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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2011, 12:38:46 AM »
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I think Ben Hermans wants to sell you both hardware and operating system.


Ah gawd, after reading, it's like they're pissing in the wind. All people want is a mac mini AOS4 machine. Why they go through all this trouble I can't understand. Just a few drivers and install issues away from Valhalla, so frustrating.

"A. To be honest it’s a labour of love for some of the A-EON founders (mentioning no names), however we still believe there is a real demand for high-end Amiga computers."

WRONG. How about one that just works good, and then we can talk about uber machines later. Crawl, walk, run, last I checked, was the way to get somewhere.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2011, 12:51:02 AM »
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Ah gawd, after reading, it's like they're pissing in the wind. All people want is a mac mini AOS4 machine. Why they go through all this trouble I can't understand. Just a few drivers and install issues away from Valhalla, so frustrating.

"A. To be honest it’s a labour of love for some of the A-EON founders (mentioning no names), however we still believe there is a real demand for high-end Amiga computers."

WRONG. How about one that just works good, and then we can talk about uber machines later. Crawl, walk, run, last I checked, was the way to get somewhere.

How about a powerful LOW cost Amiga derivative. I'm with Steven on this. ARM boards cost under $200. Where's the NG OS for these?
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2011, 12:58:25 AM »
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WRONG. How about one that just works good, and then we can talk about uber machines later. Crawl, walk, run, last I checked, was the way to get somewhere.



Well they got the crawling part spot on with the sam ep ;)

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2011, 01:00:18 AM »
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Well they got the crawling part spot on with the sam ep ;)

Yeah, but that was already done with the Efika (at a much lower cost).
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2011, 01:15:38 AM »
"A demand" is actually about ten people. They are just wishful thinking that several hundred more people will pay that ridiculous price.
What is up with the delays? In everywhere else land products ship on time, 95% of the time.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2011, 01:21:05 AM »
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Yeah, but that was already done with the Efika (at a much lower cost).


Exactly. They are on some dark quest, it will all end in tears I'm afraid. I was reading the court exhibts, stuff in there about the mini, they were trying to go there at one point "to allows us to open up new markets"...
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2011, 09:30:44 AM »
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Ah gawd, after reading, it's like they're pissing in the wind. All people want is a mac mini AOS4 machine. Why they go through all this trouble I can't understand. Just a few drivers and install issues away from Valhalla, so frustrating.
Well, there is a good alternative OS for the Mac mini available - it's calles MorphOS. IMHO way better than OS4. Okay, OS4's everyday usability is catching up since Fab helps to port his OWB browser to OS4. But why waiting for the wannabe, when you can use the original?
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2011, 10:35:02 AM »
Breaking news - hardware for AmigaOS is expensive! :O
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2011, 11:02:04 AM »
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Breaking news - hardware for AmigaOS is expensive! :O

Heh... I was thinking low cost of entry was one the things that originally attracted me to the amiga, of course you also had options if you wanted more. But then it wasn't AmigaOS back then.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2011, 11:46:05 AM »
ive bought mine first (600er) in 90 or 91 after few years of complete computer abstinence (except for a speccy i had) and remembering a great rush when amiga come out. in poland 1985 it was of course beyond a dream for practically everybody, and here ive got one for a bargain price equivalent of maybe 150eur today. i had a little money left but i could not resist, a pc was much more an investment.. so yes, it was still a very good entry level that kept me loyal to amiga for years to come, despite its all misfortune.
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2011, 11:56:02 AM »
Sam460EX is a way to give new HW (instead of clunky old one) to the AmigaOS, Altivec isn't used in Amiga software at the moment (with the sole exeption of mplayer) so it's basically irrelevant.
What's more to like is the faster memory interface, and the chance of going beyond PCI or AGP old-coot GFX cards (and yes new 3D subsystem and drivers to support all this are coming).

The whole project is very cool for AmigaOS aficionados, if you prefer something else go buy it, nobody will stop you ;-)

Ah! And to those who believe they have a better idea, go do it, you will learn the difference between talking in forums and actually bringing a real product to market.
Then if it's truly better people will buy it, so more power to you ;-)
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2011, 12:08:43 PM »
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Breaking news - hardware for AmigaOS is expensive! :O



HW for classics is expensive, this is just silly ;)
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2011, 12:13:41 PM »
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Altivec isn't used in Amiga software at the moment


Amiga programmers can't use it? It is not a rocket science, really. Or maybe they are limited to porting Linux programs, which concentrate on x86 and nobody cares about AltiVec there?

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2011, 12:15:16 PM »
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Altivec isn't used in Amiga software at the moment (with the sole exeption of mplayer) so it's basically irrelevant.

Yes it is unfortunate indeed. AltiVec can be used everywhere. It gives most benefit when it's actually used by the OS components, like in MorphOS. All applications using the OS features benefit automatically.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2011, 12:16:19 PM »
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How about a powerful LOW cost Amiga derivative. I'm with Steven on this. ARM boards cost under $200. Where's the NG OS for these?

A decently powerful(with all the drivers) low cost Amiga derivative can be bought from iMica(edit: AresOne is also very cheap).
But if you do not like x86, AROS ARM port is also underway.
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 27, 2011, 12:20:40 PM »
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Ah! And to those who believe they have a better idea, go do it, you will learn the difference between talking in forums and actually bringing a real product to market.

I did. See here: http://www.morphos-team.net/news.html