News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[mikej]

You can pay for first class, like in a plane So But a free core in the 060 speed class is not bad, what other core can match that ??

You'll see..

[Djole]

@Chucky

If they listened to every chap out here they would never got this far. They have their plan and they work on it, accept it or dont. You keep on babbling about what you want or dont want, their success has shown what the most people want. You already have what you want, your old 060....  And you are constantly derailing this thread, none of your replies are on topic, that should be sanctioned, if you feel the need to force your opinion on Apollo core, there are other threads out there you could find that are more related.

[Plaz]

Clarification question...  the developer/base card core is "free", and at what speed? 040/50 like?

Can the purchaser of the card then buy upgraded cores for features/speed later?
This might let a card manufacture a low end and higher end option.
Locked card at one price, unlocked card at another.


And BTW, what is the moderation like around A.org these days? Seems the few topics I drop in on are often already on their way to spinning off-topic. But my visits are few.

Plaz

[Plaz]

Reading the translated pages now. Seems the answer to my questions are both "yes"

Plaz

[kolla]

I guess Gunnar feels "threatened" by all the cheap, open and available lowend cards that Terrible Fire and others have been making lately, they are "stealing his market share" so to speak. So now he wants in on that too. I recall him ranting along the lines of "only idiots make 030 designs" and using less flattering words to describe these efforts and the people involved. Well, but why go through the trouble of Apollo Core with licensing and contracts and unclear customer support, for users who 99% (his numbers) of the time just want to load old games with WHDLoad?

[Djole]

You'll see..

Mike, with all the respect, i think you said that before to me.... That was a while ago. A lot of people will be very impressed if you show us a better softcore then Apollo.

[Chucky]

If they listened to every chap out here they would never got this far. They have their plan and they work on it, accept it or dont. You keep on babbling about what you want or dont want, their success has shown what the most people want. You already have what you want, your old 060.... And you are constantly derailing this thread, none of your replies are on topic, that should be sanctioned, if you feel the need to force your opinion on Apollo core, there are other threads out there you could find that are more related.

NONE of topic?  this is very much ON topic.  and YES me and MANY OTHERS want our old 060s..  if I want a new machine. I take a PC..  I can get a laptop for the same price as a vampire that runs browsers 1000 times better, runs videos etc.  and actually runs UAE pretty damn decent.

this topic is to use a 080 core as a 060 CPU-replacement due to the shortage. When I try to say that sorry bit it isn't  many of us does not think it is good enough. (even if 080 is pretty awesome..  but hey again  new?  that laptop?)

IF it was 060 compatible then it would be a AWESOME idea that I would love to hop on etc.

I want to preserve my nostalgic machine.  and so is the most who wants the 060 and highend-machines. (not all! no!)

and this IS a reachout of highend users, then input from highendusers should be taken.

but as always. when saying "nah. this would be awesome" it is always taken way too damn personal..

at Amiga32 I told parts of the team: make it 060 and AGA 100% and the rest as RTG/AHI    I would LOVE it!  it would be the perfect solution for me and my Amiga-needs. (and many with me)

videos, browising .. well that I use my PC, phone etc.   Quake and doom is not interesting for me.


But vampire-people takes things way way WAY too personal..

[Djole]

@Kolla

You where in the frontline of FPU fighters, mentioning it in every needed and unneeded topic, ranting about it, demanding....now you have some other life goal ?

[mikej]

Mike, with all the respect, i think you said that before to me.... That was a while ago. A lot of people will be very impressed if you show us a better softcore then Apollo.

I've been busy making new hardware as well, it's coming.

[soviet]

This will be good received in the atari side of the force. I hear some people that where looking to license the core.

Owning a vampire i don't see al that compatibility issues that where mentioned on the thread.
Games from whdload run fine and most of the amiga sofware i have installed works, nothing different from my old (sold a long time ago) amiga 4000/060 and quite faster.

Yes the fpu emulation for now (running gold 2.5) is quite slow quake crawls for example.
But there no so much stuff that need an fpu, so theres no hurry for me to see this fixed.

[Chucky]

For me. incompabilities started from the beginning..  I have a 3.1 and 3.9 template with a lot of software installed.. working on 68000-68060 and ALL amigas..  but on Vampire.. it all failed.  had to do a some tweaks to get it boot and be stable.   And I brought it to the datastorm demoparty..  we checked it out.  and  "ok this is for checking sysinfo and doom" meehh  lets have some beers instead..

and there it is.  since that I haven't tried my Vampire..  oh yes I did try it on my Amy.. did not boot. but this is most likly not the vampires fault but some soldererror on the amy.

However..  it was not "compatible" for me. it did not behave like any amiga... so that's why I think it is not compatible.

and for me as demoscener: fpu is important for highend-demos.

[Djole]

@Chucky

It sounds like you dont know how to set it up and/or use it.... But this is not a Vampire help thread.


@topic

We will see if any other retro scene will take this offer and produce something useful.

[Chucky]

And there are ONE more issue here  and it is an important one:

You rely on ONE person..  as trhe core is closed..

if a bus runs over gunnar or so.   you are in a situation where you are screwed...


and at work being a consultant:  NEVER EVER put your stuff into something being dependent of one person.

[Chucky]

@Chucky

It sounds like you dont know how to set it up and/or use it.... But this is not a Vampire help thread.

if it was COMPATIBLE.. it should run!.. I solved it.  but it did not run directlty!  I needed to do changes.. so  NOT COMPATIBLE!  this system works on any machine with ANY motorola cpu.
(ok 3.9 boots but will have issues on 68000 and 68010 due to some libs are 020+)

[Djole]

@Chucky

I will start reporting all your off topic posts in this thread, so you know. You constantly try to derail the thread for some reason.

Your other 060 cards are open source ? Or even available Or ever been available for a600 and a500 ? You are making yourself ridiculous...

[Chucky]

HOW can you get this as OFF TOPIC!???

ok I have disagreements with the 080.. but OFF TOPIC??   HOW is it off topic?  please explain?

and yes.. my A3660 project is fully open. yes..  "%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty" card..  absolutley.. but still totaslly open..  just download the files. do the pcb.. do whatever you like with it