Natami

[mr_a500]

But trying to make it seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread... It ain't.

Sliced bread sucks.

The #1 problem with WinUAE is that it requires Windows.

[Crom00]

Natami is all about running and reliving the Amiga experience on NON PC, non emulated enviroment. It's about the excitement of the Amiga trademark fusion of software and hardware capabilites. It's that illusive "it just feels right" feeling of it all, but better, faster stronger...That's the kind of  Amiga experience I want to be connected to. A PC, or XBOX running emulation is great but this NAtami is a special thing.

[recidivist]

Natami is kind of a Super-mini-mig if one looks at it honestly.

No one can build a genuine ( Commodore) Amiga without violating some patent laws,and I thought the specs were even lost for the AAA chip.

But I applaud the Natamis for their  adherence to the original design philosophy that was Amiga.

I think the number of people willing to actually buy will be quite similar to the number of efika/minimig/SAM  buyers ; people who simply want something  as close to the original Amiga as possible,something different from the mainstream,and they have the spare money for a new cloak...errr. Amiga even if they have to eat soup every day for a month to pay for it.I want one.Time wil tell if it becomes available in my price range.

[amigadave]

The number of Natami sales will be entirely dependent upon how successful the implementation of duplicating a real Amiga and making it faster and better than the originals turns out to be.  I love the idea and want one when they are released, but it is not an easy task, as many of the naysayers have pointed out often.  There appears to be good progress being made on the hardware side, so I am hopeful that the developers boards will be ready soon.  The consumer version, if it ever sees the light of day, may still be a long way off into our future.

As for anyone making a profit from selling the Natami, it won't likely be the developers, as they have already put so many hundreds of hours into the project that have been dedicated for free, they are probably looking at making $5/hour, if they are very lucky.  The dealers, like AmigaKit, are the ones that will make a small profit from distributing the finished consumer product.  So, I have much admiration for the small team that is working on Natami.  It is the one Amiga project I would most like to see done well and completed.  A Classic type Amiga that could be made to run 2 to 5 times faster than the fastest 68060 Classic A4000's of the past would be a great thing to have.

[biggun]

Picture of the NATAMI LX mainboard PCB.

(Funnily my webbrowser does not show any buttons to add an image ...)

[cicero790]

OMG Congratulations. The Natami ppl pulled it off. Look at that picture. A brand new Amiga model. Fantastic work.

[biggun]

No, it has an FPGA which is emulating the Amiga chipset. As for "Amiga Spirit"... Sorry but that is something entirely intangible and means different things to different people.

For it to be considered "real hardware" it would have to be an ASIC.

Be careful with your definition!

By your definition 90% of the old AMIGA HW is not allowed to be called HW -
including the first AMIGA "Loraine".

Many original Commodore AMIGA developments used programmable logic.
Just look at the 3640,  this is the original 68040 CPU card of the A4000.
The original Commodore CPU card consists basically only of "programmable chips".

We all agree that the original Loraine, the Commodore CPU card, and the Cyberstorm - are real Hw, right?


Cheers

[biggun]

For example, look at the new 194x screen shot on the NATAMI website.


The new 194x game is much to demanding for UAE.
It could not run smooth on any PC with UAE. (At least any PC available today)

How much do you want to bet that it'd run quite happily on UAE with a suitable slab of silicon thrown at it?

A bet?
What a nice idea. :-)

I think I would bet up to 5,000 Euro (7400 USD).

So here is my proposal:
Let us agree on a sum and let is then both donate this amount of money to the AMIGA bounty project.


Bartek (the artist behind 194x) and myself only started the new version 2 weeks ago.
We will need probably two more-three month to get the game finished to a reasonable degree.
So lets say by the end of the year we can compare the game on NATAMI and on UAE.
Pressing "i" during the game does show frames/sec.

The party which scores the higher FPS will get their money back.
The looser's money will stay in the AMIGA bounty project fund.


How does this sound?
Its a fair bet where the AMIGA community will be always the winner.


Cheers

[the_leander]

Sliced bread sucks.

The #1 problem with WinUAE is that it requires Windows.

Fortunately I said UAE, not winUAE. Other then that I agree with you

[the_leander]

A bet?
What a nice idea. :-)

I think I would bet up to 5,000 Euro (7400 USD).

So here is my proposal:
Let us agree on a sum and let is then both donate this amount of money to the AMIGA bounty project.

Your proposal is a thinly veiled attempt to get me to donate to something I have no interest in.

Bartek (the artist behind 194x) and myself only started the new version 2 weeks ago.
We will need probably two more-three month to get the game finished to a reasonable degree.
So lets say by the end of the year we can compare the game on NATAMI and on UAE.
Pressing "i" during the game does show frames/sec.

The party which scores the higher FPS will get their money back.
The looser's money will stay in the AMIGA bounty project fund.

Right... So you want me to put in a donation and then potentially yank it. I'm sorry, but not even I am that much of a git.

But I'll be more then happy to run your game through UAE when the time comes.

RE the Lorraine: There was nothing programmable about the logic that made it up. Same too with the cyberstorm. Having a flash rom is not the same as having a completely programmable piece of hardware.

[biggun]

RE the Lorraine: There was nothing programmable about the logic that made it up. Same too with the cyberstorm. Having a flash rom is not the same as having a completely programmable piece of hardware.

On the Cyberstorm MK 1, there are about 15 GAL's.
So its full of programmable logic!


No offence: But could it be that you talk about things like HW and programmable chips, without understanding much about it?

Cheers

[Flashlab]

Your proposal is a thinly veiled attempt to get me to donate to something I have no interest in.

No, YOU asked for a bet and then Biggun takes you up on it. If you think the stakes are too high just admit that or do another proposal.

[the_leander]

On the Cyberstorm MK 1, there are about 15 GAL's.
So its full of programmable logic!

I wasn't aware of that.

GALs that would likely require being physically removed and reprogrammed in a PAL programmer is hardly the same as a whole system that was designed from the beginning to use and allow the upgrading in situ of programmable logic.

Attempting to compare a Cyberstorm accelerator with a (as near as damn it) pure fpga system like the Natami or Minimig in an attempt at avoiding key points?

More likely then you think!

No offence: But could it be that you talk about things like HW and programmable chips, without understanding much about it?

Could it be that you're wrong and that you couldn't help but condescend?

[the_leander]

No, YOU asked for a bet and then Biggun takes you up on it. If you think the stakes are too high just admit that or do another proposal.

I'm sorry, I'm being asked to dump thousands of euro (that I don't have) into a donation bucket.

Yes, the stakes are (ridiculously) high, but worse, it's asking me to put in a donation that I would then be morally bound to leave there.

Which is what I object to the most. Like I said - not even I am that much of a git that I would donate to something then yank the donation.

[Flashlab]

I'm sorry, I'm being asked to dump thousands of euro (that I don't have) into a donation bucket.

Yes, the stakes are (ridiculously) high, but worse, it's asking me to put in a donation that I would then be morally bound to leave there.

Which is what I object to the most. Like I said - not even I am that much of a git that I would donate to something then yank the donation.

Make a counterproposal then; when you win you get to donate the money to a cause you do like. Could even be yourself? Also you could propose a lower realistic amount?

It seems to me you're just backing out. You got scared when Biggun took you up on your own bet. You seemed so sure so why back out now?

To me it doesn't matter who wins, but IMHO it's lame to challenge someone and when he accepts, to back out.

[the_leander]

Make a counterproposal then; when you win you get to donate the money to a cause you do like. Could even be yourself? Also you could propose a lower realistic amount?

It seems to me you're just backing out. You got scared when Biggun took you up on your own bet. You seemed so sure so why back out now?

To me it doesn't matter who wins, but IMHO it's lame to challenge someone and when he accepts, to back out.

Hey, he brought money into this, not me. Scared? No. A bankrupt: Yes.

There's nothing to back out of - I'm not putting up money I DO NOT HAVE.

Counter proposal.... I'll give up smoking and donate what I save in smoking to a childrens charity.