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Title: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: koaftder on May 29, 2009, 05:39:42 PM
Specifically the string, "SERVING THE AMIGA COMMUNITY SINCE 1994" in that ridiculous army font with the urine yellow color. It's as if my cat, Charlie, escaped from his cage, crawled into the web server and took a piss on the banner. My cat lives in a cage because he pees on my shoes and in the corners of my apartment.

For the love of broccoli and unwashed socks, can this be rectified. Perhaps by using a completely different font, and the color white. Maybe even reverting back to that version of the banner with cursive font.

Also, the site owners avatar should be changed. I think we should be allowed to vote on it. I liked the yoda better. I'm an atheist, not much of a fan of Jesus Christ. Every time I see a post by Wayne i see his Christ avatar pointing and winking at me. It's as if he's saying, "Pick up a bible buddy *wink*, or you're going to hell". This doesn't sit easy with me.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 29, 2009, 06:08:49 PM
hahahaha....

... and someone in the other thread even feigned to suggest that we could all agree on what "the community" actually is...

:laughing:

As for my icon, perhaps you need to see the movie "Dogma" to understand the reference to "Buddy Christ".

:laughing:

(http://www.amiga.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38&d=1243616914)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: koaftder on May 29, 2009, 06:14:11 PM
I know what a buddy christ is, I'm just yanking your chain about that. I love that new banner you posted, you should put that on the main header. The color and font is much better. You had that banner looking real nice, and then you dumped a bizarre yellow font on there!
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: koaftder on May 29, 2009, 06:16:27 PM
Also, my cat: (he likes the font (it reminds him of his handy work) )

(http://koft.net/static/pix/char.JPG)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 29, 2009, 06:17:52 PM
poor kitty.  What'd he do to get locked up?
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: RMK305 on May 29, 2009, 06:20:00 PM
What's the point of keeping the cat in a cage? If it pissed all over the place give it to someone else.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: x303 on May 29, 2009, 06:21:09 PM
Quote from: koaftder;456933
Also, my cat: (he likes the font (it reminds him of his handy work) )


At least someone likes it :banana:
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: koaftder on May 29, 2009, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Wayne;456934
poor kitty.  What'd he do to get locked up?

He urinates in odd places like the bathroom floor, kitchen floor and corners. Always the same places. Solution, a cage. Better than euthanasia. Better than pawning him off on a stranger who would most likely shove him outside. It has no claws and no outside survival skills.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 29, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
go ahead... pick a color you don't like out of that one.. :)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: countzero on May 29, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
you should really get yerself some cat sand and get rid of that cage.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: koaftder on May 29, 2009, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: RMK305;456935
What's the point of keeping the cat in a cage? If it pissed all over the place give it to someone else.

I've tried for 2 years. Nobody wants him, not even the animal hippies. I'm upfront about his problem, that's the problem. I refuse to be dishonest, it's not fair to the person who might take him, nor is it fair to the cat. Maybe I'm a sucker?
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 29, 2009, 06:27:53 PM
Quote from: koaftder;456937
He urinates in odd places like the bathroom floor, kitchen floor and corners. Always the same places. Solution, a cage. Better than euthanasia. Better than pawning him off on a stranger who would most likely shove him outside. It has no claws and no outside survival skills.
Off topic, and I didn't mean to point fingers.  I understand all too well, having three cats.  

[edit. well I guess technically, cat piss is on topic, so go ahead]

Back on topic, would you settle for the tagline brought to you by the rainbow coalition?  :)

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: hooligan on May 29, 2009, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: koaftder;456937
He urinates in odd places like the bathroom floor, kitchen floor and corners. Always the same places. Solution, a cage. Better than euthanasia.


Better how?

Greetz from catallergic
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: koaftder on May 29, 2009, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: Wayne;456941
Off topic, and I didn't mean to point fingers.  I understand all too well, having three cats.  

[edit. well I guess technically, cat piss is on topic, so go ahead]

Back on topic, would you settle for the tagline brought to you by the rainbow coalition?  :)

Wayne

I see what you've done with it, I can live with that! Matches the checkmark rainbow! Cool!
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: orb85750 on May 29, 2009, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: koaftder;456940
I've tried for 2 years. Nobody wants him, not even the animal hippies. I'm upfront about his problem, that's the problem. I refuse to be dishonest, it's not fair to the person who might take him, nor is it fair to the cat. Maybe I'm a sucker?


Well, hopefully he gets out of the cage often for some exercise.  (I care about all animals -- not trying to give you a hard time.)  

Amiga banner looks fine.  We have more important minutia to argue about, don't we? :-)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: x303 on May 29, 2009, 06:49:54 PM
Quote from: koaftder;456940
I've tried for 2 years. Nobody wants him, not even the animal hippies. I'm upfront about his problem, that's the problem. I refuse to be dishonest, it's not fair to the person who might take him, nor is it fair to the cat. Maybe I'm a sucker?


Maybe your locale SPCA want him ?!!

x303 :D :D :D
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Amiduffer on May 29, 2009, 07:58:33 PM
Cool. You incorporated the checkmark colors! Getting better and better.

Come to think of it, shouldn't the Amiga.org be the color of your Amiga after its been yellowed? (if we want to be purists) ;-)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: JC on May 29, 2009, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: koaftder;456933
Also, my cat: (he likes the font (it reminds him of his handy work) )

(http://koft.net/static/pix/char.JPG)


That's animal cruelty! Better dead than caged.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: JC on May 29, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: Wayne;456930
hahahaha....

... and someone in the other thread even feigned to suggest that we could all agree on what "the community" actually is...

:laughing:

As for my icon, perhaps you need to see the movie "Dogma" to understand the reference to "Buddy Christ".

:laughing:

(http://www.amiga.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38&d=1243616914)


Well, I think the banner looks much better. And yes it took me awhile but I'm getting used to the new page now and am simply glad to still have Amiga.org period.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 29, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: JC;456984
That's animal cruelty! Better dead than caged.
With respect, I accept everyone's viewpoints here, but can we please drop the cat discussion (save for private mail) ??

It's irrelevant to whether or not the logo now sucks and it's distracting. :)

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: orange on May 29, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
In my opinion this logo is *much* better than the one before.
Title: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: wurzel on May 30, 2009, 12:01:11 AM
I like the new logo bannere (the latest one, with the rainbow colours).

The only problem is it's difficult to read the text on the right hand side - the blue is too dark.

I have a True Colour screen, if that helps.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: motrucker on May 30, 2009, 12:26:20 AM
Wayne,
     I already posted my opinion in another thread, but with this upgrade - I still like it!
The important stuff (to me) all seems to work fine.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: klx300r on May 30, 2009, 12:34:01 AM
Quote from: koaftder;456921
....Also, the site owners avatar should be changed. I think we should be allowed to vote on it. I liked the yoda better. I'm an atheist, not much of a fan of Jesus Christ. Every time I see a post by Wayne i see his Christ avatar pointing and winking at me. It's as if he's saying, "Pick up a bible buddy *wink*, or you're going to hell". This doesn't sit easy with me.

ahh you aint much of an atheist if a figure of Jesus bothers you??? sounds to me that some one has been to Catholic school ...


btw, I'm not crazy about the new font either thought still like the logo and amiga font
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: dcr8520 on May 30, 2009, 12:49:35 AM
I like it a lot (more than the old, at least :))

Quote from: koaftder;456921
with the urine yellow color.


WTF? those are the colors of the original Amiga logo!

and...IMHO, to have a cat on this way, better to not have cat at all (sorry Wayne, i can't resist)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: cecilia on May 30, 2009, 01:07:49 AM
Quote from: koaftder;456937
He urinates in odd places like the bathroom floor, kitchen floor and corners. Always the same places. Solution, a cage. Better than euthanasia. Better than pawning him off on a stranger who would most likely shove him outside. It has no claws and no outside survival skills.
the cat is being passive aggressive - he hates all the banners made so far and is, literally, pissed off.................






kidding   :lol:
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: bloodmoney on May 30, 2009, 01:10:28 AM
I liked the old retro chunky font, everthing else is fine. And it reminds me of my own Minimig logo. :)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z314/onsitepc/Minilogo.jpg
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 01:13:01 AM
Quote from: dcr8520;457006
WTF? those are the colors of the original Amiga logo!
This is what you miss by skipping school.  :)

I changed the image (almost typed pimpage, which is a whole other freudian ball of wax) which had a yellow tagline to the current "rainbow" one after the original post was made.

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: ZeBeeDee on May 30, 2009, 01:31:46 AM
JEEZUS! that logo looks like some drunk has done a technicolor yawn (puked in case you're not aware) over it

Hurrah! The mobile theme has no such abomination ... will stick with that me thinks :)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Crisisdog on May 30, 2009, 01:49:56 AM
Hmmm.  Not crazy about the military font type logo with rainbow colors, although the tagline phrase itself seems fine.  I though the previous cursive font was better.  I don't know, maybe try the tagline in Topaz?  It's just a thought, that way both sides of the font battle might be a little bit happy.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 01:54:00 AM
How about I just close the whole kittenkaboodle down and put it on eBay.  ?

:laughing:

Would be easier than getting any of you to agree on the simplest of things.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: tone007 on May 30, 2009, 02:07:35 AM
...the ultimate Amiga collectible, an Amiga collective!

Be sure and list the top posters' names in the auction so the buyer knows exactly what they're getting for their money.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: GadgetMaster on May 30, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
Guys, just live with it.

Do you do this on any other site you visit? Do you visit engadget.com and complain to the webmaster that the logo is too big or has "curves" in all the wrong places. :bitch:

I mean honestly!

Get over this whole logo fixation thing and enjoy the bleedin' site.

It's becoming quite annoying now, and I'm not even the one designing it. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 02:30:15 AM
Changed once more.  That's it.  I'm not playing any more  :)

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: RMK305 on May 30, 2009, 03:05:56 AM
This is a little nuts. The logo's fine. I rarely look at it anyway especially as I start reading through threads. I'm sure there are more importnat things that need done than the colour of the font on a banner.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: smerf on May 30, 2009, 04:01:41 AM
Quote from: Wayne;456930
hahahaha....

... and someone in the other thread even feigned to suggest that we could all agree on what "the community" actually is...

:laughing:

As for my icon, perhaps you need to see the movie "Dogma" to understand the reference to "Buddy Christ".

:laughing:

(http://www.amiga.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38&d=1243616914)


Hi,

You have the perfect tagline right there, but could we change the color from blue to green, I like that color

smerf
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: klx300r on May 30, 2009, 04:52:10 AM
awright..i like the one thats up right now :-)...hmm maybe a poll could settle this by all users once and for all???
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: djbase on May 30, 2009, 07:04:46 AM
What about..
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Crisisdog on May 30, 2009, 07:33:27 AM
It's not often that the Internet community has the chance to put their $0.02 in on the redesign of a web site.  Sorry if we're getting carried away, but it is appreciated that our comments are being considered.  Thanks Wayne!

Other than choosing this header, which I still can't stop laughing about:

(http://www.amiga.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38&d=1243616914)

I'm happy with the last modification.  Nice scan-line effect behind the font, give a "retro" feel.  Two thumbs up!
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: ZeBeeDee on May 30, 2009, 10:36:29 AM
/me likes now
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: whiteb on May 30, 2009, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: koaftder;456933
Also, my cat: (he likes the font (it reminds him of his handy work) )

(http://koft.net/static/pix/char.JPG)


To be Honest, I have ELEVEN cats, and I do not have that problem that you have, with one.

Looking at the picture, I would imagine the cat has to LAY DOWN in the litter to do its business.

Do you actually have Litter boxes available around the house for it to go ?, If not, probably why.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 04:08:56 PM
Quote from: Crisisdog;457058
It's not often that the Internet community has the chance to put their $0.02 in on the redesign of a web site.  Sorry if we're getting carried away, but it is appreciated that our comments are being considered.  Thanks Wayne!
I truly welcome the input, because right now I understand that "change is hard" and there are a lot of petulant people on the "I don't like (insert meaningless thing here) so I'm never going back" bus.  Since I take that personally, I tend to try too hard (sometimes) to get everyone involved.

My goal of this whole transition was to keep the site alive and actually move it forward it terms of what I can provide to the community.  I think I've done that with the Social Groups as well as the fact that the forums themselves, from the editor to the moderation capabilities are simply 1000% more convenient.

Unfortunately, those abilities come at the expense of 100% compatibility with Classic Amiga browsers (which only understand 2001 level basic HTML).  As it is with everything in the Amiga community however, that 1% of users bitch louder than the rest of the users combined, and usually, they're not so eloquent as to why they object.

As for the header, Gadget's absolutely right in that "it just doesn't matter".  Point of fact, there will probably end up being 100 headers which rotate randomly for holidays, "Amiga specific holidays" (such as "Lemmings Day"), and so-forth.

Frankly, what frustrates me is that while I understand everyone has a different opinion, we've reached a point in society where we (as individuals) honestly believe that our opinion is both canonical and more important than anyone else's.    Further, that we (as individuals) feel we have the right to openly express those opinions, even when they're not invited or requested. (ala Internet movie critics who personally slam actors instead of reviewing movies).

I screwed this whole thing up by trying to whimsically ask for input.  I forgot that we (as a community) can't even agree on the simplest of things any more, so if I upset anyone (including myself) by my attempts to make everyone happy, I apologize.  Won't happen again.. :)

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Golem!dk on May 30, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Not bad this one, even if the jpeg artifacts hurt my eyes :)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Trev on May 30, 2009, 04:46:13 PM
My two cents: Keep the logo, ditch the "Amiga.org" title and subtitle, and replace it with a message of the day widget. Computer-related quotes would be topical, but we could all do with a little existential quip now and then.
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 04:59:47 PM
Quote from: Trev;457109
My two cents: Keep the logo, ditch the "Amiga.org" title and subtitle, and replace it with a message of the day widget. Computer-related quotes would be topical, but we could all do with a little existential quip now and then.
That's a NEAT idea, and one that I'm digging.  The question is whether Amiga.org has grown as a site so much that the logo is instantly recognizable?  I'm getting the "artist formerly known as" vibe here...

:)

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Trev on May 30, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Wayne;457112
That's a NEAT idea, and one that I'm digging.  The question is whether Amiga.org has grown as a site so much that the logo is instantly recognizable?  I'm getting the "artist formerly known as" vibe here...


:-) Only if Amiga, Inc. refuses to let you use the name. ;-) It's recognizable enough that people have ripped it off, yeah? It's a small community, regardless, and everyone knows the four or five or six active English-speaking forums by sight. If not, the http://www.amiga.org in the URL should (hopefully) give it away.

It might be fun to make the MOTD a hyperlink as well, taking you to a comment thread similar to the ones attached to photos. Or, if the MOTD topics aren't really Amiga related (do they need to be?), you could redirect to a whyzzat.com thread and cross-pollinate. ;-)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: pVC on May 30, 2009, 08:13:10 PM
Sorry to say, but logo looks too messy now. As said, jpeg artifacts jump into eyes and "serving..." text is too blurred. I'd prefer more sharp edges in text to avoid the "old CRT look". And please use PNG or at least jpeg with much better quality setting when saving it :)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 08:27:26 PM
Sorry guys, like I *just* said above, I appreciate you guys have opinions, but I have my own.  It seems to have been a mistake to have let everyone think this was some sort of core democracy where site design goes.

You guys have always written and thereby dictate the content of this site. Let me worry about the layout.

If there's a bug, feel free to report it, but I can't waste any more time trying to draw a firm consensus out of 1000 contrary Amiga users on something that really doesn't matter, like the header logo.

For what it's worth, I don't see "JPEG artifacts" on my 20" mac, or my 15" mac laptop, so I honestly some of you are now just being critical to make yourselves feel better  :)

BTW, the header has NEVER been a .png

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: Wayne on May 30, 2009, 08:48:57 PM
I guess I'm frustrated by all of this, but honestly.  Do you know of ANY other real site which would tolerate FOUR PAGES of "the new logo is ugly"....?

I mean, manners people.  If you have a concern or comment, e-mail me or PM me.  Don't publicly start trash threads just to express your overvalued opinion.  This ain't moobunny ya know.

Wayne
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: dcr8520 on May 30, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
i found this one less "funny" than the previous (rainbow), but it's ok as well, maybe more "pro" (unless by being both text in pure white ;)), no matter... whatever you conscience decide should be ok... :)
Title: Re: New A.org banner is ugly now
Post by: pVC on May 30, 2009, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Wayne;457142
For what it's worth, I don't see "JPEG artifacts" on my 20" mac, or my 15" mac laptop, so I honestly some of you are now just being critical to make yourselves feel better  :)


It's not about the size :) Nowadays TFT displays have so big variety in quality and way they show colors and contrast etc.. I have crappy display which has a bit over brightness and those artifacts show up more easily than maybe on some better monitors with more natural contrast etc. In any case, the red color looks very varying here as well as edges in several places.


Quote
BTW, the header has NEVER been a .png


With that suggestion I wasn't referring to past, but was just suggesting that it could be better as PNG. And still think that PNG suits better for that kind of gfx.