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*News from CommodoreUSA.net
http://www.commodoreusa.net//CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx
The Best Things Come In Small Packages
The wait for our first Commodore AMIGA model is finally over, and it's been worth the wait. The new Commodore AMIGA mini is a tiny powerhouse, featuring one of the fastest i7 Quad Core processors on the market. Made of 100% aluminum and presented in silver or black, it is slick and eye-catching in appearance. Equally as good sitting beside a computer monitor on your desk as it is in any living room, the new AMIGA mini is perfect for use as either a Home Theater System, a Workstation or as a gaming machine.
The new Commodore AMIGA mini case is ultra small and is made of 100% all aluminum housing, finished by sandblasting and anodic oxidation. It also includes a slot load Blu-Ray drive and internal space for two 2.5" hard drives. It measures 7.5 inches square, with a height of only 3 inches. There is no end to its placement possibilities.
The AMIGA mini includes an engraved AMIGA logo (front) and Commodore logo (top) as well as a metallic Commodore badge on the front.
*The Outstanding Features of the AMIGA mini**
The Commodore AMIGA mini comes with: ****
A massive 16 Gigs of fast DD3 memory.
Integrated nVidia Geforce GT 430 Graphics with 1 Gig of DD3 memory.
The ability to drive 3 monitors displays.
HDMI, 2-Dual DVI and DisplayPort output. (includes VGA adaptor)
7.1 channel high definition sound.
6 Gb/s SATA for incredibly fast HD reads.
4 USB 3.0 and 4 USB 2.0 ports for exceptional external data access.
A slot loading Blu-ray drive that can also write DVDs.
2 WiFi antennae for outstanding signal reception.
A 1 Tb Hard Disk to store video and personal data.
Optional 300 or 600 Gb SSD drive for lightning quick load times.
SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICES and FREE SHIPPING WORLDWIDE.
(Limited time only)
AMIGA mini
Barebones AMIGA mini
**Case and chassis.* **
**Black
**Silver
**Commodore OS Vision pre-installed plus 2 restore discs.*
**Motherboard with Intel Intel i7-2700k 3.5 Ghz Quad-Core CPU*
**NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 430 GPU with 1GB DDR3.*
**16Gb Memory (DDR3 1333MHz)
**Blu-Ray Drive (slot load)
**WiFi(802.11 b/g/n) with 2 Antennae
**Hard Drive: Regular SATA HD or SSD options.
**Solid State Drives are Intel SSD320 Series.
**1Tb Serial ATA Hard Drive
**300Gb Solid State Drive [Add $495]
**600Gb Solid State Drive [Add $995]
Price*(USD)**
$345 - Barebones
$2495 - Fully Loaded
The Links Below are the Web coverage of this CommdoreUSA Press Release
Commodore Amiga Mini PC revealed: Core i7, 16GB of RAM and a Blu-ray drive
Engadget (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/21/commodore-amiga-mini-pc-revealed-core-i7-16gb-of-ram-and-an-op/&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATAAOABAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNFKhRmAt2fDuxOFE_WRf2aqmGWCww)
Bitterness aside, Commodore is following up its retro-fabulous C64x with a new small-form-factor PC, the Amiga Mini. While not much of a looker, this box houses a potent 3.5GHz Core i7-2700k CPU, 16GB of DDR3 memory, NVIDIA's GeForce GT 430 (1GB)
Commodore revives Amiga with powerful Mini PC
SlashGear (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.slashgear.com/commodore-revives-amiga-with-powerful-mini-pc-21219457/&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATABOAFAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNE8ChbWAvOewQuzQqzs5ncQfmANbA)
Today, the company unveiled the Commodore Amiga mini PC as well as a new C64X Supreme, a new VIC mini, and an upgraded VIC-Slim keyboard computer now with HDMI output. The Commodore Amiga mini takes on minimalist styling with a square aluminum housing ...
Commodore Amiga Is Back And It's A Beast
WebProNews (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.webpronews.com/commodore-amiga-is-back-and-its-a-beast-2012-03&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATACOAJAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNEgm9rYHgLyyO7-DnPlhKIJCWS36A)
The company made the super popular Commodore 64, but they are also known for manufacturing the Amiga line of personal computers in the 80s and 90s. Commodore has already brought back the Commodore 64 for the modern era, now it's time for the Amiga to ...
Commodore Amiga returns with first PC for 20 years
TechRadar UK (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.techradar.com/news/pc/computing/commodore-amiga-returns-with-first-pc-for-20-years-1072954&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATADOANAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNH6SJ3-VMdX_sPBxn6aS2gJ70yTMw)
By Chris Smith Here's some news you probably didn't expect to read today: The Commodore Amiga brand is back with its first PC in 20 years. The iconic partnership, which spawned a gaming titan in the early 90s, returns with a powerhouse of a PC, ...
Commodore USA brings back the Amiga, of sorts
VR-Zone (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://vr-zone.com/articles/commodore-usa-brings-back-the-amiga-of-sorts/15310.html&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATAEOARAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNEEMU6wkPs3sSEPeQIpvhDu5HmdYA)
It appears as if Commodore USA is milking its brand names for as much as it can and the company has now launched its first Amiga branded product, the Amiga mini. It's a pretty decent looking mini-ITX system in what appears to be a custom made aluminium ...
Forget the Ultrabook — Go With the New Commodore!
All Things Digital (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://allthingsd.com/20120321/forget-the-ultrabook-go-with-the-new-commodore/&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATAFOAVAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNGH6hvSzicDFa5cNbvWLpCQAXcz-A)
Why buy a modern computer with a standard operating system, keyboard and display, when you can buy a Commodore Amiga? Commodore USA, the Florida-based start-up company that has been producing replicas of the popular Commodore computers of the 1980s, ...
Commodore releases new AMIGA mini
TweakTown (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.tweaktown.com/news/23120/commodore_releases_new_amiga_mini/&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAAoATAGOAZAvu2p-wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=amW8OANzyyA&usg=AFQjCNGeS0tldgIz0nxeSI2dCEm5utlhGg)
Just today, they have released a new computer called the AMIGA mini. They are billing the computer as a "tiny powerhouse" that's "slick and eye-catching in appearance." It certainly is "eye-catching," but is it in the way they want it to be?
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OK, so you get a 4 core high-end i7 CPU. You put 16GB of fast RAM in it. You put USB3 in it. You give it all the bells and whistles you can....
... and you stick a GT 430 (a low-end budget card) in it? Seriously? With no way of expanding it because the case is too small for any slots?
Is it any good for gaming? No, the graphics are way below spec. Is it any good for serious use? Maybe, but who's going to want to spend that kind of money on a machine with zero internal expansion possibilities.
I'm filing this under "What were they thinking??".
(and am I the only one who finds the case looks like a Mac Mini put through an "Ugly filter"?)
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Not a bad looking rig - I assume barebones is case only? Pretty steep, if so.
Curious how hot it'll get when high end specced. 430 GT graphics will be a major bottleneck on a modern i7 system, as Spirantho said.
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who's going to want to spend that kind of money on a machine with zero internal expansion possibilities
Just a guess, but - people who demand an official Commodore Amiga?
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(and am I the only one who finds the case looks like a Mac Mini put through an "Ugly filter"?)
Unlike Macmini this one has powerbutton where it belongs, and it even has eject-button for discs. Add to that it has a nice aluminiumcovers instead of sperm colored plastic, and hey, lets not forget it has more than two usb-ports too. This case is about a thousand times better compared to what Macmini has.
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Mac mini has no DVD drive built in...
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Unlike Macmini this one has powerbutton where it belongs, and it even has eject-button for discs. Add to that it has a nice aluminiumcovers instead of sperm colored plastic, and hey, lets not forget it has more than two usb-ports too. This case is about a thousand times better compared to what Macmini has.
And the Mac has OSX while the "Amiga" uses a Linux distro.
I don't even like OSX that much, but I'd still rather have the Mac.
Of course it does have a Blu-Ray drive. Apple hasn't gotten around to embracing those yet.
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Can I just buy the case? heh!
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Can I just buy the case? heh!
why, yes you can! bazza and company have thought of you and other folks interested in just the case. you can purchase one for the low, low price of just $345. or you can go on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150767990772&_trksid=p2992.m753) and pick it up for $65. your choice.
-- eliyahu
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Can also find the cases in bulk lots of 12 here, if any group of people are really after one. $720 for 12 barebones cases. To C-USA's credit, their version does seem to offer the custom chickenlips and Amiga logoes, where the below ones do not.
http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-ITX2-Silver-Ultra-small-aluminum-chassis-Box-of-12-HTPC-ITX2-S-12.htm;jsessionid=70E5316CEFCE0D876642B288464D4125.qscstrfrnt06
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CommodoreUSA releases comically expensive and inexplicably compromised PC in prefab badged case, film at 11.
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To C-USA's credit, their version does seem to offer the custom chickenlips and Amiga logoes, where the below ones do not.
No they don't, it's just Photoshop again.
(http://cbmvax.com/fail.gif)
(http://cbmvax.com/fail2.gif)
They probably haven't even bought the cases yet.
Oh, and the 120W power supply that case comes with isn't nearly enough to power the i7 system they're listing. I think this is just a pretty crappy attempt to troll.
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why, yes you can! bazza and company have thought of you and other folks interested in just the case. you can purchase one for the low, low price of just $345. or you can go on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150767990772&_trksid=p2992.m753) and pick it up for $65. your choice.
-- eliyahu
I actually like this and thanks for the ebay tip :)
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Have someone specced out what this machine would cost otherwise?
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If it doesn't come with the custom branding, their website has some very misleading info then.
"The AMIGA mini includes an engraved AMIGA logo (front) and Commodore logo (top) as well as a metallic Commodore badge on the front."
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx
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If it doesn't come with the custom branding, their website has some very misleading info then.
My guess is they just haven't branded any (yet?) so they're just showing a mockup.
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between $2495 and $3490
How much for a Mac mini with MOS?
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Oh, and the 120W power supply that case comes with isn't nearly enough to power the i7 system they're listing. I think this is just a pretty crappy attempt to troll.
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Have someone specced out what this machine would cost otherwise?
Approx. $200 for the Motherboard, $350 for the CPU, $150 for 16GB so-dimm, $140 the Blu-Ray, $60 for the Pico-PSU, $150 for the 1TB SATA drive, $64 for the case. That adds up to $1114. And that's me buying retail, assuming they have no ability to buy in bulk and get a discount.
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Oh, and the 120W power supply that case comes with isn't nearly enough to power the i7 system they're listing. I think this is just a pretty crappy attempt to troll.
More likely it's just another example of "Barry has no idea how to put together a quality PC system," like failing to have the C64x's fan drawing hot air off the board, or putting an i7 in the updated C64x configuration despite the prior heat-dispersal problems, or building a mega-spec i7 system and bottlenecking it with an old-ass graphics card...
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Oh, the innovation and research spent on this newest & greatest item from CrapUSA!! I want one, I want, want! ! :D
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why, yes you can! bazza and company have thought of you and other folks interested in just the case. you can purchase one for the low, low price of just $345. or you can go on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150767990772&_trksid=p2992.m753) and pick it up for $65. your choice.
-- eliyahu
Amiga stickers are getting expensive nowadays:crazy:
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between $2495 and $3490
How much for a Mac mini with MOS?
I got my Amiga stickers here for $8.50 and I can put them on any of my PC's for free;)
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Amiga stickers are getting expensive nowadays:crazy:
apparently, so are off-the-shelf parts. click here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6305&start=40#84847) to find out how you can build your 'commodore amiga' mini at a huge discount!
-- eliyahu
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... and you stick a GT 430 (a low-end budget card) in it? Seriously? With no way of expanding it because the case is too small for any slots?
It's integrated into the Motherboard, they posted they could not even get a half height graphics card to fit in the case.
I found it interesting they went with a 95 Watt TPD CPU, which typically draw more power than a 65 Watt TPD CPU.
If this is any indication, that 120 Watt Pico-PSU won't hold up under load:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1751/14/
This is all comedy anyway, I want to find ONE person who is going to buy this. I haven't seen anyone, even on their own board that has claimed to have ordered one for $2500. There won't be any of these in the wild for anyone to complain.
I image they will sell some barebones cases, (which are also expensive at $350, but is ONLY marked up $150 because they force you to get the Blu-Ray ) to get the Commodore and Amiga logo. I hang on to cases for a very long time and upgrade the internals, so if I was in the market for a Mini-ITX case I might think about it.
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Mac mini has no DVD drive built in...
And I could swear I was listening to music from a DVD as I type... on my macmini...
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And I could swear I was listening to music from a DVD as I type... on my macmini...
i think he was referring to the current mac mini (http://www.apple.com/macmini/).
-- eliyahu
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i showed this to my work mates and we all laughed... what a good joke! cusa=comedy gold :D
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Waiting for the usual suspect to come by and explain why it isn't actually expensive at all, because you pay for 24/7 telephone support...
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Someone at CUSA misread the calender. This thread is 11 days early!
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Someone at CUSA misread the calender. This thread is 11 days early!
no no no... this is the "Massive Announcement" that is 4 months late...
link:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/10029-massive-announcement-coming
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i think he was referring to the current mac mini (http://www.apple.com/macmini/).
-- eliyahu
Ok. Thats even worse, go Apple :)
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Yes, you need to compare current products. The Mac Mini has been produced without a drive for a good year and a half. The last minis with built in optical drives were the Core 2 Duo 2/4 GHz.
But for comparison, the Mac Mini's i7 runs at 2.7 GHz, the Baron's at 3.5 and the Mac Mini's Intel HD Graphics 3000 processor with 384 MB of DDR3 SDRAM is worse than the Barron's Integrated nVidia Geforce GT 430 Graphics with 1 Gig of DD3 memory. A specced out Mac Mini has a US street price of $1928.
It wouldn't be a bad Hackintosh.
i think he was referring to the current mac mini (http://www.apple.com/macmini/).
-- eliyahu
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why, yes you can! bazza and company have thought of you and other folks interested in just the case. you can purchase one for the low, low price of just $345. or you can go on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150767990772&_trksid=p2992.m753) and pick it up for $65. your choice.
-- eliyahu
LOL! $345 is not just for the case but for a lame spec PC.. :-D nice try tho!
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But for comparison, the Mac Mini's i7 runs at 2.7 GHz, the Baron's at 3.5 and the Mac Mini's Intel HD Graphics 3000 processor with 384 MB of DDR3 SDRAM is worse than the Barron's Integrated nVidia Geforce GT 430 Graphics with 1 Gig of DD3 memory. A specced out Mac Mini has a US street price of $1928.
It wouldn't be a bad Hackintosh.
A "Specced out" 2.7Ghz i7 Mac Mini also has an 250GB SSD and 750GB SATA Hard Drive. Subtract the SSD and it's $1,318 from the Apple online store.
Replace the HD in the Amiga Mini for a 300GB SSD and it's $2,900.
I thought the main point of the Hackintosh was to build one cheaper than Apple? Nevertheless, a closer comparison is a 27" 3.4 GHz i7 iMac with 16GB of Ram and the 1GB Radeon HD 6970M and 1TB Hard Drive. That's $300 more at $2,800 but a 27" monitor is included :) It also includes a mouse and a keyboard, something the Amiga Mini does not.
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I beleive that, "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything" so I won't
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Have someone specced out what this machine would cost otherwise?
Yes, at AmigaWorld.net
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6305&start=20#84826
~$1350 USD (retail) for the parts.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6305&start=40#84847
~943$
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*News from CommodoreUSA.net
http://www.commodoreusa.net//CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx
The Best Things Come In Small Packages
We at SinclairUK just discovered that those Apple Mini`s were cute, so we could just find nearest looking design and do rebadging once again for just about $2000, making it our cheapest but yet so expensive QL model. Again, Hot Air is rediscovered and sold!
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I beleive that, "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything" so I won't
you could say this....
"what happened with the voting thing during christmas? what won was an A1200-alike computer and what we get is this?"
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I want the Vic version.
I am not for sure I want to buy a machine that has Amgia written on it just yet.
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I want the Vic version.
I am not for sure I want to buy a machine that has Amgia written on it just yet.
as the saying goes.... a fool and his money are soon parted.
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Does Linux even support Blu Ray yet? Movies that is, I assume it supports Blu Ray data discs but they are hardly popular.
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But for comparison, the Mac Mini's i7 runs at 2.7 GHz, the Baron's at 3.5 and the Mac Mini's Intel HD Graphics 3000 processor with 384 MB of DDR3 SDRAM is worse than the Barron's Integrated nVidia Geforce GT 430 Graphics with 1 Gig of DD3 memory. A specced out Mac Mini has a US street price of $1928.
Correction. The 2.7 GHz Core i7 version of the Mac Mini has a Radeon HD 6630M graphics card, not the Intel HD 3000. I don't know how the Mobility Radeon HD graphics card compares to the Geforce GT 430 speed wise, but it's definitely better than the Intel HD graphics 3000.
Hans
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Perhaps they should include a 'Best Offer' button on their website. Seriously, 2500 for THAT!
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Interesting how all the power calculators I check tell me a system like that would require a 500-600W PSU. How the hell is this going to run on the PSU supplied? I look forward to the reviews from the customers, provided they escape the inevitable house fire of course. As for this being an Amiga, yeah.... . whatever!
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Does Linux even support Blu Ray yet? Movies that is, I assume it supports Blu Ray data discs but they are hardly popular.
You can, but I dont know if its a hassle or not.
Given that you can expect zero support from CUSA, you'd better be good at googling ;)
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The thing that irks me is that they claim that this is the first new "amiga" for however many years. What about the X1000. Or every other sodding project that has been running for however long.
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Does it run Workbench or AmigaOS ?
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Does it run Workbench or AmigaOS ?
Yeah it does, but only if you run UAE. I have enough plenty of machines that can do that, including my original XBox and my PC.
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I also think the Bluray is a bit gimicky too. Why would you put a Bluray on an Amiga? I have a PS3 and you couldn't force me to use it, so how would you get people to use it on an Amiga? Bluray is nothing more than a gimmick. Kinda like 3DTV.
Great, now i am quoting myself :mickeymouse: as obviously i put this in the wrong thread ;)
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I want the Vic version.
I am not for sure I want to buy a machine that has Amgia written on it just yet.
Riiight, because "Vic" was used all over the place in the original Amiga line, as in "Get your budget Vic A2000".
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The thing that irks me is that they claim that this is the first new "amiga" for however many years. What about the X1000. Or every other sodding project that has been running for however long.
And all the previous released boards like original A1s, SAMs, Natami ...
But its the marketing strategy, even we don`t like it. It is first product with "Commodore" and "Amiga" names, even factual is that it is CommodoreUSA (and not CBM) product. They will continue to do so.
There is a small petition against it, so far just 46 signatures
http://www.petitiononline.com/newamiga/petition.html
My own comment
My objection is not only confusion to AmigaOne series, but to Amiga Classics. Some people still use Classics, and they are not reproducing Classic models of any kind. Having EXACT same name of the old and new model IS confusion (e.g. how to threat it on Wikipedia etc.). However, knowing it will be simple PC`s I doubt they will also ever enter Amiga history pages or Wikipedia articles: they have nothing to do with AmigaOS`s which is real Amiga criteria.
Petition idea
t has come to our attention that Commodore USA is about to launch a new line of "AMIGA(tm)" branded computers using the classic Amiga(tm) naming convention. These new computers have absolutely nothing in common with the old Amiga(tm) computers other than the name.
By the reuse of the classic Amiga(tm) names we firmly believe that this will confuse potential users of the AmigaOS(tm) platforms, i.e. the AmigaONE(tm) line of computers.
Your "Amiga 1000x" model for instance will most likley be confused with the "AmigaONE X1000" from A-EON. The Amiga community today is focused around the AmigaOS and its derivatives. While Commodore USA might not see this as a primary market a lot of work both commercial and non-profitable has been put into the success of the Next Generation AmigaOS and the AmigaONE hardware. That is why the sudden introduction of a new Commodore branded Amiga 1000x could be seen as a way to buy into this success.
This is the reason why we wholeheartedly appeal to you to reconsider using the old classic Amiga numbering in your new line of Commodore Amigas.
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Interesting how all the power calculators I check tell me a system like that would require a 500-600W PSU. How the hell is this going to run on the PSU supplied? I look forward to the reviews from the customers, provided they escape the inevitable house fire of course. As for this being an Amiga, yeah.... . whatever!
This shows 51-202 watts drawn:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1751/14/
In order to get a review from a customer, you would have to find a sucker that is going to pay $2500 for a (at best) $1300 computer.
If anyone is going to buy one of these, please show yourself somewhere! You won't be hurt or flamed - I just want to understand who is motivated to buy one of these. What is the target market?
I don't even see anyone on CUSA's forum that claims they are buying one. The only thing that will catch fire is the single protype that will eventually get made (since apparantly none exist and they need to photoshop everything).
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Of course it does have a Blu-Ray drive. Apple hasn't gotten around to embracing those yet.
OT, but I just had to comment. The reason Apple hasn't gotten around to "embracing" Blu-Ray yet is because Apple feels that optical media is finished. Go look at the current Mac Mini. iMac is next to get "the business", mark my words!
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OT, but I just had to comment. The reason Apple hasn't gotten around to "embracing" Blu-Ray yet is because Apple feels that optical media is finished. Go look at the current Mac Mini. iMac is next to get "the business", mark my words!
I just thought I would add that I've stopped at DVD too... Blue Ray doesn't offer me anything that I can't download from iTunes.
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This shows 51-202 watts drawn:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1751/14/
In order to get a review from a customer, you would have to find a sucker that is going to pay $2500 for a (at best) $1300 computer.
If anyone is going to buy one of these, please show yourself somewhere! You won't be hurt or flamed - I just want to understand who is motivated to buy one of these. What is the target market?
I don't even see anyone on CUSA's forum that claims they are buying one. The only thing that will catch fire is the single protype that will eventually get made (since apparantly none exist and they need to photoshop everything).
That power draw is still too much for the PSU and I have to say, thanks for the post, you made me laugh. :D
Maybe in 15 years someone will sell the burnt out prototype on ebay for a thousand bucks.
It was interesting to see how much power calculators exaggerated the need for wattage however.
This is Thermaltake's calculator:
http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
it'll give you a rating over 500W that's for sure. .... Maybe the're trying to sell us something, like a bigger PSU perhaps.
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Apple has not included a opticle drive with the Mac mini since mid 2011. Which I think really sucks. I would buy the bear bones case from commodore to put a Mac mini board in it for the missing opticle drive.
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Apple has not included a opticle drive with the Mac mini since mid 2011. Which I think really sucks. I would buy the bear bones case from commodore to put a Mac mini board in it for the missing opticle drive.
You would really pay a $280 premium just to have a C=/Amiga logo on a case? A case you can buy on eBay for $65, only diff being a logo? If so, these guys might have a market after all, lol.
You can buy the external SuperDrive for the Mac mini for $80, directly from Apple. It's USB and will work with other systems just fine.
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You would really pay a $280 premium just to have a C=/Amiga logo on a case? A case you can buy on eBay for $65, only diff being a logo? If so, these guys might have a market after all, lol.
That's what amazes me about this whole thing, there actually are people willing to throw away huge chunks of money on nothing more than a sticker and/or etching. I guess these are the kinds of people who keep eBay scalpers in business...
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Yup its a undeniable fact that people WILL buy these computers. Either due to nostalgia, wanting a 'unique' product or simply because they have more money than they know what to do with.
To me it all feels like Commodore Gaming all over again. Except Commodore Gaming gave us some original cases and better graphics cards. :smack:
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Here is a comparison of the GeForce shipping in the Amiga Mini vs the one included in my high specced iMac 27" i7 which is around 18 months old. Please note the Radeon in my iMac seems very very zippy.
http://www.hwcompare.com/7140/geforce-gt-430-1gb-vs-radeon-hd-4850-x2-512mb/
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The card they are supplying is essentially a really nice HTPC card. I wouldn't push it to do anything more than that really.
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Actually i think the higher cost can be justified somewhat. If you go through the numbers you will see that even something simple like doing the engraving will see the costs per unit rise considerably. Things like S&D and labor costs add up pretty quickly especially when the cases are made JIT.
I would consider spending that much on a bare bones case as i like the Amiga engraving. But not the Commodore tag.
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I just thought I would add that I've stopped at DVD too... Blue Ray doesn't offer me anything that I can't download from iTunes.
Sorry, I just can't buy my content from Apple.
The thought makes my skin crawl.
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Actually i think the higher cost can be justified somewhat. If you go through the numbers you will see that even something simple like doing the engraving will see the costs per unit rise considerably. Things like S&D and labor costs add up pretty quickly especially when the cases are made JIT.
I would consider spending that much on a bare bones case as i like the Amiga engraving. But not the Commodore tag.
I don't disagree they need to make a profit. It's not a charity. And, I think a lot of people will consider and perhaps buy the Barebones, it's worth it to some people to have a nice engraved Amiga case, and it's inexpensive enough most people could buy it. They can and will charge as much as they can, with the Blu-Ray they are buying it's only $160 more for engraving, whatever licence fees they are paying, misc costs and profit.
If you want one, buy it now, the price will go up, plus they have free shipping. The C64x barebones used to be $250. They charged like $20 to ship it.
But, I don't think the system is justified at $2500 and I don't think there is anyone who will pay it. They have *at least* $1,000 worth of profit built in. The list of x86 computers that will blow the doors off of it for less money is very, very, very long.
I could be wrong. I just want to know ONE person who is buying it. That's all, just one.
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That power draw is still too much for the PSU and I have to say, thanks for the post, you made me laugh. :D
Your welcome. I'm usually not very funny, but CUSA is a constant supply of entertainment :)
Yes, the power draw is too much for the PSU. They will hopefully figure that out when they finally build the prototype. If it's not melted too bad I'll bid on it...
That's an excellent calculator, and the one thing I think the link I put up is it didn't take into account for is the Blu-Ray / DVD burner combo. Those things when your burning a DVD suck power pretty good. But, your usually not playing Crysis or anything when your burning DVDs :) so I think it balances out.
If I were building that system, Mini-ITX with integrated graphics and that i7, I wouldn't feel to safe with anything less than a 300 watt power supply. It will be easy to tip over at 120 watts. I don't think that case can use anything other than a Pico-PSU, which tops out at 160 watts. You would have to find a killer laptop DC-to-DC PSU to stick in there.
And Barry said they learned not to have the first customers beta test it....sure...
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The packard bell box computer I owned at one point had a 300 PSU in it and that was powering a core 2 duo and some slimline graphics card. And that was from a computer that cost £500. PSU's aren't expensive and a trip to Maplin can see you walking out with a 700 PSU (http://www.maplin.co.uk/700w-black-cit-atx-power-supply-with-12cm-silent-fan-264565) for £40. This is obviously for a full ITX PSU but HTPC PSU's are still only around £60-£100 depending on needed power.
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Sorry, I just can't buy my content from Apple.
The thought makes my skin crawl.
Doesn't have to be Apple, you could use Amazon or whoever, my point is that Physical Media is basically dead... I don't like moving parts in my computer.
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I do not understand why they make Marketing for their "Amiga" on the amiga sites. There is nothing in that has anything to do with Amiga. I am not against Linux but what has a pure Linux-distribution with Amiga? They never supported any of the existing amiga-camps. They could have donated money to different projects or could have paid someone to create drivers, port software or anything else. They never did. There are no connections to the community except the Logo (and Amiga Inc.). If they had wanted they could have sold "Commodore PC" with Aros preinstalled (and their own Linux) but they did not. And even if you seperate our emotional view it stays a non-innovative standard PC with Linux-distribution for too much money.
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Having Aros on as an option was the initial idea. I liked that, giving it a link to the heritage and also a possibility to gain more devs for rapid development. But before anything could be set into any kind of motion a nuclear reaction hit the Amiga sites.
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my point is that Physical Media is basically dead
Far from it. Dvd's and blurays are selling like never before, and 3d will boost bluray sells even more.
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Far from it. Dvd's and blurays are selling like never before, and 3d will boost bluray sells even more.
You are correct. DVD and Blu-Ray sales have both climbed over recent years and for those who are interested DVD outsells Blu-Ray about 3:1. However the comparative increase of both would give us about another 5 years before before Blu-Ray sales are as good as DVD sales. DVD still rules the roost it seems, perhaps not so surprising when one considers that the DVD player had the fastest take up rate of any consumer electronics device ever sold. The odd release does buck the trend however.
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You are correct. DVD and Blu-Ray sales have both climbed over recent years and for those who are interested DVD outsells Blu-Ray about 3:1. However the comparative increase of both would give us about another 5 years before before Blu-Ray sales are as good as DVD sales. DVD still rules the roost it seems, perhaps not so surprising when one considers that the DVD player had the fastest take up rate of any consumer electronics device ever sold. The odd release does buck the trend however.
Are you sure? I think DVD was out in 1996, but didn't really take off until 2001... I could be wrong I'm pulling numbers from memory here... But that's is quite a long uptake time, granted it could well be quicker than any other technology... But I'm not yet convinced.
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I think Apple was right; optical storage is, absolutely, finished. I haven't touched anything on an optical disc in at least three years, and my now 6-month old iMac's DVD drive has never been used nor will it ever be used. All the software, movies (in 1080p), TV shows and music I own were downloaded and are stored on an external drive.
CUSA's claim that this is the first new 'Amiga' for years in technically correct. Eyetech, Acube, Hyperion, Aeon et al never had the rights to use the Amiga name, only 'Amigaone'.
So, this is, literally, the first new 'Amiga' computer since the A4000T in, what, 1997-ish?
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Are you sure? I think DVD was out in 1996, but didn't really take off until 2001... I could be wrong I'm pulling numbers from memory here... But that's is quite a long uptake time, granted it could well be quicker than any other technology... But I'm not yet convinced.
The DVD format was introduced in 1996, that is quite correct. However, this does not mark the introduction of players to the consumer. The format was test marketed in the USA in 1997, Europe in 1998 and Australia in 1999. By 2000 I had plenty of authoring work (that was my job). The uptake of DVD players was boosted hugely by PC drives and consoles of course and these are often counted when considering "DVD players".
It is worth noting too that this record has been thrashed by the Wii, iPad, iPhone 4 and Kinect so I should have said that the DVD player WAS the fastest selling of any consumer electronics devices at the time.
DVD owes a large part of it's success to a guy called Tony Choi. He is known as the worlds biggest user of plastic and set up six DVD production lines before most people had any idea what DVD was, if it contains plastic and is made in China, tony probably has something to do with it. I met Tony a couple of times, he's one of those guys that doesn't guess the future, he just makes it happen.
Just for the record I also hate moving parts in my computers. I do however like physical media. USB media would have been ideal IMHO but has sadly never caught on.
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CUSA's claim that this is the first new 'Amiga' for years in technically correct. Eyetech, Acube, Hyperion, Aeon et al never had the rights to use the Amiga name, only 'Amigaone'.
So, this is, literally, the first new 'Amiga' computer since the A4000T in, what, 1997-ish?
I just wonder if Jay Miner would have been happy about it being called an Amiga. I very much doubt it.
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@Tripitaka,
That's cool! And I do feel that the USB flash has been much more of a success than you give it credit for... Sure the Big Content producers have avoided it like the plague, but everyone I know has loads of them and when I attend an event most companies given away content on them... Hell, I can pick up a 4gig in my local pound shop!!! :-o
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Just saw this about "Love Film" on engadget...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/22/lovefilm-streaming/
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Doesn't have to be Apple, you could use Amazon or whoever, my point is that Physical Media is basically dead... I don't like moving parts in my computer.
Hah, that's a funny definition of "physical media." Do you mean that, since you have an SSD in your computer, all your data exists in an ethereal "cloud" dimension that has transcended base matter? 'Cause I got news for you there...
In all seriousness, though, physical media isn't going anywhere yet - as pointed out, DVDs are still the format of choice for movie purchases, and while I think HDTV is a scam myself, it's not like Blu-Rays aren't selling. CDs continue to find shelf space in every store (even outside the general-merchandise retailers) no matter how much RIAA bawls about piracy.
The simple fact is that disc media has too many advantages to ignore. Optical discs don't match the storage density of Flash drives, but they're much cheaper to manufacture, and in home-video quantities that makes a huge difference. Hard disks may be slower and have to deal with moving parts (though honestly the danger there is vastly overrated, we're a long ways from the days of constant possibility of head-crash,) but SSDs can't touch 'em in price-per-megabyte.
I think Apple was right; optical storage is, absolutely, finished. I haven't touched anything on an optical disc in at least three years, and my now 6-month old iMac's DVD drive has never been used nor will it ever be used. All the software, movies (in 1080p), TV shows and music I own were downloaded and are stored on an external drive.
Yeah, and I have a buttload of stuff on my hard drive, too, but I can't go to the thrift store and buy a used download. That's really the point behind the attempts to move away from physical media, they want to kill secondhand sales.
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Yeah, and I have a buttload of stuff on my hard drive, too, but I can't go to the thrift store and buy a used download. That's really the point behind the attempts to move away from physical media, they want to kill secondhand sales.
Gaming consoles are moving that way anyways, mobile devices are there already (check your cell phone contract) and plenty of stores won't carry second hand PC software.
Im surprised they haven't simply legislated it out of existence, to be fair.
"Information is property"
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Yes, the power draw is too much for the PSU. They will hopefully figure that out when they finally build the prototype. If it's not melted too bad I'll bid on it...
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Maybe they should actually build real prototypes (instead of just photoshopped cases) before making announcements, then they would know the power supply won't work... Just saying... That would be best, especially with their history of photoshopped faked products that never see the light of day.:razz:
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I do not understand why they make Marketing for their "Amiga" on the amiga sites. There is nothing in that has anything to do with Amiga. I am not against Linux but what has a pure Linux-distribution with Amiga? They never supported any of the existing amiga-camps. They could have donated money to different projects or could have paid someone to create drivers, port software or anything else. They never did. There are no connections to the community except the Logo (and Amiga Inc.). If they had wanted they could have sold "Commodore PC" with Aros preinstalled (and their own Linux) but they did not. And even if you seperate our emotional view it stays a non-innovative standard PC with Linux-distribution for too much money.
cusa could have supported aros, that was their intention at first but then as they discovered they couldnt just borrow it for free, but actually had to pay to support it. cusa got on its high horse and started spewing crap all over the community. cusa have corned it self as the fool and they do it again and again, never learn. they could have got aros and supported it, then they have been accepted in the amiga community.
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Gaming consoles are moving that way anyways, mobile devices are there already (check your cell phone contract)
In some cases you don't even have to explicitly limit resale. I don't know how iPhone and Android apps work, but here's how J2ME apps work when purchased from, say, the AT&T Mall.
You browse the software via your phone then make your purchase. Your phone then downloads a JAD file which includes the download link for the application's JAR as well as a digital certificate.
The digital certificate has a finite life (some apps I've downloaded expire in two years) which means your phone won't accept it after expiration without some shenanigans, and the downloaded forced at the phone means you don't have an easy way to save it.
To get around the download part, I set my Firefox proxy to use the AT&T WAP proxy, set my user agent to mimic the supported phone (this is important as the AT&T Mall is programmed to reject unsupported and in some cases unlocked phones) then go on-line using my phone. I capture the JAD and JAR files and store them on my computer.
To get around the certificate issue, I could try to re-sign the application, which is not likely. Or I can set the phone's time back to a period during which the cert is valid. I can also make it part of the phone's customization pack and have it install during initial start up.
But for the average user, all of this means you buy it and you can never give it away, sell it, or restore it to your phone if something happens.
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Bonus points that downloads generally don't transfer to a new device, except in some rather specific circumstances.
"information as property" and it ain't yours :)
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cusa could have supported aros, that was their intention at first but then as they discovered they couldnt just borrow it for free, but actually had to pay to support it. cusa got on its high horse and started spewing crap all over the community. cusa have corned it self as the fool and they do it again and again, never learn. they could have got aros and supported it, then they have been accepted in the amiga community.
I for one would have had a bit more respect for them if they had done so. Instead they did the intellectual equivalence of defecating on Jay Miners grave.
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Found a nice computer and it's cheaper http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Evolution-3930K-OC-4-5Ghz-94p1243.htm and all I need is one of those AmigaKit boing ball stickers and a copy of Ubuntu/Mint. Awesome :)
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I do like the computer. It would be hard to buy one at that price.
If I it had Ubuntu on it would be nice. It really needs AOS4.1.
hmm.
I need to buy that case.
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It's all about product placement....
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__XCWUd8FFjQ/TUcOsgWhV_I/AAAAAAAAMkQ/uGETTlvINXM/s1600/BJsDicks.jpg)
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I don't disagree they need to make a profit. It's not a charity.
But, I don't think the system is justified at $2500 and I don't think there is anyone who will pay it. They have *at least* $1,000 worth of profit built in. The list of x86 computers that will blow the doors off of it for less money is very, very, very long.
I could be wrong. I just want to know ONE person who is buying it. That's all, just one.
Dropped to $1995 from 2449 or so, in few days of criticism. Soon they might even go realistic, even now it has about $500 (a 40% profit)
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New Amiga they say? Well, it's a very hi-spec computer in a box with an Amiga Logo on it..That's not an Amiga, no matter who has the rights to the name, the Amiga was a very original computer that offered (at the time) something a bit different.
Like most people I agree, you can get a metalic box and engarve a logo on it and call it what ever you like, but the Amiga computer was based on custom chip parts that gave it the edge over other computers and at a suitable price which made it popular for all kinds of usage...but this here is just another pre-fab 'Amiga' in my opinion, nice to look at though.
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While doing a Google search on the new Amiga I found this picture of the Commodore USA's 1000X (not Trevor's X1000). It looks different than the 1000X currently shown on the C-USA site.
http://www.logiprise.com/j/Amiga1000x_2012.png
Reminiscent of the original A1000 (casewise).
Maybe it's just a homemade photoshop.
I can see the picture, but unfortunately my web filter won't let me see any of the web page it's posted on.
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While doing a Google search on the new Amiga I found this picture of the Commodore USA's 1000X (not Trevor's X1000). It looks different than the 1000X currently shown on the C-USA site.
http://www.logiprise.com/j/Amiga1000x_2012.png
Reminiscent of the original A1000 (casewise).
Maybe it's just a homemade photoshop.
I can see the picture, but unfortunately my web filter won't let me see any of the web page it's posted on.
you just wondering when seeing that pic.. was there possible to fit more commodore amiga logos on the case/keyboards, LOL
it dont get more amiga if you have more logos on the case.... it looks crap... Photoshopped.... LOL
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Dropped to $1995 from 2449 or so, in few days of criticism. Soon they might even go realistic, even now it has about $500 (a 40% profit)
Very very interesting. I did a quick look at their forum, there is no word about this...
I wonder if there are any takers at $2,000?
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They have knocked $500 off the price after only a few days. Is this the introductory prices they were meant to sell at?
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you just wondering when seeing that pic.. was there possible to fit more commodore amiga logos on the case/keyboards, LOL
it dont get more amiga if you have more logos on the case.... it looks crap... Photoshopped.... LOL
Yes to all...
it was a friend of mine that posted that. he also said that Barry had taken the posts down almost instantly and sent some rather agressive PM's telling him never to post links to "similar" products again.
In any case here is the links.
A Weseana E5 case http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5 (http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5) and an Iton keyboard http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Product-Listing-Detail.aspx?ProductID=19065 (http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Product-Listing-Detail.aspx?ProductID=19065)
Oh and for those that are interested the pic of the box came from here http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm (http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm) and leo just slapped their 1000x ontop.
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They have knocked $500 off the price after only a few days. Is this the introductory prices they were meant to sell at?
No, they have been saying it was going to be $2500 for a couple of months now.
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While doing a Google search on the new Amiga I found this picture of the Commodore USA's 1000X (not Trevor's X1000). It looks different than the 1000X currently shown on the C-USA site.
http://www.logiprise.com/j/Amiga1000x_2012.png
Reminiscent of the original A1000 (casewise).
Maybe it's just a homemade photoshop.
I can see the picture, but unfortunately my web filter won't let me see any of the web page it's posted on.
Its from their promised designs, but likewize you can pick any of these dreams ...
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FutureModels.aspx
And none come true.
Hell, no one has seen real "VIC Mini" or this "amiga Mini" its all PS edited images
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Very very interesting. I did a quick look at their forum, there is no word about this...
I wonder if there are any takers at $2,000?
Too fast. They hadn't changed the web page yet...
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Oh yes, now options scalable starting at $1499
Another $500 saved :-)
Surely, for 500$ less you get i3-2130 3.4Ghz instead of i5
and 4GB RAM only.
Is this overpriced or not?
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Oh yes, now options scalable starting at $1499
Another $500 saved :-)
Surely, for 500$ less you get i3-2130 3.4Ghz instead of i5
and 4GB RAM only.
Is this overpriced or not?
1400 dollars for my system with an I7 2600K unlocked, Asus P8z68V PRO motherboard, 1000 watt gold Cooler Master PSU, Cooler Master case, 128G SSD, 16G ram, GTX560 Fermi, card reader, and pioneer blu ray drive. THis was 6 months ago. OH, and win7 Pro.
You tell me if they are overpriced garbage or not.
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I like the funny part where Barry says he has refunded all the customers that paid full price yesterday.
:roflmao:
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Too fast. They hadn't changed the web page yet...
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/2-welcome-mat/13674-commodore-usa-makes-it-right-lowers-prices-immediately-after-massive-consumer-outcry#13674
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Hah ive been reading up on all things amiga recently.Cbm Usa are patethic.
This sums it up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r5RYThiHM
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I like the funny part where Barry says he has refunded all the customers that paid full price yesterday.
:roflmao:
All none of them? ;)
Barry: How many orders have we taken in last 24 hours?
Leo: Errr... zero.
Barry: Are you sure?
Leo: Yep, I counted them... twice!
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1400 dollars for my system with an I7 2600K unlocked, Asus P8z68V PRO motherboard, 1000 watt gold Cooler Master PSU, Cooler Master case, 128G SSD, 16G ram, GTX560 Fermi, card reader, and pioneer blu ray drive. THis was 6 months ago. OH, and win7 Pro.
You tell me if they are overpriced garbage or not.
Pricey, but certainly not low quality.
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http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/2-welcome-mat/13674-commodore-usa-makes-it-right-lowers-prices-immediately-after-massive-consumer-outcry#13674
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
COMMODORE USA MAKES IT RIGHT; LOWERS PRICES IMMEDIATELY AFTER MASSIVE CONSUMER OUTCRY.
FORT LAUDERDALE, FL. March 22, 2012 – Commodore USA, LLC announced today the revision of the introductory price of its latest offering, the AMIGA mini, as well as the addition of configuration options, allowing for the selection of both CPU and memory.
Due to an overwhelming outpouring of customer comments, along with those posted on the major tech blogs, the company has listened to the thousands of requests for both lower prices and more choices, and responded today with prices and options that most respondents indicated was in line with other current offerings.
CEO Barry Altman states “Although we were ecstatic over the enormous traffic and positive interest generated by our recent product launch, we were equally dismayed and disheartened by the negativity regarding our initial pricing. In retrospect, we agree, and sincerely acknowledge our mistake, and hope you will take a second look at our new options and pricing. For all those customers who purchased the new AMIGA mini since yesterday’s launch, we have already reimbursed their credit card account reflecting the price difference. We would also like to thank all our supporters for their patience, as we attempt to revive the legendary Commodore and AMIGA brands”.
I love the way Barry writes as if he expects to get newspaper articles on this Mickey Mouse outfit. What were they expecting the reaction to their selling a ~$900-1300 computer for $2500 to be?
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All none of them? ;)
Barry: How many orders have we taken in last 24 hours?
Leo: Errr... zero.
Barry: Are you sure?
Leo: Yep, I counted them... twice!
Exactly. Because, if they were selling at all he would have given everyone flaming them on the web the finger, not reduce the price.
Still waiting for one person to step forward and claim they bought one :laugh1:
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Pricey, but certainly not low quality.
Let's see what $2000 get's you:
1. No keyboard or mouse.
2. A power supply that will blow up once you reach 50% occupancy on the CPU
3. $40 GPU integrated into the motherboard
4. A two month wait to get one (and that's at least 4 months if the timing matches CUSA's previous record.
That says quality right there.
Plus, there is no pictures of this mythical machine, I don't care if they have the logos on them or not. They can't find pictures they can photoshop of the motherboard in the case?
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Actually the base model is now a i3 for $1495. I7 with 16GB RAM and 1TB DH is $1995.
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Actually the base model is now a i3 for $1495. I7 with 16GB RAM and 1TB DH is $1995.
Actually, what difference does that make to my post. I'll amend my statement:
What do you get for your $1500-$2000?
1. No mouse or keyboard
2. A power supply that will blow up
3. A $40 integrated GPU
4. A two month wait to get one (minimum)
5. A mythical box that doesn't exist except for photoshoped concept pictures.
P.S. I saw Barry say he would post a picture of the back with the motherboard installed today. Leo too busy to Photoshop that for him?
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I like the funny part where Barry says he has refunded all the customers that paid full price yesterday.
:roflmao:
this just made my day... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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Why no real pictures of the actual computers?
Why no videos of the actual computers?
I mean, I think I know why... but its sad.
Also, does anyone know... if the boing ball stickers from amigakit are liscenced by hyperion... Whats stopping someone from selling pcs with the amiga boing ball case badges?
Maybe I'll do that, just for fun. I will become "COMMODORE AMERICA."
I better start working on my photo shop skills though.
Its hard running a computer empire, you know.
Steven
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All none of them? ;)
Barry: How many orders have we taken in last 24 hours?
Leo: Errr... zero.
Barry: Are you sure?
Leo: Yep, I counted them... twice!
Good one Darrin!
That is exactly the number I was guessing they had sold so far too. I guess great minds think alike.
Like everyone else here (except maybe one member), I doubt that any of these exist yet and this is just an idea that Barry and his staff (Leo), have thought of trying out. The reason for the 4 to 6 week delivery time is so Leo can order all the separate parts at the lowest prices he can find online and then wait the one to two weeks for them to get delivered. Then it takes a few more days for Leo to take the case to the engraver shop to get the Amiga logo lettering engraved into the case. Another day to take a picture, so they will have something besides a photoshop version to show everyone two months from now and then another week to assemble the parts in the newly engraved case, so they can put it all into a generic box with a photoshoped label pasted on it, so it will be ready to ship to the buyer.
Ta Da! 4 to 6 weeks later you get their amazing new "Amiga" delivered to the 2 buyers dumb enough to buy one of these systems. 8 weeks later CUSA has to come up with a new plan to try to make money from the Commodore & Amiga names that they have purchased, because their plans so far aren't getting them anywhere and they are probably starting to realize that CUSA is loosing money too quickly and with all the bad press and lack of sales, they will soon be out of business and can't resell the only thing that they have that is worth anything, the license to use the Commodore and Amiga names. At least let us hope that they cannot sub-lease this license that then purchased to use those names.
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cusa could have supported aros, that was their intention at first but then as they discovered they couldnt just borrow it for free, but actually had to pay to support it. cusa got on its high horse and started spewing crap all over the community. cusa have corned it self as the fool and they do it again and again, never learn. they could have got aros and supported it, then they have been accepted in the amiga community.
It was the bounty wasn't it? CUSA wasn't prepared to pay it right?
It's understandable...it's a large sum of money for anyone to pay especially if they were unprepared...
Saying that don't put the downer on it yet, I still have high hopes for AROS....if the new Amiga sales kick off you never know what may happen...
The funny thing that always gets me is....given the importance of Amiga cross-compatibility with the x86 platform, why hasn't Hyperion/Amiga Inc. actually done anything about it ie. like acquire or work with AROS? It would make it so much easier from a development perspective to develop official versions of AmigaOS for the x86 platform (given now it is the dominant architecture, with portability & power). Isn't that what Apple did with NeXT? They bought it so they could do the needed work without the legal wrangles? I don't understand Hyperions logic....
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YES AOS should be ported to x86, but it will never happen. They LIKE robbing you for ridiculously overpriced 10 year old spec hardware just to run their precious os.
On this new "amiga".
This whole thing is kind of ridiculous. even 2k for a computer you can get elsewhere for 1k is just not going to work. I don't think even the most rapid amiga fans would pay an extra 1000$ just for an engraved case. If anything, they can now just buy their own boing ball or amiga stickers and case badges.
Also, after all their hype and talk of 20,000$ workstation class amigas this is a complete and total joke, especially the gpu. What did they just get these boards really cheap at some surplus computer site?
Steven
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It was the bounty wasn't it? CUSA wasn't prepared to pay it right?
It's understandable...it's a large sum of money for anyone to pay especially if they were unprepared...
It should been a mere pittance for a company that would had us believe their advertising budget was some millions of dollars. You are the second top poster on the CUSA forums, are you just a fan are some how affiliated to this company?
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Yes, low quality. 1400 dollars at newegg will get you a top of the line mobo, PSU, memory, hard drive (gen 2 SSD), name brand case, card reader, blu ray player, and an NVIDIA card two off from the top of the line. If I bump my figure to 1550, that covers the Leopold Otaku brown Tenkeyless, Razer Abyssus and Puretrack Talent mousepad.
At my price point, you're building an I3. I can get an I3 from Dell for 300 bucks.
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4 to 6 weeks is absurd.I think they plan to just assemble them as they are ordered if anyones mad enough to buy one.This is quite funny and hard to believe but highly entertaining.Ive just returned to amiga stuff recently and its my interest in natami thats brought me back.
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I have said it before but I will say it again. There will be people who buy these machines. They will buy them from either a nostalgia stand point, because they genuinly believe that these are good computers, from the brand name or because they have the money to blow on one of these computers.
That's what CUSA will be banking on. I bet they will have a few hundered orders simply from this recent price drop. Because people will believe that they are getting a good deal from it.
They will probably sell enough in the long run to keep them around for a while longer anyway. Or until Barry moves onto something else.
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All fair and good to those who want to blow their cash on one of these - I certainly do not care where people spend their money.
I do, however get a little annoyed at people selling garbage that their customers will only have problems with. There is no room for debate. A 120 watt PSU is not enough. It just isn't, and there are going to be all sorts of problems.
That 120 watt PSU isn't even HALF of what a basic mini itx i3/i5/i7 board with integrated gfx requires when it's all assembled with drives in full computer form.
Basic i3 Mini-ITX with 1 HDD, one optical drive, the add on wifi module, plus the fans that come with the case will pull well over 250 watts under 95% load. This doesn't even factor in USB devices, etc.
I've built. worked on and sold 100's of custom made high end PC's, and I find it appalling that they would knowingly sell something like this with a 120 watt PSU like that.
EDIT: The Intel i7 2700k (Sandybridge, LGA1155, 4 core/8 thread, 8 MB cache, 3.50 GHz, 32 nm) has a 95 Watt TDP. This is the CPU they offer in the high end Amiga Mini that also contains the 120 watt Power Supply Unit.
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I love the immediate refund announcement! This is pure comedy, I just imagine Apple, or Dell/Alienware or Asus doing that! :)
What I'll do is I'll wait for the $20,000 super-workstation...
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All none of them? ;)
Barry: How many orders have we taken in last 24 hours?
Leo: Errr... zero.
Barry: Are you sure?
Leo: Yep, I counted them... twice!
Funny!
The best thing is that they have announced a cut in price! A day later! It just shows you how much they believe in their product! Either that or they don't know how to price their stuff!
Let's see if I can add one...
Barry: So how much shall we sell this for? I have cut my hands to stuff it inside this damn, small case!
Leo: mmmh, dunno, let's say $1500? What do you think?
Barry: ONLY? ARE YOU MAD? What do I pay you for hey?
Leo: ok, ok...don't get angry...let me see...between $2500 and 3000? What about $3500? Come on $3500, hey, what do you think?
Barry: better...call it $3450, it looks better.
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It was the bounty wasn't it? CUSA wasn't prepared to pay it right?
It's understandable...it's a large sum of money for anyone to pay especially if they were unprepared...
Saying that don't put the downer on it yet, I still have high hopes for AROS....if the new Amiga sales kick off you never know what may happen...
The funny thing that always gets me is....given the importance of Amiga cross-compatibility with the x86 platform, why hasn't Hyperion/Amiga Inc. actually done anything about it ie. like acquire or work with AROS? It would make it so much easier from a development perspective to develop official versions of AmigaOS for the x86 platform (given now it is the dominant architecture, with portability & power). Isn't that what Apple did with NeXT? They bought it so they could do the needed work without the legal wrangles? I don't understand Hyperions logic....
CUSA counted everything is free and then it turned out they need a driver for C64x audio I believe, that was made but closed source for I believe AspireOS AROS distro. Owner asked his price which was I beleieve $2500 or so, one and a half CUSA computer worth.
Funny part is that Leo promised CUSA will fund AROS development (on AROS EXEC), but there was not a $10 aid to any AROS related bounty.
AROS wasn`t as much developed as today when AmigaOS porting started and best to my knowledge wasn`t ever considered official candidate. Apple approach could be simulated with Rosetta stone PPC translator even today if there were enough funds to licence such PPC to x86 JIT plus port of OS to x86. And CUSA promised to develop their own CommodoreOS but it turned out to be slight modification, not even in agreement and acknowledge of real distro authors.
Shame by shame to save as much as they can, and then overcharge any fool.
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Good one Darrin!
Ta Da! 4 to 6 weeks later you get their amazing new "Amiga" delivered to the 2 buyers dumb enough to buy one of these systems. 8 weeks later CUSA has to come up with a new plan to try to make money from the Commodore & Amiga names that they have purchased, because their plans so far aren't getting them anywhere and they are probably starting to realize that CUSA is loosing money too quickly and with all the bad press and lack of sales, they will soon be out of business and can't resell the only thing that they have that is worth anything, the license to use the Commodore and Amiga names. At least let us hope that they cannot sub-lease this license that then purchased to use those names.
Exactly my 2 cents on how they emulate to be the real company via website, facebook etc. Its all market testing and build up later. Sad, because if they invested some real money in deal with some real manufacturers and larger quantities, with less profit margin, they might even get competitive and succed.
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It should been a mere pittance for a company that would had us believe their advertising budget was some millions of dollars. You are the second top poster on the CUSA forums, are you just a fan are some how affiliated to this company?
Yes I am indeed the same person, and yes I have heard that argument before.
However I am not affiliated with them. As I said time and again here on A.org and everywhere else I am just a customer of theirs who happen to appreciate what they do, who visits them from time to time (albeit a little overzealously) because I see they have a potent future to develop for the Amiga & Commodore community if they manage it right. And like all here I want to see Commodore & Amiga back as a great brand with great innovative products...eventually with their own engineering team to develop customized chipsets like the old days. To me the Intel platform for them is just a stepping stone....it's just the start. How other people see them (or me for that matter) is not my concern...
That said, on the subject of the new Mini I do find their recent pricing has been chaotic, and I understand the frustrations felt by folks like yourself that it doesn't seem good enough. And they have done good to listen to the community and knock off $500 off the top price. I know to some it may still not be enough...they are no Apple with thousands of retail stores dotted all over the world....but at least it's a start.
As it happens I do try to help everyone in my capacity as an Amiga & CUSA community member, by stating what I believe modern day users realistically want from the Amiga and Commodore brands. To be realistic to bring the brands and products into fruition we have to take into account to what has happened to the manufacturing of computers in the last 20 years in particular spare parts as there have been so many changes. Supplies Commodore used to use are no longer there ie. SID chips - so we have to be realistic in what the make-up of the new system should be. And we all believe Intel now is the way to go for there to be any future at all for the Amiga platform - as for the price and performance it is unbeatable. As an ideas person primarily, I've said to Barry and Leo what I really want from an Amiga i.e. new practical and powerful A500s/A1000s, and told them their pricing of the machines and the specs they offer have to be competitive to appeal to the market. I offer them ideas and solutions as to what they may be. Sometimes I see them veering off course, and I try to bring them back on track with what should be important (given my experience of 30+ years of computing and management experience). The Mini wasn't my suggestion of course, but I see why they decided to bring it out. It appeals to those who lives in tight spaces and is looking for a real alternative to a Mac Mini or HTPC for their needs. It may not appeal to all but I think they have a good strategy. I think having it Amiga branded is just the icing on the cake...
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Middleman: Enthusiasm is just super. If you enjoy their products, honestly - nothing makes me happier. You are obviously an intelligent fellow, so let me break it down to just common sense.
Now please explain to me how a 120 watt power supply unit is going to power well over 250 watts of gear in that new machine, min specs? Are you starting to see why people get down the necks of the C-USA Bible Thumpers around here when simple facts are ignored?
Simple logic. Use it. The Amiga Mini is not a "start". A 2700k all kitted out won't run off that PSU. Period. I know this well, just having built a new gaming PC with similar specs. I put a 1000 watt PSU in this machine for safe measure. It's not even functional if the PSU specs are correct. Anyone that's ever read a "Computers for Dummies" book will tell you that. I've used cases with the same Pico PSU's. I had my SAM in one. I found it weak for my tastes for my SAM 440, with one hard disk and one optical drive.
The CPU uses NINETY FIVE WATTS (+) of ONE HUNDRED TWENTY WATTS offered by the PSU. The hard disks, optical drives, fans, wifi addons, etc do not run on warm feelings and best intentions.
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To be fair to C=USA, since they are licensing the Amiga name from Amiga Inc, they are legally bound by Amiga Inc's agreements. Notice it is COMMODORE OS, not Amiga OS. AROS was too close to the Hyperion/Amiga Inc settlement for comfort.
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And like all here I want to see Commodore & Amiga back as a great brand with great innovative products...eventually with their own engineering team to develop customized chipsets like the old days. To me the Intel platform for them is just a stepping stone....it's just the start.
Perhaps if they had made new "Commodore PCs" and cases whilst leaving off the Amiga logo until they had something worthy of it they could have built up some respect. Even then the PCs would need to be competitive.
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Middleman: Enthusiasm is just super. If you enjoy their products, honestly - nothing makes me happier. You are obviously an intelligent fellow, so let me break it down to just common sense.
Now please explain to me how a 120 watt power supply unit is going to power well over 250 watts of gear in that new machine, min specs? Are you starting to see why people get down the necks of the C-USA Bible Thumpers around here when simple facts are ignored?
Simple logic. Use it. The Amiga Mini is not a "start". A 2700k all kitted out won't run off that PSU. Period. I know this well, just having built a new gaming PC with similar specs. I put a 1000 watt PSU in this machine for safe measure. It's not even functional if the PSU specs are correct. Anyone that's ever read a "Computers for Dummies" book will tell you that. I've used cases with the same Pico PSU's. I had my SAM in one. I found it weak for my tastes for my SAM 440, with one hard disk and one optical drive.
The CPU uses NINETY FIVE WATTS (+) of ONE HUNDRED TWENTY WATTS offered by the PSU. The hard disks, optical drives, fans, wifi addons, etc do not run on warm feelings and best intentions.
Duce,
Please take this the right way, because I agree with you 100%
But, 95 Watt TPD is how much heat it produces, not how much electricity. The i7 2700k actually uses way more than 95 watts at peak, so your point is twice as valid.
Middleman-
They have been talking about releasing the Amiga Mini in "about a week" for two months now. All that we got new 2 days ago was slightly retouched photoshopped images.
In the last 2 months couldn't they have made one and tried it out?
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I know, Optimus. I'm well aware of the confusions of TDP and what they actually mean, was just citing raw numbers from Intel spec sheets to illustrate some provable data.
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because I see they have a potent future to develop for the Amiga & Commodore community if they manage it righ
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OK. Potent future prerequisites:
How big programming team they have?
Engeneering team?
Any outsourced development?
Their own PC components factory or long term agreement with any manufacturer that would lower their prices which are over highest single buy price?
Any real new products beside C64x case?
Any real hardware or software suppport (repair, troubleshooting)
Any real partnership beside e.g. selling Tron with C64x (note no one would refuse to offer Amiga Forever or Tron to go with elses product, by partnership I mean joint development, or constant supply of product in the future).
They simply don`t indent to build team beside loudspeaking and assembling PC and only thing that differs them from local PC components vendor are higher prices and shiny name.
Just as development and strategy example, remember all the web site poor designs, photoshopped images instead of real products, specification changes and delays. They appeared at time A1 X1000 was announced, but yet much more complex X1000 design, production and software adjustment wen`t months ahead of their "Amiga".
See their team on corporate section of website, it suits PR agency better then sw or hw company. And it gives such results.
Shiny example how NOT to behave in bussiness, and maybe only similarity with some other Amiga announcements
and history turn overs.
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I know, Optimus. I'm well aware of the confusions of TDP and what they actually mean, was just citing raw numbers from Intel spec sheets to illustrate some provable data.
I should also note that the case manufacturer recommends a 65 watt TPD CPU, citing the lack of space for a proper heatsink for a 95+ watt CPU. So, unless they are using a low profile server heatsink that sounds like a jet engine, it's a fail in that area is well.
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Well I take *some* of what I said back. They did post a picture of the back, so we know they at least have the motherboard. I still contend they have not tested it, because it simply cannot work.
(http://commodoreusa.net/j/AMIGAminiBack.jpg)
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It puzzles me why they would dick around with this in a public fashion, tbh.
If they had built even one of the 2700k Mini machines, kitted out in top end spec, they would have learned very, very quickly that PSU that comes with the case is nothing more than a doorstop.
Surely in this day and age a company wouldn't just pull components out of a "dream PC" list on a website and offer it to the market without doing at least one build?
I mean, my 12 year old niece would see the glaring contradictions and impending nightmare of that PSU with those components, and her knowledge of computer builds goes about as far as plugging her iPad into the AC outlet to charge it.
I've been terribly critical of C-USA, but the truth is I couldn't care less who buys their product at what price as long as they enjoy them. I don't buy prebuilt PC's because it's a foolish waste of money, but for the life of me it boggles my mind how they dropped the ball on this one regarding specs and that PSU. And don't get me started on heat issues that will occur :)
I hope they have a better solution that simply is not yet listed on their website to remedy this, even if it only amounts to an external power brick at least the machine would run.
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Hmmm, 4video connections, and free of the useless connections you find on the back of a lot of PCs...
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They do not have a good track record of providing believable photos, so a C= applique on a I/O shield doesn't mean much to me.
Remember the "factory photos" debacle? lol
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Good one Darrin!
That is exactly the number I was guessing they had sold so far too. I guess great minds think alike.
Like everyone else here (except maybe one member), I doubt that any of these exist yet and this is just an idea that Barry and his staff (Leo), have thought of trying out. The reason for the 4 to 6 week delivery time is so Leo can order all the separate parts at the lowest prices he can find online and then wait the one to two weeks for them to get delivered. Then it takes a few more days for Leo to take the case to the engraver shop to get the Amiga logo lettering engraved into the case. Another day to take a picture, so they will have something besides a photoshop version to show everyone two months from now and then another week to assemble the parts in the newly engraved case, so they can put it all into a generic box with a photoshoped label pasted on it, so it will be ready to ship to the buyer.
Ta Da! 4 to 6 weeks later you get their amazing new "Amiga" delivered to the 2 buyers dumb enough to buy one of these systems. 8 weeks later CUSA has to come up with a new plan to try to make money from the Commodore & Amiga names that they have purchased, because their plans so far aren't getting them anywhere and they are probably starting to realize that CUSA is loosing money too quickly and with all the bad press and lack of sales, they will soon be out of business and can't resell the only thing that they have that is worth anything, the license to use the Commodore and Amiga names. At least let us hope that they cannot sub-lease this license that then purchased to use those names.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. :)
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Now Barry has announced an Official Reseller program, selling the barebones cases in lots of 10. Conversation overheard at CUSA headquarters:
Leo: "The website still shows zero sales of the Amiga Mini, even after lowering the price"
Barry:""F*ck. I can't just double or triple the price of the components and have people buy them?"
Leo: "No Sir, it appears people are indeed capable of simple math. And, now that I read Amiga.org and Amigaworld.net, it looks like our configuration will never work."
Barry:"F*ck. Did we sell any barebones units?"
Leo: "Yes, a few, I think my mad photoshop skills fooled them"
Barry:"Excellent, so we can sell those for triple our cost!!! Let's sell these cases to someone else and pass off making it work and support to them. Hell, we can even pass off COS support to them."
Leo: "Yes Sir!!!"
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So whoever called this as a reseller scam, give yourself a pat on the back. Then have a good laugh at Barry for thinking anyone will be dumb enough to fall for it.
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CUSA needs to STOP trying to use the ppl of this forum as marketing strategists and STOP insulting the intelligence A.O. users! CUSA seems to be a real :mickeymouse: operation!
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CUSA needs to STOP trying to use the ppl of this forum as marketing strategists and STOP insulting the intelligence A.O. users! CUSA seems to be a real :mickeymouse: operation!
Well they are partners with Disney. :D
They're also f******* goofy ;)
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So whoever called this as a reseller scam, give yourself a pat on the back. Then have a good laugh at Barry for thinking anyone will be dumb enough to fall for it.
I'm a little surprised. Barry went on rant one time on his forum that he was not interested in selling barebones units, that they were only a tiny percentage of sales and that he only did so as a service to the community.
Clearly that's a bunch of BS. If he can't sell them for $2500 and make a mound of profit, he's out.
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So whoever called this as a reseller scam, give yourself a pat on the back. Then have a good laugh at Barry for thinking anyone will be dumb enough to fall for it.
Wasn't it Darrin who recently mentioned stuff to do with this?
I am a little confused as to why he doesn't want to sell anything other than the Vic Mini in "big box" store. I cant see competition having very much to do with it.
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Barry personally requested this story be posted to Amiga.org AW.net on a thread entitled "Walt Mossberg loves the new Amiga Mini", so I'm going to ablige him:
http://allthingsd.com/20120321/forget-the-ultrabook-go-with-the-new-commodore/
When someone pointed out that the story is largely tonge-in-cheek, he deleted their post and locked the thread. I should also point out, it doesn't seem to be written by Walt at all.
I love the CUSA forum.
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Wasn't it Darrin who recently mentioned stuff to do with this?
Yep, I've mentioned it several time as to what I "think" they're up to. It is interesting to see how right I was. :)
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Barry personally requested this story be posted to Amiga.org AW.net on a thread entitled "Walt Mossberg loves the new Amiga Mini", so I'm going to ablige him:
http://allthingsd.com/20120321/forget-the-ultrabook-go-with-the-new-commodore/
When someone pointed out that the story is largely tonge-in-cheek, he deleted their post and locked the thread. I should also point out, it doesn't seem to be written by Walt at all.
I love the CUSA forum.
Just send him this back:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/amiga-mini-high-end-pc-wants-to-relive-commodore-glory-days-50007414/
:D
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OSX is a fancy UI sitting on a Darwin UNIX distribution. I wonder what you'd make of OSX if it was based on the an Ubuntu or Debian core (and thus has better driver support, more software and is entirely, as opposed to part, open source)?
And the Mac has OSX while the "Amiga" uses a Linux distro.
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Be interesting to see what comes back from it.
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OSX is a fancy UI sitting on a Darwin UNIX distribution. I wonder what you'd make of OSX if it was based on the an Ubuntu or Debian core (and thus has better driver support, more software and is entirely, as opposed to part, open source)?
OS X users don't have to worry about drivers, everything comes fully functional right out of the box from day one. Nearly everything from linux land compiles just fine on OS X as well.
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Just send him this back:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/amiga-mini-high-end-pc-wants-to-relive-commodore-glory-days-50007414/
:D
Well already I'm NOT liking this person Natasha Lomas (http://www.cnet.co.uk/authors/natasha-lomas-39025127/) alot! LAMOS! :furious:
But, this would be funny! "Apple's lawyers are presumably getting ready to fire forth a barrage of cease-and-desist letters claiming it patented smallness." :lol:
At any rate..... nice find Darrin!
BTW, anyone elso spot Franko's post?
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anonymous 22 March, 2012 22:32
Finally... :-)
A site that actually dares speak the truth about this whole grave robbing scam that is CUSA and their fake non Amiga products... thank you... :-)
Been an Amiga user for 26 years and still use them everyday, CUSA and Barry Altman it's owner & CEO have been spamming the Amiga forums for two years now insulting folk and along with his CTO Leo Nigro telling us "We better like it or else"... WTF !!!
Nice to see someone finally say it like it is and point out that CUSA have sod all to to with the original & real Commodore or the original and real Amiga... :-)
These products are nothing more than off the shelf PC parts, in a case you can purchase from Bay, running a free Amiga emulator under a free OS (Linux) that CUSA try to pass of as a new Amiga OS they call "Vision" (all overpriced of course)... ;-)"
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Be interesting to see what comes back from it.
Here's what I wrote many months ago:
It seems to me the business plan is to have lots of people use their saving to set themselves up as "official Commodore dealers", spend THEIR money to order stock, C-USA then buys units for the actual manufactures to manufactuers at a huge discount to what the "official dealers" will pay with no risk involved, slap a C= sticker on them, ship them to the dealers and then sit back and watch while the official dealers struggle to sell their already overpriced stock at an even higher price.
This would explain why C-USA are so militant against any negative posts as the last thing they want are potential investors Googling their past antics. It also explains the massive hype. Nobody is going to be keen on investing in a company run from a tiny Mall shop in Florida. You need to make bold claims about being partners with Disney, owning your own OS, having massive factories in China and hundreds of thousands of waiting customers eager to part with huge sums of cash.
It's a brilliant plan, but not exactly original. Other companies do it with womens' makeup, health food and other assorted tat every day.
When someone asked me if it was really possible, I replied:
It doesn't need to go anywhere in the long run, just in the short run because the LLC can fold up and then the people behind it just start up another business. Meanwhile, the people operating the actual dealerships are left with the expensive equipment and the financial woes.
Mind you, some do work. It is no different to selling Tupperware, Avon or Mary Kay. As long as there are people willing to invest some money then the business will continue. The lure of becomming your own boss and "making millions working from home" is quite powerful and there are lots of people offering to help you achieve this as seen by the constant TV ads, magazine ads and even posters nailed to telegraph poles all over the USA.
Can I interest you in some osterich eggs?
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/...ents/wacky.htm
and then I wrote C=USA a sales pitch (and I want to get paid for it if they use it):
"Hi, I'm the CEO of Commodore USA and I have a unique business plan for select people like you which is guaranteed to make you rich! Interested? You bet you are, and together we are going to make more money than you imagined. Do you know what was the biggest selling personal computer in the world? The Commodore 64! It sold millions all over the world and hardware and software is still being produced for it today. Well, we're back. We've already launched a brand new model called the C64x with our partners Disney and sold out in just a few months. Demand exceeded my wildest expectation so much that I had to put back plans to supply a major high street retail chain with hundreds of thousands of units! So, you must be asking yourself "How does this affect me?". Well, I've had a major rethink based on the success so far. Why should we give these computers to a major retailer who avoids taxes, pays their staff minimum wage and who has no enthusiasm for the product? Why don't I just harness the energy of a select few. A select and highly motivated bunch of people like yourselves who are willing to work hard and achieve the American Dream! Who here wants to be rich? Show me your hands, who wants to be rich? Yeah, we all do and together we're going to be. Rich and successful! You see, together as a team we can have a combined buying power as great as HP or Dell which lowers the purchasing cost of components. Using my extensive network of contacts and factories in China and my established transportation network we could buy $1000 state-of-the-art machines and sell them easily for $2000 or more! Yes, that's right, you can double your money instantly and then keep on doubling it! I produce the computers and have them shipped to the USA where they are configured for the customer. You gentlemen pay a small fee to become an elite Commodore authorised Dealer and then purchase a minimum stock from me each month or quarter in order to meet your demand. I ship the units directly to you. You sell them and you can make thousands of dollars each month! Imagine you invest $5,000 to buy 5 machines. You sell them for $10,000 and you have made a profit of $5000 for that month! Now imagine you reinvest all of that $10,000 and buy 10 machines the next month and sell them for $20,000, you've made $15,000 in just two months! Now do it again for the next month and then the next month... do you know how much you could make in 1 year? Do you? I'll tell you... over 20 MILLION DOLLARS! 20 MILLION! Not bad for a $5000 investment, eh? Imagine investing $10,000! Anyone here making $20,000,000 a year? No? Anyone here want to make $20,000,000 a year? Yeah, I thought so. OK, who is ready to sign up?"
:D
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It's FreeBSD under the bonnet. BSD was and is know for stability and security.
OSX is a fancy UI sitting on a Darwin UNIX distribution. I wonder what you'd make of OSX if it was based on the an Ubuntu or Debian core (and thus has better driver support, more software and is entirely, as opposed to part, open source)?
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OSX is a fancy UI sitting on a Darwin UNIX distribution. I wonder what you'd make of OSX if it was based on the an Ubuntu or Debian core (and thus has better driver support, more software and is entirely, as opposed to part, open source)?
And the award for the least original use of the Apple card goes to....
Just kidding. But I don't get where your coming from.
@Darin
Again it would be interesting to see what comes from all this.
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and then I wrote C=USA a sales pitch (and I want to get paid for it if they use it):
:D
Brilliant. One thing that Barry is adding to the pitch is the "priceless" link on their webpage to official dealers. :crazy:
I think it's been demonstrated that someone can build the Amiga Mini to the sames specs as them but at a fraction of the price. All you would need to do is undercut CUSA enough to draw customers away from buying from CUSA, then Viloa, CUSA is in the case making buisness exclusively. Let's face it, the C64x case is two pieces of plastic and a keyboard, at $350 it's a cash cow. The Amiga Mini case is for sure as high a profit as well.
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More on the reseller thing. Leo just posted this (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/13712-authorized-commodore-a-amiga-resellercustom-configurator-program?lang=en#13742).
There will be a more formalised agreement with dealers....but these are pretty much the basics.
All responsibilities, such as hardware support and warranties, are entirely on the dealers of course....should something go wrong.
I also imagine there will be a clause about conformance to various price structures, particularly when the same components are used that we do.
Support for Commodore OS Vision on any machine whatsoever would be up to the dealers.
(even if identical to our own configurations)
I also imagine that the dealers will be able to obtain Commodore OS cheaply from us, in a manner yet to be determined.
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So this is the "deadbeat baby-daddy" method of franchising, then?
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More on the reseller thing. Leo just posted this (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/13712-authorized-commodore-a-amiga-resellercustom-configurator-program?lang=en#13742).
Yep, all liability is on the dealers.
I wonder how exchanges will work for DOA machines. Dealer sends computer to customer, customer's computer dies, customer sends computer back, dealer sends computer back to C=USA... months go by... customer gets a lawyer and sends nasty letters to dealer, dealer sends desperate emails to C=USA, lawyer sets court date for dealer, C=USA ceases trading, dealer goes to court and loses.
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Yep, all liability is on the dealers.
I wonder how exchanges will work for DOA machines. Dealer sends computer to customer, customer's computer dies, customer sends computer back, dealer sends computer back to C=USA... months go by... customer gets a lawyer and sends nasty letters to dealer, dealer sends desperate emails to C=USA, lawyer sets court date for dealer, C=USA ceases trading, dealer goes to court and loses.
I'm a DEALER!!! I would never have anything to do with a company like this! EVER! I would lose my A$$ inside of 6 months!
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Actually this reseller initiative from Barry may be a blessing in disguise. If they outsource the barebones cases this would allow people who actually know about computers to build them properly.
All we have to do is buy the cases in bulk, then decide what components to use and finally find someone to do the labor and we are set. For the labor i think Karlos could be useful here, he always did make a good forklift.
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You're forgetting the CUSA tax. There's no way CUSA will let you make computers under the Commodore name without your giving him a hefty chunk of your profit. To cope with that chunk, you'll have to put your prices up so high that you wouldn't be able to compete.
CUSA seem to think that people will buy a PC at a higher price because it has the name "Amiga"... or are they just trying to convince the "resellers" of that?
If you go near this scheme, you WILL lose money, it's as simple as that.
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"With the exception the VIC Slim, we do not intend to sell our current prebuilt products to any of the large "Big Box" retailers. Our resellers/configurators will have no competition in their locations, as we will limiting the amount of dealers in any one specific area. "
Erm, what happened to the plan that these things would be available on store shelves everywhere? :lol:
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You're forgetting the CUSA tax. There's no way CUSA will let you make computers under the Commodore name without your giving him a hefty chunk of your profit. To cope with that chunk, you'll have to put your prices up so high that you wouldn't be able to compete.
CUSA seem to think that people will buy a PC at a higher price because it has the name "Amiga"... or are they just trying to convince the "resellers" of that?
If you go near this scheme, you WILL lose money, it's as simple as that.
Exactly! My margins are so low 'cause I'm lucky if I can sell a loaded i3 for $400 and that's WITH Win 7! I already sell ASUS i3 laptops for $400! Imagine trying to sell something WAY overpriced in some goofy looking case. Peeps are so poor these days they come in with Win 98 machines asking me if I can put WinXP on them and get them running again expecting to pay something like $50! (I refuse to pirate Win keys)! The Amiga community is actually much smaller than one might imagine - why do you think CUSA continually bothers the peeps on Amiga forums to part with their hard earned cash?! I'm sure CUSA genuinly thought they could sell the C= and Amiga names on PC's - BAD business decision! Barry should just cut his losses or partner with someone that can actually recreate a real C= / Amiga experience - and that would only be AROS or MorphOS! The REAL Amiga market is locked up by Hyperion - period. The only thing Barry has is the legal right to use the C= and Amiga names. Not much of a business model.
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"With the exception the VIC Slim, we do not intend to sell our current prebuilt products to any of the large "Big Box" retailers. Our resellers/configurators will have no competition in their locations, as we will limiting the amount of dealers in any one specific area. "
Erm, what happened to the plan that these things would be available on store shelves everywhere? :lol:
Lol didn't you read the memo. They don't want competition on their own products.
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Lol didn't you read the memo. They don't want competition on their own products.
Don't these yo-yos know that the Big Boys all make their own "C=USA Amiga"-like cases already and have done for years?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1422092&CatId=1307
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1939178&CatId=4928
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1494915&CatId=4929
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=685765&CatId=333
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1976954&CatId=5139
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7122667&CatId=5139
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1926940&CatId=5139
I could go on forever, but I think that's enough... :)
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Lol didn't you read the memo. They don't want competition on their own products.
Not sure how support would work. But you would hope it would not be back to C USA.
Surely being made up of OEM components it would be component BTB for the end retailer.
It looks nice enough and the GFX card is more than enough to run all the current games and full HD video. Interesting the comments about expandability. In the Linux world proprietry badgers would want to limit that to supported product sets. Being able to plunk the latest GFX card in it does nothing for you if you dont have appropriate drivers. That's nothing but pain for all concerned.
Doesn't mention if the BD Rom is a BluRay Burner? If it is then you'd have to say this is a good "now" system that looks pretty schmacko and has the legacy badges to boot.
Having said that I have a simular 3.5 Ghz i7 CPU but 2700K System with striped 2x6GB/s raptor OS drives and striped 2x6GB/s 1TB data drives, USB3, BD Burner and a GTX570 card, Quiet ANTEC Sonata V case, and 23" Monitor. I paid $150 less. :)
BTW: The retail distribution method makes perfect business sense and is how most franchises work. You never see two 7Elevens in competition with each other in the same retail strip without at least a mile between them. Additionally C USA is not just targetting the Amiga community, they're targetting anybody who remembers the Amiga experience and their potential offspring. They're not stupid. But that doesn't mean it will work in a global recession/downturn.
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Don't these yo-yos know that the Big Boys all make their own "C=USA Amiga"-like cases already and have done for years?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1422092&CatId=1307
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1939178&CatId=4928
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1494915&CatId=4929
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=685765&CatId=333
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1976954&CatId=5139
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7122667&CatId=5139
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1926940&CatId=5139
I could go on forever, but I think that's enough... :)
Yup! I grossed a 1/4 million on PC/Laptop sales alone last year and I buy most everything from Tiger, NewEgg or CDW when it's on sale and mark it up to non-sale prices. Their (CDW) margines are around 1%! I'm an authorized Lenovo, Acer, Asus, MSI, HP (JUNK!), Dell & Sony dealer.... when I complaing to my reps about prices being near retail for dealers they just tell me to go to CDW! Anyone can do this! The trick in my case is I have a STORE FRONT where peeps can come in and ask questions and get simple help! I prep the computers for free! Ppl love it! Of course I make most my $$$ on the repairs though. It's long hours and no free time and I'm the only employee but I get the feeling Barry is way working WAY TOO HARD for little return! I make a house payment, pay the store rent, pay the bills for two places, plus Ins.. alarm.. internet... (you get the idea)... plus give the wifey about 4Gs a month & STILL buy my REAL Miggy stuff! Good Times! :) Oh, and the support is on the MANUFACTURER not me! Of course I help them box it up and send it in if needed (I've only had to do that twice in 5 years).... just don't sell peeps junk! Hell, 30 years ago I used to buy PC Clones from a little place in Texas call Treasure Chest Computer (cause they put together excellent machines at the time with cheap software extras even though they were higher priced than other mail order places) and resell them +10%! I would charge peeps $100 to spend a few hours teaching them how to use them and make 4 or 5 bills a week spare change! You know.... CUSA would make 100 times more money if they DROPPED the Amiga and C= name and came up with their own name and just stuck to great customer service!!! Ahhh, (and some of you honed right in on this) CUSA CAN'T support what they sell 'cause they are the end buyer! Asking for people to be their "dealers" to resell their stuff, and the possible defective parts + any bad computer build decisions for their end product is the "dealers" problem is... well, bad business. The "CUSA DEALER" would have no way to recoup any losses. Sheeeeeeeeesh! I gotta get off this!!!! Cheears Ya'll!!! :) Oh, and one more thing... [discalimer on] this is just all my own opinion [/disclaimer off]
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More on the reseller thing. Leo just posted this (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/13712-authorized-commodore-a-amiga-resellercustom-configurator-program?lang=en#13742).
I also imagine that the dealers will be able to obtain Commodore OS cheaply from us, in a manner yet to be determined.
So er... what exactly are they charging for "commodore OS" and are they making sources to the components they did not create themselves available, in compliance with the GPL?
If so, where?
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So er... what exactly are they charging for "commodore OS" and are they making sources to the components they did not create themselves available, in compliance with the GPL?
If so, where?
Complete the reselling scheme looks like easy way to build a distro net, but:
a) Initally reseller has to buy 10 barebones, that is ~$3400 investment that
gives just the case and BD ROM drive. He also determines end price,good news is that every even smaller dealer can get config cheaper then CUSA offer, even with $340 loss over case + licencing costs CUSA will extra charge
b) There will be a confusion on model naming and will and how Mint support exactly all possible combinations
c) Its questionable whether you can resell COS which isn`t exact intellectual property of CUSA without agreement with Mint team
b) Since suppliers will deal with all guarantees CUSA name worldwide depends on their reliablity
Its kind of win win for CUSA (licence and COS fee, barebone profit) without any responsibility or support to end dealer or user. Imagine OS support will be up to each and every dealer.
Again, just the profits, not too much work, just maintaining the webshop orders and sending cases and promo to "dealers". Will see how many will appear and stay in their own business generally working for CUSA profit more then for their own.
Its at the same time MLM genious and very unreliable scheme for dealers and end customers, no quality testing or real support.
But we need to love Leos optimism
Quote:
I We have received thousands of requests worldwide for such a program,
They never receive just few requests or sell few machines even its obviously small startup company
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So er... what exactly are they charging for "commodore OS" and are they making sources to the components they did not create themselves available, in compliance with the GPL?
If so, where?
As far as the GPL, there are no modified binaries and what Leo has done to Mint is script based.
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How much do these scripts cost then?
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Somehow I can't imagine who is going to buy such an overpriced PC, and I'm trying real hard. I mean - if someone who's got the money and is that retarded, there's usually somebody sane who handles money for him/her, right?
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*News from CommodoreUSA.net
http://www.commodoreusa.net//CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx
The Best Things Come In Small Packages
What about "poison comes in small packages"? Unexpandable, overpriced, only 1 year warranty with maybe underpowered PSU for intensive use and presumably low support lifetime (2 C64x models are already unavail) with Beta OS, maybe even built and supported by your local Damocles.
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Ha, Commodore USA has small packages.
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Ha, Commodore USA has small packages.
I thought them pretty big and made of brass to try this sh1t on us.
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In regards to the title of this thread...
That's what she said.
Edit: Oh, wait!!!
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@Dammy
Is COS V what was originally being called COS2?
Or is COS2 still on the horizon?
I was lead to believe that COS2 would be released with the Commodore Amiga and would be a totally new OS.
COSV is still a Linux variant like COS1, according to the Commodore USA website.
Cheers
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Somehow I can't imagine who is going to buy such an overpriced PC, and I'm trying real hard. I mean - if someone who's got the money and is that retarded, there's usually somebody sane who handles money for him/her, right?
Hey everyone!
I am that retard, apparently. Or nearly so!
It is refreshing to know that some users never change. So, two things:
1. I was willing to buy the system at $2500 USD
2. I am concerned about the power supply discussion
My post on the Commodore-amiga.org forum (based on what I learned from this thread on amiga.org) yielded this discussion:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/33-hardware-support/13746-amiga-mini-power-supply-gpu
I halted my purchase because half of my original post was not touched. Thanks to Xerxes for affirming I have a valid concern.
Also, when companies go from private to public, they get a really solid going-over by investment firms. These people ask the right questions. I met one of those folks on a plane flight, and it was an interesting conversation to say the least. Let's just say that one company's CTO got a lot of questions about why their IT application infrastructure was built exclusively in MUMPS programming language, thanks to my little chat.
Amiga Mini price:
I admit that until February, I had owned a Mac Mini for four years. In fact, I wouldn't even be looking at buying a Commodore system if the Mac Mini had not choked and died. The motherboard fried or the power circuitry failed, if anyone is curious. Anyway, since Apple won't do a thing to extend warranties past 3 years, I wasn't about to pay further premiums for their funny upgrade practices, one-off HFS+ filesystem (that was annoying, and thanks to Erik Larsson, author of Catacombae, for rescuing me there), I thought maybe a Linux distribution would be a good idea since repairing was prohibitively expensive on the Mac. So, yes, I agree, $2500 is a lot of money for a computer system. It certainly was a lot of money when I bought my A4000t. You are probably wondering why I thought this was a good move. Well, a Mac Pro quad-core is $2500, and specs aren't quite as good. An iMac prices in about the same, so no matter which comparable Apple system you go with, you are at or above $2500. A Dell Vostro, which gets close, comes to around $1500 when you play with the configurator, but it is quite bulky, and size matters for usage and portability to me. I do put value on the Commodore OS Vision. I realize that yes, it's a distro of Linux, and you can go and download all these things, but my time is worth something, so not downloading a dozen applications, configuring, and patching, that is easily worth a day of my time, and you can price that out however you see fit.
I do appreciate the efforts of folks here to price out building nearly the same setup as an Amiga Mini on their own. The 1-year warranty is worth something to me. I can't go build my own system, though, I don't know what I'm doing.
The Amiga Mini looks impressive on paper. Until you dig into it, and discover that on paper, the power supply unit is a concern from simple arithmetic.
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@vexar
If your after something small and powerful check out the Alienware X51:
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/desktops.aspx
Now this is the sort of machine CUSA should have made (as a Commodore PC not an "Amiga" I might add). Once they got some respect for doing great Commodore PCs then they could have made an Amiga worth calling an Amiga. They didn't do this however, instead they FAIL!
This system:
Alienware X51
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7-2600 3.4GHz (8MB Cache) with Hyper-Threading and Turbo Boost Technology 2.0
MEMORY 8GB (2x4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz
CHASSIS COLOR Matte Stealth Black with Dark Chrome Accents
VIDEO CARD 1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 555
HARD DRIVE 1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7,200RPM) 32MB Cache
WIRELESS DW1502 Wireless-N WLAN Half Mini-Card
With a 4 year guarantee and 4 years unlimited phone support plus guaranteed discount upgrade option, this setup still comes in at $1,768.00 with a keyboard and mouse. Why does anyone need an Amiga mini? You can of course build the system quite a bit cheaper without all the extra support options.
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nVidias own specs say this
Thermal and Power Specs:
98 C Maximum GPU Temperature (in C)
49 W Maximum Graphics Card Power (W)
300 W Minimum System Power Requirement (W)
(http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-430/specifications)
And some Guru3d.com specs
(http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gt-430-review/5)
Everything I read about this card says a 300w PSU at a min. It's interesting that Guru says full system load, under complete stress, is 242W. A few other give a roundish number of 180w. Also you have to factor in CPU load and any USB devices connected.
While I don't think it would go pop if overloaded, isn't it powered from an external power brick?, I do think it may run into stability issues. Plus some heat stress.
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@Tripitaka:
MEMORY 8GB (2x4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz
I need more RAM. This machine is partially for work, and I'm not using this hardware for serious gaming. Alienware appears to be Dell on the back-end, no wonder they have their act together. I think my mistake has been to assume that a name is the same thing as a brand experience.
If Commodore comes out with some third-party evaluations in the very near future, I will pay attention, but for a guy like me to be able to understand holes in their engineering is not a good sign.
Thanks for the replies!
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@Tripitaka:
MEMORY 8GB (2x4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz
I need more RAM. This machine is partially for work, and I'm not using this hardware for serious gaming. Alienware appears to be Dell on the back-end, no wonder they have their act together. I think my mistake has been to assume that a name is the same thing as a brand experience.
If Commodore comes out with some third-party evaluations in the very near future, I will pay attention, but for a guy like me to be able to understand holes in their engineering is not a good sign.
Thanks for the replies!
Then go to either:
http://www.crucial.com/
OR:
http://www.newegg.com/
and buy one of the super duper 16GB ram upgrades available for under 100 bucks with warranties of their own. Seriously - if an extra 8G of ram is making you spend a grand more for hardware, you need to spend some more time researching the field.
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Hey everyone!
I am that retard, apparently. Or nearly so!
It is refreshing to know that some users never change. So, two things:
1. I was willing to buy the system at $2500 USD
2. I am concerned about the power supply discussion
My post on the Commodore-amiga.org forum (based on what I learned from this thread on amiga.org) yielded this discussion:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/33-hardware-support/13746-amiga-mini-power-supply-gpu
I halted my purchase because half of my original post was not touched.
Wow, one person was willing to buy the Amiga Mini!
Just in the nick of time, they managed to lose the sale by ducking a legitimate question.
:roflmao:
@Dammy I'd sell your stock in CUSA
@vexar Don't feel to bad, they can't answer your question, because they haven't made one yet. Your only fortunate they didn't delete your post for daring to challenge them. Xerxes is probably facing a ban from the site for his heracy.
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Hi,
OK I take it back, I would rather buy an apple MAC to use MorphOS on then buy that overpriced piece of crap. The Mini Amiga even looks like an apple, Gawd, I think I am going to puke.
smerf
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I might have bought a bare bones PC compatible A1000 replica case/keyboard/mouse for the $345 or whatever they are asking, just to get that piece of nostalgia on my desk in daily use. But coming out with some case and innards that have nothing to do with an Amiga and selling it for that much ... yeah, good luck with *A* sale.
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Seriously - if an extra 8G of ram is making you spend a grand more for hardware, you need to spend some more time researching the field.
I tend to ask people I trust, and nobody has advised me to go and get this C= product. If you buy a computer once every four years, what is the point on staying up-to-date? Thanks for the links. Actually, I have a pile of RAM laying around, but it's all different speeds and what-not. I really should turn it over to the IT department, I have absolutely no use for it.
Wow, one person was willing to buy the Amiga Mini!
Just in the nick of time, they managed to lose the sale by ducking a legitimate question.
@vexar Don't feel to bad, they can't answer your question, because they haven't made one yet. Your only fortunate they didn't delete your post for daring to challenge them. Xerxes is probably facing a ban from the site for his heresy.
@Optimus, to be fair, they did say they "imagined" it would run Blu-Ray just fine. Couldn't be bothered to go and test basic hardware functionality, and they admitted it. See, in my job, we spend time analyzing both what was said and what was not said by an individual or organization. The CTO for my division would have answered something to the effect of:
"All our products are tested and guaranteed to operate according to specifications. We do not warranty the behavior of specific software products which are not part of Commodore OS Vision, however if you run into concerns with the hardware or our operating system, you may log a Technical Support Request."
It is a solid, powerful response. If I pried for testing data, I would have expected the response of:
"Our testing process is a proprietary operation of our business, and we do not disseminate this information to the public. Our work complies with regulations for our industry and records of our testing results are held by managing regulatory groups."
What I now know is that the CTO for Commodore had a rough week, he's angry about something, he can't filter himself, and he really hasn't tested the products very much, but was reckless enough to admit it. Can you imagine the CTO of Dell saying this sort of thing?
So, here's a fun thing to ask anyone with an existing Commodore USA system: was there a UL, CSA, and FCC sticker on the box somewhere? Those would be the organizations that would test the soundness of the hardware, dissolving my gripping concerns about power consumption.
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The only pic I have ever seen of the bottom of one of their products is this
(http://www.commodore-amiga.org/media/kunena/attachments/69/cusa21.jpg)
Note the complete system not tested. take what you will from that.