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Title: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 25, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
Sorry for my absence, I've been busy working as a datacenter tech and unfortunately it's been taking up a lot of my time.

Anyways I picked up an SGI Fuel with 4GB RAM, an R14000 at 600mhz, three SCSI drives and a DVD drive. I also have an Octane and a Personal Iris. These all run IRIX which is probably the best variant of UNIX of its time. Not only was it used in a lot of computer animation in movies but the MIPS architecture seems to be the most efficient architecture in terms of mhz vs Flops. According to some bench marks the SGI Fuel with a 700mhz R16000 is equivalent to a 3Ghz Pentium 4. Yes I know that's old hardware but SGI stopped production of these machines in 2006 so it fits.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: SysAdmin on May 25, 2014, 03:26:49 PM
I have two O2 machines and a Octane.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 25, 2014, 03:27:41 PM
Neat!
That is an architecture I've always wanted to explore.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 25, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
Iggy it's definitely worth taking a look at. If you want to get a nice and cheap one look for an SGI O2 or an Octane off ebay or nekochan.net
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 25, 2014, 06:18:36 PM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765035
Iggy it's definitely worth taking a look at. If you want to get a nice and cheap one look for an SGI O2 or an Octane off ebay or nekochan.net

Thanks, I'll take a look.
It would go nicely with my Sun hardware.
I like Unix, Unix derivatives, and RISC processors.
And MIPS is an ISA I have not examined.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: orange on May 25, 2014, 09:02:51 PM
I got two Indigo².
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
I have an old Indigo2 also. I just found the special monitor cable to hook it up. Does anyone know if it will connect to an LCD without smoke? It's been stored for years now. Fire it up again? What do you think...
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 25, 2014, 10:20:17 PM
I just looked up the specs on the SGI Fuel.
Man, you have one seriously nice workstation.
Wish I could find one.
If this is a low to mid end product, what other MIPS based devices did SGI offer at the end of their MIPS production?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: rednova on May 25, 2014, 10:52:34 PM
Hi:
I had a working o2 for one year.
It was slower than my souped up pentium tower, but I really had fun with it.
I really loved it !!!
I used it to render lightwave 3d on it.
It was like a trophy to me, a working nice o2 !!!
I really loved the o2, but now I mainly use a pentium pc.
Love !!!
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 26, 2014, 02:33:51 AM
Jeff,

It won't smoke at all, You may have issues with the picture coming in on some monitors but most monitors support the sync on green protocol it uses.

Iggy,

Onyx 350s are rack mount and on the high end of it, they have up to 1ghz quad cores. Same for the Tezro. If you have the space there are the Origin and Onyx 3000s, bigger than a fridge. Those are clusters. Also most SGIs have craylink which allows you cluster them with a low latency, 3.2 gigabit connection. If you cluster a few SGI Onyx , Octanes or other high end ones you can have a monster of a machine.

If anyone wants one I have one I don't mind selling, but its heavy as hell so shipping is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: huronking on May 26, 2014, 12:48:21 PM
I had a surplus 4D/85 with full-height SCSI's that I had a lot of fun with. Someone bought it at an auction and couldn't use it because of the 30 amp service (with suicide cord) so I got it for free.

Of course the machine was password protected, but as was common practice in that day, for whatever reason, the tape backup had its own account and the password was "epat" (if I remember correctly), which I used to FTP the password file out into a PC and run the brute-force hash program "Jackpot" on, and lucky me, the root password was "tadpole".

I had no idea about the machine's history in the beginning, but soon found that it had come from the U.S. Army's HRED simulation lab in Orlando, and hadn't been wiped. It was full of VR simulation projects in various stages of development, email, notes, etc.

I played around with it for a while, but decided the enormous SCSI drives would be better used on my A2000 since I could afford the electricity to run it. Alas, the full-height drives were hard-sectored and I could not get them to format properly, but I managed to destroy the sensitive data which was just as well.

The irony is that this was 15 years ago, and last month I spent time in modern Army simulators that still represent the work that took place in that junk SGI(with much more capable hardware, of course).

I gave the machine (less the drives) away when I moved and Im sure it got scrapped. I wish I still had it today.
I have to agree, though- I liked IRIX too.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 26, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765071
Jeff,

It won't smoke at all, You may have issues with the picture coming in on some monitors but most monitors support the sync on green protocol it uses.

Iggy,

Onyx 350s are rack mount and on the high end of it, they have up to 1ghz quad cores. Same for the Tezro. If you have the space there are the Origin and Onyx 3000s, bigger than a fridge. Those are clusters. Also most SGIs have craylink which allows you cluster them with a low latency, 3.2 gigabit connection. If you cluster a few SGI Onyx , Octanes or other high end ones you can have a monster of a machine.

If anyone wants one I have one I don't mind selling, but its heavy as hell so shipping is not a good idea.

Where are you?
Sounds like they are RISC dream machines.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 26, 2014, 04:52:20 PM
Iggy,

I live outside of DC in the Northern Virginia area.

I've a Personal Iris 4D/35+ in storage with a friend,that's the one I was looking to sell. It has 64mb RAM, a 676mb SCSI drive and I have a nice keyboard and optical mouse for it. Its about on par with a 486 at 66mhz from what I have seen.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: jlariv8957 on May 26, 2014, 07:20:32 PM
Hi,

Yep, I had an O2, now I have an Octane 2x300Mhz 1Gb RAM, 73GB disk.
I also have a Sun Ultra 10, very good machines.

Just in case, i'm looking for Octane drive caddies.
Thanks
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 26, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765091
Iggy,

I live outside of DC in the Northern Virginia area.

I've a Personal Iris 4D/35+ in storage with a friend,that's the one I was looking to sell. It has 64mb RAM, a 676mb SCSI drive and I have a nice keyboard and optical mouse for it. Its about on par with a 486 at 66mhz from what I have seen.

The 35 MHz  model.
Interesting.
PM me a price.

BTW - What would that run? IRIX 5.2?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 26, 2014, 09:57:13 PM
I dunno where you'd find Octane caddies... you could try Nekochan.net

Also I PM'd you Iggy
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: agami on May 27, 2014, 03:29:58 AM
When sgi a.k.a. Silicon Graphics went under it was a sad day indeed. Almost as sad as when Amiga went under. I know the Amiga + Toaster ate some of sgi's lunch but I always saw sgi as Amiga's big brother, wearing the grown-up pants and all. Plus, for the longest of time they featured in movies because they made their products look swanky.

IRIX was a very polished Unix OS. In the mid '90s I worked at a research facility for a mining company and part of my role was to look after the smallish modelling farm of an Origin server and four Indy II workstations. In 1999 I reluctantly turned down a job with sgi here in Camberwell, VIC (suburb of Melbourne) because I was at a start-up and I had stock options.

Another reason I miss sgi is because they were the purveyor of the MIPS architecture. And like at least one other member here stated, an impressive RISC architecture it was/is. MIPS is continually developed by the Chinese company Loongson. Which is why a few years back I posted on this forum or over at AW.net that Hyperion Entertainment should port Amiga OS to MIPS. All those Chinese academics using it would make for a decent business just by itself. Imagine, we could have been using Lemote notebooks by now. And the Loongson MIPS CPU is waaaaay cheaper than a comparable PPC CPU.

In another universe perhaps.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 27, 2014, 03:34:56 AM
I fully agree we should definitely consider porting MorphOS to it as the hardware is pretty cheap and nice it seems.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Duce on May 27, 2014, 08:27:29 AM
I had a SGI O2 years ago that I bought off some estate auction but I couldn't ever get it running as stable as I'd liked.  Intended to use the case for a casemod project, but in the end I sold it off for what I got it for to someone that had more interest in getting it running in daily driver fashion than I had.

Just didn't have the heart to gut the case and throw a PC mobo in it, but I always loved those cases and still dream of stuffing a real nice smaller PC mobo into one of the SGI shells.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 27, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Makes me wonder how MIPS processors (like the Loongson) compare to modern PPCs in DMIPS.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 27, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
Iggy,

While I can't compare it to PowerPCs, Phoronix did some tests against ARM a bit ago I can't find the article though
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 27, 2014, 04:49:52 PM
Here is the one I was looking for. Too bad its on Linux and not a real UNIX: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyOTE
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Ilwrath on May 27, 2014, 09:51:25 PM
I have a few SGIs in my storage, still.  SGI made some awesome systems, and I remember seriously drooling over them back when I was in college, and they were cutting edge.  I picked mine up off a Craigslist sale of an engineering firm that folded about 10 years ago.  I have an Indigo 2 (Teal) an Indigo 2 Impact R10K (Purple), and an Octane R10k dual.  Couldn't tell ya the RAM on them, anymore.  For a long while getting an IRIX install media set was a rare and expensive thing.  But I remember for a while, at least, they then became common, and I know I snagged one and reinstalled my Octane R10k dual from scratch on a 7200 RPM SCSI drive.  Interesting experiment that was.  lol...  I got most everything working as I wanted, and then I had to quickly move to a new house, and it hasn't seen power since.

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I just found the special monitor cable to hook it up. Does anyone know if it will connect to an LCD without smoke? It's been stored for years now. Fire it up again? What do you think...


Yup, as TeamBlackFox said, signal wise, SGI 13w3 video is a different connection of VGA with Sync on Green.  Provided you have a shielded adaptor, it shouldn't be a problem.  The 13w3 -> VGA adaptor should take care of it.  Or if you have an even older SGI, the split BNC -> VGA adaptor would be all you need.
 
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Just in case, i'm looking for Octane drive caddies.

Heh... Good luck.  They were rare as anything back 10 years ago...  I can't imagine, now.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 28, 2014, 12:52:58 AM
Couldn't get to the Loongson benchmarks.
And the seller that was offering an Octane 2 system just canceled all bids.
Frankly, I'd like a MIPS  machine, but I'm going to have to consider this carefully.

SGI hardware runs IRIX, which looks nice.
While the Loongson hardware runs YALD.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 28, 2014, 01:10:55 AM
Iggy,

For regular desktop use a Fuel can't be beat in brawn to price ratio. That's why I got my sexy redhead.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 28, 2014, 01:18:06 AM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765165
Iggy,

For regular desktop use a Fuel can't be beat in brawn to price ratio. That's why I got my sexy redhead.

Believe me, I looked for one.
Most appear to still be in use.
Until recently, SGI was still offering refurbished units (which says something about the MIPS/IRIX combination).
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 28, 2014, 01:19:16 AM
What's your budget on an SGI I'll ask around.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 28, 2014, 02:55:50 AM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765167
What's your budget on an SGI I'll ask around.

Good question.
When I was looking at 250-400MHz machines the $250 to $400 price range seemed reasonable.
But higher end machines are faster and can handle more processors.
The Fuel can handle up to four, can't it?
I am seriously thinking about a larger investment.

How much would you suggest (before it gets silly and I might as well go multi-core X86)?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on May 28, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Ordered a PIC32MZ based mcu controller board in order to play with a low end 200MHz MIPS based mcu.
These things look SO much more capable than most other MCUs.
Probably much more powerful than comparably clocked Coldfire or ARM based mcus.

I wonder how well they would work in a cluster.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 28, 2014, 03:06:19 AM
The Fuel can only take one CPU.

For that budget the Octane is probably your best bet. If you want a real beast of a machine, look for an Onyx 350, an Onyx 2 or a Tezro. Those usually go for up to 800 with quad CPUs. Check nekochan.net for the best deals.

But keep in mind no modern browsing will happen on these machines due to Firefox having weird dependencies. They're good for the arts, heavy lifting for coding and scientific applications  and of course the wow factor.

Of course I'd love to see IRIX get opened up but the community seems not willing to even try. I'd like to write a letter to the CEO though if I could get some people to support it.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Gulliver on May 28, 2014, 06:37:34 AM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765176

Of course I'd love to see IRIX get opened up but the community seems not willing to even try. I'd like to write a letter to the CEO though if I could get some people to support it.

From experience in pledging companies and individuals to open source their old developments, I can tell you that most of the accomplishments I made were in "solo" mode.

Opening up Irix should represent a great contribution to the remaining SGI community, and it would probably mean great PR and some headlines opportunity for their IP owners.

Go for it, dont wait for others :)

PS: I always found the Iris Indigo to be the sexiest computer design ever.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 28, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
I'll be drafting a letter then and I'll post it here. I'll be sending it via certified mail and email as well.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: haywirepc on May 28, 2014, 03:37:29 PM
I always wanted one of these machines. Mostly because they cost so much back then and now they are cheap... Would be interesting to see what creative apps would still be somewhat useful today...?

What do you guys using them do with them?

Steven
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 28, 2014, 03:42:38 PM
Steven,

I plan to use mine as a hobby desktop, some hacking, development, perhaps some animation/arts stuff if I get the itching, they and NeXT were the main players in bringing CGI to the big screen in the 1990s. They also feel fast because MIPS is very efficient, my Fuel seems to hold its own against my tablet (A Nexus 7) granted the Nexus 7 has a quad core ARM CPU and the Fuel has a single core MIPS, but I was able to run emulators on both with comparable speed/playability.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on May 29, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
So in response to the fact that SGI has no plans for IRIX as of 2013 December I went ahead and drafted a letter to their CEO. I have copied the letter below. And no, I'm not mentioning the GPL. I'd rather it stay proprietary than be GPL'd, so only permissive software licenses are mentioned here:

$DATE

$NAME
$ADDRESS

Attn: Mr. Jorge Titinger

I am writing to you today as a fan, user and supporter of the discontinued product line, IRIX, to propose the act of you and your company Silicon Graphics International would be to opening the source code of IRIX to the community under a permissive software license.

As your company is no longer vending or supporting IRIX as of December 2013 and have ceased development of it prior to this in 2006 of the product, the IRIX fans like me and those of fan sites such as NekoChan.net are facing some issues with use of the product as it ages and lags behind other UNIX variants. As it appears Silicon Graphics International has no further commercial plans for the product, me and several others of the community would love to see IRIX released under a permissive software license such as the MIT, BSD 2-clause or ISC license so we may continue development as a community. I do understand as the CEO and President of SGI you do not directly deal with this matter, but other members of the community have consistently asked your support and sales department with no success, due to a lack of power in those areas.

Releasing the code to IRIX would be a beneficial move for your company, especially under a permissive software license, as this means the community would update and add code, and your company would be free to incorporate that code into proprietary solutions where releasing the code otherwise would be impractical or bad for business. In addition the decision would make headlines across news sites where UNIX fans gather, and would generate attention for your company in a positive manner.

In conclusion I ask that you please consider this matter carefully, and hopefully, you will help make it happen for the community. Thank you for your time and attention while reviewing this letter.

Kind Regards,
$SIGNATURE
$NAME
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 08, 2014, 02:32:00 PM
Not MIPS based, but still impressive.
SGI super computer with 72 Itanium processors and 312GBs of DDR2 ram listed on eBay for under $2000.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=301207367745
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: SysAdmin on June 08, 2014, 04:09:49 PM
@Iggy

The Itanium processor was an epic fail, that's why it's only $2,000.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 08, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
Quote from: SysAdmin;765949
@Iggy

The Itanium processor was an epic fail, that's why it's only $2,000.

That would be a matter of opinion.
Personally, I thought the Pentium IV was a far bigger embarrassment to Intel.
The last Itanium models were introduced in 2012, and per MHz they still outperform X86 cpus.
This system is a bargain.
If I had a spare two grand, I'd snap it up and use it as a we server.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: MiAmigo on June 08, 2014, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765026
Sorry for my absence, I've been busy working as a datacenter tech and unfortunately it's been taking up a lot of my time.

Anyways I picked up an SGI Fuel with 4GB RAM, an R14000 at 600mhz, three SCSI drives and a DVD drive. I also have an Octane and a Personal Iris. These all run IRIX which is probably the best variant of UNIX of its time. Not only was it used in a lot of computer animation in movies but the MIPS architecture seems to be the most efficient architecture in terms of mhz vs Flops. According to some bench marks the SGI Fuel with a 700mhz R16000 is equivalent to a 3Ghz Pentium 4. Yes I know that's old hardware but SGI stopped production of these machines in 2006 so it fits.


Yes, I am a huge fan, both figuratively, and literally speaking. While I was building my Beowulf Plateau (http://contest.techbriefs.com/2013/entries/electronics/4254), I also acquired and restored an SGI Altix 3700 to working order. As this is a truly monstrous beast, I had to have my entire workshop rewired to feed it power. (I installed 2 220v outlets.) Currently I'm replacing one of the R-Bricks and rigging it up to output video directly to a monitor instead of just accessing it by way of dumb terminal.)
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: SysAdmin on June 08, 2014, 05:48:46 PM
@Iggy

For Video Editing I'm sticking with Xenon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon


@MiAmigo

Very cool.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 08, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
Quote from: SysAdmin;765958
@Iggy

For Video Editing I'm sticking with Xenon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon


@MiAmigo

Very cool.

Did I mention video?
For that I'm using a lowly quad core AMD system (although I have considered an i5).
The SGI system would make a very capable server.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: SysAdmin on June 08, 2014, 06:30:48 PM
@Iggy

Cool. what video editing app are you using?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 08, 2014, 08:55:07 PM
Quote from: SysAdmin;765962
@Iggy

Cool. what video editing app are you using?

Nothing that good.
Right now, I have been focusing on decrypting, and resizing/re-encoding software.
Since I used to edit 16mm film, I would like to get some decent software for editing HD video (other than the cheap stuff I have on hand), but I am not sure when I would get a chance to use it.

Any recommendations?
You have a lot more experience with digital video editing than I do.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 09, 2014, 02:36:54 AM
Quote from: MiAmigo;765957
Yes, I am a huge fan, both figuratively, and literally speaking. While I was building my Beowulf Plateau (http://contest.techbriefs.com/2013/entries/electronics/4254), I also acquired and restored an SGI Altix 3700 to working order. As this is a truly monstrous beast, I had to have my entire workshop rewired to feed it power. (I installed 2 220v outlets.) Currently I'm replacing one of the R-Bricks and rigging it up to output video directly to a monitor instead of just accessing it by way of dumb terminal.)

Unfortunately, the Altix system listed on eBay does not come with an OS.
While SUSE Enterprise Linux is still available for it, the license price is prohibitively high.
And support under BSD has serious limitations.
Are there any other Linux ports available for these systems?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: MiAmigo on June 09, 2014, 05:56:49 AM
Sorry for the late-ish response everybody, but the Forum Gods forgot to tell me there were new posts related to my post.

The system I purchased (on EBay, of course) came with a Debian Linux disk, and three big fat system manuals. (Two were different versions of the same book).

I also took pains to download every bit of info I could find on the system, which resulted in over 100 PDFs at last count.

I ALSO queried SGI for a service contract quote, just out of curiosity. The first quote they gave me was hysterical - over $44K! Once I explained to them that I was merely a poor schmuck who had rescued a derelict system from EBay, they gave me a 'much better' quote of only $4K.

If I wanted to have them send a guy out to give the system the once over, I would have to pay to fly him to Chicago, since they have no local office in the Midwest (!), then pay at least $500.00 for him to step into my door, and about that much per hour to inspect the system, minimum amount, 2 hrs. worth! (I'm presuming I wouldn't also have to get the guy laid, but who knows?)

The system itself was in decent shape, once I removed the crate, which weighed over 300 lbs all by itself. (It has a door with a built in steel ramp for unpacking and installation.) There were some dings and bruises, and some of the plastic port grills (that cover the power bays and such like) had been loosened and shattered.

The system had been in storage for about 3-4 years, and originated from Wichita State University, where it was called 'Jupiter'. I renamed it 'COLOSSUS', a fitting name, considering the size.

The first hurdle was getting it delivered. It required at least 8ft of overhead clearance, and the garage door to my workshop ('Utopia Planitia') has that and maybe a half an inch to spare. It also required a certain amount of floor space, front, back, and sides.

The first week it was supposed to be delivered, we had three blizzards, and I (eventually) had a death in the family, which resulted in over 3 weeks of re-schedulings and aborted delivery attempts by the freight company.

When the delivery guy finally showed up, he 'chickened out' and refused to delivery. (The crate was much too big and heavy at well over 2000 lbs, and HE was really old and frail. And his boss said he was a chronic complainer.)

Finally got the thing delivered when the weather cleared up, and after my family obligations were completed, and the freight company sent their best guy - a wiry old dude whom I dubbed the 'Rambo' of delivery guys. He slung that monster crate around as deftly as a really big carton of eggs, slid it into the shop, right into place, and drove off into the sunset! :laughing: (At one point we had a scary moment as he was using a pallet jack to roll it to the lift gate. He came so perilously close to the edge, I thought he'd dump it on myself and my son for sure! Doing the fatherly thing, I pushed my son out of the way, even though we were both supposed to 'walk our hands up the crate' as the driver lowered it, to make sure it didn't prematurely tip off the truck. Needless to say, I survived!)

I spent the next several weekends getting the crate open (sans the 'official uncrating instructions'), inspecting the system, contracting an electrician for the system's massive power requirements (and having him think I was either crazy or working with the NSA), and assessing what the system needed.

I also spent many nights reading documentations and working on my other project, the Beowulf Plateau.

Right now I'm shopping for that R-Brick replacement, and finagling the system into direct video output in addition to using a dumb terminal. I also have my eyes on a couple of other 'supercluster' machines, an SGI, and a (gasp!) Cray!
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 09, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
@ MiAmigo

Great! I say some references to Debian for Itanium, but I didn't know if it would support something this complex.
I really wish I had a spare two grand (plus a huge amount for shipping from the wrong coast).
Over 300GB of memory and 72 cores?
Sheesh!

Any photos of the native display?
What can you run on it?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Pyromania on June 09, 2014, 09:01:51 PM
Quote from: Iggy;765972
Nothing that good.
Right now, I have been focusing on decrypting, and resizing/re-encoding software.
Since I used to edit 16mm film, I would like to get some decent software for editing HD video (other than the cheap stuff I have on hand), but I am not sure when I would get a chance to use it.

Any recommendations?
You have a lot more experience with digital video editing than I do.


On SGI (Irix) or Linux Flame works great but has a learning curve. On Windows the following software solution works good.

http://www.newtek.com/component/content/article/62-tricaster-accessories/388-tricaster-speededit.html

On Windows the following hardware/software solution works good.

http://www.newtek.com/products/tricaster-40.html

Several versions of the TriCaster are available, the more you spend the better they get.

On OS X this works great.

http://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: MiAmigo on June 09, 2014, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: Iggy;766025
@ MiAmigo

Great! I say some references to Debian for Itanium, but I didn't know if it would support something this complex.
I really wish I had a spare two grand (plus a huge amount for shipping from the wrong coast).
Over 300GB of memory and 72 cores?
Sheesh!

Any photos of the native display?
What can you run on it?


Unfortunately, I don't have any photos of the display, as I have pulled the system apart to service a few issues, chief among them the replacement of one of the R-Bricks.

The thing to keep in mind about purchasing these systems pretty much 'sight unseen' from EBay is that usually, they have not been stored correctly (temperature, space, and dust-wise), and may have sat in these environs for months, if not years. (Unless you get lucky enough to get your hands on one 'fresh' from the lab or server room, as it were.)

So, even though the seller (who knew nothing about these systems, other than he had one he desperately wanted to get rid of!)  assured me it was in 'perfect working order' when he got it, I assumed the worst, and knew I had my work cut out for me.

What entailed after the uncrating (an adventure it itself!), was a complete inspection of all the 3700's subsystems for damaged or worn parts, potential electrical issues, and just missing 'stuff'. Believe me, I found plenty of all of those, but nothing insurmountable.

Once I finally did get it up and running, I was glad to find that all of the processor cores worked, there were no RAM failures, and at first, no communication issues between bricks, that is, until the R-Brick failure, which was caused by a bit of rust, metal and electrical fatigue.

Because of that, the system is currently down, with the offending R-Brick pulled. (The system still has one functioning R-brick, and can actually run at half its capacity.)

Right now I'm considering the best route of repair, either fix it myself (a little bit of soldering), or replacing the entire unit.

These so-called 'brick' components (which are very BIG and HEAVY) can be ludicrously expensive on EBay, unless one is patient, and waits for the right vendor with a burning desire to just 'get rid' of the thing. (I actually picked up a $500.00+ C-Brick, fully functional and chock full of Itanium cores, for fifty bucks - the price of shipping it to me - simply because the seller just wanted to get rid of it!)

When it is all back up and running, and Debian is percolating along, I have a number of ideas for my own personal applications and projects, just to see what I can make it do and/or use it for. I have even entertained the idea of interfacing it with my 'other' supercomputer - the Beowulf Plateau - for a few joint computing projects which require massive computing power.

(Speaking of power - another thing to remember is that these systems do require a lot of dedicated cooling in an enclosed, controllable space.)
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Vlabguy1 on June 10, 2014, 01:49:30 AM
Quote from: TeamBlackFox;765026
Sorry for my absence, I've been busy working as a datacenter tech and unfortunately it's been taking up a lot of my time.

Anyways I picked up an SGI Fuel with 4GB RAM, an R14000 at 600mhz, three SCSI drives and a DVD drive. I also have an Octane and a Personal Iris. These all run IRIX which is probably the best variant of UNIX of its time. Not only was it used in a lot of computer animation in movies but the MIPS architecture seems to be the most efficient architecture in terms of mhz vs Flops. According to some bench marks the SGI Fuel with a 700mhz R16000 is equivalent to a 3Ghz Pentium 4. Yes I know that's old hardware but SGI stopped production of these machines in 2006 so it fits.


Here is my SGI machine :-)..
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: haywirepc on June 11, 2014, 01:17:54 PM
Looks like there is alot of systems on ebay. What kind of 3d/graphics and creative apps are there for these machines? Is the software all kind of free or open sourced now?

They had video toaster for  these systems?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Iggy on June 11, 2014, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: Vlabguy1;766054
Here is my SGI machine :-)..


Neat.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TheMagicM on June 11, 2014, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;766213
Looks like there is alot of systems on ebay. What kind of 3d/graphics and creative apps are there for these machines? Is the software all kind of free or open sourced now?

They had video toaster for  these systems?


also...is UAE available for it?
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: Pyromania on June 11, 2014, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;766213
Looks like there is alot of systems on ebay. What kind of 3d/graphics and creative apps are there for these machines? Is the software all kind of free or open sourced now?

They had video toaster for  these systems?


Lightwave 3D was available as was Xaos Tools. No Video Toaster for SGI but it did have Flame, Flint, Smoke Etc. Many other GFX/Video packages were on SGI, too many to mention.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: xeno74 on June 11, 2014, 08:56:39 PM
(http://www.supertuxkart.de/sgi-computer.png)

Just for info: SuperTuxKart 0.5 and 0.6.2a work on SGI IRIX:

(http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixplayergimp-thumbnail.jpg) (http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixplayergimp.jpg) (http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixmenu-thumbnail.jpg) (http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixmenu.jpg)
(http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixgame1-thumbnail.jpg) (http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixgame1.jpg) (http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixgame2-thumbnail.jpg) (http://www.supertuxkart.de/stkirixgame2.jpg)

(http://www.supertuxkart.de/supertuxkart-cover-irix.gif) Downloads:

neko_supertuxkart-0.5.tardist (http://www.supertuxkart.de/neko_supertuxkart-0.5.tardist)

neko_supertuxkart-0.6.2a.tardist (http://www.supertuxkart.de/neko_supertuxkart-0.6.2a.tardist)
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: MiAmigo on June 11, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
Cool stuff! :)
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on June 15, 2014, 05:00:47 AM
I hauled in a new SGI today - an O2 running an R5k at 160mhz. Spent 3 hours trying to setup a net install server under FreeBSD and finally gave up, gonna have a friend of mine burn me his copy of IRIX instead. Correction on my Fuel - it only has 2GB ram. I mistyped and noticed.

Also with the SGI got a sun Ultra 5 and a 1084s monitor. I'm an addict..

And I have a SGI o2 motherboard / system module of unknown specs with no ram. I don't suppose anyone here needs a spare O2?

@Iggy

Gonna fire up my Octane as soon as I get it out of storage. If it works I'll pm with a price when I have it.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: commodorejohn on June 15, 2014, 05:53:53 AM
You could try OpenBSD, (http://www.openbsd.org/sgi.html) they support SGI 64-bit and seem to make a point out of actually working and not being total crap in my experience.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on June 15, 2014, 03:55:18 PM
I'd prefer to use IRIX on SGI/MIPS Hardware honestly - its like saying use NetBSD on a Commodore - there is no point. Admittedly, same for Amiga UNIX really, but you get the gist.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on June 26, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
Okay so I have decided to sell my O2. Here are the specs:

170MHz R5000 MIPS
92MB RAM
18GB 15k RPM SCSI drive

Only issue is no OS installed on it - I'm still looking for IRIX cds as the ones my friend burned were rubbish. If someone is interested feel free to PM me.
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TheMagicM on June 26, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
TeamBlackFox:
If I needed IRIX I'd just find a torrent.

Price/pics?   I might be interested...
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on June 26, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
I'm trying to avoid torrenting on  public trackers due to my ISP. Anyways PM sent!
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TheMagicM on June 27, 2014, 04:57:58 PM
I use a vpn service...so I dont worry about ISP issues.  :-)
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on June 27, 2014, 05:53:40 PM
So the O2 is still available - seems the TheMagicM found one locally - Congrats!

Any takers? Feel free to PM
Title: Re: Any SGI fans?
Post by: TeamBlackFox on June 02, 2015, 03:18:24 AM
I wanted to simply update the thread that I'm not really active on this forum anymore, but I'm now a steady dealer of SGI MIPS and SGI Itanium gear. If you want something, PM me.

For bragging rights I am now the owner of a 4x700MHz Tezro and a 900MHz Fuel, both maxed out. Fantastic systems.