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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: Desolator on November 13, 2002, 01:45:50 PM
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I'm doing an article on AmigaXL and Amitlhon for my website so I wonder if you people who runs it could answer some questions here, i'd me most happy. :-D
What do you use it for? :) Give me some examples of programs you run, why you run them and the speed of your computers. Pro's and con's with the emulatoed enviroment vs the real amiga. :)
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@Desolator
If you're doing a hands-on evaluation it would definitely be helpful to understand how the solution works, the system requirements and level of compatibility.
With all the glowing user feedback I keep wondering why Bernie hasn't been retained to help write the native x86 version of the OS. According to the powers that be this is only 12 months away. :-D
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Amithlon is brilliant, i use it daily, truly is the Amiga King of Kings.
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What can you really do with Amithlon? What's the difference between Amithlon and Amiga XL? Is is true the native support of AHI? Can it be used for example as a workstation to run DigiBooster?.
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I only borrowed someone else's systems during a convention to show ImageFX. at that time it worked great and made me wish I had one.
but AMithlon is no longer for sale and I'm looking into WinUae on a windows2000k/linux duel boot system.
when I get that running, i'll let you know how it goes.
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I use it to impress people at school by running it on my laptop, dno't actually run anything on it tho.. no drivers for my wlan card that I'm aware of so it's pretty useless to me. But it does give me a lot of attention.
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hah! Amithlon = dates!!!!!
I guess it's cheaper than being a rock star! :-o
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"but AMithlon is no longer for sale and I'm looking into WinUae on a windows2000k"....
Sure AMITHLON is no longer for sale?
Power Computing (www.powerc.com) still has it in its products catalogue and I managed to buy AMITHLON/Amiga XL full package from them last summer. It's a failry expensive product but it's definitely worth the money.
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Sure AMITHLON is no longer for sale?
Power Computing (www.powerc.com) still has it in its products catalogue and I managed to buy AMITHLON/Amiga XL full package from them last summer. It's a failry expensive product but it's definitely worth the money.
Yeah, but as I understand it, no money has actually made it's way to Amiga or Amithlon's authors... They are essentially selling pirated copies. Hence dropping that much cash is essentially the same (or worse!) than pulling it pulling off your favorite free market we can't discuss here. ;-)
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Sure, Amithlon/XL's all cool and stuff, but what about OS 4/AmigaOne?
Are Amithlon/XL users gonna keep on using OS 3.9 when OS 4's available? Are developers gonna bother supporting OS 3.9 and/or Amithlon/XL for these people?
If you're seriously planning on using Amithlon/XL for the foreseeable future, then you can't possibly care about the Amiga's future.
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@illwrath
AFAIK Bernie (and Harald for sure) did and does get his money, while
the whole situation between H&P and AInc is completly unclear.
And yes I do know Bill's statement, but I see no reason why I should
trust him more (or less) than Mr Haage on this subject.
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If you're seriously planning on using Amithlon/XL for the foreseeable future, then you can't possibly care about the Amiga's future.
Yes i plan to continue to run Amithlon for as long as need it, I would not touch the AmigaONE or the Pegasus with a barge pole so yes i do not care about amigas future, i care ONLY about my computing needs,
I remember the days when people used to buy amiga stuff because they wanted to not all this "We must buy something we dont want just to support amiga companies".
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sorry :-(
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"Yeah, but as I understand it, no money has actually made it's way to Amiga or Amithlon's authors"
I know there have been some legal issues between H&P, AmigaInc etc. regarding copyrights on AMITHLON but when I bought it I wasn't yet aware of that and the reason why I bought it was that I really needed it, that is I needed to run all my AMIGA software on a faster machine and, apart from WinUAE that I also have, AMITHLON was what I really needed. I obviously regret the fact that my money has not gone to the right people, but this is not my problem. If I had been able to buy it from the authors I would have done that without exitation as I fully support copyrights and legal issues as a matter of facts. They should have sorted their problems out in the first place. And, more importantly, because I can't wait for their legal problems(issues being sorted out.
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@JoNty
If you're seriously planning on using Amithlon/XL for the foreseeable future, then you can't possibly care about the Amiga's future.
I'm 99.99999% sure that if Bernie would be allowed to continue
Amithlon in every way he wants and is capable off then it would
have far more future than AOS4 and MOS together.
But it should be clear by now, that this won't happen :-x
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Balti wrote:
@illwrath
AFAIK Bernie (and Harald for sure) did and does get his money, while the whole situation between H&P and AInc is completly unclear.
And yes I do know Bill's statement, but I see no reason why I should trust him more (or less) than Mr Haage on this subject.
Leaving aside no less than three licenses/contracts that are under dispute in the current AmigaOS XL package (Amiga Inc's IP, Bernie's IP and AmiTCP), this still leaves one issue on which H&P are in blatant breach of license: The AmigaXL GPL license.
The AmigaXL executable was supposed to be released under the GPL, but none of the source distributions H&P have put out (three so far) have actually matched the executable. Since they were given plenty of time to comply with the GPL, and were asked repeatedly to do so without success, their license contract was terminated in accordance to the GPL by the copyright holder. This means that aside from any other problems, any copies of AmigaXL that are now being distributed are actually illegal.
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@Balti
I'm 99.99999% sure that if Bernie would be allowed to continue Amithlon in every way he wants and is capable off then it would have far more future than AOS4 and MOS together.
A controversial opinion, but one which I share.
But it should be clear by now, that this won't happen
As I write, I'm 99.99999% sure you're right. We'll know very soon how this is going to end.
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I'm 99.99999% sure that if Bernie would be allowed to continue Amithlon in every way he wants and is capable off then it would have far more future than AOS4 and MOS together.
It would have a market maybe, but not a future. The two are not the same.
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It would have a market maybe, but not a future. The two are not the same.
You spoke to the folks at Amiga Inc and they told you this, right?
Actually, you haven't spoken to anybody and you're just spouting your usual hate-filled ignorant claptrap.
(hint: I have spoken to people at Amiga Inc, and their plans for it are far more extensive than your puny mind would be prepared to accept.)
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@bhoggett
"I have spoken to people at Amiga Inc, and their plans for it are far more extensive than your puny mind would be prepared to accept"
Ok Bill, spill the beans! :-D
Wait, let me guess... you could tell us, but then you'd have to kill us? Argh.
Can you at least tell us if these plans are still in the works and if they are encouraging to both Bernie and the community?
You mentioned previously that there was a high degree of certainty that Amithlon was a dead issue but under Amiga's direction wouldn't it be viable in a new form as either an emulator or the basis of an x86 version of the OS?
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@ne_one
Ok Bill, spill the beans! :-D
Wait, let me guess... you could tell us, but then you'd have to kill us? Argh.
Well, yes. :-)
Can you at least tell us if these plans are still in the works and if they are encouraging to both Bernie and the community?
The plans are dependent on Bernie releasing his product. If that happens then yes, the plans - or at least those I know about - are encouraging to most people, though there will be those who would choke on their cornflakes if they were to be told about them now.
You mentioned previously that there was a high degree of certainty that Amithlon was a dead issue but under Amiga's direction wouldn't it be viable in a new form as either an emulator or the basis of an x86 version of the OS?
The problem is simply that if Bernie decides he's had enough the project is dead in the water. The viability is not in question, and never was. Even without Amiga Inc's plans viabilty was very good, and it would have attracted more users and made more money than AOS4 and MOS put together. With the plans I heard about it would have been even better, but the fact is that Bernie staying in the market is now a very unlikely scenario. We'll know shortly.
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"The problem is simply that if Bernie decides he's had enough the project is dead in the water."
Couldn't someone else or even a group of old Amiga veterans take over the project (and hopefully manage to get the licenses and things that is needed.) if he decides he's had enough? There must be some people that has the talent to continue this great product. (Amiga.Inc.. nah, but that would be great. ;)
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"Yes i plan to continue to run Amithlon for as long as need it, I would not touch the AmigaONE or the Pegasus with a barge pole so yes i do not care about amigas future, i care ONLY about my computing needs,"
You might aswell just use a PC.
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"I'm 99.99999% sure that if Bernie would be allowed to continue
Amithlon in every way he wants and is capable off then it would
have far more future than AOS4 and MOS together.
But it should be clear by now, that this won't happen"
You're probably right, but you're right with one thing, it's not gonna happen.
Amithlon/XL has no future. No REAL future.
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"Amithlon/XL has no future. No REAL future."
Erm, you really have to be more openminded. This is the exact phrase people used for the Amiga computer when Commodore crashed, and there are still lots of people using the Amiga today, isn't it?
The point is, that even if You don't have any use for Amithlon/XL, then others has. People still run C64 programs and THAT would have no future one might think.
(and this is not meant as a personal attack. :) Just want you to see that things have a future even if it doesn't seem like it at the first glance.)
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[color=3300FF]I'M GONNA GET MY DAD ONTO YOU![/color][/b] :)
What can I say? I'm pro AmigaOne/OS 4. I have absolutely nothing against emulation, but I just can't see how people can use Amithlon/XL and say they support the Amiga at the same time, and there are some who claim they do.
Fair enough. If you're waiting for the AmigaOne/OS 4, then by all means use Amithlon/XL, but those who really love Amithlon/XL and STILL feel like the Amiga owes them something should shut up, wake up and realise they're gonna be left in the dust.
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hehe, I better watch out. :) *installs AmigaOS Dad-Firewall 3.9*
I guess the majority of Amithlon/XL users want OS4 to come to the x86...well...I wouldn't keep my hopes up until atleast OS5.
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That really should of been "Wake up, shut up", unless Amithlon/XL users speak in their sleep. :)
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@Desolator
Couldn't someone else or even a group of old Amiga veterans take over the project (and hopefully manage to get the licenses and things that is needed.) if he decides he's had enough? There must be some people that has the talent to continue this great product. (Amiga.Inc.. nah, but that would be great. ;)
I don't see that happening. Bernie would be mothballing the project, not abandoning it. So you'd not only need to get together enough skilled people to understand his work and take it forward, but you'd also need to find the funding to buy his IP off him. Considering the way he's been treated, he might not be too keen on selling, specially as legal action would follow his departure.
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You might aswell just use a PC.
I assume your refering to Windows, then yes i use Windows and Amithlon (dual boot) which does all my needs (amiga software and windows software) which is a good way to get the best of both worlds, i do not want anymore amiga hardware full stop,
You keep going on about support but where do you draw the line? if i use a amiga emulator and buy software then thats enough for me, i dont need to buy silly priced hardware and own OS4 to become a member of "Amiga supporters of the world", many sensible users buy what they want/need, no one in the right mind is going to buy something just on the terms "Look at me i have supported amiga",
why dont we all buy new monitors,speakers,cd players, dvd players, walkmans, tvs,videos and other stuff just to support the makers.
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@JoNty
What can I say? I'm pro AmigaOne/OS 4. I have absolutely nothing against emulation, but I just can't see how people can use Amithlon/XL and say they support the Amiga at the same time, and there are some who claim they do.
Who's to say that your vision of what Amiga should be is also their vision?
The truth is that many people who say they are supporting the Amiga are in fact just supporting what *they* want, without caring a fig what Amiga might want.
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What has pro-OS4/AOne have to do with being anti-amithlon. Then
again, what does EMULATION have to do with Amithlon? What bits of
Linux that exists are HEAVILY modified, most of the emulation is in
the form of a 68k emulator (which, guess what? AOS 4 will have 68k
emulation... So, that makes AmigaOS4 nothing but a fancy PPC based
Amiga EMULATOR!!!)
Most of Amithlon is not emulation. Yes, there are bits that are
emulated; however, Amithlon more closely related to Draco than to UAE.
Amithlon users ARE amigans, because they buy the software to run on
it. Most Amithlon users also have real Amigas. I have (and use) a
towered A1200 with a mediator and a Voodoo3 as well as amithlon. I
bet most other Amithlon users have an Amiga they use as well. The
only things that don't run on amithlon are programs requiring the
chipset (i.e. games and video stuff).
The legality of AmigaOS XL is a whole other matter. I find it hard to
point my finger in one direction or another. We are in the Amiga
community, and, therefore, we can't have a good product unless it's
surrounded by mystery, intrigue, back-stabbing, questionable business
tactics, or any number of other things. I say if you want it, buy it.
In theory, the publisher is at fault if there are legal issues.
However, be mindful that if you do that Bernie/Amiga may release a new
version sometime in the future. (Although, I do hear it will be a lot
less expensive--but minus some goodies).
The original topic-->I use my Amithlon for software development,
browsing the web, email, writing, and most of my computer needs. I
have not, however, been able to use ppaint/dpaint's animation stuff.
Targhan
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If you're seriously planning on using Amithlon/XL for the foreseeable future, then you can't possibly care about the Amiga's future.
That's Bullshit! Perhaps some just can't AFFORD the Amiga's future??? But to say they users of Amithlon/WinUAE don't care about the Amiga's future is stupid.
Personally, I prefer WinUAE over Amithlon simply because it runs along side WindowsXP. I like that. I use my setup for software development. I use my favorite text editor which happens to be TextPad for WinXP and compile using SAS/C on the Amiga. Since I run WinUAE in windowed mode I can switch between the two very easily! I find my setup gives me the best of both worlds, plus it's cheap!
- Mike
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@bhoggett
"The plans are dependent on Bernie releasing his product. If that happens then yes, the plans - or at least those I know about - are encouraging to most people, though there will be those who would choke on their cornflakes if they were to be told about them now."
Hmm... is there any reason why Bernie couldn't avoid all the Amithlon issues and pursue this opportunity separately or are they intertwined somehow?
"Even without Amiga Inc's plans viabilty was very good, and it would have attracted more users and made more money than AOS4 and MOS put together. With the plans I heard about it would have been even better"
Throw us a frickin' bone here mang! ;-) I really can't imagine anything other than a native x86 version of the OS being viable and able to attract more users.
Say it! lol
"but the fact is that Bernie staying in the market is now a very unlikely scenario"
Still the same old legal obstacles? Or does he just need a group hug?! 8-)
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"But to say they users of Amithlon/WinUAE don't care about the Amiga's future is stupid."
That's right. I didn't say that though, did I.
God I love winding people up. :)
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"AOS 4 will have 68k
emulation... So, that makes AmigaOS4 nothing but a fancy PPC based
Amiga EMULATOR!!!"
That's why I don't have anything against emulation. :)
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"Thats why I don't have anything against emulation!"
Heh, yeah! Who all likes MAME, raise your hands!! 8-) Don't forget
the gameboy, genesis, and nintendo emulators ;-)
Targhan
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You spoke to the folks at Amiga Inc and they told you this, right?
Er...no. Common sense and an education in computing and commerce told me this. I don't mean to sound superior or anything...but can you say as much?
Actually, you haven't spoken to anybody and you're just spouting your usual hate-filled ignorant claptrap.
* PARANOIA ALERT *
If you think that's hate-speech, you either live in some Utopia I've never seen, or you have a REAL problem.
As for ignorance, the only ignorance is believing that anyone, user or developer, actually takes any emulated system seriously. They don't. In my years of computer experience this has become glaringly obvious. And to prove my point, C includes have been available for native x86 Amithlon for quite a while now...where are all these apps?
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@ne_one
Hmm... is there any reason why Bernie couldn't avoid all the Amithlon issues and pursue this opportunity separately or are they intertwined somehow?
The issues are not the major problem. The hassle surrounding them is another matter.
Throw us a frickin' bone here mang! ;-) I really can't imagine anything other than a native x86 version of the OS being viable and able to attract more users.
Say it! lol
To quote Hyperion "there will be no AmigaOS4 for x86".
I'm tempted to say more, but I won't.
Still the same old legal obstacles? Or does he just need a group hug?! 8-)
If only it was that easy. The trouble is that when you get "stalked" by people set to abuse you, including mid-night telephone calls, when your health and relationships start to suffer badly, you think twice if it's all worth it, specially when in a market where material gains are pretty minimal anyway.
Basically, there's a level of abuse which is too much for anyone, and some people in the Amiga market have no limits when it comes to using such tactics.
Until the market cleans up the corruption that pervades it from top to bottom, it will keep losing the best talent until all that's left are the crooks and charlatans.
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I do own the Amithlon/XL suite but I must admit I often use WinUAE more than I use Amithlon. Primarily because I own a GeForce4 TI/4200 and most video modes are unsupported. Not to mention the fact that my ethernet card is not supported and fails to function correctly.
All in all the latest version of WinUAE is much more easily configured. I will look at Amithlon2 when it is released.
I use my amiga emulation software to do development on the Amiga and since my A3000 doesn't have enough RAM (and RAM is hard to come by for total ammounts greater than 16MB).
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@bhoggett
"To quote Hyperion 'there will be no AmigaOS4 for x86'."
Ah yes... meaning: Hyperion will not be the principals behind an x86 version of OS4.0. After all, these lads are rather pooped after working so tirelessly on porting and extending the PPC version. But... that doesn't mean it won't happen. 8-)
"I'm tempted to say more, but I won't."
Well aren't you a silly bugger! :-P C'mon tell us that Amiga would like to use Bernie's technology as the basis of an x86 solution. We dare ya! ;-)
"Until the market cleans up the corruption that pervades it from top to bottom, it will keep losing the best talent until all that's left are the crooks and charlatans."
That is indeed a shame. We all deserve better, including Bernie.
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PPC all the way, baby!
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@ne_one
Ah yes... meaning: Hyperion will not be the principals behind an x86 version of OS4.0. After all, these lads are rather pooped after working so tirelessly on porting and extending the PPC version. But... that doesn't mean it won't happen.
It won't happen as long as Hyperion control the source code and the contracts. In order for it to happen, Amiga Inc would have to buy back the rights and the find someone to do the work. I wouldn't hold my breath...
C'mon tell us that Amiga would like to use Bernie's technology as the basis of an x86 solution. We dare ya!
Well, in the long term their x86 solution is supposed to be the mythical OS5 - although I suspect my kids will have grandchildren of their own before that becomes reality, and I don't even have any yet.
In the short term, sure they want to base a number of x86 products on Bernie's work, and they want to make it easy for developers doing OS4 software to port it to Am*thlon 2 so that they can aim at a bigger market overall. Yes, certain things have been proposed and certain people have agreed to co-operate in principle, but nothing's going to happen unless Bernie feels he's clear of the c##p and free to release his product without his life being ripped apart. There's no point going into details if doing so will merely serve to stir up controversy.
I'll only say this: If the new version is released, it will have a promising future for at least as long as AOS4 can be said to have a future. And yes, I do mean a future, despite the rantings of our resident scots troll.
That is indeed a shame. We all deserve better, including Bernie.
Yes, we do, but the people at the top are too afraid to get heavy with anyone in case their own transgressions get aired as retaliation, and the little folk are so desperate to keep the illusion of an active market that they make excuses for the transgressors instead of going after them with pitchforks. The result is that the Amiga market becomes more like a cesspit every year.
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That is indeed a shame. We all deserve better, including Bernie.
Yes correct, Bernie deserves some respect from the so called Amiga community but hell no, Bernie did nothing wrong and gets treated like dirt then Elbox does some evil stuff and gets treated like they are amiga champions, something is definitely wrong somewhere.
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"The trouble is that when you get "stalked" by people set to abuse you, including mid-night telephone calls, when your health and relationships start to suffer badly, you think twice if it's all worth it"
Argh, this makes me som angry! Here a nice person constructs a wonderful product that lots of people have need for, and some people just can't have it that way. I for sure stand on bernies side here, he shouldn't have it this way, he deserve so much more.
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@bhoggett
"It won't happen as long as Hyperion control the source code and the contracts. In order for it to happen, Amiga Inc would have to buy back the rights and the find someone to do the work. I wouldn't hold my breath..."
Eek... you mean the OS4 development is completely closed?
"Well, in the long term their x86 solution is supposed to be the mythical OS5 - although I suspect my kids will have grandchildren of their own before that becomes reality"
You are a dour one aren't you? ;-)
"but nothing's going to happen unless Bernie feels he's clear of the c##p and free to release his product without his life being ripped apart"
Who exactly is holding Amithlon up anyway? Or at least, which components of the technology are in question?
"There's no point going into details if doing so will merely serve to stir up controversy."
True. But you're welcome to provide vaguely disguised hints of what you think would be viable. :-D
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@ne_one
Eek... you mean the OS4 development is completely closed?
Effectively yes, though you could mention some exceptions like Olaf's Roadshow TCP/IP stack. Other stuff, however, is excusively licensed to AmigaOS4, and Hyperion hold those contracts, not Amiga Inc.
You are a dour one aren't you?
When it comes to talk about OS5, yes. I have absolutely no confidence in their ability to deliver at all, never mind according to their laughable schedule.
Who exactly is holding Amithlon up anyway?
That one's easy: Haage & Partner and Harald Frank.
Or at least, which components of the technology are in question?
The original delay was about the P96 license. However, political and legal games have now made that issue almost irrelevant.
True. But you're welcome to provide vaguely disguised hints of what you think would be viable.
"Something in-between".
Make of that what you will. :-P
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@bhoggett
"Effectively yes, though you could mention some exceptions like Olaf's Roadshow TCP/IP stack. Other stuff, however, is excusively licensed to AmigaOS4, and Hyperion hold those contracts, not Amiga Inc."
Interesting. It's now quite obvious that interest in the classic OS was an afterthought. One really has to wonder how OS5 could evolve without using OS4 as the foundation.
"That one's easy: Haage & Partner and Harald Frank."
So we can likely infer from this that the issue is not concerning Bernie and H&P but rather Amiga and H&P?
"'Something in-between'. Make of that what you will."
Hmm... a microwave that plays Planet Zed? :-P
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With all the glowing user feedback I keep wondering why Bernie hasn't been retained to help write the native x86 version of the OS. According to the powers that be this is only 12 months away.
Bullshit! There is no x86 version of AmigaOS in development.
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@ne_one
Interesting. It's now quite obvious that interest in the classic OS was an afterthought. One really has to wonder how OS5 could evolve without using OS4 as the foundation.
Don't ask me. I've no idea. As far as I can tell, the whole "project" is completely rudderless, heading wherever the prevailing wind gets to push it.
So we can likely infer from this that the issue is not concerning Bernie and H&P but rather Amiga and H&P?
No, that would be wrong. The dispute between H&P and Amiga Inc is a side issue.
Hmm... a microwave that plays Planet Zed?
Yea! How did you know? :-o
(only joking. Thendic have got the rights to that one first!)
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@Bill
This was probably asked before, but is it out of the question to do a PPC emulator for x86, and allow OS4 to be run the same way OS3 is run with Amithlon?
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I've seen this mentioned a number of times so I'm now curious: how exactly can you create x86-native versions of Amiga applications? Or am I misreading the claims of programs like fxPaint?
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@ruben
This was probably asked before, but is it out of the question to do a PPC emulator for x86, and allow OS4 to be run the same way OS3 is run with Amithlon?
Yes, this has been raised before, ever since Amithlon was first released as it happens. The short answer is no, it's not going to happen because it's not viable. The reasons are technical, financial and probably political too. Careful scrutiny of the Amithlon mailing list will probably reveal a number of threads on this subject and Bernie's assessment of the situation.
@ne_one
I've seen this mentioned a number of times so I'm now curious: how exactly can you create x86-native versions of Amiga applications? Or am I misreading the claims of programs like fxPaint?
No, you're not misreading them. AFAIK, IOspirit are the only company so far to take advantage of this feature in commercial applications (fxScan and fxPaint). Then again, there haven't been that many commercial AmigaOS applications released in the last 12 months anyway - I guess everyone is waiting for AOS4.
Amithlon can run x86 ELF binaries. This is technically one of the nicest parts of Amithlon, because it works really well. There are basically two ways of doing this:
(a) you can produce code on Linux and then compile it to an x86 ELF object, then use a 68k AmigaOS program to call the x86 functions. Examples of how this is done are on the CD, including all needed headers etc. This is also how MagicMenu added Amithlon support in v2.34.
(b) you can use the GCC cross compiler in x86 Linux (by Martin Blom) or in 68k AmigaOS (Jens Langner) to compile the programs to x86 code rather than 68k code. Endian issues are handled automatically. To run these, you either supply the program name as an argument to a loader program called run_elf, or better still, use run_elf to patch the system so that the x86 programs are run transparently. You can make calls from the x86 program to 68k library functions as normal. I've been able to recompile some simple examples of 68k code from the RKMs to x86 without changing anything at all, and then ran them successfully.
Basically, if your code compiles with GCC, it's not a tricky task. If it's SAS/C or DICE etc, then it needs to be converted to compile with GCC first, which can be messy.
DISCLAIMER: I've REALLY oversimplified what happens above, but I don't think this forum is the best place for details. There's an Amithlon developer list at this URL (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlondev) which, although extremely quiet lately, would be the best place for such questions. Suffice to say that "yes, Amithlon does run x86 code transparently from AmigaOS".
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@bhoggett
"Amithlon can run x86 ELF binaries. This is technically one of the nicest parts of Amithlon, because it works really well."
Excellent summary for the uninitiated like myself.
I'll have to dig deeper, but one quick question comes to mind: is the ELF binary format supported on other platforms as well? ie. can you generate ELF binaries under x86 and then run them on 68k or PPC platforms?
Another architectural question also intrigues me. As I understand it, Amithlon uses the Linux kernal for bootstrapping and for system/process management. Is only the kernal employed or is X-11 utilitized for rendering?
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@ne_one
".elf" is just a common format for storing binaries which are
still x86,PPC or even 68k.
But since most of that stuff is done with gcc, it should be just
a matter of 3 compiler-runs instead of 1.
No X11 is used, but (accelerated) framebuffer-drivers in the kernel.