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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #59 from previous page: April 24, 2018, 07:33:57 PM »
I think I stand by my earlier point. A single warp3d library replacement, pre compiled for a specific GPU/PCI/rtg combo is the only way to get past all the issues, technical and political. The source can and should be as modular as you like, but you need a fresh start implementation wise. A driver for warp3d on the classic just isn't likely to happen. As it stands, reimplementing the API in a totally separate project doesn't violate anything and already happened with wazp3d. Use OpenPCI to get around elbox's self destructive desire to crush any third party drivers and open source the whole thing.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2018, 10:57:18 PM »
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Yeah, I know.
Hope the AmigaOS diehards don't get offended by the jab.

And outside of OS development, the base of developers creating useful programs isn't bad.


My point was that Karlos is one of the AmigaOS developers Jim. Specifically GPU driver development and Warp3D.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2018, 12:13:57 AM »
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My point was that Karlos is one of the AmigaOS developers Jim. Specifically GPU driver development and Warp3D.


Was, more like. I got married and had kids since then...
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2018, 12:19:12 AM »
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Was, more like. I got married and had kids since then...


OH! So it's your wife's fault that there isn't an updated Radeon driver. Now I get it. :hammer:
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2018, 12:26:42 AM »
Toss in the fact that my A1 decided to join its departed siblings a few years ago now, then the HD on which all my development work died suddenly before I could back it up properly (and still remains to be recovered). Lots to repair and do, but the fact is I have far bigger and more important responsibilities these days.

One day, when the munchkins are a bit older I may get some time for my old hobby. Assuming any of my Amiga gear even works by then.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2018, 09:20:24 AM »
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Toss in the fact that my A1 decided to join its departed siblings a few years ago now, then the HD on which all my development work died suddenly before I could back it up properly (and still remains to be recovered). Lots to repair and do, but the fact is I have far bigger and more important responsibilities these days.

One day, when the munchkins are a bit older I may get some time for my old hobby. Assuming any of my Amiga gear even works by then.


The Frankentower will probably outlast all of us lol
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2018, 11:01:04 AM »
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then the HD on which all my development work died


This is why developers should use services like github etc.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2018, 12:03:48 PM »
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This is why developers should use services like github etc.

Yes, that's a perfectly dreadful lose.
But if its a mechanical drive you might be able to salvage the data.
 My last two loses? SSDs...no warning...done...toast.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2018, 02:04:41 PM »
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My last two loses? SSDs...no warning...done...toast.


What kind of SSD? I have only experienced that writing no longer work, but never had any trouble reading data from "dead" SSDs. It also helps if the filesystem is aware of the concept "SSD" and behaves accordingly :)
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2018, 03:04:21 PM »
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This is why developers should use services like github etc.


I was preparing to migrate my personal svn repo and also back up everything else both locally and where appropriate to cloud storage. There was zero warning of the HD failure, I nothing in smart, etc. In an epic example of irony, the day I'd set aside to do this was the exact same day I saw the Disk Boot Failure message.

I believe the drive controller board or firmware failed and as such it's recoverable. It's also expensive.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2018, 10:46:00 PM »
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What kind of SSD? I have only experienced that writing no longer work, but never had any trouble reading data from "dead" SSDs. It also helps if the filesystem is aware of the concept "SSD" and behaves accordingly :)


Well the latest issue is with an OWC drive I bought from AOTL.
Doesn't even bring up the drive parameters when connected.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2018, 03:05:07 AM »
Did you all decide how much money it would be to write or port ATI 9X00 drivers for Warp3d for 3.x for 68k and PPC?
 

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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2018, 05:08:53 AM »
@Karlos

If you need help covering the cost of recovery services for some important graphic driver source code I am sure some would help chip in. I would be happy making a modest donation.  Stupid cat just cost me big bucks at vet. :\
 

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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2018, 11:40:23 AM »
Everything I did on OS4 was at least in their version control repository. It was all my own stuff that I lost.
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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2018, 03:14:29 AM »
Well, I finally solve my problem with the Voodoo 3 and the Sonnet.  It was definitely the Voodoo 3.  I found an old crappy original celeron PC at a yard sale.  The computer didn't even have a AGP slot, but low and behold it had a pci voodoo in it.  But not just any voodoo, but a pci voodoo 4.  Well as you can imagine, I bought the PC, turned it on long enough to test the voodoo 4 and promptly put it in my A4000 where is it happily working with the sonnet
 

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Re: Warp3d Voodoo vs. Radeon ClassicOS
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2018, 07:38:47 PM »
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Well, I finally solve my problem with the Voodoo 3 and the Sonnet.  It was definitely the Voodoo 3.  I found an old crappy original celeron PC at a yard sale.  The computer didn't even have a AGP slot, but low and behold it had a pci voodoo in it.  But not just any voodoo, but a pci voodoo 4.  Well as you can imagine, I bought the PC, turned it on long enough to test the voodoo 4 and promptly put it in my A4000 where is it happily working with the sonnet

DAMN! I have been looking for one of those forever!
You are one lucky SOB!
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