to not only get Amiga users to fully support Amiga Inc, which are outsourcing for their hardware, software, so forth, but to try and help me and other followers to find a solution to get other companies to back up amiga and invest also into the Amiga systems and other devices planned.
Kind regards
Cheers 8-)
P.S.Moderator ARGO, A wonderful site here. When does wayne come on?
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OS5? Wasn't that being programmed by a bunch of Indian devs right as we speak now? :lol:
And yes, ofcourse I know runes. I didn't hang on that stinking tree for nothing you know!
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You must not quite be there, I am as many, forced to use this stuff, as Amiga have not released any new Computers, more so, I dont see any of you finding ways to make this happen, instead your all willing just to live in your own little worlds, and accept the way it is.
I actully use Ubuntu Linux as my main OS, so i have infact done more about it than you have. In what way are you forced? Why cant you switch over to linux or mac os?
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or MAC, as a standalone OS that doesnt need another OS as a base platform, but can still run pc software, and others.
Now this would be an accomplishment.
The new Intel Macs can run OS X, Linux and Windows. What more can you ask for. :-)
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TheMagicM wrote:
By the sale of the previous A1's I'm sure they got a clear picture of how many or little people were interested.
Danm... THINK STRAIGHT... That wasnt a complete computer, and no one
without "amiga-nerds" would buy an "not-ready-to-run" computer... Thats
called business... And thats life... Ant THAT market is to small... Amiga and
Hyperion NEEDS marketing and REAL business people... They cant be more dead.! more...
Like releasing a new engine with 4 wheels, but you gotta build the rest of
the car yourself... With that kind of product and marketing, you are SADOMASO
and should just go bankrupt... Then you even deserve it :D
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In the year 2029 the Amiga machines will rise up and take over the world.......
Those great movies were just a prediction as now there is a Terminator here that has been sent back through time by Microsoft to prevent this from ever happening. It cannot be reasoned with, it cannot be bargained with, and it simply will not stop! !
Hang on a minute though....... Prehaps the bad Terminator failed and this is the good one that really is going to make the Amiga bigger than Microsoft ;-)
A4000 Mad
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/Stark.jpg)
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/Copyofterminator.jpg)
EDIT - It has been quiet for quite some time now, so it might be a good idea if you do not post here and bump this thread. Please close the door on your way out and take good care of yourself and your Amigas. C'ya :sleep:
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A4000:
In all seriousness, I am still serious about my Amiga crusade.
But at the same time, taking a couple days off from the computer, to work on my car, and to help my friends, and then to go out with all my buds, should not be seen a crime.
SO
Please do not assume that I havent been busy thinking of ways we may be able to pull this off.
INFACT
I got an idea, why dont you help to come up with Ideas???
Dont be Ignorant MR.A4000. Accept that I am still human. 8-)
P.S. I am a cartographer, so during the week I am consatantly working on a computer, so do not make such comments again.
Im sure during the week, you get less time spent on a computer then me.
I get a minimum dose of 8 hours, thats just work time, then I come home and do this now, as I am thinking of ways to make AMIGA rise.
AMIGA RISE:
I suggest you do the same, or leave all the Amiga forums you may be in, your wasting space. 8-)
What Im trying to say is, if you wanna help, help, if not, then you have no right to judge, as you yourself arent helping the CAUSE. 8-)
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Starke wrote:
Never actually support them, buy from computer swapmeets and make your own computer, from parts not made by Intel, IBM or Microsoft.
Pis Them Off.
Lets all show them that home users dont want {bleep} on their PC's Amiga, Macs.
You do realise that the latest Macs have an Intel CPU?
And that the PowerPC (yes the same one that's on the A1/Pegasos!) was originally developed by IBM?
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Starke wrote:
I mean, I think if we got every single Amiga site like this, to email Amiga Inc and/or Hyperion, these two big companies may see more of a need to help us get new Amiga with new software, and for them to finally use their Big BUCKS for good use, and start creating new quality programs.
Your first mistake is thinking that Amiga Inc or Hyperion want to listen to the community. Your second mistake is thinking that there is some "Big Bucks" behind the scenes waiting to save them.
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Stopped debating this shet for now, im gonna make a final posting, that will probably either last for a long time comming, or fade. Depending on the Amiga community itself.
If it fades, then all of you dont care what happens to Amiga and whether or not htey start thinking of ways to come back.
If it doesnt, then all of my efforts to try and think of ways, is not obsolete, and then maybe we can help.
End post. 8-)
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Giving up already?
So much for the crusade!
'guess I'll have to hammer my sword back into a plowshare, dammit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plowshare
Bye!
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Starke: Why don't you stop winding people up, and try to get an answer from Amiga on which hardware may become available ? We can't buy OS4 and there are no computers to run it on. We have been waiting a long long time.
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Amiga Inc need a rocket up them. OS 4, OS 5. Its been 6 years since 3.9. McEwen being a CEO knows delivery and timing is everything. Once lawyers get involved it always ends in a mess and a waste of time and money...Sad. :evil:
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To all three posts:
Go To AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP.
Its a post I created.
And to the man
QUOTE:
Giving up already?
HELL NO, YOU CAN, BUT I WONT YET NOT UNTIL AMIGA INC or HYPERION tell me they are dumping Amiga forever, and not going to bother about it no more.
BUT UNTIL THEN, Im gonna give a fight. For my friend, AMIGA.
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :madashell:
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OH MY GOD ! ! ! !
Prehaps I am the one who has built the 'A4000 Tower Block' that will develop self awareness in the year 2029 and try to destroy mankind. Had I known that the small fortune and years of continuously supporting the Amiga would lead to this, I would never have done it :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/A4000TowerBlock.jpg)
Yikes! The other 25 of my Amigas have just switched themselves on and aren't even connected to the mains :eek:
A4000 Mad
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Oh. My. Gods. The Holy Stack.
I just soiled my boxers. That is so Holy, I'm getting visions just by looking at that :-o.
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@A4000_Mad
sorry for the OT.
Do you know where to find one of those Amiga/Atari switchable trackball? mine (repaired n times in ~10 years) is gone.
Cheers
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@ Framiga
Sorry but I have absolutely no idea where you will find a new one of those. Of course you will have considered looking on Ebay :-)
A4000 Mad
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That monitor is at about the right height for ergonomic viewing :-o
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A4000_Mad wrote:
OH MY GOD ! ! ! !
Prehaps I am the one who has built the 'A4000 Tower Block' that will develop self awareness in the year 2029 and try to destroy mankind. Had I known that the small fortune and years of continuously supporting the Amiga would lead to this, I would never have done it :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:
You certainly have the right handle :lol:
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HopperJF wrote:
The new Intel Macs can run OS X, Linux and Windows. What more can you ask for. :-)
Said Intel Mac! Pretty please? ;-)
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A4000_Mad wrote:
...the 'A4000 Tower Block'...
Phallic, yet oddly compelling. Crap monitor, though. :-)
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Starke,
BUT UNTIL THEN, Im gonna give a fight. For my friend, AMIGA.
When you start consider an inanimate object as a friend, it may be time to seek professional help.
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:laughing: I only look at the last two or three post on a long thread as well (especially one like this).
To understand my post 9 previous to this one you also need to look at the one 18 previous. To me the the person/thing that started all these new threads looks like the Terminator from the Arnie film in his Avatar, and acts in the same way in that he just keeps coming at us. In case you didn't see it, in the film super computers in the future are given control of the defences of America. They eventually become self aware in the year 2029 and decide that the humans they are supposed to be protecting are their biggest threats as they can switch them off. So they launch atomic missiles at Russia knowing full well that the return fire will destroy the Americans as well (clever stuff). The character Reece in the film said about the Terminator "it cannot be reasoned with, it cannot be bargained with and it simply will not stop". Anyhoo, I don't look too closely at he/its posts but I think in the post 17 previous to this one he accused me of never supporting the Amiga. I refuse to address him directly and wouldn't normally be provoked into giving him/it more posts to feed on, but that kinda hit a nerve.
Moving swiftly on..................
@ Framiga
I hunted and found another trackball mouse but you would have to be pretty handy with a soldering iron to repair it. Send me a PM if interested though mate :-)
@ Karlos
Congrats on passing the 10K barrier. Glad to see that your post counter didn't reset to zero after all. Hey! Your new Avatar isn't doing anything amazing! ;-)
BTW.. That is a really dreadful quality photo and my A4000's are all in exceptional condition. I'm sure Motorollin would not have bought one if they weren't. (Don't worry he has already stated that he bought one from me on this site, and described its condition)
Well it's time for bed in the UK. C'ya :sleep: (on a different thread)
A4000 Mad
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Starke wrote:
Stopped debating this shet for now, im gonna make a final posting, that will probably either last for a long time comming, or fade. Depending on the Amiga community itself.
If it fades, then all of you dont care what happens to Amiga and whether or not htey start thinking of ways to come back.
If it doesnt, then all of my efforts to try and think of ways, is not obsolete, and then maybe we can help.
End post. 8-)
What a {bleep}.
Damn, we really need to tip some chlorine in the shallow end of the gene pool down here.
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@Starke,
From your many posts, it is clear that you have not done much research about what Amiga Inc. has done in the past and that they have offered no proof that they are currently doing anything, besides making it almost impossible for anyone else to get a license to produce a computer compatible with the recently released FINAL version of AmigaOS 4.0. Amiga Inc. appears to be one of the biggest problems for the Amiga community, yet you come to this forum, shouting Rah Rah Rah, let's all support Amiga Inc. better and that will solve all our problems. You don't give any information that would indicate how this is going to help, as Amiga Inc. have not done anything to help the community for the last several years. They have lied, misled, stolen money (coupon and T-Shirt fiasco). Hyperion is responsible for all the work that has gone forward, and now it appears that Amiga Inc. and Hyperion are losing what precious little money each of them may have to put toward Amiga development, by fighting each other in court, where only the lawyers win.
I would love to support Amiga in any shape or form, but there is no hardware to buy that will run AOS 4.0 and I have not seen a single legitimate announcement of any to be released this year YET!
So if you are going to try to get us all to support Amiga, please do it in a way that reflects the reality of what is happening and not base your wild statements on rumors and wishful thinking, and then get your feelings hurt when the rest of us try to wake you up to what is real. :getmad:
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JORKANY:
You name does suggest it all, that aside,
I hang out with my friends, hence, I cannot be on here everyday like you can, I also am currently at work, so I cannot write too much.
Cheers. 8-) 8-)
Feel free to check out my other post AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP, and I will try to find a way to make it happen for all of us.
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It ain't the Amiga that "needs help", old son.
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A4000_Mad wrote:
@ Karlos
Congrats on passing the 10K barrier. Glad to see that your post counter didn't reset to zero after all. Hey! Your new Avatar isn't doing anything amazing! ;-)
They can't all be animated, you know :-)
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srry starke but you are barking up the wrong tree. these things have been done before. they were ignored by ainc. hyperion is more open to ideas but they are restricted by contract. as for hardware i can only assume ainc is the holdup since they must approve them before being declaired as compatible.
you can send all the emails and money you want but short of a complete buyout nothing will change. even then i have my doubts.
:pancake: i want some pancakes. :pancake:
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Starke,
I hang out with my friends, hence, I cannot be on here everyday like you can, I also am currently at work, so I cannot write too much.
Yet you still manage an average of 20 posts per day.
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Jorkany:
Entertaining viewpoint, unfortunately for you, thats not true what you say, I did miss a few days on the long weekend down here, to hang out, go out, go karting, cruising, etc, etc.
So no, not an average of 20 posts a day.
Cheers. 8-) 8-)
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JKIRK:
Its ok, waccon and I have been trying to think of stuff, maybe not all of its been done, people are people, and we always miss something, And I am trying to find out what we missed.
Cheers. 8-) 8-)
People in doubt are usually people in need, but I dont think your in need, so dont have doubts, just think of the possibilities.
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yeah whatever.
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GURU:
When you say whatever, it sounds like you are not wanting to accept that Waccon, Mucker, Me in my own way, and various others like gertsy, have made some valid points along the way of our threads.
Also, people who say yeah whatever, a lot of them are in denial, and I think your one of them.
Cheers mate, have a great day, knowing that things will change in due time. 8-) 8-)
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we getting a few gunslingers around these parts lately..
whats going on!
while your enthusiasm is great STARKE i dont think some of comments are appropriate. The people that have been with the amiga for along time know all too well how hard it is to deal "change" into the community.
So yes mate you are barking up the wrong tree...
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Amino haven't done a thing for the Amiga.
I don't know why you would want to donate to them, they are in partnership with Microfilth. All they do is publish Windoze craplets. Your money will be going into Bill Gate$ pockets, is that what you want?
It's been 7 years now since they bought the Amiga. They have done less for the Amiga than Commodore, Escom or probably even Gateway did.
They should at least allow OS4 to run on generic PPC boxes.
Many people have emailed and/or petitioned them, it doesn't seem to make any difference.
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I agree, the more a study, the moe I find out, not to support Amiga Inc directly, but rather to support AROS, or Hyperion. Ive also found another place that may be worthwhile of our support.
Once can get merchandise and more from them.
http://www.alinea-computer.de/catalog/index.php?cPath=42_44&osCsid=8645d5555cf9e6519e117d38b69ccf88
Thats the link.
Hres another worthwhile link, and you'll all know this one, if your an Amiga fan, then let your pockets loose. lol.
http://aros.sourceforge.net/
Cheers. 8-) 8-)
(it must be noted, I will be needing some sleep for a bit, as work was a little busyish today for my concentration span)
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@starke
when I say "what ever" I mean I think Waccon Mucker and you should be using PM or email. You are the 15th million guy to "save" the amiga and promise me some change.... come on dude, most of us are happy amiga guys already. I have enough amiga gear to fake a moonlanding, no change needed here.
Look I'm glad you dig the amiga... but some questions would be.
How old are you?
How many amigas did you buy when they came out?
How many amiga related companies have you worked for?
what do you have to offer that others have not attempted.
why do you insist on this resurection, what does this mean?
Are you willing to transfer you bank balance to me, if I tell you I will make a new amiga for you?
I use amiga all the time for fun and have several decades experience with computers, you sound incredably naive. I want to like you but you need to tone down the retoric.
Let's start realy slow, like for example, what do you do with your amiga?
(and no more links right now, wyane will wig out, beside we already have them holms. Mk, most of us have spent a fortune shopping for "cheap" amiga stuff over that last 10 years, welcome to the party)
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Thats not true. The A1's were only on sale for a very brief period of time. If you blinked you missed it.
Ya. Tell me about it. I was undecided just long enough to miss the boat.
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@Guru 666
why do you insist on this resurection, what does this mean?
I mean, lets support AROS. I think this would be our best bet, as AROS wishes to stay true more so than Amiga Inc to Amiga users.
Of which, I want a newer Amiga, Nothing against the cool A4000T, my friends got one, but Id rather a ppc 933mhz, which isnt new, I know, but hey, that seems to be the last ones made, and seem to be hard to get one too. A1, I know.
Also, I dont see whats wrong with my thinking, Im sure many users want a newer Amiga, ontop of this, Im sure mayn younger folk, like myself, would find themselves buying a new Amiga computer if and when it finally comes out.
Cheers.
8-) 8-)
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Another note here:
What do I mean you asked, I mean, I know we have all supported Amiga in some form shape or way, But why dont you support an Amiga team thats worthwhile supporting, a team that wants to make Amiga bigger and better,
AROS
Seem to want this in a way. Thats kinda blunt to me, as I can see them still designing new Graphical programs, and other important using type of software.
Im at work, so Ill answer some of your other questions later.
8-) 8-)
AND GURU 666, Im glad you wanna work with me in a way here, thanks for no longer giving me hell over this, but for trying to undersatnd where im coming from.
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Starke wrote:
Seem to want this in a way. Thats kinda blunt to me, as I can see them still designing new Graphical programs, and other important using type of software.
Im at work, so Ill answer some of your other questions later.
8-) 8-)
AND GURU 666, Im glad you wanna work with me in a way here, thanks for no longer giving me hell over this, but for trying to undersatnd where im coming from.
Ah!
I get it!
Pidgin!
"See you Jimmy, where am dat warty-melon?"
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He has a cunning plan. As cunning as a stick in a bucket of pig swill.
Making us Aussie's look great as he boldly goes where too many have been before.
What an awesome thread. One of the most entertaining (if not a little deranged) I have read yet. :lol: :lol: :lol: :boohoo: :boohoo: :-?
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MELANGE:
Im glad that you arent the only one deranged on these forums.
Have a nice nite.
Cheers.
8-) 8-)
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I think you have some great ideas for AROS. I think AROS is a great idea, but as you said, it needs some capital. I think your RED HAT idea rocks.
I hope however, that OS4 can be salvaged. I hope AI doesn't get it as I don't think they will do anything with it. Hyperion got frustrated because they were getting messed with so much. I think we should support Hyperion with emails and find out what really happened before we condemn them. I hate OSX since 10.4. I always thought you should be able to have a quick real time like OS without all the bloat and beachballs. QNX was the best option but stupid Gateway wanted linux. That was foolish. The PPC still has some life. They need to get the powr efficient going. It is a nice chip. Alpha CPU team and other great CPU people working on it. INTEL is competing against apple. IF only OS4 could have come out while first version of OSX was still out. Everyone hated OSX then. It has been the only game in town besides Microsoft. I don't like it. OS4 is better in many ways. Syllable is multi user. It has a long way to go though to be usable every day. Atheos file system rocks, though. Great ideas. We do need to support Hyperion. And in some form try to get Amiga Inc to treat them fairly. Then we can salvage things yet. There is definitely a need for a small, fast OS that can be used everyday. We must try to support them by giving some small amount and trying to help them gauge interest. Let us send them some support on the forums too. They are getting rocked. Let's try to bring them together for the sake of the community if possible.
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We need another 20 question section right now but with some real answers. Maybe we need to band together to raise some capital to buy out Amiga Inc. If we all get together and stop all the insults and seriously work together, we can all get what we want. A small fast OS AND good hardware. Then some great NEW programmers to make a whole new generation of new great games and new killer apps. There are some there working hard with limited support right now. We do need to support the platform. Linux doesn't rock. Neither does OSX. It is only because there isn't much better out there for competition. OS4, haiku, and Syllable and AROS come to mind but we need to get more for them and unify behind the OS. AND hardware. We need to take steps to help. How about making it a priority and get rid of the defeatism. Unless you want to give up like some and just go the status quo route. I don't. I am still and Amigan.We had the best third party devs on the planet at one time. Commodore days. Can still happen.
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@Starke:
Basically I agree with these sentiments, it is nice to see there is still some idealism in the Amiga community. I perfectly understand the pessimism which has pervaded the community in the last 5 years or so, the behaviour of Amino/KMOS has been both incompetent and unethical.
@All:
It is important to be open about the future of the Amiga. Half the problem is that there have always been many people willing to write off the Amiga as a platform, this was a problem even during the 1980s when the mainly US-centric business applications industry ignored the Amiga, and has spread from there. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy to say that a platform is dead.
@yetihw:
>I love the Amiga however I have no intention on purchasing an 800 dollar motherboard. Only the truly dedicated take such a step and those seem to total around 2000.
As soon as an AmigaOne emulator is available you will see the OS4 userbase rise considerably :-) I think such an emulator would be a killer app for the Amiga.
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"How can all of you expect Amiga Inc, yet alone Amiga to continue on in ful strength in the future, with already its own Amiga supoorters not even supporting them??" -Starke
I do not believe it is an Amiga users responsiblity to support Amiga. I think it is Amiga Inc. responsiblity to support the Amiga users, which they have not. This is usually how companies stay in business, by supporting users and collecting the users hard earned cash for products that the users can buy and use.