News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[Djole]

Fast translate from: http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63012


Hello,

Fast 68040 or 68060 CPUs are not to be found in quantities.
Therefore, it is difficult to build new 68060 cards.

The APOLLO team offers a number of very fast 68K maps -
but we think shared joy is a double joy.

We would therefore like to discuss the following suggestion:
To support hardware developers, we would like to make the following offer:

We offer hardware developers a
_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060
and is set to about 68040/68060 speed.

The core is FREE for hardware developers.
The core also contains the AMMX2 instruction set.
This means that software compatibility with vampire software such as new JPEG decoder, video player and some game ports remains.

The Core boots with over 100 Sysinfo MIPS and after some time down to 68040 @ 40/68060 @ 50 level.

The supported hardware cards are subject to some reasonable conditions. That means the FPGA has to be big enough to offer a complete, fully compatible core space. The cards must be intended for the general public. The offer is not valid for single pieces and Pershingraketen.


We are looking forward to your feedback.

Greetings
Gunnar

[Chucky]

this started a quite interesting talk on A1k.

and.. there was HW Desogners more or less telling that "nope not interested"

Thing is.. that there are many like me that are purists.  and 080 is not our cup of tea.

I got asked if I wanted to add this to the A3660.  answer is simply: NO

2 reasons:

1. there would be just stupid to add 080 to a 040/60 board with all busmastering etc.  better to do it from scratch
2. 080 is..   well nothing I want to support.. so not from me.

for those who like the 080.. it might be fun. yes.  but the support from hw designers seems so far very low.

(yah!  I might be wrong.. but I do not think so)

[Chucky]

but people have issues with missing MMU and the (so far) lacking of FPU

[kolla]

It's just a sign of desperation after no-one approached them... him... about licensing the core.

[kolla]

We offer hardware developers a
_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060

That is not how the word "compatible" works - unless you plan to build a board with both 68080 CORE and 68040/68060. :hammer:

[Djole]

but people have issues with missing MMU and the (so far) lacking of FPU

I dont see the point of your first post and the need to express your lack of interest, you are a HW designer ? FPU is not lacking its in the works and shown working, faster than any moto FPU. MMU is also there it has been stated 100 times, its just not compatible with old moto MMU....

[Chucky]

For me compatible means it acts like that cpu.  and 080 is not compatible as it doesn't act like 040 OR the 060..  it acts like a mashup of all 68k cpus.   but doesn't behave like any of them. And this is my biggest issue.

(and the fact it lacks both MMU and FPU so far)

[Chucky]

HW Designer-lite maybe  as I did "design" the A3660  PCB

[Chucky]

and noncompatible MMU  while it states it IS compatible with the 040/060?

Strange..  is it compoatible or not?

Anyway..  no MMU stuff means no debuggingtools  meaning programmers avoid it meaning no software maning: no use of the bells and whistles..


FPGA is nice..and I would love it.. IF 060..

[Djole]

Are you trying to boost your post count or something ? 3 posts for one answer ? BTW new debugging tools are also in the works.... strange you dont mention FPU anymore ?

[Chucky]

Well  so far FPU is emulated via software..  and I find that VERY ironic (as vampirepeople say it is more compatible not needing the 040/060 lib)

and no.. it is not about "boosting postcount" or so.. not at all actually..


And well I posted on the A1k thread about my opinion..  and I am not alone of retro-computing.

[Djole]

Well  so far FPU is emulated via software..  and I find that VERY ironic (as vampirepeople say it is more compatible not needing the 040/060 lib)

and no.. it is not about "boosting postcount" or so.. not at all actually..


And well I posted on the A1k thread about my opinion..  and I am not alone of retro-computing.

Check your facts again, Apollo core FPU in v2 Vampire is a mix of hw and sw, in v4 it should be full in hw an average user shouldnt worry about it anyway.... it should just work.

But anyway, good work on derailing another Vampire post.

[Chucky]

so far the FPU that is "hwbased" is only for vampireteam.. not for the public.

and it still relies on software.. meaning it is EXACTLTY as the 040/060 library.
so  if the 040/060 is nonocompatible due to this.  vampire IS with that exact same logic noncompatible.

And well.  as I told in the A1k thread:  for me as a demoscener. the 080 is as interesting as yesterdays newspaper..  as I have no interest whatsoever of AMMX and stuff..  I want 060..

so I would welcome a 060 FPGA core any day..  we need it as 060s are gettong harder to get (saying that as I got my next batch of 21 rev6 060s yesterday

[Chucky]

Trigger for me is:

"_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060 "

when it ISN'T!

It is maybe 68k-series compatible..  but it for sure is NOT 040/060 compatible.

as then it would have the FPU and MMU!..  it doesn't  

it might be 68EC040 and 68EC060 compatible.  but when I read 68040/060 I read the full deal    and this is important.

[Djole]

Trigger for me is:

"_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060 "

when it ISN'T!

It is maybe 68k-series compatible..  but it for sure is NOT 040/060 compatible.

as then it would have the FPU and MMU!..  it doesn't  

it might be 68EC040 and 68EC060 compatible.  but when I read 68040/060 I read the full deal    and this is important.

Its every time the same song.....